Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? What is your reason for doing it? Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Wot you askin Jo? I do it because it seems to be the most logical thing to do, for the sake of our children and our childrens children to save resources and stop rubbish dumps taking up more and more space, pollutin the planet more and more. O.K.? The Valley Vegan...............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? What is your reason for doing it? Jo Peter H Win a Vespa NEW - Cars has 3 Vespa LX125s to be won Enter Now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Hi Peter I agree with you - I do it in the hopes that there might be a decent world for my children and theirs etc. Some people on here don't want children, and I wondered what the range of reasons included? BB Jo , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > Wot you askin Jo? > I do it because it seems to be the most logical thing to do, for the sake of our children and our childrens children to save resources and stop rubbish dumps taking up more and more space, pollutin the planet more and more. O.K.? > > The Valley Vegan............... > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? > > What is your reason for doing it? > > Jo > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Hi Jo > We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? > What is your reason for doing it? Well, maybe preaching to the converted here, but for me it is a lot to do with landfill space. From the city I live in every day 10,000 tonnes of waste are taken to land fill. Looking at the amount I recycle, compared to the amount I put in the bin, I reckon that something like 95% of that could be recycled, so... there's a waste of something like 9,500 tonnes of usable material every day in one city alone, and theres a huge amount of land being polluted. Multiply that by all the cities in the "civilised" world, and I'm amazed that we have any room left to bury the rubbish! BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 hmmmm almost an odd question...like askin me " why do you breathe? " just cuz i'm not into havin kids, doesn't mean i'm the only bugger on this lil globe of ours its not just recycling...its reducing, reusing, making do, using less, and recycling there are over 6 billion humans on this lil blue marble in space... and untild gazillions of other beings which inhabit this same space there's only so much to go around it is beyond crass to think of only meself there are a finite amount of resources..even renewables, nothing lasts forever technically..but many things aren't renewable..once you use up all the oil, iron, tin, bauxite, water, etc and so on, its not like a bunch is just gonna appear the use of resources without thought to how its created, the wastes produced while its created, the pollution from mines, and what happens after its created is just plain criminal... its not just the amount of " trash " or rubbish produced, the land fills that are piling higher then the towers of babel.. its also all the wastes produced while manufacturing something...its all the toxic chemicals that leak into the air, water, soil.. how many trees would die if that bit of paper is just tossed out ? wot critters depended on those trees? how much energy does it take to cut down that tree, transport it, pulp it, bleach it? how much water? what happens to everything that lived where that tree was? the soil? the carbon released? what happens to that can tossed out on the side of the road? how much bauxite did it take to make it? how much of a whole did it rip in the earth? how much energy to run the mining equipment? the smelting plant? etc and so forth.... heartwerk <jo.heartwork Dec 4, 2005 11:53 AM Re: Why??? Hi Peter I agree with you - I do it in the hopes that there might be a decent world for my children and theirs etc. Some people on here don't want children, and I wondered what the range of reasons included? BB Jo , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > Wot you askin Jo? > I do it because it seems to be the most logical thing to do, for the sake of our children and our childrens children to save resources and stop rubbish dumps taking up more and more space, pollutin the planet more and more. O.K.? > > The Valley Vegan............... > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? > > What is your reason for doing it? > > Jo > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Hi Fraggle > how many trees would die if that bit of paper is just tossed out ? wot critters depended on those trees? > how much energy does it take to cut down that tree, transport it, pulp it, bleach it? how much water? > what happens to everything that lived where that tree was? the soil? the carbon released? I was watching an old Dr Who the other day, which was set about 3000 years in the future... even back in 1968, someone was giving some thought to this... the world it was set in was in a rather desperate state as it had almost run out of trees - humans were getting more and more desperate to produce all the things that trees used to produce, and were just producing more pollution in the process... BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Hi Fraggle It was the personal reason I was interested in. For you it is other people too. I was interested because there seems to be a fair amount of dislike of non-vegans (not particularly from you), and it will be these people we are doing out best to save the world for. Does this matter to the average vegan, or have they not thought about it in that way. What do you reckon??? BB Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:41 PM Re: Re: Why??? > hmmmm > almost an odd question...like askin me " why do you breathe? " > just cuz i'm not into havin kids, doesn't mean i'm the only bugger on this lil globe of ours > > its not just recycling...its reducing, reusing, making do, using less, and recycling > > there are over 6 billion humans on this lil blue marble in space... > and untild gazillions of other beings which inhabit this same space > there's only so much to go around > it is beyond crass to think of only meself > there are a finite amount of resources..even renewables, nothing lasts forever technically..but many things aren't renewable..once you use up all the oil, iron, tin, bauxite, water, etc and so on, its not like a bunch is just gonna appear > the use of resources without thought to how its created, the wastes produced while its created, the pollution from mines, and what happens after its created is just plain criminal... > > its not just the amount of " trash " or rubbish produced, the land fills that are piling higher then the towers of babel.. > > its also all the wastes produced while manufacturing something...its all the toxic chemicals that leak into the air, water, soil.. > > how many trees would die if that bit of paper is just tossed out ? wot critters depended on those trees? > how much energy does it take to cut down that tree, transport it, pulp it, bleach it? how much water? > what happens to everything that lived where that tree was? the soil? the carbon released? > > what happens to that can tossed out on the side of the road? > how much bauxite did it take to make it? how much of a whole did it rip in the earth? how much energy to run the mining equipment? the smelting plant? > > etc and so forth.... > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Dec 4, 2005 11:53 AM > > Re: Why??? > > Hi Peter > > I agree with you - I do it in the hopes that there might be a decent > world for my children and theirs etc. > > Some people on here don't want children, and I wondered what the range > of reasons included? > > BB > Jo > > , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > > Wot you askin Jo? > > I do it because it seems to be the most logical thing to do, for > the sake of our children and our childrens children to save resources > and stop rubbish dumps taking up more and more space, pollutin the > planet more and more. O.K.? > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? > > > > What is your reason for doing it? > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I think Dr Who often had environmental/ethical points to make. BB Jo (p.s. - can't wait for the new series :-) ) - " Peter " <metalscarab Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:57 PM Re: Re: Why??? > Hi Fraggle > > > how many trees would die if that bit of paper is just tossed out ? wot > critters depended on those trees? > > how much energy does it take to cut down that tree, transport it, pulp it, > bleach it? how much water? > > what happens to everything that lived where that tree was? the soil? the > carbon released? > > I was watching an old Dr Who the other day, which was set about 3000 years > in the future... even back in 1968, someone was giving some thought to > this... the world it was set in was in a rather desperate state as it had > almost run out of trees - humans were getting more and more desperate to > produce all the things that trees used to produce, and were just producing > more pollution in the process... > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 its not just ppl i'm *saving* the world for besides..i can't save the world... it'll be here no matter wot i do i just don't feel its right to destroy wot does exist today...tis all...and to leave something besides a brusied and battered planet... jo <jo.heartwork Dec 4, 2005 2:14 PM Re: Re: Why??? Hi Fraggle It was the personal reason I was interested in. For you it is other people too. I was interested because there seems to be a fair amount of dislike of non-vegans (not particularly from you), and it will be these people we are doing out best to save the world for. Does this matter to the average vegan, or have they not thought about it in that way. What do you reckon??? BB Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:41 PM Re: Re: Why??? > hmmmm > almost an odd question...like askin me " why do you breathe? " > just cuz i'm not into havin kids, doesn't mean i'm the only bugger on this lil globe of ours > > its not just recycling...its reducing, reusing, making do, using less, and recycling > > there are over 6 billion humans on this lil blue marble in space... > and untild gazillions of other beings which inhabit this same space > there's only so much to go around > it is beyond crass to think of only meself > there are a finite amount of resources..even renewables, nothing lasts forever technically..but many things aren't renewable..once you use up all the oil, iron, tin, bauxite, water, etc and so on, its not like a bunch is just gonna appear > the use of resources without thought to how its created, the wastes produced while its created, the pollution from mines, and what happens after its created is just plain criminal... > > its not just the amount of " trash " or rubbish produced, the land fills that are piling higher then the towers of babel.. > > its also all the wastes produced while manufacturing something...its all the toxic chemicals that leak into the air, water, soil.. > > how many trees would die if that bit of paper is just tossed out ? wot critters depended on those trees? > how much energy does it take to cut down that tree, transport it, pulp it, bleach it? how much water? > what happens to everything that lived where that tree was? the soil? the carbon released? > > what happens to that can tossed out on the side of the road? > how much bauxite did it take to make it? how much of a whole did it rip in the earth? how much energy to run the mining equipment? the smelting plant? > > etc and so forth.... > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > Dec 4, 2005 11:53 AM > > Re: Why??? > > Hi Peter > > I agree with you - I do it in the hopes that there might be a decent > world for my children and theirs etc. > > Some people on here don't want children, and I wondered what the range > of reasons included? > > BB > Jo > > , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > > Wot you askin Jo? > > I do it because it seems to be the most logical thing to do, for > the sake of our children and our childrens children to save resources > and stop rubbish dumps taking up more and more space, pollutin the > planet more and more. O.K.? > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? > > > > What is your reason for doing it? > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I know we can't 'save' the world - especially with so few people caring about what goes on - that's what got me wondering on the subject. Who will benefit from our actions, if not enough people are doing it, and even if we do it for animals and not people, will we be enough to make it possible for them to be unaffected by the rest of the worl'ds human population? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:26 PM Re: Re: Why??? > its not just ppl i'm *saving* the world for > > besides..i can't save the world... > it'll be here no matter wot i do > i just don't feel its right to destroy wot does exist today...tis all...and to leave something besides a brusied and battered planet... > > > jo <jo.heartwork > Dec 4, 2005 2:14 PM > > Re: Re: Why??? > > Hi Fraggle > > It was the personal reason I was interested in. For you it is other people > too. > > I was interested because there seems to be a fair amount of dislike of > non-vegans (not particularly from you), and it will be these people we are > doing out best to save the world for. Does this matter to the average > vegan, or have they not thought about it in that way. What do you reckon??? > > BB > Jo > > - > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx > > Sunday, December 04, 2005 9:41 PM > Re: Re: Why??? > > > > hmmmm > > almost an odd question...like askin me " why do you breathe? " > > just cuz i'm not into havin kids, doesn't mean i'm the only bugger on this > lil globe of ours > > > > its not just recycling...its reducing, reusing, making do, using less, and > recycling > > > > there are over 6 billion humans on this lil blue marble in space... > > and untild gazillions of other beings which inhabit this same space > > there's only so much to go around > > it is beyond crass to think of only meself > > there are a finite amount of resources..even renewables, nothing lasts > forever technically..but many things aren't renewable..once you use up all > the oil, iron, tin, bauxite, water, etc and so on, its not like a bunch is > just gonna appear > > the use of resources without thought to how its created, the wastes > produced while its created, the pollution from mines, and what happens after > its created is just plain criminal... > > > > its not just the amount of " trash " or rubbish produced, the land fills > that are piling higher then the towers of babel.. > > > > its also all the wastes produced while manufacturing something...its all > the toxic chemicals that leak into the air, water, soil.. > > > > how many trees would die if that bit of paper is just tossed out ? wot > critters depended on those trees? > > how much energy does it take to cut down that tree, transport it, pulp it, > bleach it? how much water? > > what happens to everything that lived where that tree was? the soil? the > carbon released? > > > > what happens to that can tossed out on the side of the road? > > how much bauxite did it take to make it? how much of a whole did it rip in > the earth? how much energy to run the mining equipment? the smelting plant? > > > > etc and so forth.... > > > > > > > > > > heartwerk <jo.heartwork > > Dec 4, 2005 11:53 AM > > > > Re: Why??? > > > > Hi Peter > > > > I agree with you - I do it in the hopes that there might be a decent > > world for my children and theirs etc. > > > > Some people on here don't want children, and I wondered what the range > > of reasons included? > > > > BB > > Jo > > > > , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote: > > > > > > Wot you askin Jo? > > > I do it because it seems to be the most logical thing to do, for > > the sake of our children and our childrens children to save resources > > and stop rubbish dumps taking up more and more space, pollutin the > > planet more and more. O.K.? > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............... > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > > We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we do it? > > > > > > What is your reason for doing it? > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Because not doing is less than I can do. --- jo <jo.heartwork wrote: > We recycle, etc. etc. to save the world. Why do we > do it? > > What is your reason for doing it? > > Jo > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 depends on who you mean by " we " personally..if you haven't noticed, i'm pretty much convinced its all pretty futile... a huge global calamity is in the offing..... doesn't mean i, or we, shouldn't keep trying.... if ya did, then why bother doing anything? even if *we* are saving the world for *them*(they? those?), its not like we are doing it for a pat on the back and a hearty " thanx and job well done " , correct? so, it really doesn't matter if we are workin on saving it for others, no matter wot their stripe.... i would guess..... jo <jo.heartwork Dec 4, 2005 3:02 PM Re: Re: Why??? I know we can't 'save' the world - especially with so few people caring about what goes on - that's what got me wondering on the subject. Who will benefit from our actions, if not enough people are doing it, and even if we do it for animals and not people, will we be enough to make it possible for them to be unaffected by the rest of the worl'ds human population? Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Sunday, December 04, 2005 10:26 PM Re: Re: Why??? > its not just ppl i'm *saving* the world for > > besides..i can't save the world... > it'll be here no matter wot i do > i just don't feel its right to destroy wot does exist today...tis all...and to leave something besides a brusied and battered planet... > " Just as nightfall does not come at once, neither does oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is in such twilight that we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we become unwilling victims of the darkness. " William O. Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I have one of Gandhi's sayings by my computer and of course it is my tag line below and I keep it in my head all of the time...it is so true. "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi - fraggle depends on who you mean by "we"personally..if you haven't noticed, i'm pretty much convinced its all pretty futile...a huge global calamity is in the offing.....doesn't mean i, or we, shouldn't keep trying....if ya did, then why bother doing anything?even if *we* are saving the world for *them*(they? those?), its not like we are doing it for a pat on the back and a hearty "thanx and job well done", correct?so, it really doesn't matter if we are workin on saving it for others, no matter wot their stripe....i would guess.....jo <jo.heartworkDec 4, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Re: Why???I know we can't 'save' the world - especially with so few people caringabout what goes on - that's what got me wondering on the subject. Who willbenefit from our actions, if not enough people are doing it, and even if wedo it for animals and not people, will we be enough to make it possible forthem to be unaffected by the rest of the worl'ds human population?Jo-"fraggle" <EBbrewpunxSunday, December 04, 2005 10:26 PMRe: Re: Why???> its not just ppl i'm *saving* the world for>> besides..i can't save the world...> it'll be here no matter wot i do> i just don't feel its right to destroy wot does exist today...tisall...and to leave something besides a brusied and battered planet...>"Just as nightfall does not come at once, neitherdoes oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is in such twilightthat we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we becomeunwilling victims of the darkness."William O. Douglas Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Hi Susan > Because not doing is less than I can do. I may have to borrow that phrase sometime :-)... sort of goes with my personal favourite... " if I don't, maybe no-one else will " :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Many people don't do something until it affects them personally. Many feel that someone else will do it. As our world gets worse and worse, more people will start doing something, but will it be too little too late? fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: depends on who you mean by "we"personally..if you haven't noticed, i'm pretty much convinced its all pretty futile...a huge global calamity is in the offing.....doesn't mean i, or we, shouldn't keep trying....if ya did, then why bother doing anything?even if *we* are saving the world for *them*(they? those?), its not like we are doing it for a pat on the back and a hearty "thanx and job well done", correct?so, it really doesn't matter if we are workin on saving it for others, no matter wot their stripe....i would guess.....jo <jo.heartworkDec 4, 2005 3:02 PM Subject: Re: Re: Why???I know we can't 'save' the world - especially with so few people caringabout what goes on - that's what got me wondering on the subject. Who willbenefit from our actions, if not enough people are doing it, and even if wedo it for animals and not people, will we be enough to make it possible forthem to be unaffected by the rest of the worl'ds human population?Jo-"fraggle" <EBbrewpunxSunday, December 04, 2005 10:26 PMRe: Re: Why???> its not just ppl i'm *saving* the world for>> besides..i can't save the world...> it'll be here no matter wot i do> i just don't feel its right to destroy wot does exist today...tisall...and to leave something besides a brusied and battered planet...>"Just as nightfall does not come at once, neitherdoes oppression. In both instances there is a twilight. And it is in such twilightthat we all must be aware of change in the air - however slight - lest we becomeunwilling victims of the darkness."William O. Douglas Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Hi Jo Or sure, just rub it in! Are you going to dis-own me because I don't get the new series here too? **sniffle, sniffle** BB Nikki - who is only ribbing Jo , " jo " <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > I think Dr Who often had environmental/ethical points to make. > > BB > Jo > (p.s. - can't wait for the new series :-) ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Indeed not - but when you do get to see them, we can have a good chat about them. I'm getting all excited - like a little kid :-) BB Jo - " earthstrm " <earthstorm Wednesday, December 07, 2005 3:39 PM Re: Why??? > Hi Jo > > Or sure, just rub it in! Are you going to dis-own me because I don't > get the new series here too? > > **sniffle, sniffle** > > BB > Nikki - who is only ribbing Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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