Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 What is kosher gelatine? from the Vegetarian Resource Group: Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins. Contrary to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used in gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of pareve refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people assume this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve certified ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and gelatin, in them. " Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve', " an article that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A quote from the article is as follows: " ...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products. " http://www.ivu.org/faq/gelatine.html - rosetalleo Friday, January 25, 2008 12:04 PM Re: Kosher Vegetarian Friendly? Kosher can be fairly complicated, but Kosher gelatin would be veggie. If the label says Kosher PARVE then it would be veggie for sure. Since the dietary laws require that each animal be slaughtered in a " Kosher " way, it is not practical for gelatin, where they make it from the hoofs and tendons of all sorts of animals. So they could not claim " Kosher " and " Kosher " gelatin has to be vegetarian. A rabbi has to be present in the slaughtering of each animal, and it would not be possible of practical to get a rabbi for each animal part involved in making gelatin the usual way (not vegetarian) since I think it is more e of a byproduct (gross, sorry). Kosher means it follows the Jewish dietary laws. Some animals are not eaten at all, the ones that are eaten have to be slaughtered in a certain way (humanely presumably but let's not go there...) Meat and dairy are never to be consumed together ('thou shall not boil a kid in its mother milk', it is in the old testament), so food can be designated as meat, dairy and Parve. Parve can be consumed with meat or dairy and it is usually vegan but may contain egg (eggs are considered parve). Confused yet? OK, I said it is complicated, but if it says KOSHER PARVE or just PARVE you are safe, but if you are vegan double check the label for eggs. I better stop here before confusing anyone any further (Cabrita) , Donna Ellis <tupelopm wrote: > > Thank you, Judy, for the Kosher link. > Donna E > (Los Angeles) > > --- wwjd <jtwigg wrote: Kosher does > not mean animal free. It is the way an animal is > killed > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_foods > > Judy > > > > ________ > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 This is terrible, I wonder how they came up with that? now I remember being so annoyed with all these dietary laws that made no sense to me. They also prohibit lentils and beans during passover, just because the bread had not time to rise when fleeing Egypt. So leavened bread is not allowed that week (somewhat reasonable) but why did they extend this to beans and lentils? and rice and all other grains? so vegetarians have nothing to eat? go figure. Thanks for bringing this up, I will no longer assume that PARVE is not meat. , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > > What is kosher gelatine? > > from the Vegetarian Resource Group: > Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins. Contrary to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used in gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of pareve refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people assume this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve certified ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and gelatin, in them. > " Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve', " an article that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A quote from the article is as follows: > " ...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products. " > > http://www.ivu.org/faq/gelatine.html > > - > rosetalleo > > Friday, January 25, 2008 12:04 PM > Re: Kosher Vegetarian Friendly? > > > Kosher can be fairly complicated, but Kosher gelatin would be veggie. > If the label says Kosher PARVE then it would be veggie for sure. > Since the dietary laws require that each animal be slaughtered in a > " Kosher " way, it is not practical for gelatin, where they make it from > the hoofs and tendons of all sorts of animals. So they could not > claim " Kosher " and " Kosher " gelatin has to be vegetarian. A rabbi has > to be present in the slaughtering of each animal, and it would not be > possible of practical to get a rabbi for each animal part involved in > making gelatin the usual way (not vegetarian) since I think it is more > e of a byproduct (gross, sorry). > > Kosher means it follows the Jewish dietary laws. Some animals are not > eaten at all, the ones that are eaten have to be slaughtered in a > certain way (humanely presumably but let's not go there...) Meat and > dairy are never to be consumed together ('thou shall not boil a kid in > its mother milk', it is in the old testament), so food can be > designated as meat, dairy and Parve. Parve can be consumed with meat > or dairy and it is usually vegan but may contain egg (eggs are > considered parve). Confused yet? OK, I said it is complicated, but > if it says KOSHER PARVE or just PARVE you are safe, but if you are > vegan double check the label for eggs. > > I better stop here before confusing anyone any further (Cabrita) > > , Donna Ellis <tupelopm@> wrote: > > > > Thank you, Judy, for the Kosher link. > > Donna E > > (Los Angeles) > > > > --- wwjd <jtwigg@> wrote: Kosher does > > not mean animal free. It is the way an animal is > > killed > > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kosher_foods > > > Judy > > > > > > > > > ________ > > Never miss a thing. Make your home page. > > http://www./r/hs > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 There was a reason for all of the dietary laws of the Jewish religion. Many of them were for safety reasons: don't eat pork or scavengers. Others were for cerimonial reasons to remind them of things they need to remember. I don't think they had any prohabitions on grains. Wheat and kamut and amaranth and quinoa were staples of their diet. They did not know about rice. I don't know why the beans and lentils weren't allowed durring passover, but I will find out for you. Katie rosetalleo <rosetalleo wrote: This is terrible, I wonder how they came up with that? now I remember being so annoyed with all these dietary laws that made no sense to me. They also prohibit lentils and beans during passover, just because the bread had not time to rise when fleeing Egypt. So leavened bread is not allowed that week (somewhat reasonable) but why did they extend this to beans and lentils? and rice and all other grains? so vegetarians have nothing to eat? go figure. Thanks for bringing this up, I will no longer assume that PARVE is not meat. , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > > What is kosher gelatine? > > from the Vegetarian Resource Group: > Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins. Contrary to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with dairy products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides used in gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning of pareve refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many people assume this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU pareve certified ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, eggs, and gelatin, in them. > " Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve', " an article that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. A quote from the article is as follows: > " ...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy products. " > > http://www.ivu.org/faq/gelatine.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Katie, I believe that in the Ashkenazim tradition they are not allowed but in the Sephardi tradition they are. Sephardi jews were the ones that migrated from Spain in 1492 and earlier (well, actually they were asked to leave...) Many of them went to north Africa, some to America. Ashkenazim jews migrated to easter Europe. I am talking about rice and lentils during passover. I am neither, but a while back, I was asked to convert, so I looked into all these dietary rules, since I was a vegetarian and wanted to be vegan. I ended up not converting, but agreed to keep a kosher household in support of his religion. That was OK most of the time, but not during passover. Cabrita , Katie M <cozycate wrote: > > There was a reason for all of the dietary laws of the Jewish religion. Many of them were for safety reasons: don't eat pork or scavengers. > Others were for cerimonial reasons to remind them of things they need to remember. I don't think they had any prohabitions on grains. Wheat and kamut and amaranth and quinoa were staples of their diet. They did not know about rice. I don't know why the beans and lentils weren't allowed durring passover, but I will find out for you. > Katie > > rosetalleo <rosetalleo wrote: > This is terrible, I wonder how they came up with that? now I remember > being so annoyed with all these dietary laws that made no sense to me. > They also prohibit lentils and beans during passover, just because > the bread had not time to rise when fleeing Egypt. So leavened bread > is not allowed that week (somewhat reasonable) but why did they extend > this to beans and lentils? and rice and all other grains? so > vegetarians have nothing to eat? go figure. Thanks for bringing this > up, I will no longer assume that PARVE is not meat. > > , " wwjd " <jtwigg@> wrote: > > > > What is kosher gelatine? > > > > from the Vegetarian Resource Group: > > Kosher gelatin can be made with fish bones, and/or beef skins. > Contrary to assumptions, it is also considered kosher to use it with > dairy products. Kosher law is very complex and the bones and hides > used in gelatin production are considered pareve. The general meaning > of pareve refers to foods that are neither milk nor meat, and many > people assume this means that the product is vegetarian. However, OU > pareve certified ingredients can have animal products, such as fish, > eggs, and gelatin, in them. > > " Kosher Gelatin Marshmallows: Glatt Kosher and 'OU-Pareve', " an > article that appeared in Kashrus Magazine, explains the distinctions. > A quote from the article is as follows: > > " ...since the gelatin product is from hides or bones - not real > flesh - and has undergone such significant changes, it is no longer > considered 'fleishig' (meat) but 'pareve', and can be eaten with dairy > products. " > > > > http://www.ivu.org/faq/gelatine.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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