Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

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Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

Tens of thousands of people demonstrated Saturday in 30 cities across the globe

to call on world governments to do more to halt global warming. The largest

protests took place in Montreal which is hosting the UN Climate Change

Conference -- the largest international conference ever on global warming. In

London environmentalists held banners declaring President Bush to be wanted " for

crimes against the planet. " In Washington, drivers of hybrid cars circled the

White House. And in New Orleans, residents held a " Save New Orleans, Stop Global

Warming " party in the French Quarter. On Saturday environmental groups presented

a petition signed by 600,000 Americans urging President Bush to do more to stop

global warming. The Bush administration has rejected the Kyoto Protocol to limit

greenhouse gases. The United States emits 25 percent of the world's greenhouse

gases even though it has just five percent of the world's population.

 

 

 

 

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Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

linda

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fraggle In London environmentalists held banners declaring President Bush to be wanted "for crimes against the planet." The Bush administration has rejected the Kyoto Protocol to limit greenhouse gases. The United States emits 25 percent of the world's greenhouse gases even though it has just five percent of the world's population.

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You can add his dog Blair to the line up then.............. The Valley Vegan...............linda <lindai81 wrote: Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them. linda "Whatever you do will be insignificant and it is very important that you do it."Mohandas Gandhi linda's Growing Stitchery Projects: womyn47 - fraggle In London environmentalists held banners declaring President Bush to be wanted "for crimes against the planet." The Bush administration has rejected the Kyoto Protocol to limit greenhouse gases. The United States emits 25 percent of the world's greenhouse gases even though it has just five percent of the world's population. Peter H

 

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LOL, took me a minute to get that....I was thinking, "Bush has a dog named Blair." LOL Then of course it clicked. OUCH! But true. I bet at night though Blair practices purging. I think that many of us here in the U.S. have been so grateful for the rest of the world's standing up and saying no. Less sheep or herd mentality. Helps us to keep from thinking that we are just plain out to lunch. It was wickedly bad to be against the war here, for the Kyoto treaty, against just about everything that Bush, Cheney, Wolfowitz, Rumsfeld, etc. pushed, lied, cheated, coerced, from the day they decided to put Bush in office. He was never a legitimate president here, but the second time around was appalling except that Bush had managed to terrify a substantial number of citizens into believing that if it weren't for him we would all be dead from the terrorists and they were willing to kill off the citizens around the world to protect themselves. They are just beginning to see that isn't going to work...they really are a caring people, just gullible. Now all over our news they have all the pundits saying we will be hit again here in our borders by the terrorists sooner or later. I don't see quite the terror reaction to it though. I think that we have seen the Londoners reaction and found it to be sane.

linda

 

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peter hurd

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:05 AM

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You can add his dog Blair to the line up then..............

 

The Valley Vegan...............linda <lindai81 wrote:

 

Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

linda

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fraggle In London environmentalists held banners declaring President Bush to be wanted "for crimes against the planet." The Bush administration has rejected the Kyoto Protocol to limit greenhouse gases. The United States emits 25 percent of the world's greenhouse gases even though it has just five percent of the world's population.

 

Peter H

 

 

 

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Hi Linda

 

> Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial

> for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

 

I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America.

 

The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses....

 

BB

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Where ae the exporting them to? El Salvador would be good? plenty of experiance there! The Valley Vegan...........Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Linda > Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial > for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them. I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not

specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America. The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses.... BB PeterTo send an email to - Peter H

 

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funny thing is..i don't see this as news...

seems like most major media is at least a year behind in everything.....

Peter Dec 6, 2005 10:14 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

Hi Linda

 

> Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial

> for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

 

I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America.

 

The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses....

 

BB

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Hi Peter

 

> Where ae the exporting them to? El Salvador would be good? plenty of experiance there!

 

I believe Afghanistan is one of the main destinations... but in the last year, over 400 prisoners have passed through Germany, over 300 through the UK, and a whole load through other places... all on their way to less reputable countries!

 

BB

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Don't forget though that you think this because of the people you mix with.

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:03 PM

Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

funny thing is..i don't see this as news...

seems like most major media is at least a year behind in everything.....

Peter Dec 6, 2005 10:14 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

Hi Linda

 

> Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial

> for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

 

I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America.

 

The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses....

 

BB

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eh? wot you mean? jo Dec 6, 2005 11:52 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

Don't forget though that you think this because of the people you mix with.

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:03 PM

Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

funny thing is..i don't see this as news...

seems like most major media is at least a year behind in everything.....

Peter Dec 6, 2005 10:14 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

Hi Linda

 

> Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial

> for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

 

I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America.

 

The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses....

 

BB

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I get the impression that you mix mostly with people with the same ideals as yourself, and if that is the case it may seem to you that an idea is more generally widespread than it is.

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:05 PM

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eh? wot you mean? jo Dec 6, 2005 11:52 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

Don't forget though that you think this because of the people you mix with.

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:03 PM

Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

funny thing is..i don't see this as news...

seems like most major media is at least a year behind in everything.....

Peter Dec 6, 2005 10:14 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

Hi Linda

 

> Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial

> for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

 

I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America.

 

The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses....

 

BB

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i mix with all sorts of folks

heck..half my friends drink bud light er pabst

*shudder* jo Dec 6, 2005 2:20 PM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

I get the impression that you mix mostly with people with the same ideals as yourself, and if that is the case it may seem to you that an idea is more generally widespread than it is.

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 9:05 PM

Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

eh? wot you mean? jo Dec 6, 2005 11:52 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

Don't forget though that you think this because of the people you mix with.

 

Jo

 

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fraggle

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 7:03 PM

Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

funny thing is..i don't see this as news...

seems like most major media is at least a year behind in everything.....

Peter Dec 6, 2005 10:14 AM Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

Hi Linda

 

> Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial

> for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

 

I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America.

 

The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses....

 

BB

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Yes, we have heard about the exportation of prisoners to countries that do allow things to be done to them that are verboten here. The word was out a really long time ago, but the majority of people didn't want to believe it and therefore didn't. Now they are faced with factual information. When the press says that the Pentagon asked the press not to reveal the names of the countries they acquiesced. But late last night I think I heard that Poland and Romania were two of them...I have been out today and haven't caught up on the news though, so that might not be true. I haven't really heard what Rice had to say...however I certainly should have included her in that list of people with Bush that needs to be on trial too. It is a royal Bush lie though that the prisoners weren't exported to be tortured. They were exported to avoid having to give them the rights that would have been accorded to them here in the States and do extract information from them in ways that would have been illegal here.

 

Well, we will invade whatever country is obstructing our wishes and needs. However, I think the world is sitting up and saying no more to what amounts to imperialism. The Independent media is also of great help. One of the problems is the citizens of the U.S. have their news filtered through large corporations that not only own the large networks, like ABC, CBS, NBC but also basically own the government too. I know that this sounds like I must be a radical, but I am not...unless the truth is radical which it appears it is also considered a crime now.

linda

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Peter

Tuesday, December 06, 2005 10:14 AM

Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global Warming

 

Hi Linda

 

> Many, many people and growing in numbers each day want to see Bush and his cronies brought to trial

> for crimes against not only the planet but against humanity...war on terrorism starts with them.

 

I presume everyone has heard the latest news, about the US exporting prisoners out of the US... "not specifically for the purpose of torturing them" as Condoleeza Rice put it.... what she didn't say was what is and isn't considered torture. Apparently tying plastic bags over people's heads and filling them with water until they are almost dead *isn't* considered to be torture by the US authorities. That was just one of a long list of "acceptable" interrogation techniques, which can't be used in America.

 

The other "trick" is to get the local authorities to do the "questioning".... so, no-one can say that the US is involved in torture... of course, in a few months time, the US will probably be invading these countries claiming that they have to do something about the human rights abuses....

 

BB

Peter

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Hi Linda

 

> Well, we will invade whatever country is obstructing our wishes and needs. However, I think the world

> is sitting up and saying no more to what amounts to imperialism. The Independent media is also of

> great help.

 

Unfortunately, it so far only seems to be the "ordinary" people who are waking up to imperialistic views of US / UK... the governments are still ignoring them, and while we have the fiascos of electoral systems in place, that isn't likely to change. I agree about the independent media... Indymedia in the UK is great... I believe my photo was even on their website in some of the G8 protest pics :-)

 

BB

Peter

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The link below contains links to newspapers around the world and here in the states....and of course I use the independent media....will have to look at the UK one too.

 

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I am sure that you have taken note of the growing anti-war movement here in the states and of Bush's scrambling trying to stem the tide. He isn't doing it well...he just now completed a speech trying to convince us of the worthiness of the war, however there was nothing new and he just restated that as long as he was commander-in-chief we wouldn't leave Iraq. Is he daring someone? We were in Washington, D.C. for the Mobilization Against Globalization in Sept of 2001...we had gone early to help with preparations. It would have been massive. The police there were terrified of us coming and had erected fencing all around the mall area. Then 911 happened which resulted in the cancellation of the protests and marches. Then most of the web sites that had organized this massive gathering went down and our groups fell apart. Now it is seeing a resurgence though and is bolstered by the growing dissatisfaction with how the government is running the country. Just wondering if the conditions in the world, environment, global warming and such, have gotten bad enough for people to actually do something about it. The citizens here though are avid consumers and don't want to give up anything...they feel entitled to their SUV.

linda

 

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Peter

Wednesday, December 07, 2005 10:19 AM

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Hi Linda

 

> Well, we will invade whatever country is obstructing our wishes and needs. However, I think the world

> is sitting up and saying no more to what amounts to imperialism. The Independent media is also of

> great help.

 

Unfortunately, it so far only seems to be the "ordinary" people who are waking up to imperialistic views of US / UK... the governments are still ignoring them, and while we have the fiascos of electoral systems in place, that isn't likely to change. I agree about the independent media... Indymedia in the UK is great... I believe my photo was even on their website in some of the G8 protest pics :-)

 

BB

Peter

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What will happen when countries like China, and Russia wake up? WW III? The Valley Vegan..............Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Linda > Well, we will invade whatever country is obstructing our wishes and needs. However, I think the world > is sitting up and saying no more to what amounts to imperialism. The Independent media is also of > great help. Unfortunately, it so far only seems to be the "ordinary"

people who are waking up to imperialistic views of US / UK... the governments are still ignoring them, and while we have the fiascos of electoral systems in place, that isn't likely to change. I agree about the independent media... Indymedia in the UK is great... I believe my photo was even on their website in some of the G8 protest pics :-) BB Peter Peter H

 

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Could be China - I believe US are in debt to them - what better way

to get out of debt than have a war!

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

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> What will happen when countries like China, and Russia wake up? WW

III?

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> The Valley Vegan..............

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> Peter <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

> Hi Linda

>

> > Well, we will invade whatever country is obstructing our wishes

and needs. However, I think the world

> > is sitting up and saying no more to what amounts to

imperialism. The Independent media is also of

> > great help.

>

> Unfortunately, it so far only seems to be the " ordinary " people

who are waking up to imperialistic views of US / UK... the

governments are still ignoring them, and while we have the fiascos of

electoral systems in place, that isn't likely to change. I agree

about the independent media... Indymedia in the UK is great... I

believe my photo was even on their website in some of the G8 protest

pics :-)

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> BB

> Peter

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they own huge amounts of treasury and other bonds..and have invested heavily in

the US dollar

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

Dec 8, 2005 11:41 PM

 

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Could be China - I believe US are in debt to them - what better way

to get out of debt than have a war!

 

Jo

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

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> What will happen when countries like China, and Russia wake up? WW

III?

>

> The Valley Vegan..............

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> Peter <metalscarab@g...> wrote:

> Hi Linda

>

> > Well, we will invade whatever country is obstructing our wishes

and needs. However, I think the world

> > is sitting up and saying no more to what amounts to

imperialism. The Independent media is also of

> > great help.

>

> Unfortunately, it so far only seems to be the " ordinary " people

who are waking up to imperialistic views of US / UK... the

governments are still ignoring them, and while we have the fiascos of

electoral systems in place, that isn't likely to change. I agree

about the independent media... Indymedia in the UK is great... I

believe my photo was even on their website in some of the G8 protest

pics :-)

>

> BB

> Peter

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> To send an email to -

 

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And Britain is falling over backwards to trade with them............... The Valley Vegan...............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: they own huge amounts of treasury and other bonds..and have invested heavily in the US dollarheartwerk Dec 8, 2005 11:41 PM Subject: Re: Tens of Thousands in 30 Cities Protest Global WarmingCould be China - I believe US are in debt to them - what better way to get out of debt than have a war!Jo , peter hurd wrote:>> What will happen when countries like China, and Russia wake up? WW III?> > The Valley Vegan..............> > Peter

wrote:> Hi Linda> > > Well, we will invade whatever country is obstructing our wishes and needs. However, I think the world> > is sitting up and saying no more to what amounts to imperialism. The Independent media is also of > > great help.> > Unfortunately, it so far only seems to be the "ordinary" people who are waking up to imperialistic views of US / UK... the governments are still ignoring them, and while we have the fiascos of electoral systems in place, that isn't likely to change. I agree about the independent media... Indymedia in the UK is great... I believe my photo was even on their website in some of the G8 protest pics :-)> > BB> Peter> > > To send an email to - > > > >