Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 They obviously new what they liked and what was good for them Jo - Jonnie Hellens Monday, December 05, 2005 8:56 PM Re: Re: Vegan Pets A place I used to go to regularly for breakfast, has an outside patio. There were some very large birds who liked to steal the splenda packets and sometimes the sugar (but never any of the pink packets!) and would eat them. They also took the jelly packets opened them and enjoyed.fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: not sure wot a butty bag is...but, its general inteligence, not tool useif the bird had used a stick to open the bag er somesuch, that would be tool use...herbvalerian <herbvalerianDec 5, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Vegan PetsPassing thru a back lane in Newcastle this morning we stopped to watch a blackbird getting the crumbs from a butty bag. He grabbed the butty bag with his beak amd shook it and then tossed it aside. He then ate the crumbs that he had shaken on the ground. He then picked up the bag again and repeated the process. We watched him do this about 5 times but we did have to get home, so we started along the the lane towards him, unfortunately the lane was not wide enough to go round him. My friend shook the rest of the crumbs out the bag and replaced the bag where it was, in order not to piss the blackbird off.Hopefully he wasn't too shy and returned for them. Does this count as "tool use" or is it just intelligence? , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> I love birds, too. I have feeders all around the> house and put things in my organic garden to help get> them through the winter. You just leave the seed heads> on when you do the fall cleanup. Crows are lovely, but> it's too bad they like to attack nests. I was lucky> to see a sparrow hawk in my own yard, he/she was in> the bushes after the sparrows when I stopped to see> what all the fuss was about. He/she flew out (empty> footed) and landed nearby and let me get a good look> at him/her. It was awsome!> > Wee and Poo are important considerations when you have> any pet! Ha! I keep a box of tissues handy. The> books say you can train your bird to go on demand by> putting him on his cage every 15 minutes, but I> personally think that's training yourself and I don't> want to spend my bird time watching the clock instead> of playing with the bird. It's a small sacrifice and> easy cleanup. When in thier nest, baby birds will> usually back up to the edge of the nest and poo over> the side to avoid soiling the living quarters. My> bird fluffs up and backs up, so I know when a bomb is> about to hit! He tries to miss me but often fails. I> wish he had one of those vehicle back-up signals to> warn me! The only other thing about cockatiels (and> cockatoos) that I wasn't aware of when I got him was> that they have a very fine feather powder they use> when they groom (in addition to the preen gland oil)> and when he fluffs out the powder poofs out just like> a powder puff or Pigpen on Charlie Brown. I bought an> air filter and it seems to help. On the other side,> think of all the stuff we expose our pets to! I think> it's a fair trade. When he is on my lap and I start> playing music conductor with my hands he starts> whistling tunes; when I put my hands down he stops;> when I start again, he starts again. Too cute! I've> made arrangements for one of my daughters to take my> bird upon my death should he outlive me (they live for> 17-20 years and my vet had one coming in until it was> 32!). If you can make arrangements for someone to> take over for you should your condition change, I> highly recommend getting a pet. Pets are very> healing. They alieve lonliness and they cause the> release of healing/mood elevating endorphins in your> body and you have an opportunity to give a pet love> and care. Susan> > --- herbvalerian <herbvalerian> wrote:> > > Your bird sounds lovely. I would love to give a home> > to a rescued bird but I am not well > > myself and I worry I would not always be able to> > look after it properly. I love to watch wild > > birds, fortunately there are quite a lot where I> > live, I love the crow family in particular. I > > find that if I have the right attitude when I walk> > past them they don't fly off and just ignore > > me, I like that!> > How does it work when he wants a wee or poo? Does he> > drop it anywhere? Sorry if this > > sounds a stupid question but I have wondered about> > this one!> > > > , Susan> > <oceanfest_2000> wrote:> > >> > > My bird eats fruits and veggies now, but he didn't> > > like them when I first brought him home. He also> > gets> > > dehydrated veggies. My avian vet and the general> > > consensus seems to be to keep your bird on formula> > > food; however, when I read the ingredients I> > decided> > > against it. Not enough variety (mostly wheat and> > soy> > > with supplementation) and pleasure is supposed to> > be> > > part of eating. The reason for the formula food> > was> > > that some birds will only pick out the seed they> > like> > > and leave the rest and therefore, have an> > unblanced> > > diet. My bird eats a variety of seeds/grains. He> > is> > > out when I'm home (not when I'm gone so he can't> > get> > > into something that will harm him--birds have> > drowned> > > in a glass half full of water, or when someone> > forgot> > > to put the toilet lid down--kinda like you> > childproof> > > for a two year old but they still find something> > to> > > get into). I haven't decided to get him a> > companion> > > yet, tiels are one of the few hook beaks that can> > do> > > o.k. alone as long as you are willing to be> > his/her> > > flock and spend time with him. And believe me, he> > > roosts on me so much I feel like a tree! > > Sometimes I> > > wonder how he manages to stay on when I'm cleaning> > > house. I still don't like looking at him caged.> > That> > > bothers me and because of that I'm not sure if I> > would> > > get another bird after him . . . .but then again,> > he> > > goes in on his own and considers it home. susan > > > > > > --- herbvalerian <herbvalerian> wrote:> > > > > > > Is seed the best food for cockatiels? I read> > they> > > > should be fed on vegetables> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> http://www.petpublishing.com/birdtimes/articles/tielfood.shtml> > > > > > > > There loads on the internet about feeding all> > soets> > > > of pets.> > > > > > > > My other half and I have also talked about> > animals> > > > as pets. We are opposed to the per > > > > industry but think its ok to keep a rescued> > animal> > > > from a shelter as long as you treat it > > > > properly. We think a pet bird should have room> > to> > > > fly about and do its natural thing. Many > > > > birds are social animals so we would not agree> > with > > > > keeping one in a cage on its own.> > > > > > > > > > > > , Susan> > > > <oceanfest_2000> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > This is one of the issues I'm struggling with> > as a> > > > > vegan. I know that some vegans don't believe> > in> > > > > keeping animals as pets and I understand their> > > > > reasoning and tend to agree with some of it. > > I> > > > tend> > > > > to lean away from breeding and selling animals> > as> > > > pets> > > > > when there are plenty that need to be rescued.> > I> > > > > rescued a cockatiel in July (they are no> > longer> > > > > exported from Australia and therefore, it it> > > > weren't> > > > > for a breeder somewhere I wouldn't have had a> > > > > cockatiel to resuce--ambiguity is my life--). > > > > Anyway,> > > > > I have been having a hard time finding bird> > seed> > > > (I> > > > > don't like the formula stuff) that is vegan. > > Most> > > > of> > > > > it has shell in it for calcium. I also, until> > my> > > > > divorce 15 years ago, have always had dogs.> > I'm> > > > > considering getting one but have had to think> > > > about> > > > > the ethical/health issues for the dog if I get> > > > one. I> > > > > couldn't feed a dog it's natural diet if it> > > > included> > > > > meat, so I am thinking that I may not be able> > to> > > > have> > > > > a dog; alternatively, I could volunteer my> > time> > > > > working with dogs at the shelter. At least> > the> > > > bird> > > > > is vegan. I hope I can find a seed mix that> > is> > > > vegan.> > > > > If I mix it myself, it may not be> > nutritionally> > > > > balanced; however, I already give him what I> > eat> > > > > pretty often--whole grains, wild rice, semsame> > > > > seeds(calcium), pumpkin seeds (vitamin A),> > etc.> > > > but> > > > > I'm also still using the commercial stuff. He> > > > does> > > > > look and act healthier. Oh well. Does anyone> > > > know> > > > > where one can get vegan pet food? Most of the> > > > sites I> > > > > found have dog/cat but not bird. Thanks. > > Susan> > > > > > > > > > --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > we actually are were raising one of our dogs> > > > veg.> > > > > > since she had a food allergy,she has since> > been> > > > now> > > > > > able to eat other stuff but people thought> > we> > > > were> > > > > > crazy saying we have a vegetarian dog,I was> > like> > > > at> > > > > > least I have someone in my family that eats> > like> > > > > > me(hahahah)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > > > dsl.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > dsl.> > >> > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs>To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Jut in case people start thinking its a good idea to leave food packets out for animals to finish off, some animals will choke or smother themselves on them. Corvids and blackbirds seem particularly adept at getting scraps, but they are as intelligent as human childen are. Check out " Bird Brains " by Candace Savage. My friend found a hedgehog running round in the middle of the road in the dark with a plastic food container stuck on its head, it had obviously tried to finish off the food and then couldn't get its head back out. My friend managed to free its head and the hedgehog ran off. , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens> wrote: > > A place I used to go to regularly for breakfast, has an outside patio. There were some very large birds who liked to steal the splenda packets and sometimes the sugar (but never any of the pink packets!) and would eat them. They also took the jelly packets opened them and enjoyed. > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@e...> wrote: not sure wot a butty bag is...but, its general inteligence, not tool use > if the bird had used a stick to open the bag er somesuch, that would be tool use... > > > > herbvalerian <herbvalerian> > Dec 5, 2005 6:41 AM > > Re: Vegan Pets > > Passing thru a back lane in Newcastle this morning we stopped to watch a blackbird > getting the crumbs from a butty bag. He grabbed the butty bag with his beak amd shook it > and then tossed it aside. He then ate the crumbs that he had shaken on the ground. He > then picked up the bag again and repeated the process. We watched him do this about 5 > times but we did have to get home, so we started along the the lane towards him, > unfortunately the lane was not wide enough to go round him. My friend shook the rest of > the crumbs out the bag and replaced the bag where it was, in order not to piss the > blackbird off. > Hopefully he wasn't too shy and returned for them. Does this count as " tool use " or is it > just intelligence? > > , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > I love birds, too. I have feeders all around the > > house and put things in my organic garden to help get > > them through the winter. You just leave the seed heads > > on when you do the fall cleanup. Crows are lovely, but > > it's too bad they like to attack nests. I was lucky > > to see a sparrow hawk in my own yard, he/she was in > > the bushes after the sparrows when I stopped to see > > what all the fuss was about. He/she flew out (empty > > footed) and landed nearby and let me get a good look > > at him/her. It was awsome! > > > > Wee and Poo are important considerations when you have > > any pet! Ha! I keep a box of tissues handy. The > > books say you can train your bird to go on demand by > > putting him on his cage every 15 minutes, but I > > personally think that's training yourself and I don't > > want to spend my bird time watching the clock instead > > of playing with the bird. It's a small sacrifice and > > easy cleanup. When in thier nest, baby birds will > > usually back up to the edge of the nest and poo over > > the side to avoid soiling the living quarters. My > > bird fluffs up and backs up, so I know when a bomb is > > about to hit! He tries to miss me but often fails. I > > wish he had one of those vehicle back-up signals to > > warn me! The only other thing about cockatiels (and > > cockatoos) that I wasn't aware of when I got him was > > that they have a very fine feather powder they use > > when they groom (in addition to the preen gland oil) > > and when he fluffs out the powder poofs out just like > > a powder puff or Pigpen on Charlie Brown. I bought an > > air filter and it seems to help. On the other side, > > think of all the stuff we expose our pets to! I think > > it's a fair trade. When he is on my lap and I start > > playing music conductor with my hands he starts > > whistling tunes; when I put my hands down he stops; > > when I start again, he starts again. Too cute! I've > > made arrangements for one of my daughters to take my > > bird upon my death should he outlive me (they live for > > 17-20 years and my vet had one coming in until it was > > 32!). If you can make arrangements for someone to > > take over for you should your condition change, I > > highly recommend getting a pet. Pets are very > > healing. They alieve lonliness and they cause the > > release of healing/mood elevating endorphins in your > > body and you have an opportunity to give a pet love > > and care. Susan > > > > --- herbvalerian <herbvalerian> wrote: > > > > > Your bird sounds lovely. I would love to give a home > > > to a rescued bird but I am not well > > > myself and I worry I would not always be able to > > > look after it properly. I love to watch wild > > > birds, fortunately there are quite a lot where I > > > live, I love the crow family in particular. I > > > find that if I have the right attitude when I walk > > > past them they don't fly off and just ignore > > > me, I like that! > > > How does it work when he wants a wee or poo? Does he > > > drop it anywhere? Sorry if this > > > sounds a stupid question but I have wondered about > > > this one! > > > > > > , Susan > > > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > My bird eats fruits and veggies now, but he didn't > > > > like them when I first brought him home. He also > > > gets > > > > dehydrated veggies. My avian vet and the general > > > > consensus seems to be to keep your bird on formula > > > > food; however, when I read the ingredients I > > > decided > > > > against it. Not enough variety (mostly wheat and > > > soy > > > > with supplementation) and pleasure is supposed to > > > be > > > > part of eating. The reason for the formula food > > > was > > > > that some birds will only pick out the seed they > > > like > > > > and leave the rest and therefore, have an > > > unblanced > > > > diet. My bird eats a variety of seeds/grains. He > > > is > > > > out when I'm home (not when I'm gone so he can't > > > get > > > > into something that will harm him--birds have > > > drowned > > > > in a glass half full of water, or when someone > > > forgot > > > > to put the toilet lid down--kinda like you > > > childproof > > > > for a two year old but they still find something > > > to > > > > get into). I haven't decided to get him a > > > companion > > > > yet, tiels are one of the few hook beaks that can > > > do > > > > o.k. alone as long as you are willing to be > > > his/her > > > > flock and spend time with him. And believe me, he > > > > roosts on me so much I feel like a tree! > > > Sometimes I > > > > wonder how he manages to stay on when I'm cleaning > > > > house. I still don't like looking at him caged. > > > That > > > > bothers me and because of that I'm not sure if I > > > would > > > > get another bird after him . . . .but then again, > > > he > > > > goes in on his own and considers it home. susan > > > > > > > > --- herbvalerian <herbvalerian> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Is seed the best food for cockatiels? I read > > > they > > > > > should be fed on vegetables > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.petpublishing.com/birdtimes/articles/tielfood.shtml > > > > > > > > > > There loads on the internet about feeding all > > > soets > > > > > of pets. > > > > > > > > > > My other half and I have also talked about > > > animals > > > > > as pets. We are opposed to the per > > > > > industry but think its ok to keep a rescued > > > animal > > > > > from a shelter as long as you treat it > > > > > properly. We think a pet bird should have room > > > to > > > > > fly about and do its natural thing. Many > > > > > birds are social animals so we would not agree > > > with > > > > > keeping one in a cage on its own. > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > > > > , Susan > > > > > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > This is one of the issues I'm struggling with > > > as a > > > > > > vegan. I know that some vegans don't believe > > > in > > > > > > keeping animals as pets and I understand their > > > > > > reasoning and tend to agree with some of it. > > > I > > > > > tend > > > > > > to lean away from breeding and selling animals > > > as > > > > > pets > > > > > > when there are plenty that need to be rescued. > > > I > > > > > > rescued a cockatiel in July (they are no > > > longer > > > > > > exported from Australia and therefore, it it > > > > > weren't > > > > > > for a breeder somewhere I wouldn't have had a > > > > > > cockatiel to resuce--ambiguity is my life--). > > > > > Anyway, > > > > > > I have been having a hard time finding bird > > > seed > > > > > (I > > > > > > don't like the formula stuff) that is vegan. > > > Most > > > > > of > > > > > > it has shell in it for calcium. I also, until > > > my > > > > > > divorce 15 years ago, have always had dogs. > > > I'm > > > > > > considering getting one but have had to think > > > > > about > > > > > > the ethical/health issues for the dog if I get > > > > > one. I > > > > > > couldn't feed a dog it's natural diet if it > > > > > included > > > > > > meat, so I am thinking that I may not be able > > > to > > > > > have > > > > > > a dog; alternatively, I could volunteer my > > > time > > > > > > working with dogs at the shelter. At least > > > the > > > > > bird > > > > > > is vegan. I hope I can find a seed mix that > > > is > > > > > vegan. > > > > > > If I mix it myself, it may not be > > > nutritionally > > > > > > balanced; however, I already give him what I > > > eat > > > > > > pretty often--whole grains, wild rice, semsame > > > > > > seeds(calcium), pumpkin seeds (vitamin A), > > > etc. > > > > > but > > > > > > I'm also still using the commercial stuff. He > > > > > does > > > > > > look and act healthier. Oh well. Does anyone > > > > > know > > > > > > where one can get vegan pet food? Most of the > > > > > sites I > > > > > > found have dog/cat but not bird. Thanks. > > > Susan > > > > > > > > > > > > --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > we actually are were raising one of our dogs > > > > > veg. > > > > > > > since she had a food allergy,she has since > > > been > > > > > now > > > > > > > able to eat other stuff but people thought > > > we > > > > > were > > > > > > > crazy saying we have a vegetarian dog,I was > > > like > > > > > at > > > > > > > least I have someone in my family that eats > > > like > > > > > > > me(hahahah) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > > > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > === message truncated === > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > > http://www./r/hs > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Yeah, that's what I said. Not even the birds want to eat those nasty cancer causing packets!jo <jo.heartwork wrote: They obviously new what they liked and what was good for them Jo - Jonnie Hellens Monday, December 05, 2005 8:56 PM Re: Re: Vegan Pets A place I used to go to regularly for breakfast, has an outside patio. There were some very large birds who liked to steal the splenda packets and sometimes the sugar (but never any of the pink packets!) and would eat them. They also took the jelly packets opened them and enjoyed.fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: not sure wot a butty bag is...but, its general inteligence, not tool useif the bird had used a stick to open the bag er somesuch, that would be tool use...herbvalerian <herbvalerianDec 5, 2005 6:41 AM Subject: Re: Vegan PetsPassing thru a back lane in Newcastle this morning we stopped to watch a blackbird getting the crumbs from a butty bag. He grabbed the butty bag with his beak amd shook it and then tossed it aside. He then ate the crumbs that he had shaken on the ground. He then picked up the bag again and repeated the process. We watched him do this about 5 times but we did have to get home, so we started along the the lane towards him, unfortunately the lane was not wide enough to go round him. My friend shook the rest of the crumbs out the bag and replaced the bag where it was, in order not to piss the blackbird off.Hopefully he wasn't too shy and returned for them. Does this count as "tool use" or is it just intelligence?--- In , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote:>> I love birds, too. I have feeders all around the> house and put things in my organic garden to help get> them through the winter. You just leave the seed heads> on when you do the fall cleanup. Crows are lovely, but> it's too bad they like to attack nests. I was lucky> to see a sparrow hawk in my own yard, he/she was in> the bushes after the sparrows when I stopped to see> what all the fuss was about. He/she flew out (empty> footed) and landed nearby and let me get a good look> at him/her. It was awsome!> > Wee and Poo are important considerations when you have> any pet! Ha! I keep a box of tissues handy. The> books say you can train your bird to go on demand by> putting him on his cage every 15 minutes, but I> personally think that's training yourself and I don't> want to spend my bird time watching the clock instead> of playing with the bird. It's a small sacrifice and> easy cleanup. When in thier nest, baby birds will> usually back up to the edge of the nest and poo over> the side to avoid soiling the living quarters. My> bird fluffs up and backs up, so I know when a bomb is> about to hit! He tries to miss me but often fails. I> wish he had one of those vehicle back-up signals to> warn me! The only other thing about cockatiels (and> cockatoos) that I wasn't aware of when I got him was> that they have a very fine feather powder they use> when they groom (in addition to the preen gland oil)> and when he fluffs out the powder poofs out just like> a powder puff or Pigpen on Charlie Brown. I bought an> air filter and it seems to help. On the other side,> think of all the stuff we expose our pets to! I think> it's a fair trade. When he is on my lap and I start> playing music conductor with my hands he starts> whistling tunes; when I put my hands down he stops;> when I start again, he starts again. Too cute! I've> made arrangements for one of my daughters to take my> bird upon my death should he outlive me (they live for> 17-20 years and my vet had one coming in until it was> 32!). If you can make arrangements for someone to> take over for you should your condition change, I> highly recommend getting a pet. Pets are very> healing. They alieve lonliness and they cause the> release of healing/mood elevating endorphins in your> body and you have an opportunity to give a pet love> and care. Susan> > --- herbvalerian <herbvalerian> wrote:> > > Your bird sounds lovely. I would love to give a home> > to a rescued bird but I am not well > > myself and I worry I would not always be able to> > look after it properly. I love to watch wild > > birds, fortunately there are quite a lot where I> > live, I love the crow family in particular. I > > find that if I have the right attitude when I walk> > past them they don't fly off and just ignore > > me, I like that!> > How does it work when he wants a wee or poo? Does he> > drop it anywhere? Sorry if this > > sounds a stupid question but I have wondered about> > this one!> > > > , Susan> > <oceanfest_2000> wrote:> > >> > > My bird eats fruits and veggies now, but he didn't> > > like them when I first brought him home. He also> > gets> > > dehydrated veggies. My avian vet and the general> > > consensus seems to be to keep your bird on formula> > > food; however, when I read the ingredients I> > decided> > > against it. Not enough variety (mostly wheat and> > soy> > > with supplementation) and pleasure is supposed to> > be> > > part of eating. The reason for the formula food> > was> > > that some birds will only pick out the seed they> > like> > > and leave the rest and therefore, have an> > unblanced> > > diet. My bird eats a variety of seeds/grains. He> > is> > > out when I'm home (not when I'm gone so he can't> > get> > > into something that will harm him--birds have> > drowned> > > in a glass half full of water, or when someone> > forgot> > > to put the toilet lid down--kinda like you> > childproof> > > for a two year old but they still find something> > to> > > get into). I haven't decided to get him a> > companion> > > yet, tiels are one of the few hook beaks that can> > do> > > o.k. alone as long as you are willing to be> > his/her> > > flock and spend time with him. And believe me, he> > > roosts on me so much I feel like a tree! > > Sometimes I> > > wonder how he manages to stay on when I'm cleaning> > > house. I still don't like looking at him caged.> > That> > > bothers me and because of that I'm not sure if I> > would> > > get another bird after him . . . .but then again,> > he> > > goes in on his own and considers it home. susan > > > > > > --- herbvalerian <herbvalerian> wrote:> > > > > > > Is seed the best food for cockatiels? I read> > they> > > > should be fed on vegetables> > > > > > > > > > > >> > >> >> http://www.petpublishing.com/birdtimes/articles/tielfood.shtml> > > > > > > > There loads on the internet about feeding all> > soets> > > > of pets.> > > > > > > > My other half and I have also talked about> > animals> > > > as pets. We are opposed to the per > > > > industry but think its ok to keep a rescued> > animal> > > > from a shelter as long as you treat it > > > > properly. We think a pet bird should have room> > to> > > > fly about and do its natural thing. Many > > > > birds are social animals so we would not agree> > with > > > > keeping one in a cage on its own.> > > > > > > > > > > > , Susan> > > > <oceanfest_2000> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > This is one of the issues I'm struggling with> > as a> > > > > vegan. I know that some vegans don't believe> > in> > > > > keeping animals as pets and I understand their> > > > > reasoning and tend to agree with some of it. > > I> > > > tend> > > > > to lean away from breeding and selling animals> > as> > > > pets> > > > > when there are plenty that need to be rescued.> > I> > > > > rescued a cockatiel in July (they are no> > longer> > > > > exported from Australia and therefore, it it> > > > weren't> > > > > for a breeder somewhere I wouldn't have had a> > > > > cockatiel to resuce--ambiguity is my life--). > > > > Anyway,> > > > > I have been having a hard time finding bird> > seed> > > > (I> > > > > don't like the formula stuff) that is vegan. > > Most> > > > of> > > > > it has shell in it for calcium. I also, until> > my> > > > > divorce 15 years ago, have always had dogs.> > I'm> > > > > considering getting one but have had to think> > > > about> > > > > the ethical/health issues for the dog if I get> > > > one. I> > > > > couldn't feed a dog it's natural diet if it> > > > included> > > > > meat, so I am thinking that I may not be able> > to> > > > have> > > > > a dog; alternatively, I could volunteer my> > time> > > > > working with dogs at the shelter. At least> > the> > > > bird> > > > > is vegan. I hope I can find a seed mix that> > is> > > > vegan.> > > > > If I mix it myself, it may not be> > nutritionally> > > > > balanced; however, I already give him what I> > eat> > > > > pretty often--whole grains, wild rice, semsame> > > > > seeds(calcium), pumpkin seeds (vitamin A),> > etc.> > > > but> > > > > I'm also still using the commercial stuff. He> > > > does> > > > > look and act healthier. Oh well. Does anyone> > > > know> > > > > where one can get vegan pet food? Most of the> > > > sites I> > > > > found have dog/cat but not bird. Thanks. > > Susan> > > > > > > > > > --- sandi gordon <sandisweeti13132001>> > > > > wrote:> > > > > > > > > > > we actually are were raising one of our dogs> > > > veg.> > > > > > since she had a food allergy,she has since> > been> > > > now> > > > > > able to eat other stuff but people thought> > we> > > > were> > > > > > crazy saying we have a vegetarian dog,I was> > like> > > > at> > > > > > least I have someone in my family that eats> > like> > > > > > me(hahahah)> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > > > dsl.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > dsl.> > >> > > > > === message truncated ===> > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > http://www./r/hs>To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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