Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Nice article, but technically you can get B-12 from Tempeh (though not much--and do we really know how much we need? I've read conflicting reports) and other animal products besides " meat " . I think I found another source as well, but I'm not sure what it was hmmmm when I was looking at mushrooms? As for supplements, I don't feel I need any (with the possible exception of B-12). I eat a wide enough range of food to cover it. Besides, Vitamins were first discovered in 1925 (if my memory serves me correctly) so we don't really know that much about them! Or even all of them yet, probably. I do use fortified products sometimes, so I can't say I don't use vitamins/minerals supplementation at all, but I don't take a pill and I try to find and eat foods that don't need fortification. That's not as easy as it sounds when it comes to soy and grain products. To me, it's not natural and could lead to problems. Susan --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > > Food Fact: The Pros and Cons of Vegan Dieting > By Lori Corbin > > Contrary to popular belief, vegans can get adequate > protein in their diet. What they lack is vitamin > B-12, which you can only get from meat. In addition, > vegans need to make sure they get adequate iron, > calcium, riboflavin, zinc and vitamin D. No > surprise, health experts recommend taking a > supplement on this type of program. It's also > helpful to eat certain foods in tandem, like iron > rich black beans with a food high in vitamin C (like > red bell pepper, oranges, kiwi, etc.) Keller says > vegetarians and vegans benefit with lower rates of > cholesterol, hypertension, cancer, obesity and > reduced risk of kidney problems. > // > > A recent study at George Washington University > proved that vegan dieting works well, at least for > overweight post menopausal women. They lost almost > twice as much weight as those following a standard > low cholesterol diet; fourteen pounds versus eight > pounds. > In addition it's important to remember, animal free > doesn't mean taste free. Keller recommends giving > your body a break by eating semi-vegan a few days a > week. > For more information about vegan dieting: > www.nutrifitonline or Nutrifit (310) 473-1989 > > > Eyewitness News Team > > Lori Corbin, > > > > RELATED: Lori's BIO > > EMAIL: Contact Lori Peter H > > > > > Model Search - Could you be the next > catwalk superstar? Check out the competition now Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 It is best to take a B12 supplement to avoid heart trouble. This research was done because it was noticed that vegetarians live, on average, 5 years longer than vegans. It turns out that vegans don't get enough B12 to keep their homocysteine levels right! Soil (dirt, earth) is not as nutrient rich as it used to be/should be, because of over farming. (When you remove the crop for food the humus is not going back into the soil to nourish it). Admittedly farmers put fertilisers on the land, but it is not as good as it should be. Therefore our food is nowhere near as nutrient-rich as it should be. All of the top nutritionists in this country, at least, reckon you do need supplements to keep really healthy - and this applies to meat eaters, not just vegans. Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > Nice article, but technically you can get B-12 from > Tempeh (though not much--and do we really know how > much we need? I've read conflicting reports) and other > animal products besides " meat " . I think I found > another source as well, but I'm not sure what it was > hmmmm when I was looking at mushrooms? As for > supplements, I don't feel I need any (with the > possible exception of B-12). I eat a wide enough > range of food to cover it. Besides, Vitamins were > first discovered in 1925 (if my memory serves me > correctly) so we don't really know that much about > them! Or even all of them yet, probably. I do use > fortified products sometimes, so I can't say I don't > use vitamins/minerals supplementation at all, but I > don't take a pill and I try to find and eat foods that > don't need fortification. That's not as easy as it > sounds when it comes to soy and grain products. To > me, it's not natural and could lead to problems. > Susan > > --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > > > Food Fact: The Pros and Cons of Vegan Dieting > > By Lori Corbin > > > > Contrary to popular belief, vegans can get adequate > > protein in their diet. What they lack is vitamin > > B-12, which you can only get from meat. In addition, > > vegans need to make sure they get adequate iron, > > calcium, riboflavin, zinc and vitamin D. No > > surprise, health experts recommend taking a > > supplement on this type of program. It's also > > helpful to eat certain foods in tandem, like iron > > rich black beans with a food high in vitamin C (like > > red bell pepper, oranges, kiwi, etc.) Keller says > > vegetarians and vegans benefit with lower rates of > > cholesterol, hypertension, cancer, obesity and > > reduced risk of kidney problems. > > // > > > > A recent study at George Washington University > > proved that vegan dieting works well, at least for > > overweight post menopausal women. They lost almost > > twice as much weight as those following a standard > > low cholesterol diet; fourteen pounds versus eight > > pounds. > > In addition it's important to remember, animal free > > doesn't mean taste free. Keller recommends giving > > your body a break by eating semi-vegan a few days a > > week. > > For more information about vegan dieting: > > www.nutrifitonline or Nutrifit (310) 473-1989 > > > > > > Eyewitness News Team > > > > Lori Corbin, > > > > > > > > RELATED: Lori's BIO > > > > EMAIL: Contact Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > Model Search - Could you be the next > > catwalk superstar? Check out the competition now > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Do the supplements added to certain soya milks, natex, marmite, margarines, and cereals count or do I have to take yet another pill? , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > It is best to take a B12 supplement to avoid heart trouble. This > research was done because it was noticed that vegetarians live, on > average, 5 years longer than vegans. It turns out that vegans don't > get enough B12 to keep their homocysteine levels right! > > Soil (dirt, earth) is not as nutrient rich as it used to be/should > be, because of over farming. (When you remove the crop for food the > humus is not going back into the soil to nourish it). Admittedly > farmers put fertilisers on the land, but it is not as good as it > should be. Therefore our food is nowhere near as nutrient-rich as it > should be. All of the top nutritionists in this country, at least, > reckon you do need supplements to keep really healthy - and this > applies to meat eaters, not just vegans. > > Jo > > , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > Nice article, but technically you can get B-12 from > > Tempeh (though not much--and do we really know how > > much we need? I've read conflicting reports) and other > > animal products besides " meat " . I think I found > > another source as well, but I'm not sure what it was > > hmmmm when I was looking at mushrooms? As for > > supplements, I don't feel I need any (with the > > possible exception of B-12). I eat a wide enough > > range of food to cover it. Besides, Vitamins were > > first discovered in 1925 (if my memory serves me > > correctly) so we don't really know that much about > > them! Or even all of them yet, probably. I do use > > fortified products sometimes, so I can't say I don't > > use vitamins/minerals supplementation at all, but I > > don't take a pill and I try to find and eat foods that > > don't need fortification. That's not as easy as it > > sounds when it comes to soy and grain products. To > > me, it's not natural and could lead to problems. > > Susan > > > > --- peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Food Fact: The Pros and Cons of Vegan Dieting > > > By Lori Corbin > > > > > > Contrary to popular belief, vegans can get adequate > > > protein in their diet. What they lack is vitamin > > > B-12, which you can only get from meat. In addition, > > > vegans need to make sure they get adequate iron, > > > calcium, riboflavin, zinc and vitamin D. No > > > surprise, health experts recommend taking a > > > supplement on this type of program. It's also > > > helpful to eat certain foods in tandem, like iron > > > rich black beans with a food high in vitamin C (like > > > red bell pepper, oranges, kiwi, etc.) Keller says > > > vegetarians and vegans benefit with lower rates of > > > cholesterol, hypertension, cancer, obesity and > > > reduced risk of kidney problems. > > > // > > > > > > A recent study at George Washington University > > > proved that vegan dieting works well, at least for > > > overweight post menopausal women. They lost almost > > > twice as much weight as those following a standard > > > low cholesterol diet; fourteen pounds versus eight > > > pounds. > > > In addition it's important to remember, animal free > > > doesn't mean taste free. Keller recommends giving > > > your body a break by eating semi-vegan a few days a > > > week. > > > For more information about vegan dieting: > > > www.nutrifitonline or Nutrifit (310) 473-1989 > > > > > > > > > Eyewitness News Team > > > > > > Lori Corbin, > > > > > > > > > > > > RELATED: Lori's BIO > > > > > > EMAIL: Contact Lori > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Model Search - Could you be the next > > > catwalk superstar? Check out the competition now > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > > http://www./r/hs > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 Well - you don't have to, but I do. Jo - " herbvalerian " <herbvalerian Friday, December 02, 2005 7:16 PM Re: Vegan Dieting/Vitamin Supplementation > Do the supplements added to certain soya milks, natex, marmite, margarines, and cereals > count or do I have to take yet another pill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 This is kind of open debate for some people. However, there are a couple of things that have me take the supplements anyway. One, the B12 is more easily and better absorbed if taken in the sub-lingual form..that is a small capsule, lozenge, that you put under your tongue and let it dissolve there. The acid in your stomach inhibits some of the absorption of the B12. And the older you get the less B12 is absorbed and utilized in your body. My soy milk says it is supplemented and that 1 cup provides 50% of my daily need. However, I don't ordinarily drink that much of it let alone two cups. That is probably the only food that I eat on a daily basis. I eat lots of organic vegetables, grains and fruits. To me the consequences down the line of not having adequate B12 isn't worth not taking the supplement. I never have to worry. Here the smallest dosage of B12 I can get is 1000 mcg which is of course way over board. Most people I know take that only a couple of times a week since the body will store some B12 and dump the rest. You don't have to worry about overdosing with B12. My daily vegan all purpose vitamin has B12 in it, but it goes through my digestive process. So I supplement. Also, at least here, B12 is so darned cheap... I paid $5.25 for 50 lozenges, 1000 mcg, Vegan B12, by VegLife and it is supplemented with 400 mcg of folic acid. Since I only take one twice a week that is certainly less expensive than drinking soy milk. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - herbvalerian Friday, December 02, 2005 11:16 AM Re: Vegan Dieting/Vitamin Supplementation Do the supplements added to certain soya milks, natex, marmite, margarines, and cereals count or do I have to take yet another pill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 I agree that it is wise. Not many people now have seen the effects of an undersupply of vitamin B12 - pernicious anaemia, which causes tiredness,nerve damage and paralysis. Admittedly most of the cases were caused through some people not producing 'intrinisic factor' in their stomachs, so they could not process the B12 they consumed -but the consequences of a severe lack are the same, no matter what the cause. Jo - linda Friday, December 02, 2005 7:46 PM Re: Vegan Dieting/Vitamin Supplementation This is kind of open debate for some people. However, there are a couple of things that have me take the supplements anyway. One, the B12 is more easily and better absorbed if taken in the sub-lingual form..that is a small capsule, lozenge, that you put under your tongue and let it dissolve there. The acid in your stomach inhibits some of the absorption of the B12. And the older you get the less B12 is absorbed and utilized in your body. My soy milk says it is supplemented and that 1 cup provides 50% of my daily need. However, I don't ordinarily drink that much of it let alone two cups. That is probably the only food that I eat on a daily basis. I eat lots of organic vegetables, grains and fruits. To me the consequences down the line of not having adequate B12 isn't worth not taking the supplement. I never have to worry. Here the smallest dosage of B12 I can get is 1000 mcg which is of course way over board. Most people I know take that only a couple of times a week since the body will store some B12 and dump the rest. You don't have to worry about overdosing with B12. My daily vegan all purpose vitamin has B12 in it, but it goes through my digestive process. So I supplement. Also, at least here, B12 is so darned cheap... I paid $5.25 for 50 lozenges, 1000 mcg, Vegan B12, by VegLife and it is supplemented with 400 mcg of folic acid. Since I only take one twice a week that is certainly less expensive than drinking soy milk. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2005 Report Share Posted December 2, 2005 too each their own.... jo Dec 2, 2005 11:53 AM Re: Vegan Dieting/Vitamin Supplementation I agree that it is wise. Not many people now have seen the effects of an undersupply of vitamin B12 - pernicious anaemia, which causes tiredness,nerve damage and paralysis. Admittedly most of the cases were caused through some people not producing 'intrinisic factor' in their stomachs, so they could not process the B12 they consumed -but the consequences of a severe lack are the same, no matter what the cause. Jo - linda Friday, December 02, 2005 7:46 PM Re: Vegan Dieting/Vitamin Supplementation This is kind of open debate for some people. However, there are a couple of things that have me take the supplements anyway. One, the B12 is more easily and better absorbed if taken in the sub-lingual form..that is a small capsule, lozenge, that you put under your tongue and let it dissolve there. The acid in your stomach inhibits some of the absorption of the B12. And the older you get the less B12 is absorbed and utilized in your body. My soy milk says it is supplemented and that 1 cup provides 50% of my daily need. However, I don't ordinarily drink that much of it let alone two cups. That is probably the only food that I eat on a daily basis. I eat lots of organic vegetables, grains and fruits. To me the consequences down the line of not having adequate B12 isn't worth not taking the supplement. I never have to worry. Here the smallest dosage of B12 I can get is 1000 mcg which is of course way over board. Most people I know take that only a couple of times a week since the body will store some B12 and dump the rest. You don't have to worry about overdosing with B12. My daily vegan all purpose vitamin has B12 in it, but it goes through my digestive process. So I supplement. Also, at least here, B12 is so darned cheap... I paid $5.25 for 50 lozenges, 1000 mcg, Vegan B12, by VegLife and it is supplemented with 400 mcg of folic acid. Since I only take one twice a week that is certainly less expensive than drinking soy milk. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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