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Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to Shed Unwanted Pounds WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year’s resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds. PCRM’s weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet. “The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited

servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry,” says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study’s lead author. “Anyone who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based diet.” Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure. The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less. PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org. For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte. Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research. ### Physicians Committee

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Well, these will be vegans for a very short time since diets do not work for long periods when the dieter views it as having to give up things, deprivation. Of course in the meantime they will spare a few animals brutal lives and slaughter house agony and they will delay a tad their contribution to the destruction of the planet and its people, but they won't stick with it because they haven't become vegans for much else other than either their vanity or health improvement. If people had the awareness of how their lifestyles are killers all the way around adding to the misery in the world and knew it through and through then maybe they would stick with being vegan. These people won't I guarantee. I am always a tad curious though...is it really possible to do a high fat vegan diet anyway? What would you have to eat in order to approach the high fat diets inherent in an animal based diet like an Atkins? And people definitely do get a weight loss on a low carb diet. PCRM seems to be aiming at the lowest common denominator of the human race...vanity and terror of their own deaths rather than morality and ethics.

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Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year

Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to Shed Unwanted Pounds

WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year’s resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds.

PCRM’s weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet.

“The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry,” says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study’s lead author. “Anyone who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based diet.”

Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure.

The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.

PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org.

For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte.

Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.

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Its good they are sayinga vegan diet is healthy, but the headline is a bit

misleading as a

vegan diet is naturally low fat! Unless you are a vegan junk-foodie!

In fact fat is one thing vegans may even suffer from a lack of... leading to

dry skin,

underwieght, and other problems. Thats where the nuts, oils, avocadoes etc are

important.

 

, peter hurd <swpgh01@t...> wrote:

>

> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for

Healthy

Slimming in the New Year

> Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to

> Shed Unwanted Pounds

> WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of

many

people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors with the Physicians

Committee for

Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a

recent

study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted

pounds.

> PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of

Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping

women lose

weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet.

> " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings

of fruits,

vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose

weight

without feeling hungry, " says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead author. " Anyone

who

wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based

diet. "

> Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based

diets. In a

recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P.

Kirstin

Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or

obese

while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide,

vegetarian

populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood

pressure.

> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family,

and many

familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in

peer-reviewed

journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in

terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.

> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition

information,

and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available

online at

www.GoVegetarian.org.

> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with

Dr. Neal

Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte@p...

> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a

nonprofit

health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good

nutrition. PCRM

also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human

experimentation, and

promotes alternatives to animal research.

> ###

> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

> 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016

> Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p...

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I think that it is possible to eat a junk food diet as a vegan. If you eat a lot of pre=processed crap, analogues, vegan cheese etc, biscuits, cakes etc then you would not loose any wieght and indeed put on wieght. The Valley Vegan............herbvalerian <herbvalerian wrote: Its good they are sayinga vegan diet is healthy, but the headline is a bit misleading as a vegan diet is naturally low fat! Unless you are a vegan junk-foodie!In fact fat is one thing vegans may even suffer from a lack of... leading to dry skin, underwieght, and other problems. Thats where the nuts, oils, avocadoes etc are important. , peter hurd wrote:>> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy

Slimming in the New Year > Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to > Shed Unwanted Pounds> WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds. > PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet. > "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead author. "Anyone

who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based diet."> Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure.> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition

information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org.> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte@p...> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.> ###> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine > 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016 > Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p... > > > > Peter H > > > > > Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from

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there usae to be a person on here who only liked junk food vegan stuff

strange..but..takes all types me guesses peter hurd Dec 18, 2005 2:26 AM Re: Re: Doctors recommend Low fat vegan diet

I think that it is possible to eat a junk food diet as a vegan. If you eat a lot of pre=processed crap, analogues, vegan cheese etc, biscuits, cakes etc then you would not loose any wieght and indeed put on wieght.

 

The Valley Vegan............herbvalerian <herbvalerian wrote:

Its good they are sayinga vegan diet is healthy, but the headline is a bit misleading as a vegan diet is naturally low fat! Unless you are a vegan junk-foodie!In fact fat is one thing vegans may even suffer from a lack of... leading to dry skin, underwieght, and other problems. Thats where the nuts, oils, avocadoes etc are important. , peter hurd wrote:>> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year > Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to > Shed Unwanted Pounds> WASHINGTONWith 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds. > PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet. > "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead author. "Anyone who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based diet."> Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure.> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org.> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte@p...> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.> ###> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine > 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016 > Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p... > > > > Peter H > > > > > Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from >

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My daughters partner is a pescetarian - a fish-eating vegetarian. He loves junk food. I believe my daughter is winning him round slowly to healthier food, but he still eats loads of unhealthy stuff.

 

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there usae to be a person on here who only liked junk food vegan stuff

strange..but..takes all types me guesses peter hurd Dec 18, 2005 2:26 AM Re: Re: Doctors recommend Low fat vegan diet

I think that it is possible to eat a junk food diet as a vegan. If you eat a lot of pre=processed crap, analogues, vegan cheese etc, biscuits, cakes etc then you would not loose any wieght and indeed put on wieght.

 

The Valley Vegan............herbvalerian <herbvalerian wrote:

Its good they are sayinga vegan diet is healthy, but the headline is a bit misleading as a vegan diet is naturally low fat! Unless you are a vegan junk-foodie!In fact fat is one thing vegans may even suffer from a lack of... leading to dry skin, underwieght, and other problems. Thats where the nuts, oils, avocadoes etc are important. , peter hurd wrote:>> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year > Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to > Shed Unwanted Pounds> WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds. > PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet. > "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead author. "Anyone who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based diet."> Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure.> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org.> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte@p...> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.> ###> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine > 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016 > Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p... > > > > Peter H > > > > > Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from >

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How one feels about their diet really affects how well they stick to it. A couple of years ago, I ate mostly veggies and also some fish and chicken. My doc tells me that due to my family history and the fact that my cholesterol was creeping up, I should only be eating vegetables. That's it, that's what she told me. So I did that and after 2 weeks I hated the veggies, I felt starved and deprived and had no energy. Of course I then went the other way for a while. Then I returned to what I loved. Anyhow, to make a long story shorter, I eventually left out meat and found support to do what I needed to do (low fat veggie). The support I originally turned to were supposed professionals, my regular doc, my cariologist and a nutritionist. Each was pathetic. They each listed things they thought I should do without. The nutritionist really ticked me off since I told her in advance what I wanted: I told her what I knew and

that I wanted support and recipes for vegetarian cooking. Then when we met (after she had my $150) she went over the very things I had told her I knew. She listed out all the things I was to avoid in circles, with the outside circles being the food I was to really avoid. I was so mad. Anyhow, these people I turned to left me feeling like I was missing out on things. When I changed my attitude, then I found others who's attitude I liked (and a lot of help in this group), I then saw all these wonderful food I loved and knew I was no longer alone in how I wanted to eat. I then felt more confident in my choice too. The thought of meat now discusts me. All these beautiful plant products in many varied colors of the rainbow, YUM! It took a while to change my attitude, but I started with how it affected ME, then slowly, mostly thru this group, I began to see how I could change the world in my very, very small way. The good news is that after running a bunch of tests last monday, my cardiac condition hasn't changed much, the bad news is that I have to go to my regular doc to be sent to another specialist to try to figger out why the communication to my legs is a problem. Last tuesday, I managed to break my ankle while dancing. (which is why y'all haven't heard much from me all week. Ugh! Did someone mention Peter's luck (ill)? Is that the deal? :)linda <lindai81 wrote: Well, these will be vegans for a very short time since diets do not work for long periods when the dieter views it as having to give up things, deprivation. Of course in the meantime they will spare a few animals brutal lives

and slaughter house agony and they will delay a tad their contribution to the destruction of the planet and its people, but they won't stick with it because they haven't become vegans for much else other than either their vanity or health improvement. If people had the awareness of how their lifestyles are killers all the way around adding to the misery in the world and knew it through and through then maybe they would stick with being vegan. These people won't I guarantee. I am always a tad curious though...is it really possible to do a high fat vegan diet anyway? What would you have to eat in order to approach the high fat diets inherent in an animal based diet like an Atkins? And people definitely do get a weight loss on a low carb diet. PCRM seems to be aiming at the lowest common denominator of the human race...vanity and terror of their own deaths rather than morality and ethics. linda - peter hurd Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to Shed Unwanted Pounds WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year’s resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat

vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds. PCRM’s weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet. “The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry,” says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study’s lead author. “Anyone who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based diet.” Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and

vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure. The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less. PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org. For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte. Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research. ### Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016 Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm Peter H Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game

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My DH pointed out recently that vegan can be a variety of diets and so just saying a person is vegan in the study doesn't give a good snapshot of a healthy diet. I started thinking about that. True enuf, a person could eat a potato so many different ways for instance. Fried in veggie oil or baked or whatever, you get my point.herbvalerian <herbvalerian wrote: Its good they are sayinga vegan diet is healthy, but the headline is a bit misleading as a vegan diet is naturally low fat! Unless you are a vegan junk-foodie!In fact fat is one thing vegans may even suffer from a lack of... leading to dry skin, underwieght, and other problems. Thats where the nuts, oils, avocadoes etc are important. , peter hurd <swpgh01@t...>

wrote:>> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year > Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to > Shed Unwanted Pounds> WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds. > PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet. > "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits,

vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead author. "Anyone who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based diet."> Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure.> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a

high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org.> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte@p...> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.> ###> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine > 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC

20016 > Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p... > > > > Peter H > > > > > Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from >

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huh, someone told me that they were a fish eating vegetarian and I wondered (silently) if that was an oxy-moron....jo <jo.heartwork wrote: My daughters partner is a pescetarian - a fish-eating vegetarian. He loves junk food. I believe my daughter is winning him round slowly to healthier food, but he still eats loads of unhealthy stuff. Jo - fraggle Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:13 PM Re: Re: Doctors recommend Low fat vegan diet there usae to be a person on here who only liked junk food vegan stuff strange..but..takes all types me guesses peter hurd Dec 18, 2005 2:26 AM Re: Re: Doctors recommend Low fat vegan diet I think that it is possible to eat a junk food diet as a vegan. If you eat a lot of

pre=processed crap, analogues, vegan cheese etc, biscuits, cakes etc then you would not loose any wieght and indeed put on wieght. The Valley Vegan............herbvalerian <herbvalerian wrote: Its good they are sayinga vegan diet is healthy, but the headline is a bit misleading as a vegan diet is naturally low fat! Unless you are a vegan junk-foodie!In fact fat is one thing vegans may even suffer from a lack of... leading to dry skin, underwieght, and other problems. Thats where the nuts, oils, avocadoes etc are important. , peter hurd wrote:>> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year > Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to

> Shed Unwanted Pounds> WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the minds of many people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds. > PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet. > "The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling hungry," says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead author. "Anyone who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a plant-based

diet."> Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure.> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks or less.> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is available

online at www.GoVegetarian.org.> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte@p...> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal research.> ###> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine > 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016 > Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p... > > > > Peter H > > > > > Play Santa's Celebrity Xmas Party, an exclusive game from >

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Well they certainly aren't vegetarian, that's why I call them

pescetarian which is a play on words i.e. pesky etc. On the other

hand, I am pleased that my daughter's partner is 'almost' vegetarian,

as he obviously doesn't eat fish all the time, and who knows what the

future holds!

 

Jo

 

, Jonnie Hellens

<jonnie_hellens> wrote:

>

> huh, someone told me that they were a fish eating vegetarian and I

wondered (silently) if that was an oxy-moron....

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: My daughters partner is a

pescetarian - a fish-eating vegetarian. He loves junk food. I

believe my daughter is winning him round slowly to healthier food,

but he still eats loads of unhealthy stuff.

>

> Jo

> -

> fraggle

>

> Sunday, December 18, 2005 9:13 PM

> Re: Re: Doctors recommend Low fat vegan diet

>

>

> there usae to be a person on here who only liked junk food vegan

stuff

> strange..but..takes all types me guesses

>

>

>

> peter hurd

> Dec 18, 2005 2:26 AM

>

> Re: Re: Doctors recommend Low fat vegan diet

>

>

> I think that it is possible to eat a junk food diet as a vegan.

If you eat a lot of pre=processed crap, analogues, vegan cheese etc,

biscuits, cakes etc then you would not loose any wieght and indeed

put on wieght.

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> herbvalerian <herbvalerian> wrote:

> Its good they are sayinga vegan diet is healthy, but the headline

is a bit misleading as a

> vegan diet is naturally low fat! Unless you are a vegan junk-foodie!

> In fact fat is one thing vegans may even suffer from a lack of...

leading to dry skin,

> underwieght, and other problems. Thats where the nuts, oils,

avocadoes etc are

> important.

>

> , peter hurd wrote:

> >

> > Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat Vegan

Diet for Healthy

> Slimming in the New Year

> > Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to

> > Shed Unwanted Pounds

> > WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the

minds of many

> people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors with the

Physicians Committee for

> Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a new approach to weight loss

based on a recent

> study showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed

unwanted pounds.

> > PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American

Journal of

> Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective

at helping women lose

> weight and improve insulin sensitivity than an omnivorous diet.

> > " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed

unlimited servings of fruits,

> vegetables, whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled

them to lose weight

> without feeling hungry, " says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead

author. " Anyone who

> wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a

plant-based diet. "

> > Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of

plant-based diets. In a

> recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women, Tufts University

researcher P. Kirstin

> Newby and her colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were

overweight or obese

> while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were.

Worldwide, vegetarian

> populations experience lower rates of heart disease, diabetes, and

high blood pressure.

> > The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work

and family, and many

> familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least four studies published

in peer-reviewed

> journals show that patients give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high

rating in terms of

> acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks

or less.

> > PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes

recipes, nutrition information,

> and a three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The kit is

available online at

> www.GoVegetarian.org.

> > For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an

interview with Dr. Neal

> Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or

sforte@p...

> > Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible

Medicine is a nonprofit

> health organization that promotes preventive medicine, especially

good nutrition. PCRM

> also conducts clinical research studies, opposes unethical human

experimentation, and

> promotes alternatives to animal research.

> > ###

> > Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

> > 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016

> > Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p...

> >

> >

> >

> > Peter H

> >

> >

> >

> >

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Hi JOnnie

 

Sorry to hear about your ankle. I hope it mends quickly without too

much pain.

 

I think you are right about the attitude to food. Most doctors do

tell you what you have to 'give up', 'do without' and you immediately

start feeling deprived. Once you realise that vegetarian/vegan food

is very, very tasty it is a pleasure.

 

Jo

 

, Jonnie Hellens

<jonnie_hellens> wrote:

>

> How one feels about their diet really affects how well they stick

to it. A couple of years ago, I ate mostly veggies and also some

fish and chicken. My doc tells me that due to my family history and

the fact that my cholesterol was creeping up, I should only be eating

vegetables. That's it, that's what she told me. So I did that and

after 2 weeks I hated the veggies, I felt starved and deprived and

had no energy. Of course I then went the other way for a while.

Then I returned to what I loved. Anyhow, to make a long story

shorter, I eventually left out meat and found support to do what I

needed to do (low fat veggie). The support I originally turned to

were supposed professionals, my regular doc, my cariologist and a

nutritionist. Each was pathetic. They each listed things they

thought I should do without. The nutritionist really ticked me off

since I told her in advance what I wanted: I told her what I knew and

that I wanted support and recipes for vegetarian cooking.

> Then when we met (after she had my $150) she went over the very

things I had told her I knew. She listed out all the things I was to

avoid in circles, with the outside circles being the food I was to

really avoid. I was so mad. Anyhow, these people I turned to left

me feeling like I was missing out on things. When I changed my

attitude, then I found others who's attitude I liked (and a lot of

help in this group), I then saw all these wonderful food I loved and

knew I was no longer alone in how I wanted to eat. I then felt more

confident in my choice too. The thought of meat now discusts me.

All these beautiful plant products in many varied colors of the

rainbow, YUM! It took a while to change my attitude, but I started

with how it affected ME, then slowly, mostly thru this group, I began

to see how I could change the world in my very, very small way.

>

> The good news is that after running a bunch of tests last monday,

my cardiac condition hasn't changed much, the bad news is that I have

to go to my regular doc to be sent to another specialist to try to

figger out why the communication to my legs is a problem. Last

tuesday, I managed to break my ankle while dancing. (which is why

y'all haven't heard much from me all week. Ugh! Did someone mention

Peter's luck (ill)? Is that the deal?

>

> linda <lindai81@c...> wrote:

> Well, these will be vegans for a very short time since

diets do not work for long periods when the dieter views it as having

to give up things, deprivation. Of course in the meantime they will

spare a few animals brutal lives and slaughter house agony and they

will delay a tad their contribution to the destruction of the planet

and its people, but they won't stick with it because they haven't

become vegans for much else other than either their vanity or health

improvement. If people had the awareness of how their lifestyles are

killers all the way around adding to the misery in the world and knew

it through and through then maybe they would stick with being vegan.

These people won't I guarantee. I am always a tad curious though...is

it really possible to do a high fat vegan diet anyway? What would you

have to eat in order to approach the high fat diets inherent in an

animal based diet like an Atkins? And people definitely do get a

weight loss on a low carb diet. PCRM seems

> to be aiming at the lowest common denominator of the human

race...vanity and terror of their own deaths rather than morality and

ethics.

> linda

> -

> peter hurd

>

>

> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest a Low-Fat

Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New Year

> Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective Way to

> Shed Unwanted Pounds

> WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing weight is on the

minds of many people considering a New Year's resolution. Doctors

with the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest

a new approach to weight loss based on a recent study showing that a

low-fat vegan diet is an effective way to shed unwanted pounds.

> PCRM's weight-loss study, published in September in The American

Journal of Medicine, showed that a low-fat, plant-based diet is more

effective at helping women lose weight and improve insulin

sensitivity than an omnivorous diet.

> " The study participants following the vegan diet enjoyed

unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables, whole grains, and other

healthful foods that enabled them to lose weight without feeling

hungry, " says Dr. Neal Barnard, the study's lead author. " Anyone who

wants to make healthy changes in the New Year will do well to try a

plant-based diet. "

> Other scientific studies support the obesity-fighting power of

plant-based diets. In a recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish

women, Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her

colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were overweight or

obese while only 25 to 29 percent of vegetarians and vegans were.

Worldwide, vegetarian populations experience lower rates of heart

disease, diabetes, and high blood pressure.

> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people busy with work

and family, and many familiar recipes are easy to adapt. At least

four studies published in peer-reviewed journals show that patients

give the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms of

acceptability, and that the transition only takes about three weeks

or less.

> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which includes

recipes, nutrition information, and a three-step plan for moving to a

healthier diet. The kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org.

> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine study or an

interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please contact Susanne Forte at 202-

686-2210, ext. 339, or sforte@p...

> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for Responsible

Medicine is a nonprofit health organization that promotes preventive

medicine, especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts clinical

research studies, opposes unethical human experimentation, and

promotes alternatives to animal research.

> ###

> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

> 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC 20016

> Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm@p...

>

>

>

> Peter H

>

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[Guest guest]

This is a good story, thanks for sharing your

experience. One of the things that has made a huge

difference for me is getting various cookbooks and

trying new recipes (I enjoy cooking). I have one now

called A Vegan Taste of Africa, by Linda Majzilik.

Makes me feel sorry for the wonderful things the meat

and potatoes crowd is missing out on! I'm not only

eating healthier, I'm actually eating better and

enjoying it more. BTW the first thing that happened

when I went vegan was my cholesterol dropped 20

points! :-) Susan

 

--- Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens wrote:

 

> How one feels about their diet really affects how

> well they stick to it. A couple of years ago, I ate

> mostly veggies and also some fish and chicken. My

> doc tells me that due to my family history and the

> fact that my cholesterol was creeping up, I should

> only be eating vegetables. That's it, that's what

> she told me. So I did that and after 2 weeks I

> hated the veggies, I felt starved and deprived and

> had no energy. Of course I then went the other way

> for a while. Then I returned to what I loved.

> Anyhow, to make a long story shorter, I eventually

> left out meat and found support to do what I needed

> to do (low fat veggie). The support I originally

> turned to were supposed professionals, my regular

> doc, my cariologist and a nutritionist. Each was

> pathetic. They each listed things they thought I

> should do without. The nutritionist really ticked

> me off since I told her in advance what I wanted: I

> told her what I knew and that I wanted support and

> recipes for vegetarian cooking.

> Then when we met (after she had my $150) she went

> over the very things I had told her I knew. She

> listed out all the things I was to avoid in circles,

> with the outside circles being the food I was to

> really avoid. I was so mad. Anyhow, these people I

> turned to left me feeling like I was missing out on

> things. When I changed my attitude, then I found

> others who's attitude I liked (and a lot of help in

> this group), I then saw all these wonderful food I

> loved and knew I was no longer alone in how I wanted

> to eat. I then felt more confident in my choice

> too. The thought of meat now discusts me. All

> these beautiful plant products in many varied colors

> of the rainbow, YUM! It took a while to change my

> attitude, but I started with how it affected ME,

> then slowly, mostly thru this group, I began to see

> how I could change the world in my very, very small

> way.

>

> The good news is that after running a bunch of

> tests last monday, my cardiac condition hasn't

> changed much, the bad news is that I have to go to

> my regular doc to be sent to another specialist to

> try to figger out why the communication to my legs

> is a problem. Last tuesday, I managed to break my

> ankle while dancing. (which is why y'all haven't

> heard much from me all week. Ugh! Did someone

> mention Peter's luck (ill)? Is that the deal?

>

> linda <lindai81 wrote:

> Well, these will be vegans for a very

> short time since diets do not work for long periods

> when the dieter views it as having to give up

> things, deprivation. Of course in the meantime they

> will spare a few animals brutal lives and slaughter

> house agony and they will delay a tad their

> contribution to the destruction of the planet and

> its people, but they won't stick with it because

> they haven't become vegans for much else other than

> either their vanity or health improvement. If people

> had the awareness of how their lifestyles are

> killers all the way around adding to the misery in

> the world and knew it through and through then maybe

> they would stick with being vegan. These people

> won't I guarantee. I am always a tad curious

> though...is it really possible to do a high fat

> vegan diet anyway? What would you have to eat in

> order to approach the high fat diets inherent in an

> animal based diet like an Atkins? And people

> definitely do get a weight loss on a low carb diet.

> PCRM seems

> to be aiming at the lowest common denominator of

> the human race...vanity and terror of their own

> deaths rather than morality and ethics.

> linda

> -

> peter hurd

>

>

> Resolved to Lose Weight in 2006? Doctors Suggest

> a Low-Fat Vegan Diet for Healthy Slimming in the New

> Year

> Recent Study Shows Plant-Based Diet is Effective

> Way to

> Shed Unwanted Pounds

> WASHINGTON—With 2006 quickly approaching, losing

> weight is on the minds of many people considering a

> New Year’s resolution. Doctors with the Physicians

> Committee for Responsible Medicine (PCRM) suggest a

> new approach to weight loss based on a recent study

> showing that a low-fat vegan diet is an effective

> way to shed unwanted pounds.

> PCRM’s weight-loss study, published in September

> in The American Journal of Medicine, showed that a

> low-fat, plant-based diet is more effective at

> helping women lose weight and improve insulin

> sensitivity than an omnivorous diet.

> “The study participants following the vegan diet

> enjoyed unlimited servings of fruits, vegetables,

> whole grains, and other healthful foods that enabled

> them to lose weight without feeling hungry,” says

> Dr. Neal Barnard, the study’s lead author. “Anyone

> who wants to make healthy changes in the New Year

> will do well to try a plant-based diet.”

> Other scientific studies support the

> obesity-fighting power of plant-based diets. In a

> recent study of more than 55,000 Swedish women,

> Tufts University researcher P. Kirstin Newby and her

> colleagues found that 40 percent of meat-eaters were

> overweight or obese while only 25 to 29 percent of

> vegetarians and vegans were. Worldwide, vegetarian

> populations experience lower rates of heart disease,

> diabetes, and high blood pressure.

> The simplicity of a vegan diet appeals to people

> busy with work and family, and many familiar recipes

> are easy to adapt. At least four studies published

> in peer-reviewed journals show that patients give

> the low-fat vegetarian diet a high rating in terms

> of acceptability, and that the transition only takes

> about three weeks or less.

> PCRM offers a free Vegetarian Starter Kit, which

> includes recipes, nutrition information, and a

> three-step plan for moving to a healthier diet. The

> kit is available online at www.GoVegetarian.org.

> For a copy of The American Journal of Medicine

> study or an interview with Dr. Neal Barnard, please

> contact Susanne Forte at 202-686-2210, ext. 339, or

> sforte.

> Founded in 1985, the Physicians Committee for

> Responsible Medicine is a nonprofit health

> organization that promotes preventive medicine,

> especially good nutrition. PCRM also conducts

> clinical research studies, opposes unethical human

> experimentation, and promotes alternatives to animal

> research.

> ###

> Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine

> 5100 Wisconsin Ave., N.W., Ste. 400, Washington, DC

> 20016

> Phone: 202-686-2210 | E-mail: pcrm

>

>

>

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>

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[Guest guest]

when I was vegetarian,

people used to offer me fish all of the time.

to me it is meat since fish isn't a vegetable

rather a being that lives in the ocean.

 

i have never tasted fish, cause it smelled like dead flesh.

well doesn't it

 

I ate way too much cheese and milk as a kid though.

 

when I first met my husband, at college,

he was a vegetarian that ocasionally ate tuna.

 

 

 

 

-- In , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens>

wrote:

>

> huh, someone told me that they were a fish eating vegetarian and I

wondered (silently) if that was an oxy-moron....

>

> jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: My daughters partner is a

pescetarian - a fish-eating vegetarian. He loves junk food. I

believe my daughter is winning him round slowly to healthier food, but

he still eats loads of unhealthy stuff.

>

[Guest guest]

We had lunch at a pub, the Giant's Rest, on Sunday. The landlord,

although an omnivore, has three veggie children, which was

encouraging. When we asked about the food he knew about vegan etc.

He went through the menu saying what was suitable, and what was

veggie, and then said 'and if there's any 'veggies' who eat fish, we

have that too'. Made me laugh really, because of the emphasis he put

on ''veggies'.

 

Jo

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

wrote:

>

> when I was vegetarian,

> people used to offer me fish all of the time.

> to me it is meat since fish isn't a vegetable

> rather a being that lives in the ocean.

>

> i have never tasted fish, cause it smelled like dead flesh.

> well doesn't it

>

> I ate way too much cheese and milk as a kid though.

>

> when I first met my husband, at college,

> he was a vegetarian that ocasionally ate tuna.

>

>

>

>

> -- In , Jonnie Hellens

<jonnie_hellens>

> wrote:

> >

> > huh, someone told me that they were a fish eating vegetarian and I

> wondered (silently) if that was an oxy-moron....

> >

> > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: My daughters partner is a

> pescetarian - a fish-eating vegetarian. He loves junk food. I

> believe my daughter is winning him round slowly to healthier food,

but

> he still eats loads of unhealthy stuff.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I'm actually running into veg*n in restaurants now-a-days. It's a real nice break from having to explain over and over that a veggie doesn't eat meat and chicken, pork, beef, etc are all meat. You'ld be surprised how often that conversation goes on. My family doesn't believe me that a lot more people are gonna go veg*n here in the valley and then there will be a lot more options available to me. heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: We had lunch at a pub, the Giant's Rest, on Sunday. The landlord, although an omnivore, has three veggie children, which was encouraging. When we asked about the food he knew about vegan etc. He went through the menu saying what was suitable, and what was veggie, and then said 'and if there's any 'veggies' who eat fish, we have that too'.

Made me laugh really, because of the emphasis he put on ''veggies'.Jo , "Anouk Sickler" <zurumato@e...> wrote:>> when I was vegetarian, > people used to offer me fish all of the time.> to me it is meat since fish isn't a vegetable> rather a being that lives in the ocean. > > i have never tasted fish, cause it smelled like dead flesh.> well doesn't it> > I ate way too much cheese and milk as a kid though.> > when I first met my husband, at college,> he was a vegetarian that ocasionally ate tuna. > > > > > -- In , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens>> wrote:> >> > huh, someone told me that they were a fish eating vegetarian and I> wondered (silently) if that was an oxy-moron....> > > > jo

<jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: My daughters partner is a> pescetarian - a fish-eating vegetarian. He loves junk food. I> believe my daughter is winning him round slowly to healthier food, but> he still eats loads of unhealthy stuff.> >>

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[Guest guest]

It is good to go to places where you know you can get good food without worrying about it.

 

Jo

 

-

Jonnie Hellens

Monday, January 02, 2006 10:17 PM

Re: Re: Doctors recommend Low fat vegan diet

 

I'm actually running into veg*n in restaurants now-a-days. It's a real nice break from having to explain over and over that a veggie doesn't eat meat and chicken, pork, beef, etc are all meat. You'ld be surprised how often that conversation goes on. My family doesn't believe me that a lot more people are gonna go veg*n here in the valley and then there will be a lot more options available to me.

heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

We had lunch at a pub, the Giant's Rest, on Sunday. The landlord, although an omnivore, has three veggie children, which was encouraging. When we asked about the food he knew about vegan etc. He went through the menu saying what was suitable, and what was veggie, and then said 'and if there's any 'veggies' who eat fish, we have that too'. Made me laugh really, because of the emphasis he put on ''veggies'.Jo , "Anouk Sickler" <zurumato@e...> wrote:>> when I was vegetarian, > people used to offer me fish all of the time.> to me it is meat since fish isn't a vegetable> rather a being that lives in the ocean. > > i have never tasted fish, cause it smelled like dead flesh.> well doesn't it> > I ate way too much cheese and milk as a kid though.> > when I first met my husband, at college,> he was a vegetarian that ocasionally ate tuna. > > > > > -- In , Jonnie Hellens <jonnie_hellens>> wrote:> >> > huh, someone told me that they were a fish eating vegetarian and I> wondered (silently) if that was an oxy-moron....> > > > jo <jo.heartwork@g...> wrote: My daughters partner is a> pescetarian - a fish-eating vegetarian. He loves junk food. I> believe my daughter is winning him round slowly to healthier food, but> he still eats loads of unhealthy stuff.> >>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

in my town, we are doing a little vegan action.

 

there are no vegetarian restaurants in my town. Just a small cafe.

other than that none, silch.

 

so, a large group of us(about 40) are going to a restaurant and all

of us

are requesting a Vegan meal.

 

This restaurant knows that we are doing this and the owner welcomes us.

His restaurant serves meat, however he has added, recently, an entire

page in his menu for vegetarian and vegan people.

 

We are showing up in large numbers to show him support, thanks, and

to show him that we exist and that there's a whole bunch of us out

there.

And so that, he can keep this menu.

 

 

 

 

 

, Jonnie Hellens

<jonnie_hellens> wrote:

>

> I'm actually running into veg*n in restaurants now-a-days. It's a

real nice break from having to explain over and over that a veggie

doesn't eat meat and chicken, pork, beef, etc are all meat. You'ld be

[Guest guest]

That sounds like an improvement. Enjoy your meal.

 

Jo

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

wrote:

>

> in my town, we are doing a little vegan action.

>

> there are no vegetarian restaurants in my town. Just a small cafe.

> other than that none, silch.

>

> so, a large group of us(about 40) are going to a restaurant and all

> of us

> are requesting a Vegan meal.

>

> This restaurant knows that we are doing this and the owner welcomes

us.

> His restaurant serves meat, however he has added, recently, an

entire

> page in his menu for vegetarian and vegan people.

>

> We are showing up in large numbers to show him support, thanks, and

> to show him that we exist and that there's a whole bunch of us out

> there.

> And so that, he can keep this menu.

>

>

>

>

>

> , Jonnie Hellens

> <jonnie_hellens> wrote:

> >

> > I'm actually running into veg*n in restaurants now-a-days. It's a

> real nice break from having to explain over and over that a veggie

> doesn't eat meat and chicken, pork, beef, etc are all meat. You'ld

be

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Anouk

 

That is a wonderful idea! What a great way to show your support and

get it too.

 

You might want to consider calling your local paper and asking them

to do a community article on it. Or even the news station. This way

the restaurant owner gets free publicity for what he has done and in

turn it gets the word out to other restaurant owners who may want to

do the same thing.

 

Nikki

 

, " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato@e...>

wrote:

>

> in my town, we are doing a little vegan action.

>

> there are no vegetarian restaurants in my town. Just a small

cafe.

> other than that none, silch.

>

> so, a large group of us(about 40) are going to a restaurant and

all

> of us

> are requesting a Vegan meal.

>

> This restaurant knows that we are doing this and the owner

welcomes us.

> His restaurant serves meat, however he has added, recently, an

entire

> page in his menu for vegetarian and vegan people.

>

> We are showing up in large numbers to show him support, thanks,

and

> to show him that we exist and that there's a whole bunch of us out

> there.

> And so that, he can keep this menu.

>

>

>

>

>

> , Jonnie Hellens

> <jonnie_hellens> wrote:

> >

> > I'm actually running into veg*n in restaurants now-a-days. It's

a

> real nice break from having to explain over and over that a veggie

> doesn't eat meat and chicken, pork, beef, etc are all meat.

You'ld be

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What a great idea!Anouk Sickler <zurumato wrote: in my town, we are doing a little vegan action.there are no vegetarian restaurants in my town. Just a small cafe. other than that none, silch. so, a large group of us(about 40) are going to a restaurant and allof us are requesting a Vegan meal. This restaurant knows that we are doing this and the owner welcomes us.His restaurant serves meat, however he has added, recently, an entire page in his menu for vegetarian and vegan people. We are showing up in large numbers to show him support, thanks, andto show him that we exist and that there's a whole bunch of us outthere. And so that, he can keep this menu. --- In

, Jonnie Hellens<jonnie_hellens> wrote:>> I'm actually running into veg*n in restaurants now-a-days. It's areal nice break from having to explain over and over that a veggiedoesn't eat meat and chicken, pork, beef, etc are all meat. You'ld be

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