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[Guest guest]

I say find another doctor.

My younger newphew was allergic to dairy and it caused circles under his eyesm

sinus infections but the first doc he had only prescribed antibiotics and never

looked for the cause.

Donna

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Steph <mrswalp29

 

Mon, 20 Aug 2007 04:00:02

To:vegetarian group

underweight children

 

 

Hi gang,

I wrote a while back about my 11 year old son who needed to gain some weight

well he has lost another 3 pounds and I am frazzled over here. The doctor wanted

him on ensure but it is costly and I am trying to avoid too much dairy since we

do eat a ton of cheese. I fry his eggs in veggie butter, cook with olive oil and

even drizzle a little extra on his pasta, I give him peanut butter but his

appetite is not there. I mean he eats well but sometimes he doesn't eat his

whole sandwich. I am at a loss I know he said he was bored with PB & J so I have

been making the Tuno sandwiches, Fake Bacon BLT's and trying to have a variety.

I also make him muffins to snack on. So the calories are there but he is not

taking them. He is extremely active. I also noticed he is the shortest in the

class heck there are younger children bigger then him so I have some concerns. I

don't know between the dark circles under his eyes and this I am overwhelmed.

The biggest problem I see is the doctor

doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or allergies so I am

always worried about him.

Steph

 

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[Guest guest]

Oh and a slender child doesn't mean a sick child. I was a twig until I was 30 .

and ate like 2 big men. I still eat a lot and I'm hyper but I gained over the

years. I test those rivets on my jeans daily lol. Donna

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akfral

 

Mon, 20 Aug 2007 07:23:17

 

Re: underweight children

 

 

 

In a message dated 8/20/2007 7:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mrswalp29 (AT) (DOT) <mrswalp29%40> com writes:

 

The biggest problem I see is the doctor

doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or allergies so I

am always worried about him.

 

Steph, hugs to you and your family. Worrying about our children is the worst

kind of fear.

Having read your post twice, especially the above line, I'd find a new doc.

One who will listen to the whole picture. Deficiencies and allergies could be

the cause of most of the problems. Do you have good health insurance? Amy

 

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In a message dated 8/20/2007 7:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mrswalp29 writes:

 

The biggest problem I see is the doctor

doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or allergies so I

am always worried about him.

 

 

 

Steph, hugs to you and your family. Worrying about our children is the worst

kind of fear.

Having read your post twice, especially the above line, I'd find a new doc.

One who will listen to the whole picture. Deficiencies and allergies could be

the cause of most of the problems. Do you have good health insurance? Amy

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi gang,

I wrote a while back about my 11 year old son who needed to gain some weight

well he has lost another 3 pounds and I am frazzled over here. The doctor wanted

him on ensure but it is costly and I am trying to avoid too much dairy since we

do eat a ton of cheese. I fry his eggs in veggie butter, cook with olive oil and

even drizzle a little extra on his pasta, I give him peanut butter but his

appetite is not there. I mean he eats well but sometimes he doesn't eat his

whole sandwich. I am at a loss I know he said he was bored with PB & J so I have

been making the Tuno sandwiches, Fake Bacon BLT's and trying to have a variety.

I also make him muffins to snack on. So the calories are there but he is not

taking them. He is extremely active. I also noticed he is the shortest in the

class heck there are younger children bigger then him so I have some concerns. I

don't know between the dark circles under his eyes and this I am overwhelmed.

The biggest problem I see is the doctor

doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or allergies so I am

always worried about him.

Steph

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Just make sure he is getting enough protein, calcium and a good whole foods

sourced multi vitamin. This is what my peds doctor told me for my kids. I have a

9 year old who is very slender.

I personally give my kids meal shakes and nutritional supplements by Shaklee.

I know there are other products out there but we've used these products for

years and have very good results with them vs. other products available.

We all need a wide variety. Try other nut butters. Maybe the Nutella?

The chocalate/hazelnut spread. I would stay away from adding too much oil and

added fat in his diet.

Make sure he is getting healthy exercise. Active is one thing but healthy

muscle building exercise is important and muscle weighs more than fat.

Best of luck,

Robin

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I second Amy - if you have asked for it (blood test) and the doctor

won't give it -- then (if it were me) I would switch doctors! Your

doctor needs to be respectful of your wishes as his mother, and

frankly of your intuition, parents usually know when something isn't

quite right w/ their kiddos. If you feel like something is wrong,

then there may very well be.

 

Best of wishes to you and your son!

 

--Stacee

 

 

, akfral wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 8/20/2007 7:00:47 A.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

> mrswalp29 writes:

>

> The biggest problem I see is the doctor

> doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or

allergies so I

> am always worried about him.

>

>

>

> Steph, hugs to you and your family. Worrying about our children is

the worst

> kind of fear.

> Having read your post twice, especially the above line, I'd find a

new doc.

> One who will listen to the whole picture. Deficiencies and

allergies could be

> the cause of most of the problems. Do you have good health

insurance? Amy

>

[Guest guest]

I'd have to agree with finding another doctor. I did read that and it should

have sparked a response in me but I'm half awake after being on vacation for 8

days.

Yes, find another doctor who will listen to your concerns and see what kind of

response you get.

Doctors can be wrong and are wrong. I KNOW from experience. I learned the hard

way.

Robin

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Steph,

 

If the doctor wants him on Ensure, then the doctor suspects that there is a

deficiency...

period. Ensure is a meal replacement and vitamin supplement. If your little boy

is not

eating all his meals then the doctor feels that he will drink Ensure. BTW, it's

not a

complete milk product, although it does contain whey protein (just pointing that

out since

you already use butter). Also, instead thinking " fattening him up " , think " bulk

him up " .

The more whole foods (think fiber) he eats, the more nutrients he will absorb...

which

means you won't have to buy Ensure, or Boost, or whatever. That means you'll

have to cut

back on the cheese too and replace it with a different snack. He needs to fill

up on whole

foods, rather than fat. That's the only way to get his nutrients to him. Cheese

is just a

block of fat.

 

Here are some suggestions to bulk up your boy

 

- Serve the double the eggs, instead of using more butter when cooking, and

serve them

with whole wheat toast and a banana. Make PBB (peanut butter and banana) instead

of PBJ...

Commercial peanut butter and jam have a lot of sugar that he is probably burning

off

immediately. The banana will fill him up and give him more energy over a longer

period of

time... more nutrients too. How about an egg salad sandwich loaded with

vegetables

(shredded carrots, diced celery, cucumber, lettuce)?

 

- Replace sugary processed treats, like jam, with fruits and vegetables (serve

them with

dip if that's the only way to get him to eat his veggies).

 

- Go for cereals with as little refined sugar as possible. My step-kids like

Kashi GoLean

Crunch. Steel cut oats with cinnamon, raisins and maple syrup is another

favourite in our

house. (I make it the night before and reheat in the morning).

 

- Swap out the white rice for brown rice and regular pasta for whole wheat:

they'll never

know the different (watch for sales and buy it in bulk).

 

So, I think your doctor is on the right track. But he didn't communicate it to

you very

well. They do tend to assume that we know all sorts of things about nutrition

*sigh*. I

really wish that they would teach this stuff in high school or elementary

school, so that

we were all armed with proper nutritional information... Sorry, I digress.

 

You can find other meal replacement/vitamin supplements that fit your budget and

your son

will eat. Fruit smoothies with a crushed vitamin supplement and plain yogurt or

soft tofu

in them are a great way to get them started in the morning and get them to eat

their

nutrients. Throw a scoop of hemp protein and greens plus in the smoothie and

voila! you

have a complete meal... although, it will be green and he may be turned off by

the colour.

Soy protein isolate, soft tofu, and whey protein are also good alternatives to

the hemp

protein... they aren't green and they come in chocolate, vanilla and strawberry

flavours.

Read the labels and pick the one with the least number of ingredients and the

least amount

of sugar. Also, you can make oatmeal cookies with protein powder.

 

But best of all, and what I found works with my 11 yo step-daughter, get him up

around 6am

and get him started eating early... right after he gets up. Since I started

doing this

with my step-daughter, she's been hungry all the time... and eating everything

in sight.

It means more trips to the grocery store, but at least she's eating

 

I hope that helps. Sorry for rambling on :}

Denise G.

 

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From : Steph[mrswalp29]

Sent : 8/20/2007 7:00:02 AM

To :

Cc :

Subject : RE: underweight children

 

Hi gang,

I wrote a while back about my 11 year old son who needed to gain some weight

well he has

lost another 3 pounds and I am frazzled over here. The doctor wanted him on

ensure but it

<snip>

[Guest guest]

My girls have always been thin and eaten healthy foods. They are very active in

sports, exercise and other things. Since they both hit puberty their appetite

has increased and so has their need to exercise lots more. Funny how puberty

and the rest of our life changes a lot of things, huh.

Judy

-

Steph

vegetarian group

Monday, August 20, 2007 6:00 AM

underweight children

 

 

Hi gang,

I wrote a while back about my 11 year old son who needed to gain some weight

well he has lost another 3 pounds and I am frazzled over here. The doctor wanted

him on ensure but it is costly and I am trying to avoid too much dairy since we

do eat a ton of cheese. I fry his eggs in veggie butter, cook with olive oil and

even drizzle a little extra on his pasta, I give him peanut butter but his

appetite is not there. I mean he eats well but sometimes he doesn't eat his

whole sandwich. I am at a loss I know he said he was bored with PB & J so I have

been making the Tuno sandwiches, Fake Bacon BLT's and trying to have a variety.

I also make him muffins to snack on. So the calories are there but he is not

taking them. He is extremely active. I also noticed he is the shortest in the

class heck there are younger children bigger then him so I have some concerns. I

don't know between the dark circles under his eyes and this I am overwhelmed.

The biggest problem I see is the doctor

doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or allergies so I

am always worried about him.

Steph

 

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[Guest guest]

My heart goes out to you! I know EXACTLY how you are feeling. My almost 9

year old is extremely under wieght and height too (5 percentile). He is under

two doctors care and if he doesnt improve by his 10th birthday they will be

running blood work on him. He is signed up also to meet with a nutritionist.

Not sure if that will help because he will not eat. He doesnt like food

(texture especially) I know it is easy to say: give him smoothies, protien

shakes, make sure they get there vitamins ect. but if they dont want to eat or

dont eat enough of that food then it isnt going to do anything for him. Anyhow,

goodluck and be persistent with your doctor on getting your child help.

 

 

Steph <mrswalp29

vegetarian group

Monday, August 20, 2007 4:00:02 AM

underweight children

 

Hi gang,

 

I wrote a while back about my 11 year old son who needed to gain some weight

well he has lost another 3 pounds and I am frazzled over here. The doctor wanted

him on ensure but it is costly and I am trying to avoid too much dairy since we

do eat a ton of cheese. I fry his eggs in veggie butter, cook with olive oil and

even drizzle a little extra on his pasta, I give him peanut butter but his

appetite is not there. I mean he eats well but sometimes he doesn't eat his

whole sandwich. I am at a loss I know he said he was bored with PB & J so I have

been making the Tuno sandwiches, Fake Bacon BLT's and trying to have a variety.

I also make him muffins to snack on. So the calories are there but he is not

taking them. He is extremely active. I also noticed he is the shortest in the

class heck there are younger children bigger then him so I have some concerns. I

don't know between the dark circles under his eyes and this I am overwhelmed.

The biggest problem I

see is the doctor

 

doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or allergies so I am

always worried about him.

 

Steph

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 8/20/2007 3:12:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,

mrswalp29 writes:

 

I am encouraged you all will be the first to know what she thinks of my

boys.

 

 

 

Oh good Steph!!! Will look forward to hearing. Amy

 

 

 

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Steph,

 

The first thing I would do is get a new doc. Most docs in the US

only take 3-6 hours (1-2 classes) of nutrition when going to med

school. Yet they are the " experts " . They are treated like gods.

They have their place in the healing system but they need to stay in

that place. They do great with surgery and emergency medicine but

their track record is not too hot on preventive medicine, diabetes,

cancer, etc.

 

I can tell you a yogic diet for gaining weight. I will not promise

that your son will like it though. It is especially for older

people. I would not advise this exclusively since he is so young.

The diet is steamed beets and cottage cheese. I definitely would not

give him peanut butter. Peanut butter is too hard to digest. If he

is losing weight, the firstthing to check is his digestive system.

If he cannot digest, then give him easy to digest foods like fresh

fruits and veggies, grains and beans. Soy is hard to digest. Root

veggies are great. Check to see if he is allergic to anything. It

could be dairy, so in that case, he should not eat the c. cheese.

Other things to check are wheat. White sugar is defintely out.

 

Circles under the eyes is a sign of kidney deficiency, which includes

the adrenals. Allergies are suspect. Drink lots of water especially

in the hot summer. Use a neti pot to clean his sinuses.

 

Hope this helps.

GB

 

, Steph <mrswalp29 wrote:

>

> Hi gang,

> I wrote a while back about my 11 year old son who needed to gain

some weight well he has lost another 3 pounds and I am frazzled over

here. The doctor wanted him on ensure but it is costly and I am

trying to avoid too much dairy since we do eat a ton of cheese. I fry

his eggs in veggie butter, cook with olive oil and even drizzle a

little extra on his pasta, I give him peanut butter but his appetite

is not there. I mean he eats well but sometimes he doesn't eat his

whole sandwich. I am at a loss I know he said he was bored with PB & J

so I have been making the Tuno sandwiches, Fake Bacon BLT's and

trying to have a variety. I also make him muffins to snack on. So the

calories are there but he is not taking them. He is extremely active.

I also noticed he is the shortest in the class heck there are younger

children bigger then him so I have some concerns. I don't know

between the dark circles under his eyes and this I am overwhelmed.

The biggest problem I see is the doctor

> doesn't want to have him get a blood test for deficiencies or

allergies so I am always worried about him.

> Steph

>

>

>

> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative

vehicles.

> Visit the Auto Green Center.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I wanted to let everyone know that I set up an appointment with a vegetarian

pediatrition for my son. The appointment is for next Tuesday. She says she won't

do any blood work/ allergy testing until his complete files are sent over but

she will give me a game plan so I am encouraged you all will be the first to

know what she thinks of my boys.

Lots of Hugs,

Steph

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

I wouldn't worry too much about vegetarian children being " underweight. "

As long as they are eating normally for their age and are getting

nutritious foods I don't think there's much to worry about. Both of my

kids are being raised as vegetarians and they would also be considered

underweight when compared to their meat eating counterparts. But they

are thriving, eat very healthy and there's no problem that I can see (or

their pediatrician). :-)]

 

I think vegetarian children just tend to be more slender than their

non-veg peers. Not a problem...

 

Jacqueline

www.vegetariannews.us

[Guest guest]

Jacqueline,

Thanks for your reply. I wouldn't be worried if he was just thin but he lost

weight this summer. He eats okay not much really but what concerns me the most

is he looks awful. His eyes are dark and I know he has had adequate sleep. He

does tend to be reminded to drink he isn't a big drinker. Anyhow thanks for

replying this is such a caring site.

Steph

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

My daughter is 15 months old and I go through a panic attack every few weeks

about her weight. She was a preemie (just early and small but no complications)

so she has to fight for every ounce of weight anyway. The ped assures me she is

fine. I *know* veg kids are leaner but when I see other kids, I worry. I also

*know* that she is not chubby like the others because she isnt exposed to the

growth hormones etc that is rampant in commercial food. Even though I

*know*....it's hard to remember!

Stephanie

 

 

 

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