Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have no choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until they kill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them every single day of their short life. You are right those obligate carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely no comparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do to get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on that one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factory farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the "sense of proportion" argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to put fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. But hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that. Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With this sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room? linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi jo I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of the things Ican never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey, tigersetc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans for doing thesame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 I presume by your answer that you don't mind people hunting as that doesn't involve any more cruelty than an animal killing another. Jo , " linda " <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have no choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until they kill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them every single day of their short life. You are right those obligate carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely no comparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do to get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on that one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factory farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to put fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. But hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that. Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With this sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room? > linda > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " > Mohandas Gandhi > > jo > I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of the things I > can never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey, tigers > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans for doing the > same. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 Well, one must never presume anything. However, your question is not logically connected to the original topic. Has no bearing. Red herring. We are still not obligate carnivores and the animals you brought up are. There is no way to try to connect humans and obligate carnivores. How did you miss that? linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - heartwerk Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:44 AM Re: Sense of proportion I presume by your answer that you don't mind people hunting as thatdoesn't involve any more cruelty than an animal killing another.Jo , "linda" <lindai81@c...> wrote:>> Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have nochoice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until theykill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them everysingle day of their short life. You are right those obligatecarnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely nocomparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do toget our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on thatone 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factoryfarms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs,chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the"sense of proportion" argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to putfur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. Buthey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that.Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With thissense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room?> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important thatyou do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > jo > I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of thethings I> can never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey,tigers> etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans fordoing the> same.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2005 Report Share Posted December 4, 2005 If you reread your answer you will see that my question has every bearing. Jo , " linda " <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > Well, one must never presume anything. However, your question is not logically connected to the original topic. Has no bearing. Red herring. We are still not obligate carnivores and the animals you brought up are. There is no way to try to connect humans and obligate carnivores. How did you miss that? > linda > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " > Mohandas Gandhi > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 > - > heartwerk > > Sunday, December 04, 2005 11:44 AM > Re: Sense of proportion > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind people hunting as that > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an animal killing another. > > Jo > > , " linda " <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have no > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until they > kill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them every > single day of their short life. You are right those obligate > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely no > comparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do to > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on that > one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factory > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs, > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to put > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. But > hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that. > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With this > sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room? > > linda > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that > you do it. " > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > jo > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of the > things I > > can never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey, > tigers > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans for > doing the > > same. > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I agree with Linda, but what did you mean by keeping a sense of proportion, Jo? I'm not sure I understand what you meant. Susan --- linda <lindai81 wrote: > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. > They have no choice, we do. > jo > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > porportion. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 A person can choose not to hunt. An animal cannot. That's what makes some animals obligate carnivores. They hunt to survive; people can choose alternatives--they can choose to gather. --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > I presume by your answer that you don't mind people > hunting as that > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an animal > killing another. > > Jo > > , " linda " > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. > They have no > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from > birth until they > kill them never allowing them to live a life, > brutalizing them every > single day of their short life. You are right those > obligate > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is > absolutely no > comparison between an animal doing what is natural > and what we do to > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to > have to work on that > one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on > the factory > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they > are just pigs, > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that > too with the > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China skins > cats alive to put > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it > to the U.S. But > hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing > offensive in that. > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the > line? With this > sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a > Vegan room? > > linda > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is > very important that > you do it. " > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > jo > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > porportion. One of the > things I > > can never understand is that some people love > cats, birds of prey, > tigers > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot > forgive humans for > doing the > > same. > > > > > > > > ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I meant keeping a sense of proportion about how we feel about our loved ones and our close relationships. Linda seems to have, applied the sentence to something else, and read into it that we should all love Hitler, or some such strange notion. Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > I agree with Linda, but what did you mean by keeping a > sense of proportion, Jo? I'm not sure I understand > what you meant. Susan > > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. > > They have no choice, we do. > > > jo > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > porportion. > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 You know - we once had a member here who thought that even tigers could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree with it, but it shows the diversity of thought. Jo , Susan <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal cannot. > That's what makes some animals obligate carnivores. > They hunt to survive; people can choose > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind people > > hunting as that > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an animal > > killing another. > > > > Jo > > > > , " linda " > > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. > > They have no > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from > > birth until they > > kill them never allowing them to live a life, > > brutalizing them every > > single day of their short life. You are right those > > obligate > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is > > absolutely no > > comparison between an animal doing what is natural > > and what we do to > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to > > have to work on that > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on > > the factory > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they > > are just pigs, > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that > > too with the > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China skins > > cats alive to put > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it > > to the U.S. But > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing > > offensive in that. > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the > > line? With this > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a > > Vegan room? > > > linda > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is > > very important that > > you do it. " > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > jo > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > porportion. One of the > > things I > > > can never understand is that some people love > > cats, birds of prey, > > tigers > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot > > forgive humans for > > doing the > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > DSL – Something to write home about. > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > dsl. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Thanks for the clarification, Jo. --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > I meant keeping a sense of proportion about how we > feel about our > loved ones and our close relationships. Linda seems > to have, applied > the sentence to something else, and read into it > that we should all > love Hitler, or some such strange notion. > > Jo > > , Susan > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > I agree with Linda, but what did you mean by > keeping a > > sense of proportion, Jo? I'm not sure I > understand > > what you meant. Susan > > > > --- linda <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > aren't. > > > They have no choice, we do. > > > > > jo > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > porportion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tired of spam? Mail has the best spam > protection around > > > > > > > > > ________ DSL – Something to write home about. Just $16.99/mo. or less. dsl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who knows! :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the lamb and the lion could lie down together peacefully? Now if people would just get it . . . . --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > You know - we once had a member here who thought > that even tigers > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree with > it, but it shows > the diversity of thought. > > Jo > > , Susan > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal cannot. > > That's what makes some animals obligate > carnivores. > > They hunt to survive; people can choose > > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind > people > > > hunting as that > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an animal > > > killing another. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , " linda " > > > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > aren't. > > > They have no > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey > from > > > birth until they > > > kill them never allowing them to live a life, > > > brutalizing them every > > > single day of their short life. You are right > those > > > obligate > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There > is > > > absolutely no > > > comparison between an animal doing what is > natural > > > and what we do to > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to > > > have to work on that > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. > Brutality on > > > the factory > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of > proportion...they > > > are just pigs, > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify > that > > > too with the > > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China > skins > > > cats alive to put > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship > it > > > to the U.S. But > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing > > > offensive in that. > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw > the > > > line? With this > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to be > in a > > > Vegan room? > > > > linda > > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it > is > > > very important that > > > you do it. " > > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > > > jo > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > porportion. One of the > > > things I > > > > can never understand is that some people love > > > cats, birds of prey, > > > tigers > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but > cannot > > > forgive humans for > > > doing the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > dsl. > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I agree. Also the meat most humans in the West eat is disguised to pretend its something else, shrink wrapped and not smelling of anything except plastic. Who has actually gone out and shot an animal and then brought it home and gutted it and skinned it? Very few, and I would say those are more honest meat eaters than those who browse the shrink wrapped sanitised supermarket shelves. The other issue is that most of the poor factory farmed creature is thrown in the bin at the abbatoir. The meat eating public don't even eat it all, just the convenient- to cook bits. , " linda " <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have no choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until they kill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them every single day of their short life. You are right those obligate carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely no comparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do to get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on that one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factory farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to put fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. But hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that. Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With this sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room? > linda > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it. " > Mohandas Gandhi > > jo > I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of the things I > can never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey, tigers > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans for doing the > same. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 One of the things that absolutely horrifies me is the fact that in pet food are the remains of shelter animals that have been euthanized and it is legit. Shelters contract to have these animals picked up, they are sold to pet food manufacturers. This is known because tests on pet foods have shown traces of the medications that they use to put the animal to sleep. This is in the US of course, don't know about anywhere else, but it is a proven fact here. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - herbvalerian Monday, December 05, 2005 7:46 AM Re: Sense of proportion I agree. Also the meat most humans in the West eat is disguised to pretend its something else, shrink wrapped and not smelling of anything except plastic. Who has actually gone out and shot an animal and then brought it home and gutted it and skinned it? Very few, and I would say those are more honest meat eaters than those who browse the shrink wrapped sanitised supermarket shelves. The other issue is that most of the poor factory farmed creature is thrown in the bin at the abbatoir. The meat eating public don't even eat it all, just the convenient- to cook bits. , "linda" <lindai81@c...> wrote:>> Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have no choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until they kill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them every single day of their short life. You are right those obligate carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely no comparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do to get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on that one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factory farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the "sense of proportion" argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to put fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. But hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that. Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With this sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room?> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > jo > I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of the things I> can never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey, tigers> etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans for doing the> same.> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 well..if they somehow evolve tofu antelope... otherwise, think its sorta not gonna happen! Susan <oceanfest_2000 Dec 5, 2005 6:34 AM Re: Re: Sense of proportion Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who knows! :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the lamb and the lion could lie down together peacefully? Now if people would just get it . . . . --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > You know - we once had a member here who thought > that even tigers > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree with > it, but it shows > the diversity of thought. > > Jo > > , Susan > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal cannot. > > That's what makes some animals obligate > carnivores. > > They hunt to survive; people can choose > > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind > people > > > hunting as that > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an animal > > > killing another. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , " linda " > > > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > aren't. > > > They have no > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey > from > > > birth until they > > > kill them never allowing them to live a life, > > > brutalizing them every > > > single day of their short life. You are right > those > > > obligate > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There > is > > > absolutely no > > > comparison between an animal doing what is > natural > > > and what we do to > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to > > > have to work on that > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. > Brutality on > > > the factory > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of > proportion...they > > > are just pigs, > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify > that > > > too with the > > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China > skins > > > cats alive to put > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship > it > > > to the U.S. But > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing > > > offensive in that. > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw > the > > > line? With this > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to be > in a > > > Vegan room? > > > > linda > > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it > is > > > very important that > > > you do it. " > > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > > > jo > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > porportion. One of the > > > things I > > > > can never understand is that some people love > > > cats, birds of prey, > > > tigers > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but > cannot > > > forgive humans for > > > doing the > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > dsl. > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! http://www./r/hs To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I would hope it would taste better that tofu turkey. I thought that was pretty gross. :-( --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > well..if they somehow evolve tofu antelope... > otherwise, think its sorta not gonna happen! > > > > Susan <oceanfest_2000 > Dec 5, 2005 6:34 AM > > Re: Re: Sense of proportion > > Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who knows! > :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the > lamb > and the lion could lie down together peacefully? > Now > if people would just get it . . . . > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > > > You know - we once had a member here who thought > > that even tigers > > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree with > > it, but it shows > > the diversity of thought. > > > > Jo > > > > , Susan > > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal > cannot. > > > That's what makes some animals obligate > > carnivores. > > > They hunt to survive; people can choose > > > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > > > > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind > > people > > > > hunting as that > > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an > animal > > > > killing another. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > , " linda " > > > > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > > aren't. > > > > They have no > > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey > > from > > > > birth until they > > > > kill them never allowing them to live a life, > > > > brutalizing them every > > > > single day of their short life. You are right > > those > > > > obligate > > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. > There > > is > > > > absolutely no > > > > comparison between an animal doing what is > > natural > > > > and what we do to > > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going > to > > > > have to work on that > > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. > > Brutality on > > > > the factory > > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of > > proportion...they > > > > are just pigs, > > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify > > that > > > > too with the > > > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China > > skins > > > > cats alive to put > > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and > ship > > it > > > > to the U.S. But > > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds > nothing > > > > offensive in that. > > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw > > the > > > > line? With this > > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to > be > > in a > > > > Vegan room? > > > > > linda > > > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and > it > > is > > > > very important that > > > > you do it. " > > > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > > > > > jo > > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > > porportion. One of the > > > > things I > > > > > can never understand is that some people > love > > > > cats, birds of prey, > > > > tigers > > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but > > cannot > > > > forgive humans for > > > > doing the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > > http://www./r/hs > > > > To send an email to > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 I wouldnt know , I wouldnt touch anything that tried to resemble taste or texture of flesh.................... The Valley Vegan.................Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: I would hope it would taste better that tofu turkey. Ithought that was pretty gross. :-(--- fraggle wrote:> well..if they somehow evolve tofu antelope...> otherwise, think its sorta not gonna happen!> > > > Susan > Dec 5, 2005 6:34 AM> > Re: Re: Sense of proportion> > Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who knows!> :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the> lamb> and the lion could lie down together peacefully? > Now> if people would just get it . . . . > > --- heartwerk wrote:> > > You know - we once had a member here who thought> > that even tigers > > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree with> > it, but it shows > > the diversity of thought.> > > > Jo> > > > , Susan> > wrote:> > >> > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal> cannot.> > > That's what makes some animals obligate> > carnivores. > > > They hunt to survive; people can choose> > > alternatives--they can choose to gather.> > > > > > --- heartwerk wrote:> > > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind> > people> > > > hunting as that> > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an> animal> > > > killing another.> > > > > > > > Jo> > > > > > > > , "linda"> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we> > aren't.> > > > They have no> > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey> > from> > > > birth until they> > > > kill them never allowing them to live a life,> > > > brutalizing them every> > > > single day of their short life. You are right> > those> > > > obligate> > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals.> There> > is> > > > absolutely no> > > > comparison between an animal doing what is> > natural> > > > and what we do to> > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going> to> > > > have to work on that> > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head.> > Brutality on> > > > the factory> > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of> > proportion...they> > > > are just pigs,> > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify> > that> > > > too with the> > > > "sense of proportion" argument? Gosh, China> > skins> > > > cats alive to put> > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and> ship> > it> > > > to the U.S. But> > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds> nothing> > > > offensive in that.> > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw> > the> > > > line? With this> > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to> be> > in a> > > > Vegan room?> > > > > linda> > > > > "Whatever you do will be insignificant and> it> > is> > > > very important that> > > > you do it."> > > > > Mohandas Gandhi> > > > > > > > > > jo > > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of> > > > porportion. One of the> > > > things I> > > > > can never understand is that some people> love> > > > cats, birds of prey,> > > > tigers> > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but> > cannot> > > > forgive humans for> > > > doing the> > > > > same.> > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > dsl.> > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page!> > http://www./r/hs> > > > To send an email to> - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 which one..tofurky or now and zen's unturkey? Susan <oceanfest_2000 Dec 5, 2005 11:45 AM Re: Re: Sense of proportion I would hope it would taste better that tofu turkey. I thought that was pretty gross. :-( --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > well..if they somehow evolve tofu antelope... > otherwise, think its sorta not gonna happen! > > > > Susan <oceanfest_2000 > Dec 5, 2005 6:34 AM > > Re: Re: Sense of proportion > > Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who knows! > :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the > lamb > and the lion could lie down together peacefully? > Now > if people would just get it . . . . > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > > > You know - we once had a member here who thought > > that even tigers > > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree with > > it, but it shows > > the diversity of thought. > > > > Jo > > > > , Susan > > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal > cannot. > > > That's what makes some animals obligate > > carnivores. > > > They hunt to survive; people can choose > > > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > > > > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind > > people > > > > hunting as that > > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an > animal > > > > killing another. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > , " linda " > > > > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > > aren't. > > > > They have no > > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey > > from > > > > birth until they > > > > kill them never allowing them to live a life, > > > > brutalizing them every > > > > single day of their short life. You are right > > those > > > > obligate > > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. > There > > is > > > > absolutely no > > > > comparison between an animal doing what is > > natural > > > > and what we do to > > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going > to > > > > have to work on that > > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. > > Brutality on > > > > the factory > > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of > > proportion...they > > > > are just pigs, > > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify > > that > > > > too with the > > > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China > > skins > > > > cats alive to put > > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and > ship > > it > > > > to the U.S. But > > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds > nothing > > > > offensive in that. > > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw > > the > > > > line? With this > > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to > be > > in a > > > > Vegan room? > > > > > linda > > > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and > it > > is > > > > very important that > > > > you do it. " > > > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > > > > > jo > > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > > porportion. One of the > > > > things I > > > > > can never understand is that some people > love > > > > cats, birds of prey, > > > > tigers > > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but > > cannot > > > > forgive humans for > > > > doing the > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home page! > > http://www./r/hs > > > > To send an email to > - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 don't forget the flea collars added in as well.... linda Dec 5, 2005 9:24 AM Re: Re: Sense of proportion One of the things that absolutely horrifies me is the fact that in pet food are the remains of shelter animals that have been euthanized and it is legit. Shelters contract to have these animals picked up, they are sold to pet food manufacturers. This is known because tests on pet foods have shown traces of the medications that they use to put the animal to sleep. This is in the US of course, don't know about anywhere else, but it is a proven fact here. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - herbvalerian Monday, December 05, 2005 7:46 AM Re: Sense of proportion I agree. Also the meat most humans in the West eat is disguised to pretend its something else, shrink wrapped and not smelling of anything except plastic. Who has actually gone out and shot an animal and then brought it home and gutted it and skinned it? Very few, and I would say those are more honest meat eaters than those who browse the shrink wrapped sanitised supermarket shelves. The other issue is that most of the poor factory farmed creature is thrown in the bin at the abbatoir. The meat eating public don't even eat it all, just the convenient- to cook bits. , "linda" <lindai81@c...> wrote:>> Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have no choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until they kill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them every single day of their short life. You are right those obligate carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely no comparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do to get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on that one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factory farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the "sense of proportion" argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to put fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. But hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that. Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With this sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room?> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > jo > I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of the things I> can never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey, tigers> etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans for doing the> same.>To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 I have a large dog and would like to change him to vegetarian food, but have heard that they really aren't supposed to be vegetarian. He's 12 yo and is only now showing some of his age, but doing even better than I am! He's always had a sensitive stomach, so I have to watch what I feed him otherwise I'm cleaning something off the carpet from one end or the other (If I can't get the door and gate open fast enuf). He loves my food though and used to eat anything. Now he's gotten picky, he'll eat oranges, but not potatoes anymore, etc. Anyone have a recommendation for vegetarian dog food for him? And where would I find it?fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: don't forget the flea collars added in as well....-----Original Message----- linda Dec 5, 2005 9:24 AM Re: Re: Sense of proportion One of the things that absolutely horrifies me is the fact that in pet food are the remains of shelter animals that have been euthanized and it is legit. Shelters contract to have these animals picked up, they are sold to pet food manufacturers. This is known because tests on pet foods have shown traces of the medications that they use to put the animal to sleep. This is in the US of course, don't know about anywhere else, but it is a proven fact here. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - herbvalerian Monday, December 05, 2005 7:46 AM Re: Sense of proportion I agree. Also the meat most humans in the West eat is disguised to pretend its something else, shrink wrapped and not smelling of anything except plastic. Who has actually gone out and shot an animal and then brought it home and gutted it and skinned it? Very few, and I would say those are more honest meat eaters than those who browse the shrink wrapped sanitised supermarket shelves. The other issue is that most of the poor factory farmed creature is thrown in the bin at the abbatoir. The meat eating public don't even eat it all, just the convenient- to cook bits. , "linda" <lindai81@c...> wrote:>> Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. They have no choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey from birth until they kill them never allowing them to live a life, brutalizing them every single day of their short life. You are right those obligate carnivores do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely no comparison between an animal doing what is natural and what we do to get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am going to have to work on that one 'cause it flies right over my head. Brutality on the factory farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to justify that too with the "sense of proportion" argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to put fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship it to the U.S. But hey, what the heck, their culture finds nothing offensive in that. Have a sense of proportion. Where do you draw the line? With this sense of proportion why would anyone want to be in a Vegan room?> linda> "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."> Mohandas Gandhi> > jo > I always think it wise to keep a sense of porportion. One of the things I> can never understand is that some people love cats, birds of prey, tigers> etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot forgive humans for doing the> same.>To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Hi Jonnie > I have a large dog and would like to change him to vegetarian food, but have heard that they really aren't supposed to be > vegetarian. I know nothing about canine diets, but I do know that the oldest dog in the world has been on a vegetarian diet for over 24 years... so I don't think it can be too bad for them if done properly! :-) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2005 Report Share Posted December 6, 2005 Yeah, the tricky part is the 'done properly' part! :)Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Jonnie > I have a large dog and would like to change him to vegetarian food, but have heard that they really aren't supposed to be > vegetarian. I know nothing about canine diets, but I do know that the oldest dog in the world has been on a vegetarian diet for over 24 years... so I don't think it can be too bad for them if done properly! :-) BB Peter Personals Skip the bars and set-ups and start using Personals for free Personals Let fate take it's course directly to your email. See who's waiting for you Personals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Not only is that a good point, but I find ISP " meats " are all pretty much yuck! And there are health issues around ingesting too much ISP, though I can't recall what they are just now because I'm tired. However, I think soy " meats " may help some people in the transistion to a healthier/friendlier diet (transition crutch). But it's kind of like--what's the point? :-) --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > I wouldnt know , I wouldnt touch anything that tried > to resemble taste or texture of > flesh.................... > The Valley Vegan................. > > Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: > I would hope it would taste better that tofu > turkey. I > thought that was pretty gross. :-( > > --- fraggle wrote: > > > well..if they somehow evolve tofu antelope... > > otherwise, think its sorta not gonna happen! > > > > > > > > Susan > > Dec 5, 2005 6:34 AM > > > > Re: Re: Sense of proportion > > > > Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who > knows! > > :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the > > lamb > > and the lion could lie down together peacefully? > > Now > > if people would just get it . . . . > > > > --- heartwerk wrote: > > > > > You know - we once had a member here who thought > > > that even tigers > > > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree > with > > > it, but it shows > > > the diversity of thought. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Susan > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal > > cannot. > > > > That's what makes some animals obligate > > > carnivores. > > > > They hunt to survive; people can choose > > > > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > > > > > > > --- heartwerk wrote: > > > > > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind > > > people > > > > > hunting as that > > > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an > > animal > > > > > killing another. > > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > , " linda " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > > > aren't. > > > > > They have no > > > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey > > > from > > > > > birth until they > > > > > kill them never allowing them to live a > life, > > > > > brutalizing them every > > > > > single day of their short life. You are > right > > > those > > > > > obligate > > > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. > > There > > > is > > > > > absolutely no > > > > > comparison between an animal doing what is > > > natural > > > > > and what we do to > > > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am > going > > to > > > > > have to work on that > > > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. > > > Brutality on > > > > > the factory > > > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of > > > proportion...they > > > > > are just pigs, > > > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to > justify > > > that > > > > > too with the > > > > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China > > > skins > > > > > cats alive to put > > > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and > > ship > > > it > > > > > to the U.S. But > > > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds > > nothing > > > > > offensive in that. > > > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you > draw > > > the > > > > > line? With this > > > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to > > be > > > in a > > > > > Vegan room? > > > > > > linda > > > > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and > > it > > > is > > > > > very important that > > > > > you do it. " > > > > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > > > > > > > jo > > > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > > > porportion. One of the > > > > > things I > > > > > > can never understand is that some people > > love > > > > > cats, birds of prey, > > > > > tigers > > > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but > > > cannot > > > > > forgive humans for > > > > > doing the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home > page! > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 tofurkey and it turned me off. :-) This year I had more fun making vegetable recipes. --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > which one..tofurky or now and zen's unturkey? > > > Susan <oceanfest_2000 > Dec 5, 2005 11:45 AM > > Re: Re: Sense of proportion > > I would hope it would taste better that tofu turkey. > I > thought that was pretty gross. :-( > > --- fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > well..if they somehow evolve tofu antelope... > > otherwise, think its sorta not gonna happen! > > > > > > > > Susan <oceanfest_2000 > > Dec 5, 2005 6:34 AM > > > > Re: Re: Sense of proportion > > > > Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who > knows! > > :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the > > lamb > > and the lion could lie down together peacefully? > > Now > > if people would just get it . . . . > > > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: > > > > > You know - we once had a member here who thought > > > that even tigers > > > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree > with > > > it, but it shows > > > the diversity of thought. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Susan > > > <oceanfest_2000> wrote: > > > > > > > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal > > cannot. > > > > That's what makes some animals obligate > > > carnivores. > > > > They hunt to survive; people can choose > > > > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > > > > > > > --- heartwerk <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind > > > people > > > > > hunting as that > > > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an > > animal > > > > > killing another. > > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > , " linda " > > > > > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > > > aren't. > > > > > They have no > > > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey > > > from > > > > > birth until they > > > > > kill them never allowing them to live a > life, > > > > > brutalizing them every > > > > > single day of their short life. You are > right > > > those > > > > > obligate > > > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. > > There > > > is > > > > > absolutely no > > > > > comparison between an animal doing what is > > > natural > > > > > and what we do to > > > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am > going > > to > > > > > have to work on that > > > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. > > > Brutality on > > > > > the factory > > > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of > > > proportion...they > > > > > are just pigs, > > > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to > justify > > > that > > > > > too with the > > > > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China > > > skins > > > > > cats alive to put > > > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and > > ship > > > it > > > > > to the U.S. But > > > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds > > nothing > > > > > offensive in that. > > > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you > draw > > > the > > > > > line? With this > > > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to > > be > > > in a > > > > > Vegan room? > > > > > > linda > > > > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and > > it > > > is > > > > > very important that > > > > > you do it. " > > > > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > > > > > > > jo > > > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > > > porportion. One of the > > > > > things I > > > > > > can never understand is that some people > > love > > > > > cats, birds of prey, > > > > > tigers > > > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but > > > cannot > > > > > forgive humans for > > > > > doing the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home > page! > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Home-Prepared Dog & Cat Diets: the Healthful Alternative -- by Donald R. Strombeck; Natural Nutrition for Dogs and Cats -- by Kymythy Schultze; Vegetarian dogs: Toward a world without exploitation by Verona Re-Bow; Vegetarian Cats & Dogs by James A. Peden, James A. Pedan. I have not reviewed these books, so you'll need to check them to see if they answer questions--maybe they'll answer my earlier ones. I found a book to make my own bird food as well and I'm waiting to get it. It sounds like these are more vegetarian than vegan; I don't know. --- Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote: > I have a large dog and would like to change him to > vegetarian food, but have heard that they really > aren't supposed to be vegetarian. He's 12 yo and is > only now showing some of his age, but doing even > better than I am! He's always had a sensitive > stomach, so I have to watch what I feed him > otherwise I'm cleaning something off the carpet from > one end or the other (If I can't get the door and > gate open fast enuf). He loves my food though and > used to eat anything. Now he's gotten picky, he'll > eat oranges, but not potatoes anymore, etc. Anyone > have a recommendation for vegetarian dog food for > him? And where would I find it? > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: don't > forget the flea collars added in as well.... > > > > linda > > Dec 5, 2005 9:24 AM > > Re: Re: Sense of proportion > > One of the things that absolutely horrifies me > is the fact that in pet food are the remains of > shelter animals that have been euthanized and it is > legit. Shelters contract to have these animals > picked up, they are sold to pet food manufacturers. > This is known because tests on pet foods have shown > traces of the medications that they use to put the > animal to sleep. This is in the US of course, don't > know about anywhere else, but it is a proven fact > here. > linda > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is > very important that you do it. " > Mohandas Gandhi > > linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: > womyn47 > - > herbvalerian > > Monday, December 05, 2005 7:46 AM > Re: Sense of proportion > > > I agree. Also the meat most humans in the West eat > is disguised to pretend its something > else, shrink wrapped and not smelling of anything > except plastic. Who has actually gone > out and shot an animal and then brought it home and > gutted it and skinned it? Very few, > and I would say those are more honest meat eaters > than those who browse the shrink > wrapped sanitised supermarket shelves. The other > issue is that most of the poor factory > farmed creature is thrown in the bin at the > abbatoir. The meat eating public don't even eat > it all, just the convenient- to cook bits. > > , " linda " > <lindai81@c...> wrote: > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we aren't. > They have no choice, we do. They don't > lock up their prey from birth until they kill them > never allowing them to live a life, > brutalizing them every single day of their short > life. You are right those obligate carnivores > do kill and eat other animals. There is absolutely > no comparison between an animal doing > what is natural and what we do to get our meat. > Sense of proportion? I am going to have > to work on that one 'cause it flies right over my > head. Brutality on the factory farms? Oh, > hey, keep a sense of proportion...they are just > pigs, chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to > justify that too with the " sense of proportion " > argument? Gosh, China skins cats alive to > put fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and ship > it to the U.S. But hey, what the heck, > their culture finds nothing offensive in that. Have > a sense of proportion. Where do you > draw the line? With this sense of proportion why > would anyone want to be in a Vegan > room? > > linda > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is > very important that you do it. " > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > jo > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > porportion. One of the things I > > can never understand is that some people love > cats, birds of prey, tigers > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but cannot > forgive humans for doing the > > same. > > To send an email to > - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 everyone has different tastes my answer to carnies who go " why are there tofu hotdogs " and get all haughty about it is : " gee, i've never seen a cow that looked like that... " Susan <oceanfest_2000 Dec 6, 2005 7:19 PM Re: Re: Sense of proportion Not only is that a good point, but I find ISP " meats " are all pretty much yuck! And there are health issues around ingesting too much ISP, though I can't recall what they are just now because I'm tired. However, I think soy " meats " may help some people in the transistion to a healthier/friendlier diet (transition crutch). But it's kind of like--what's the point? :-) --- peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > I wouldnt know , I wouldnt touch anything that tried > to resemble taste or texture of > flesh.................... > The Valley Vegan................. > > Susan <oceanfest_2000 wrote: > I would hope it would taste better that tofu > turkey. I > thought that was pretty gross. :-( > > --- fraggle wrote: > > > well..if they somehow evolve tofu antelope... > > otherwise, think its sorta not gonna happen! > > > > > > > > Susan > > Dec 5, 2005 6:34 AM > > > > Re: Re: Sense of proportion > > > > Well, we do have vegan pet food now . . .who > knows! > > :-) Maybe we are evolving backwards to when the > > lamb > > and the lion could lie down together peacefully? > > Now > > if people would just get it . . . . > > > > --- heartwerk wrote: > > > > > You know - we once had a member here who thought > > > that even tigers > > > could live as vegans. I'm not saying I agree > with > > > it, but it shows > > > the diversity of thought. > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > , Susan > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > A person can choose not to hunt. An animal > > cannot. > > > > That's what makes some animals obligate > > > carnivores. > > > > They hunt to survive; people can choose > > > > alternatives--they can choose to gather. > > > > > > > > --- heartwerk wrote: > > > > > > > > > I presume by your answer that you don't mind > > > people > > > > > hunting as that > > > > > doesn't involve any more cruelty than an > > animal > > > > > killing another. > > > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > > > , " linda " > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Those animals are obligate carnivores, we > > > aren't. > > > > > They have no > > > > > choice, we do. They don't lock up their prey > > > from > > > > > birth until they > > > > > kill them never allowing them to live a > life, > > > > > brutalizing them every > > > > > single day of their short life. You are > right > > > those > > > > > obligate > > > > > carnivores do kill and eat other animals. > > There > > > is > > > > > absolutely no > > > > > comparison between an animal doing what is > > > natural > > > > > and what we do to > > > > > get our meat. Sense of proportion? I am > going > > to > > > > > have to work on that > > > > > one 'cause it flies right over my head. > > > Brutality on > > > > > the factory > > > > > farms? Oh, hey, keep a sense of > > > proportion...they > > > > > are just pigs, > > > > > chickens, cows, etc. Would you like to > justify > > > that > > > > > too with the > > > > > " sense of proportion " argument? Gosh, China > > > skins > > > > > cats alive to put > > > > > fur on clothing, then they mislabel it and > > ship > > > it > > > > > to the U.S. But > > > > > hey, what the heck, their culture finds > > nothing > > > > > offensive in that. > > > > > Have a sense of proportion. Where do you > draw > > > the > > > > > line? With this > > > > > sense of proportion why would anyone want to > > be > > > in a > > > > > Vegan room? > > > > > > linda > > > > > > " Whatever you do will be insignificant and > > it > > > is > > > > > very important that > > > > > you do it. " > > > > > > Mohandas Gandhi > > > > > > > > > > > > jo > > > > > > I always think it wise to keep a sense of > > > > > porportion. One of the > > > > > things I > > > > > > can never understand is that some people > > love > > > > > cats, birds of prey, > > > > > tigers > > > > > > etc. who kill and eat other animals, but > > > cannot > > > > > forgive humans for > > > > > doing the > > > > > > same. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > > > DSL – Something to write home about. > > > > Just $16.99/mo. or less. > > > > dsl. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Start your day with - Make it your home > page! > > > > http://www./r/hs > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2005 Report Share Posted December 7, 2005 Hi Susan > tofurkey and it turned me off. :-) I have to say... I tried some tofurkey when in the US... and it really was revolting. Tasted like used tyres.... BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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