Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 I think all restaurant chefs should be trained to cook for anyone's religion or choice. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:21 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I wish it was mandatory to know all about the vegan lifestyle for all cooks/chefsjo <jo.heartwork wrote: HiAlso in the UK if a cafe (even an omnivorous cafe) is accredited by theVegetarian Society it means they have been trained in what is required toproduce vegetarian dishes - i.e. using different utensils, boards etc.Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:35 PM Re: Dining out-rant> , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:> >> > I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge but> > not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the> > process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at> > home). One example is with the sub sandwich> > experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the> > cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first> > (and now I wonder how long they use the> > meat-contaminated board before they change it out). I>> Hi,> I sometimes cook a vegan meal in our community cafe. There is alwayssomeone with a> food hygeine certificate there. They explained to me about colour codedchopping boards.> One colour is for chopping meat, another colour for fish (?) another forveggies, etc.> Legally restaurants in UK are supposed to have a food hygene certificatewhich means they> use this system and would not be using the same board for meat andveggies, unless they> were very poor standard.>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Yes, but if you have a bad condition I would take your doctors advice. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:53 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant so as a vegan I should avoid them right,I have since childhoodfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: flu shots are from fertlized chicken eggs..yes sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 2:08 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Isn't the flu shot from a chicken/egg??or can you request another kind Don't need no politician Tell me things I ought to be Neither no optician Tell me what I ought to see No one tells you nothing Even when you know they know They tell you what you should be They don't like to see you grow Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Yes, I would expect my family to cook something for me, but wouldn't expect friends/acquaintances who are giving a party or bbq to do so, although it would be nice if they did. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:44 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant actually expect my family/in laws to go out of their way for me,cause I do for them I buy diabetic friendly stuff for them,my dad only eats red meat(yes he has the gout)so I have to buy that for him,so if they invite me over for a meal heck they better make me feel darn comfyjo <jo.heartwork wrote: > ah..but are they really cooking special foods?If it is something they would not normally cook for themselves or for theirother friends at a party/bbq - then yes it would be special food, just as avegan cooking meat would be cooking something special for someone else.> why are they special?Maybe special is not a word that has made my meaning clear. Maybe I shouldhave said different to their normal food.> can *they*(whomever they are) eat them?They can eat them, but might not like them or choose to eat them, just as avegan could eat meat but chooses not to.> will they curl up and die if they eat string beans?That's not a good example because if a vegan eat a lump of meat they wouldnot curl up and die either.If we expect other people to make a special effort for us to accommodate our(what seems to them) strange ways then shouldn't we be expected to make aspecial effort to accommodate (what seems to us) their strange ways. Howcan we think we are right to expect the rules to suit us from both angles?Or might it be better to eat the salad, and take along some nuts forprotein. Presumably you will have gone along to the gathering because youlike the people, not just to get a free meal.If you can't get my point I am obviously not making it very well. I am notsaying that meat-eaters are right to eat meat, merely pointing out thatmaybe we expect more than we are prepared to give.Jo>>>> if i knew someone who beat puppies, am i just suppose to play by theirrules when i see em?>> > jo <jo.heartwork> Nov 30, 2005 9:58 AM> > Re: Re: Dining out-rant>> I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you when> eating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you can> eat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the mealdoesn't> have any!>> This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just an> anomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when peoplevisit> us they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complain> when they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surelyif> we expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook foodfor> them for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cook> meat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we reallyask> them to cook special food for us?>> Jo> -> "herbvalerian" <herbvalerian> > Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM> Re: Dining out-rant>>> > Hi,> > This can be a difficult one.> > I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusivelyvegetarian> restaurants> > round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which is> supposed to be> > vegetarian.> > Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totallyvegetarian> so we don't have> > conflict about where we go.> > When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as they> seem to> > understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check theingredients.> They always> > have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant hasa> vegetarian chef.> > He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which is> not on the menu. If> > we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they have> something and if> > they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> > I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact Icannot> remember it> > must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been toone> as I have been a> > veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concernedabout> utensils if I went> > to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> > It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. If> there is nothing for> > you there be> > assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let yourfingers> do the walking"> > through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince the> family that you> > are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, youcan't!> Once you do> > this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where you> know you can eat> > safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.> Stay away from fast> > food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don't> know about the> > kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> > If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going tobe> getting a> > balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> > We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thingthey> gave me was a> > plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in my> entire life, but of> > course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride and> groom.> > Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my nextdoor> neighbour's> > house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietary> restrictions. I make a> > curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makes> some rice and> > salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. She> often> > cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think she> cooked it in the same> > pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> > I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult living> with meat eaters?> > Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could notcook> meat for anyone,> > no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> > Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be really> hard. If you could> > find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo could> find out if there> > are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans in> related> > organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also Iknow> some> > vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> > If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggest> where to find other> > vegans.> > Let us know how you get on.> > Herb,> > Tyneside,> > UK> > , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>> wrote:> > >> > > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > > else feel like me> > >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 It surprises me when people ask if you can live without meat or milk. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:46 PM Re: Dining out-rant yeah they think every meal has to have a animal product in it to say they ate a well balanced meal. Its funny whenever I am not feeling to hot my mom will say sandi maybe a nice piece of chicken or some tuna will make you feel better,I have been a vegetarian for 17yrs./vegan for 11yrs. come on now like I will just switch-never neverjo <jo.heartwork wrote: That's probably because they don't eat those things. Their normal might consist of meat, potato and a serving of veg, or sometimes a meat curry with rice. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:14 PM Re: Dining out-rant I don't find it hard to be a vegan but all non veg's. think its sooo tough-WHAT DO YOU EAT?come on people there are a zillion things to eat,I have a wide variety in my diet,but all they think I eat is fruit and veggies,wheres your iron and proetin-foolsSusan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge butnot impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in theprocess (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat athome). One example is with the sub sandwichexperience. Since I know they prepare meat on thecutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first(and now I wonder how long they use themeat-contaminated board before they change it out). Iask to see ingredient lists for bread if they areavailable and sometimes I call the company (orsometimes I can find nutrition information online) toask about ingredients. It becomes easier in myhometown as I find out which places are vegan friendlyabout answering questions and which are not. I chooseto spend my dollars and give my support to businesswho are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive Gardensit down at my table with me to discuss options. Hewas a former vegan. It's all a learning process, achallenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating outis another challenge. I really enjoy eating out butI'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at home,too. I find learning about ingredients is really achallenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animalderived, etc. I guess like anything else, the moreexperienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be. Ihope not too easy because I like a challenge! To me,it is worth the effort, health wise and animal wise.Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in mywater filter comes from . . . .Susan--- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over> 11 yrs.)do you > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and> relatives are all > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually> order-garden salad/steamed > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a> constant worry about > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the> pots/pans/utensils/ovens > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or> using the same items > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I> usually eat at home > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my> own stuff.Where I > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice> to make it easier > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo> loco I just ate > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them> right....since being > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big> thing regarding > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be> cooked in the same pot > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours> ago)thank you all anyone > else feel like me> > > > > > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 It's dog and cat breath I can't stand. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 7:15 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant well after someones eats a full on meat meal and they breath on you uuuuuuggggghhhh,give me space man,then they come over to give you a wet one,I am like heck nopeter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Did he bring his own oxygen as well? The Valley Vegan............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: the carnie at our haus(who was "mostly veg" when he moved in, tho that turned out to be a lie) has his own plates and cooking stuff...he has his own sponge, etc... peter hurd Nov 30, 2005 10:51 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant I`m sorry, but if someone served me food on a paper plate, I would probably feel annoyed.Why not put a Big sign above theor chair as well marked "MEAT EATER" For gods sake, you do wash your plates don`t you? I think that this kind of behaviour is a little hypocritical, after all us vegans hate being singled out at meal times don`t we?, so why do it back? don`t make sense to me. I guess that you dont share a house with a carnie? The Valley Vegan.................................... For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction. Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for this sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: when I go to my families house/in laws house they will make food for me that is vegan friendly(veggies/salad/fruit)I don't ask them to go out of their way to make me a tofu meal(they wouldn't know how to anyway).I am not much of a cook so if we have people here at the house we order in food(that I don't eat),we use paper plates for themjo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 everything has protein in it..... sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant True what is the proetin we get when we go to a restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you never know what the hidden ingrediants arejo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2005 Report Share Posted November 30, 2005 Hi Peter I'm envious :-) You have quite a few veggie/vegan places in Bristol. We have to travel to eat out. BBJo - Peter Wednesday, November 30, 2005 10:37 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant Hi Fraggle > some friends mentioned the place..i think...they liked the thali there..if thats the place May not be the same place, but the Thali in Bristol is fantastic - and 15 minutes walk from where I live :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 yes people its possible to not eat animals stuff and be healthyjo <jo.heartwork wrote: It surprises me when people ask if you can live without meat or milk. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:46 PM Re: Dining out-rant yeah they think every meal has to have a animal product in it to say they ate a well balanced meal. Its funny whenever I am not feeling to hot my mom will say sandi maybe a nice piece of chicken or some tuna will make you feel better,I have been a vegetarian for 17yrs./vegan for 11yrs. come on now like I will just switch-never neverjo <jo.heartwork wrote: That's probably because they don't eat those things. Their normal might consist of meat, potato and a serving of veg, or sometimes a meat curry with rice. Jo - sandi gordon Wednesday, November 30, 2005 6:14 PM Re: Dining out-rant I don't find it hard to be a vegan but all non veg's. think its sooo tough-WHAT DO YOU EAT?come on people there are a zillion things to eat,I have a wide variety in my diet,but all they think I eat is fruit and veggies,wheres your iron and proetin-foolsSusan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge butnot impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in theprocess (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat athome). One example is with the sub sandwichexperience. Since I know they prepare meat on thecutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first(and now I wonder how long they use themeat-contaminated board before they change it out). Iask to see ingredient lists for bread if they areavailable and sometimes I call the company (orsometimes I can find nutrition information online) toask about ingredients. It becomes easier in myhometown as I find out which places are vegan friendlyabout answering questions and which are not. I chooseto spend my dollars and give my support to businesswho are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive Gardensit down at my table with me to discuss options. Hewas a former vegan. It's all a learning process, achallenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating outis another challenge. I really enjoy eating out butI'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at home,too. I find learning about ingredients is really achallenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animalderived, etc. I guess like anything else, the moreexperienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be. Ihope not too easy because I like a challenge! To me,it is worth the effort, health wise and animal wise.Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in mywater filter comes from . . . .Susan--- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote:> I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over> 11 yrs.)do you > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and> relatives are all > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually> order-garden salad/steamed > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a> constant worry about > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the> pots/pans/utensils/ovens > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or> using the same items > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I> usually eat at home > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my> own stuff.Where I > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice> to make it easier > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo> loco I just ate > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them> right....since being > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big> thing regarding > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be> cooked in the same pot > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours> ago)thank you all anyone > else feel like me> > > > > > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Music Unlimited - Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 ????????fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: everything has protein in it..... sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:18 AM Re: Re: Dining out-rant True what is the proetin we get when we go to a restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you never know what the hidden ingrediants arejo <jo.heartwork wrote: I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of mixed nuts with you wheneating out - then if there is no protein in the dish you are given you caneat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein too and the meal doesn'thave any!This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment either - it is just ananomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. We say 'when people visitus they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal ingredients) and yet we complainwhen they won't cook food different to their normal food for us. Surely ifwe expect them to cook special food for our tastes, we should cook food forthem for their tastes. As I said, I am not suggesting that we all cookmeat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in mind, can we really askthem to cook special food for us?Jo-"herbvalerian" <herbvalerianWednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM Re: Dining out-rant> Hi,> This can be a difficult one.> I rarely go out to restaurants because there are no exclusively vegetarianrestaurants> round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian cafes and a pub which issupposed to be> vegetarian.> Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan and is totally vegetarianso we don't have> conflict about where we go.> When we do go out we usually go to to British Indian restaurants as theyseem to> understand about the ethics of vegetarians and will check the ingredients.They always> have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local indian restaurant has avegetarian chef.> He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and lentil curry) which isnot on the menu. If> we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead to check they havesomething and if> they seem funny on the phone we don't go.> I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many years, in fact I cannotremember it> must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure I have ever been to oneas I have been a> veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too would be concerned aboututensils if I went> to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason I would not go to one.> It is a really good idea to phone ahead when eating out and check. Ifthere is nothing for> you there be> assertive with your family and find a better restaurant. "Let your fingersdo the walking"> through the phone book and make some calls! You have to convince thefamily that you> are going to decide where to eat because they can eat anywhere, you can't!Once you do> this a few times you will be able to build up a list of places where youknow you can eat> safely and the staff will remember you, particularly if you are polite.Stay away from fast> food places unless you know one where you can get what you want. I don'tknow about the> kitchens but the staff change too much to get to know you.> If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies you are not going to begetting a> balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc.> We attended a freind's wedding reception a while ago. The only thing theygave me was a> plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal I had had out in myentire life, but of> course I could not say any thing for risk of offending the bride andgroom.> Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I often eat at my next doorneighbour's> house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands about dietaryrestrictions. I make a> curry or a stew or similar main course dish to take there and she makessome rice and> salad to go with it, and we have a great time stuffing our faces. Sheoften> cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. At first I think shecooked it in the same> pot as meat but she knows better now as I have trained her mind on this.> I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find it difficult livingwith meat eaters?> Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie friendly. I could not cookmeat for anyone,> no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they get what we eat.> Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. This must be reallyhard. If you could> find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral support. Perhaps yo couldfind out if there> are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes you can find vegans inrelated> organisations. I know a few through a wholefood co-op I am in. Also I knowsome> vegetarians through friends who introduced me to them.> If you tell the group the area you live in, they may be able to suggestwhere to find other> vegans.> Let us know how you get on.> Herb,> Tyneside,> UK> , "Sandi" <sandisweeti13132001>wrote:> >> > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you> > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all> > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed> > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about> > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens> > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items> > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home> > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I> > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier> > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate> > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being> > a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding> > cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot> > as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone> > else feel like me> >>>>>>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 yes? its true everything does have protein in it cells would just go kerflunk if they didn't have it.... while its true that a carrot is not gonna have as much available proteins as say, a soybean, it doesn't change the fact that all living things have some sort of protein in em... sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:05 PM Re: Re: Dining out-rant ????????fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: everything has protein in it..... Don't need no politician Tell me things I ought to be Neither no optician Tell me what I ought to see No one tells you nothing Even when you know they know They tell you what you should be They don't like to see you grow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 hey..ya got something and its still gotta be better then el pollo loco! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Dining out-rant yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Sandi > my hubby and kids are meat eaters,the paper plates are cheaper thats why-sorry for your reaction though Cheaper in which way? Pretty expensive on the environment if you're using paper plates every meal! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I wouldn't know I don't eat at el pollo loco,my family doesfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: hey..ya got something and its still gotta be better then el pollo loco! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 4:04 PM Re: Dining out-rant yes thank you for telling me that(duh),but they aren't the best place to shop/eat atfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: well..ya gots the Whole wheatery! sandi gordon Nov 30, 2005 10:20 AM Re: Dining out-rant I choose el pollo loco cause I am not a cook and its healthier animal stuff for the family,for channuka we are at my families house. I live in a city that has like no vegetarians/vegans(the antelope valley,calif.) fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i think i'm just a weird lucky anomalynever have any difficulty at all eating out around here(SF bay Area)tons of veggie/vegan restaurants..and, most places know wot vegansim is around hereel polo loco...fer thanxfernuthin...strange.....heading to burger king fer x-mas?:)places that specialize in dead animals, i think yer just as* out.....but..any other place(not a fast food place er a corporate chain like applebys) you should get wot you want by asking...u could always say"i'm allergic"that'll scare em....lawsuits and all thatcheersfraggleSandi <sandisweeti13132001Nov 30, 2005 6:13 AM Subject: Dining out-rantI was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for over 11 yrs.)do you find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby and relatives are all meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually order-garden salad/steamed veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have a constant worry about the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the pots/pans/utensils/ovens maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff or using the same items to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I usually eat at home then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack my own stuff.Where I live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any advice to make it easier to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el pollo loco I just ate the food I had at home,come on I can't trust them right....since being a veagn not vegetarian I find a trust issue a big thing regarding cooking items(I don't want my vegan stuff to be cooked in the same pot as a meat product was cooked it a few hours ago)thank you all anyone else feel like meTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Hi Fraggle That is true but it is still a good idea to eat food which we call protein foods twice a day. Jo Fraggle wrote: everything has protein in it..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I love it when someone asks me about my diet. It's an opportunity to give information--because I was asked. Someone at work asked what's wrong with eating honey? I was able to explain to them my thoughts on it and email them an article. I'm finding that there are people who do not know what " vegan " is and who knows? Someone may think more about their diet if I have an opportunity to answer their questions. If they ask first, they're less likely to be able to say I'm " pushing " my lifestlyle. It is kind of humorous to me when they say " what do you eat " ? But there are members in my own extended family who do not eat vegetables. One of my preteen grandchildren said that she was vegetarian, too, because she didn't eat vegetables! She really didn't know what vegetarian meant. Susan --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: > I don't find it hard to be a vegan but all non > veg's. think its sooo tough-WHAT DO YOU EAT?come on > people there are a zillion things to eat,I have a > wide variety in my diet,but all they think I eat is > fruit and veggies,wheres your iron and proetin-fools Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I offer to bring a dish and that works for potlucks as well. I haven't had anyone object so far and it's a chance to share vegan cooking if they are interested in trying it. Susan --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: > I guess I feel guilty asking people to cook for > me,so I try to make all my food even at their homes > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: ah..but > are they really cooking special foods? > why are they special? > can *they*(whomever they are) eat them? > will they curl up and die if they eat string beans? > > > > if i knew someone who beat puppies, am i just > suppose to play by their rules when i see em? > > > jo <jo.heartwork > Nov 30, 2005 9:58 AM > > Re: Re: Dining out-rant > > I reckon it's a good idea to always take a bag of > mixed nuts with you when > eating out - then if there is no protein in the dish > you are given you can > eat the nuts and tell them that vegans need protein > too and the meal doesn't > have any! > > This is not a suggestion or an adverse comment > either - it is just an > anomaly that I haven't reconciled in my mind yet. > We say 'when people visit > us they eat what we cook (i.e. no animal > ingredients) and yet we complain > when they won't cook food different to their normal > food for us. Surely if > we expect them to cook special food for our tastes, > we should cook food for > them for their tastes. As I said, I am not > suggesting that we all cook > meat, cheese etc for our guests, but bearing this in > mind, can we really ask > them to cook special food for us? > > Jo > - > " herbvalerian " <herbvalerian > > Wednesday, November 30, 2005 5:24 PM > Re: Dining out-rant > > > > Hi, > > This can be a difficult one. > > I rarely go out to restaurants because there are > no exclusively vegetarian > restaurants > > round here, tho we have a couple of vegetarian > cafes and a pub which is > supposed to be > > vegetarian. > > Fortunately my other half is trying to be vegan > and is totally vegetarian > so we don't have > > conflict about where we go. > > When we do go out we usually go to to British > Indian restaurants as they > seem to > > understand about the ethics of vegetarians and > will check the ingredients. > They always > > have a vegtarian section on the menus. Our local > indian restaurant has a > vegetarian chef. > > He makes me a special dish I ask for (spinach and > lentil curry) which is > not on the menu. If > > we are going somehere new we usually phone ahead > to check they have > something and if > > they seem funny on the phone we don't go. > > I have not been to a meat based restaurant in many > years, in fact I cannot > remember it > > must have been so long ago. In fact I am not sure > I have ever been to one > as I have been a > > veggie for 24 years now, all my adult life. I too > would be concerned about > utensils if I went > > to a meat based restaurant, it is the main reason > I would not go to one. > > It is a really good idea to phone ahead when > eating out and check. If > there is nothing for > > you there be > > assertive with your family and find a better > restaurant. " Let your fingers > do the walking " > > through the phone book and make some calls! You > have to convince the > family that you > > are going to decide where to eat because they can > eat anywhere, you can't! > Once you do > > this a few times you will be able to build up a > list of places where you > know you can eat > > safely and the staff will remember you, > particularly if you are polite. > Stay away from fast > > food places unless you know one where you can get > what you want. I don't > know about the > > kitchens but the staff change too much to get to > know you. > > If you are just eating salads and steamed veggies > you are not going to be > getting a > > balanced diet. Vegans need nuts, tofu, beans etc. > > We attended a freind's wedding reception a while > ago. The only thing they > gave me was a > > plain salad. I was disgusted, it as the worst meal > I had had out in my > entire life, but of > > course I could not say any thing for risk of > offending the bride and > groom. > > Mostly we eat at home with home cooked stuff. I > often eat at my next door > neighbour's > > house. She is an arabic muslim and she understands > about dietary > restrictions. I make a > > curry or a stew or similar main course dish to > take there and she makes > some rice and > > salad to go with it, and we have a great time > stuffing our faces. She > often > > cooks stuff for me and brings it round in a pot. > At first I think she > cooked it in the same > > pot as meat but she knows better now as I have > trained her mind on this. > > I hope you don't mind me asking but don't you find > it difficult living > with meat eaters? > > Most of my friends are either veggie or veggie > friendly. I could not cook > meat for anyone, > > no way. If non vegans come round for a meal they > get what we eat. > > Also, you say you are the only vegan you know of. > This must be really > hard. If you could > > find some other Vegans it wuld give you moral > support. Perhaps yo could > find out if there > > are any groups in your area and join. Sometimes > you can find vegans in > related > > organisations. I know a few through a wholefood > co-op I am in. Also I know > some > > vegetarians through friends who introduced me to > them. > > If you tell the group the area you live in, they > may be able to suggest > where to find other > > vegans. > > Let us know how you get on. > > Herb, > > Tyneside, > > UK > > , " Sandi " > <sandisweeti13132001> > wrote: > > > > > > I was wondering to all the vegans(I am one for > over 11 yrs.)do you > > > find it tough to eat out at restuarants?my hubby > and relatives are all > > > meat eaters and we go out to eat,I usually > order-garden salad/steamed > > > veggies,fruit plate(stuff like that),but I have > a constant worry about > > > the way the chefs prepare the foods w/ the > pots/pans/utensils/ovens > > > maybe they are mixing things w/ the meat stuff > or using the same items > > > to prepare the foods????I rather not eat out,I > usually eat at home > > > then go out w/ them and not eat a thing or pack > my own stuff.Where I > > > live I am like the only vegan I know of.Any > advice to make it easier > > > to socialize-for thanksgiving my family got el > pollo loco I just ate > > > the food I had at home,come on I can't trust > them === message truncated === Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I explain about who I am to guests who may not know . .. . if I don't buy animal food/products for myself why would I for others? There are plenty of alternatives. If guests were adamant about having something I cannot or will not provide they are free to provide it for themselves. That's part of being a good guest. If they didn't respect my beliefs, why would I have them as guests to begin with? Alternatively, if I am going to a nonvegan meal event I can bring a dish or two that I can eat and/or share. Some of my cooking is so good, I don't know if I want to share (that makes me a greedy vegan)! Susan --- serene <lists wrote: > > On Wed, November 30, 2005 10:11 am, fraggle said: > > ah..but are they really cooking special foods? > > why are they special? > > can *they*(whomever they are) eat them? > > will they curl up and die if they eat string > beans? > > Will you curl up and die if you eat cheese? > > I cook vegan nearly all the time. If someone > requests something else, I > provide it. it's part of being a good host. > > serene > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. Susan --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us > vegans. > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it > would be great to go through a drive through to pick > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc. > Music Unlimited Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. http://music./unlimited/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to a fancy French restaurant for her birthday. I called ahead and explained that I was vegan and asked what they could do. Even though I had called ahead, when I got there, they had apparently forgotten. They were really good about picking up the ball and rolling with it, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menu except salad and I told them I wanted more than salad.) The chef did a wonderful job of putting together a delicious dish with marinated portabello mushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lick the plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he said he enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? I can eat that at home if they forget that part. It's just one meal and I don't feel that I need protein at every meal. Susan --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: > True what is the proetin we get when we go to a > restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a > restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you > never know what the hidden ingrediants are Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 Thanks, I was wondering because I read that some charcoal is made from burned animal bones. Susan --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > activated charcoal should be ok... > it is usually just partially burned charcoal(wood) > which makes extra holes in it.. > this allows certain chemical compunds to be more > easily bound up > > > Susan <oceanfest_2000 > Nov 30, 2005 8:51 AM > > Re: Dining out-rant > > I'm a new vegan and I find eating out a challenge > but > not impossible. I ask, ask, ask and learn in the > process (sometimes I get tired of asking and eat at > home). One example is with the sub sandwich > experience. Since I know they prepare meat on the > cutting board, I ask them to put a paper down first > (and now I wonder how long they use the > meat-contaminated board before they change it out). > I > ask to see ingredient lists for bread if they are > available and sometimes I call the company (or > sometimes I can find nutrition information online) > to > ask about ingredients. It becomes easier in my > hometown as I find out which places are vegan > friendly > about answering questions and which are not. I > choose > to spend my dollars and give my support to business > who are helpful. I once had a manager of Olive > Garden > sit down at my table with me to discuss options. He > was a former vegan. It's all a learning process, a > challenge, and kind of fun. Traveling and eating out > is another challenge. I really enjoy eating out but > I'm discovering that I have real fun cooking at > home, > too. I find learning about ingredients is really a > challenge . . .some calcium ingredients are animal > derived, etc. I guess like anything else, the more > experienced I get, the easier the hurdles will be. > I > hope not too easy because I like a challenge! To > me, > it is worth the effort, health wise and animal wise. > Hmmm now I need to find out where the charcoal in my > water filter comes from . . . .Susan > > --- Sandi <sandisweeti13132001 wrote: > > > Don't need no politician > Tell me things I ought to be > Neither no optician > Tell me what I ought to see > No one tells you nothing > Even when you know they know > They tell you what you should be > They don't like to see you grow > Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I agree that everyone draws a personal line about how far they go; I have sent meals back if they forgot and had even a little dab of pesto for garnish on the pasta; I ask to have that held, but sometimes they forget. Most people are understanding about dietery restrictions. I'm still learning about how far I want to go. I stopped my allergy shots because they were grass, dust mites, dog, and cat. My allergist said we could continue the grass and dust mite and (I can't believe I said this) I said dust mites are living creatures, too. He countered with what are bacteria? Oh well, I don't care if people think I'm weird I have to live the way I believe and I can only do the best I can. Susan --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > i know a lot of vegans who won't eat at any place > that uses the same pots and such for meat as well as > veggies... > > everyone draws the line at different places... > > and, to me there is a major difference between > stepping behind a carnivore, and eating off the same > pan that has been used countless times to baste some > dead critter.... > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 They weren't vegan I'm afraid. I did check with someone I know at the Vegetarian Society. I think the only veggie (not necessarily vegan) items you can get at McD now are salad, fruit bowl, and porridge. Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > McDonalds was providing a vegetarian burger for > awhile, but I don't know if they used vegan patties as > I was vegetarian at the time I ordered it and didn't > care if it had milk or cheese. You can get salads > (back to salad again!). I think some fast food places > are at least trying. It depends on consumer demand. > Susan > --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001> > wrote: > > > I think restaurants assume everyone is a meat and > > dairy eater,they don't have enough options for us > > vegans. > > I do wish there were vegan fast food joints it > > would be great to go through a drive through to pick > > up a vegan hamburger/chicken/etc. > > > > > > > > Music Unlimited > Access over 1 million songs. Try it free. > http://music./unlimited/ > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2005 Report Share Posted December 1, 2005 I'm glad you were served something delicious. Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > Earlier this year I wanted to take my mother to a > fancy French restaurant for her birthday. I called > ahead and explained that I was vegan and asked what > they could do. Even though I had called ahead, when I > got there, they had apparently forgotten. They were > really good about picking up the ball and rolling with > it, though. (There were no vegan choices on the menu > except salad and I told them I wanted more than > salad.) The chef did a wonderful job of putting > together a delicious dish with marinated portabello > mushrooms and veggies--it was so good I wanted to lick > the plate! I sent compliments to the chef and he said > he enjoyed putting it together. As for the protein? I > can eat that at home if they forget that part. It's > just one meal and I don't feel that I need protein at > every meal. Susan > > --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001> > wrote: > > > True what is the proetin we get when we go to a > > restuarant?beans???I wouldn't eat beans at a > > restuarant cause they flavor them w/ pork etc. you > > never know what the hidden ingrediants are > > > > > > > Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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