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[Guest guest]

Rich,

 

Why don't you aim to take a long walk every day. Then do a bunch of pushups,

squats, pullups, whatever, preferably outside. An hour or so of yoga when you

wake up would be nice, too. All of that is better than TV. Getting out in the

sun helps with depression, even if it's cloudy and rainy out.

 

Take a walk to the library, get some good books, and unplug your TV.

 

What kind of raw food are you eating?

 

Hang in there.

 

Mark

-

Rawist

rawfood

Sunday, December 26, 2004 8:20 PM

[Raw Food] Ugh

 

 

 

Well, another raw day. I know you all wanted to know how I'm doing.

I'm in a lot of pain though with the detox. I'd like to believe it's

just physical toxins, but I sense a real spiritual and mindal,

painful cleansing going on. My diet is tied in my mind very much to

God's will and I'm never going to be released from this mentality.

 

This was a particularly rough day because I suffered a painful

disappointment earlier and I really wanted to eat non-raw just to

alter my mentality. I've managed to not do it though, even though

it's been a very boring day with nothing but the television for

something to do. I'm not driving and won't be for probably a long

time and it's hard to take bus rides places, nothing of interest that

I want to do.

 

Rich

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rich,

Hope you are having a much better day today Rich. I am wondering

about the pain you are in ... it seems so all consuming. Is it

getting at all better? I hope so.

 

Congrats on your staying raw in the face of a difficult day. I know

how hard that is, and you need to pat yourself on the back for

that!!!

 

Focus on all those positive things you are doing, and eventually

they will become the main part of your life and the negatives will

quietly begin to slip away. It happens, it just doesn't happen

quick is all.

 

What part of the country/world do you live in, Rich?

 

cheers

terry

 

 

 

rawfood , " Rawist " <seconaphim> wrote:

>

> Well, another raw day. I know you all wanted to know how I'm

doing.

> I'm in a lot of pain though with the detox. I'd like to believe

it's

> just physical toxins, but I sense a real spiritual and mindal,

> painful cleansing going on. My diet is tied in my mind very much

to

> God's will and I'm never going to be released from this mentality.

>

> This was a particularly rough day because I suffered a painful

> disappointment earlier and I really wanted to eat non-raw just to

> alter my mentality. I've managed to not do it though, even though

> it's been a very boring day with nothing but the television for

> something to do. I'm not driving and won't be for probably a long

> time and it's hard to take bus rides places, nothing of interest

that

> I want to do.

>

> Rich

[Guest guest]

I'll take that under advisement but I haven't been much of an

exerciser for twenty years and it would be hard to do it. It's also

freezing in Philadelphia area right now and it would be hard to get

any enthusiasum for a walk. Excuses, I know, but the old habit of

not exercising at all would be hard to break.

 

There is a hot tub here that I plan to use just to stimulate the body

in a different way and hopefully help with the physical detox.

 

Hopefully, I can give up the TV one day. If I start working and even

driving again someday, then I can go to events at night and on the

weekend.

 

Glad you asked. For breakfast I had a little spinach, tomato,

cucumber, broccoli and apple and I just ate a banana. I try to just

eat whole, raw fruits and vegetables, and I go to raw nuts

sometimes. I cannot believe how painful it is to just pick up a

fruit or vegetable and eat it, but it is. Eating living food is like

taking medicine or something, the mind rebels against it.

 

All the other animals only have one, two or a few things they eat.

Why am I in so much pain, mentally and physically, just eating fresh

fruits and vegetables? I shouldn't be, hopefully it will pass

someday.

 

rawfood , " Mark Hovila " <hovila@c...> wrote:

> Rich,

>

> Why don't you aim to take a long walk every day. Then do a bunch

of pushups, squats, pullups, whatever, preferably outside. An hour

or so of yoga when you wake up would be nice, too. All of that is

better than TV. Getting out in the sun helps with depression, even

if it's cloudy and rainy out.

>

> Take a walk to the library, get some good books, and unplug your TV.

>

> What kind of raw food are you eating?

>

> Hang in there.

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

Hi, Rich,

 

I've been reading your emails and just have a couple of thoughts:

 

First, are you eating enough fruit? As a raw foodist, that's where most of your

carbs should come from, and that might be part of the issue. If you don't have a

carbs, it affects you both physically and mentally, as well as emotionally.

 

Second, I know you said conventional religion just gives you something to do,

and that made me wonder if you have ever considered volunteering at a local soup

kitchen or hospital, something like that where your focus would be outward; I

know that kind of thing helps me to get out of my self, so to speak, and makes a

big difference in my outlook on life.

 

Hope things improve for you.

 

Peace,

Valerie

 

Rawist <seconaphim wrote:

 

I'll take that under advisement but I haven't been much of an

exerciser for twenty years and it would be hard to do it. It's also

freezing in Philadelphia area right now and it would be hard to get

any enthusiasum for a walk. Excuses, I know, but the old habit of

not exercising at all would be hard to break.

 

There is a hot tub here that I plan to use just to stimulate the body

in a different way and hopefully help with the physical detox.

 

Hopefully, I can give up the TV one day. If I start working and even

driving again someday, then I can go to events at night and on the

weekend.

 

Glad you asked. For breakfast I had a little spinach, tomato,

cucumber, broccoli and apple and I just ate a banana. I try to just

eat whole, raw fruits and vegetables, and I go to raw nuts

sometimes. I cannot believe how painful it is to just pick up a

fruit or vegetable and eat it, but it is. Eating living food is like

taking medicine or something, the mind rebels against it.

 

All the other animals only have one, two or a few things they eat.

Why am I in so much pain, mentally and physically, just eating fresh

fruits and vegetables? I shouldn't be, hopefully it will pass

someday.

 

rawfood , " Mark Hovila " <hovila@c...> wrote:

> Rich,

>

> Why don't you aim to take a long walk every day. Then do a bunch

of pushups, squats, pullups, whatever, preferably outside. An hour

or so of yoga when you wake up would be nice, too. All of that is

better than TV. Getting out in the sun helps with depression, even

if it's cloudy and rainy out.

>

> Take a walk to the library, get some good books, and unplug your TV.

>

> What kind of raw food are you eating?

>

> Hang in there.

>

> Mark

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

sorry, I meant to say if you don't have " enough " carbs, it can affect you...

 

Rawist <seconaphim wrote:

I'll take that under advisement but I haven't been much of an

exerciser for twenty years and it would be hard to do it. It's also

freezing in Philadelphia area right now and it would be hard to get

any enthusiasum for a walk. Excuses, I know, but the old habit of

not exercising at all would be hard to break.

 

There is a hot tub here that I plan to use just to stimulate the body

in a different way and hopefully help with the physical detox.

 

Hopefully, I can give up the TV one day. If I start working and even

driving again someday, then I can go to events at night and on the

weekend.

 

Glad you asked. For breakfast I had a little spinach, tomato,

cucumber, broccoli and apple and I just ate a banana. I try to just

eat whole, raw fruits and vegetables, and I go to raw nuts

sometimes. I cannot believe how painful it is to just pick up a

fruit or vegetable and eat it, but it is. Eating living food is like

taking medicine or something, the mind rebels against it.

 

All the other animals only have one, two or a few things they eat.

Why am I in so much pain, mentally and physically, just eating fresh

fruits and vegetables? I shouldn't be, hopefully it will pass

someday.

 

rawfood , " Mark Hovila " <hovila@c...> wrote:

> Rich,

>

> Why don't you aim to take a long walk every day. Then do a bunch

of pushups, squats, pullups, whatever, preferably outside. An hour

or so of yoga when you wake up would be nice, too. All of that is

better than TV. Getting out in the sun helps with depression, even

if it's cloudy and rainy out.

>

> Take a walk to the library, get some good books, and unplug your TV.

>

> What kind of raw food are you eating?

>

> Hang in there.

>

> Mark

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hey Rich,

 

You can exercise in front of the TV, too. Get an exercise video - you can

probably get them free from the library. And if you don't have a VCR or DVD

player, you can exercise while watching the news, sitcoms, or whatever. Better

yet, get a walkman so you can listen to the radio and still move around. I

would really suggest getting outside even for 10 minutes a day, no matter how

cold. You have warm clothes, don't you?

 

Good luck.

 

Mark

-

Rawist

rawfood

Monday, December 27, 2004 6:54 AM

Re: [Raw Food] Ugh

 

 

 

I'll take that under advisement but I haven't been much of an

exerciser for twenty years and it would be hard to do it. It's also

freezing in Philadelphia area right now and it would be hard to get

any enthusiasum for a walk. Excuses, I know, but the old habit of

not exercising at all would be hard to break.

 

There is a hot tub here that I plan to use just to stimulate the body

in a different way and hopefully help with the physical detox.

 

Hopefully, I can give up the TV one day. If I start working and even

driving again someday, then I can go to events at night and on the

weekend.

 

Glad you asked. For breakfast I had a little spinach, tomato,

cucumber, broccoli and apple and I just ate a banana. I try to just

eat whole, raw fruits and vegetables, and I go to raw nuts

sometimes. I cannot believe how painful it is to just pick up a

fruit or vegetable and eat it, but it is. Eating living food is like

taking medicine or something, the mind rebels against it.

 

All the other animals only have one, two or a few things they eat.

Why am I in so much pain, mentally and physically, just eating fresh

fruits and vegetables? I shouldn't be, hopefully it will pass

someday.

 

rawfood , " Mark Hovila " <hovila@c...> wrote:

> Rich,

>

> Why don't you aim to take a long walk every day. Then do a bunch

of pushups, squats, pullups, whatever, preferably outside. An hour

or so of yoga when you wake up would be nice, too. All of that is

better than TV. Getting out in the sun helps with depression, even

if it's cloudy and rainy out.

>

> Take a walk to the library, get some good books, and unplug your TV.

>

> What kind of raw food are you eating?

>

> Hang in there.

>

> Mark

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I eat about 50% fruit and vegetables. Of course, that depends on how

you define a fruit, anything with seeds. Fruit is tastier than

vegetables, but I just sense that balanced nutrition can't come from

just sweet stuff. I may be wrong about this and I'm sure some

fruitarians eat nothing but sweet things and are fine.

 

No, I don't think it's a matter of what I eat. I'm just early in the

raw food diet and a change like this is taxing mentally, emotionally,

physically. It would be the same for any major change for any human

being, I assume. I just have to tough it out and maybe things will

get better someday.

 

I've never wanted to venture out to volunteer, not my kind of crowd.

It would be helpful, I agree, if I could.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly>

wrote:

> Hi, Rich,

>

> I've been reading your emails and just have a couple of thoughts:

>

> First, are you eating enough fruit? As a raw foodist, that's where

most of your carbs should come from, and that might be part of the

issue. If you don't have a carbs, it affects you both physically and

mentally, as well as emotionally.

>

> Second, I know you said conventional religion just gives you

something to do, and that made me wonder if you have ever considered

volunteering at a local soup kitchen or hospital, something like that

where your focus would be outward; I know that kind of thing helps me

to get out of my self, so to speak, and makes a big difference in my

outlook on life.

>

> Hope things improve for you.

>

> Peace,

> Valerie

[Guest guest]

Lol. Even if I could get myself to exercise it would only be a

temporary measure as I just don't believe in it. And it's hard for

me to do things I don't believe I'll do forever. I do step outside

everyday just to see the outside. Recently, I've been walking to the

local AA meeting. And I definitely like long underwear.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " Mark Hovila " <hovila@c...> wrote:

> Hey Rich,

>

> You can exercise in front of the TV, too. Get an exercise video -

you can probably get them free from the library. And if you don't

have a VCR or DVD player, you can exercise while watching the news,

sitcoms, or whatever. Better yet, get a walkman so you can listen to

the radio and still move around. I would really suggest getting

outside even for 10 minutes a day, no matter how cold. You have warm

clothes, don't you?

>

> Good luck.

>

> Mark

[Guest guest]

It's about the same today without any major disappointments to

increase the pain. Thanks for the support. It's hard to focus on

the positive things when 24 hours takes so long to pass and nothing

changes. But I know change doesn't happen quick and somehow I just

have to be able to hang in there for the long term.

 

King of Prussia, PA - Philadelphia suburbs.

 

Rich

 

I'm looking forward to when the negatives quietly begin to slip away.

 

rawfood , " terry " <levamssg> wrote:

>

>

> Rich,

> Hope you are having a much better day today Rich. I am wondering

> about the pain you are in ... it seems so all consuming. Is it

> getting at all better? I hope so.

>

> Congrats on your staying raw in the face of a difficult day. I

know

> how hard that is, and you need to pat yourself on the back for

> that!!!

>

> Focus on all those positive things you are doing, and eventually

> they will become the main part of your life and the negatives will

> quietly begin to slip away. It happens, it just doesn't happen

> quick is all.

>

> What part of the country/world do you live in, Rich?

>

> cheers

> terry

[Guest guest]

Hi Rich,

 

I'm curious. What do you mean you don't believe in exercise?

 

To me that is sort of like saying, I don't believe in being healthy. Or

do you just mean that up until this time, you haven't enjoyed

exercising?

 

Exercise is vital for good health. You can't just eat raw and expect the

best results. You also need to incorporate the other health factors. You

are only as strong as your weakest link.

 

I absolutely love exercise and working out. But there was a time in my

life I hated working out. I found a way that I like and now I'm really

into it. For some people getting involved in sports gives them a fun way

to exercise. Others love to dance. Or just playing with young children

can give you a hell of a workout.

 

In the premodern era, survival was based on movement and exercise. It

was a natural part of living. Exercise is very important for clearing

toxic debris from your lymphatic system. Find a way to enjoy exercise

and you will definitely improve your health and state of mind.

 

For most people their diet is their weakest link. But you need to get

enough rest, sunshine, exercise, fresh air, clean water and stay in a

positive emotional balance. If any of these or other health factors are

neglected you simply can not have ideal health or happiness.

 

I had depression for 6.5 years. For me going raw was all I needed to do

and I was instantly relieved of my depression. But I was doing ok in the

other health categories already.

 

Sorry if I'm butting in. I hope this was of some help.

 

To Your Radiant Health, Happiness and Fitness, Roger Haeske

 

P.S. Are you having trouble staying 100% raw? Are you afraid of eating

fruit? Are you sick of the time consuming effort of having to juice,

sprout, dehydrate and ferment your foods? Discover the simple secrets to

raw food success from Radiant Health and Peak Performance Coach, Roger

Haeske. http://www.HowToGoRaw.com for more info.

 

 

Rawist [seconaphim]

Monday, December 27, 2004 4:47 PM

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Ugh

 

 

 

Lol. Even if I could get myself to exercise it would only be a

temporary measure as I just don't believe in it. And it's hard for

me to do things I don't believe I'll do forever. I do step outside

everyday just to see the outside. Recently, I've been walking to the

local AA meeting. And I definitely like long underwear.

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

At Mon, 27 Dec 2004 it looks like Roger Haeske composed:

 

>

> Hi Rich,

>

> I'm curious. What do you mean you don't believe in exercise?

>

> To me that is sort of like saying, I don't believe in being healthy. Or

> do you just mean that up until this time, you haven't enjoyed

> exercising?

 

<humbly_snipped>

 

<no_flame_war>

 

I have been holding my mug on this for a while and I always

expressed my views on exercise. YOU NEED TO DO IT.

 

I have been to many a raw food events and it's always humored me

that that alot of the people tooting their own horn probably can't

run around the block once without stopping or do ONE pullup or do

TEN situps !!!

 

Yes, they eat well and probably have a good PH level but what good

is a car with a good engine with NO wheels?

 

That's my own spin on it.

 

When I get into " food " debates and I feel that the other person is

just tooting their own horn for ego reasons, I usually suggest

that we postpone the conversation till we can talk about it

further " side-by-side " on a treadmill etc.

 

You get my point I hope.

 

Anyway, you need to exercise, you need muscle, you need to strive

to be able to pick your own body weight up ONCE to possibly save

your own life in a fire!! Think of that.

 

Try to do 10 pushups. If you can do 10 pushups, then give

yourself 30 days to up the count to 20. That would be a personal

challenge to yourself, not to me.

 

Namaste.

 

--

Bill Schoolcraft

PO Box 210076

San Francisco,CA 94121

United States of America

http://billschoolcraft.com

 

" We can find no wealth above a healthy body and a happy heart. "

[Guest guest]

Rich,

I agree that going from SAD to raw, 100% in one fell swoop is

challenging. That is precisely what I did ... July 31st, 2004, was

the last day I ate SAD food. August 1st I embarked on 100% raw and

am still there. I didn't slowly transition one bit.

 

Yes, some tough going. Yes, wanting SAD food at first. Yes,

adjusting to the bombardment out there of SAD food in our

society ... but if you have set your mind to do this because you

WANT to do it, then you can do it.

 

But it appears you are Dwelling on it. Don't think too much about

it, Just Do It, and get on with the rest of your life. And you say

MAYBE things will get better? Adjust that thinking to WHEN things

get better, because they are every day. Maybe right now it is from

the inside out, but your body appreciates what you are doing. The

trick is, YOU have to appreciate it too. Have fun with the food -

enjoy it. This is a wonderful adventure!

 

cheers

terry

 

 

rawfood , " Rawist " <seconaphim> wrote:

>

> I eat about 50% fruit and vegetables. Of course, that depends on

how

> you define a fruit, anything with seeds. Fruit is tastier than

> vegetables, but I just sense that balanced nutrition can't come

from

> just sweet stuff. I may be wrong about this and I'm sure some

> fruitarians eat nothing but sweet things and are fine.

>

> No, I don't think it's a matter of what I eat. I'm just early in

the

> raw food diet and a change like this is taxing mentally,

emotionally,

> physically. It would be the same for any major change for any

human

> being, I assume. I just have to tough it out and maybe things

will

> get better someday.

>

> I've never wanted to venture out to volunteer, not my kind of

crowd.

> It would be helpful, I agree, if I could.

>

> Rich

>

> rawfood , Valerie Mills Daly <valdaly>

> wrote:

> > Hi, Rich,

> >

> > I've been reading your emails and just have a couple of thoughts:

> >

> > First, are you eating enough fruit? As a raw foodist, that's

where

> most of your carbs should come from, and that might be part of the

> issue. If you don't have a carbs, it affects you both physically

and

> mentally, as well as emotionally.

> >

> > Second, I know you said conventional religion just gives you

> something to do, and that made me wonder if you have ever

considered

> volunteering at a local soup kitchen or hospital, something like

that

> where your focus would be outward; I know that kind of thing helps

me

> to get out of my self, so to speak, and makes a big difference in

my

> outlook on life.

> >

> > Hope things improve for you.

> >

> > Peace,

> > Valerie

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 02:33:26PM -0800, Bill Schoolcraft wrote:

> <no_flame_war>

>

> I have been holding my mug on this for a while and I always

> expressed my views on exercise. YOU NEED TO DO IT.

>

> I have been to many a raw food events and it's always humored me

> that that alot of the people tooting their own horn probably can't

> run around the block once without stopping or do ONE pullup or do

> TEN situps !!!

>

> Yes, they eat well and probably have a good PH level but what good

> is a car with a good engine with NO wheels?

 

I kind of thing this is a completly different topic for people. I mean getting

physically fit and/or strong is just as much something to consider for

raw fooders as people who eat normal diets.

 

I'm not sure if I'm exprssing my self right. I'm trying to say you could go

an event on just about topic and find people who are in the same category.

 

Some people consider what they eat very important but have no desire to

be able to do pullups or be able to run.

 

I am a personal trainer (side job) and think what you are saying is very

important for people but I just think it is unrealted to rawfooding.

 

From my expieriece, I've noticed that many raw fooders gravitate toward

Yoga.

 

 

 

Yoga confuses me. To me it is essentialy stretching. I am very interested in

it and am confused when I hear people saying it will get you in great shape. I

see some Yoga masters that have really big bellies hanging out and have

skinny arms, but can put their foot behind their head.

 

It makes me think that Yoga alone is not enough to be really fit.

(wow, I really changed the subject, this should probably be a different post

on a different group, but am thinking maybe someone here can fill me in

on what I'm lacking in knowledge)

[Guest guest]

I don't know. I just think a person is perfectly healthy without any

formal exercise. The average amount of walking that a person does

each day seems fine to me.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " Roger Haeske " <roger2@m...> wrote:

> Hi Rich,

>

> I'm curious. What do you mean you don't believe in exercise?

[Guest guest]

I wouldn't be posting on here if I wasn't 100% raw (see my last

post). I would be much too funked out mentally for it.

 

Rich

 

rawfood , " terry " <levamssg> wrote:

>

>

> Rich,

> I agree that going from SAD to raw, 100% in one fell swoop is

> challenging. That is precisely what I did ... July 31st, 2004, was

> the last day I ate SAD food. August 1st I embarked on 100% raw and

> am still there. I didn't slowly transition one bit.

[Guest guest]

I don't know. I just think a person is perfectly healthy without any

formal exercise. The average amount of walking that a person does

each day seems fine to me.

[Roger H.]

Well for one thing, exercise is very good to combat depression. It just

makes you feel good. The average walking most Westerners do these days

isn't enough for what I would call exercise. If you live in NYC in a

walkup apartment, you are probably getting a great workout by just

walking and going up and down your stairs.

 

I'm sure you would exercise if you realized the wonderful benefits of

it. I had some articles I wrote on it. Maybe later I can find one and

post it. Exercise can be fun and in the opinion of every single health

authority I have ever read or talked to, they all agree on the

importance of vigorous exercise.

 

I have an exercise program that is fun to do and it will get you in

great shape and you don't need any equipment. It's at

www.superbeing.com/lightning

 

Maybe you'll catch the fun and excitement of exercise. You can do a

search on google of the benefits of exercise. I just did that and found

this one link.

http://www.nutristrategy.com/health.htm

 

They of course had thousands more links.

 

To Your Radiant Health, Happiness and Fitness, Roger Haeske

 

P.S. Would you like to Get Explosive Speed, Marathon Endurance and

Sculpted Muscular Legs, in One Easy and No-Equipment Exercise, that You

Can Do While Watching TV?

http://www.Superbeing.com/ls for more info.

[Guest guest]

At Mon, 27 Dec 2004 it looks like johnd composed:

 

<humbly_snipped>

 

> Some people consider what they eat very important but have no desire to

> be able to do pullups or be able to run.

 

What I was trying to say in a gentle, loving way but let my

feelings get in the way is that just eating raw food is not the

full answer. I don't even know if there is a full answer but what

I do understand from being around raw foodist is that there is a

major lack of excercise and everyone looking at the " raw " diet as

the magic bullet.

 

> I am a personal trainer (side job) and think what you are saying is very

> important for people but I just think it is unrealted to rawfooding.

 

It was more or less directed at the notion that just going raw

will cure all. That idea/belief I find very disturbing.

>

> From my expieriece, I've noticed that many raw fooders gravitate toward

> Yoga.

 

Yes, I myself have been practicing Bikram Yoga for the last three

years plus have been still active in my gym membership which is a

real battle for me for the two disciplines clash but the " clash "

is a good one.

 

All I'm trying to say, in a nutshell, is to please don't rely on

diet alone.

 

> Yoga confuses me. To me it is essentialy stretching. I am very interested in

> it and am confused when I hear people saying it will get you in great shape.

I

> see some Yoga masters that have really big bellies hanging out and have

> skinny arms, but can put their foot behind their head.

 

I found that just doing Yoga, left me without a " core " heat that

used to enable me to just go outside in a T-Shirt. I couldn't

figure it out at first then sat down and methodically tried to

determine what was missing from my diet/life and it was

weightlifting.

 

> It makes me think that Yoga alone is not enough to be really fit.

> (wow, I really changed the subject, this should probably be a different post

> on a different group, but am thinking maybe someone here can fill me in

> on what I'm lacking in knowledge)

 

I can't comment on anything else, just what works for me. There

are no better weeks in my life than the ones where I get in two

Bikram Yoga classes and two visits to the gym.

 

Just my $0.02

[Guest guest]

On Mon, Dec 27, 2004 at 10:51:11PM -0800, Bill Schoolcraft wrote:

>

> What I was trying to say in a gentle, loving way but let my

> feelings get in the way is that just eating raw food is not the

> full answer. I don't even know if there is a full answer but what

> I do understand from being around raw foodist is that there is a

> major lack of excercise and everyone looking at the " raw " diet as

> the magic bullet.

>

I hope your not offended. The way you say 'gentle, loving' makes me think you

feel

that I was harsh. I'm not angry, I simply disagree.

 

I actually fall into that group. I think if you are eating %100 raw you will

have nearly perfect health. Being strong is a different story.

I think you can have great health with almost no exercise. I think diet

alone can make the difference. I don't that goes reverse with exercise

though.

 

>

>

> All I'm trying to say, in a nutshell, is to please don't rely on

> diet alone.

 

 

I happen to value being physically strong and in good shape, but I think

that is another type of health. My school of thought on exercise is to

focus on power moves and very little aerobics. I do think people should

be doing some type of resistance training on a regular basis.

 

I just want to state that I think exercise is a very rewarding thing, but I

can see a person being totally health with out any formal exercise. I have

seen many people who demonstrate this.

 

 

I think we probably have a different definition of what is good health is.

[Guest guest]

At Tue, 28 Dec 2004 it looks like johnd composed:

 

<humbly_snipped>

 

> I just want to state that I think exercise is a very rewarding thing, but I

> can see a person being totally health with out any formal exercise. I have

> seen many people who demonstrate this.

>

> I think we probably have a different definition of what is good health is.

>

 

Thanks John for your reply.

 

Let me see if I can redefine what I had in mind when I wrote my

thoughts on exercise.....

 

I just feel that if a person is of a good body weight, good

health, they should be able to use their two arms and and two legs

to be able to lets say....

 

(A) Climb up or down a ladder to save their own lives in a fire.

 

(B) Run around the block once without stopping to save their own

lives in an emergency or to " run for help " if their family is in

danger... Not collapse 50 feet away being totally out of breath

and in actuality, " out of shape. "

 

The above examples were ones used when I was a kid (in the 60's)

and they had PE (Physical Education) on a daily basis.

 

They had " simple " guidlines bases on your own body with no

barbells or machines etc. Here is how it went.

 

(A) 10 pullups in one minute = A

 

(B) 30 situps in one minute = A

 

© 50 yard dash in less than 15 seconds = " passed "

 

 

Now, I can't EXACTLY recall if those were the exact numbers but it

was a Catholic School and they had their own rules. But what I do

know is that we were by far much more physiclly fit than our

Public School counter parts.

 

In nature, animals seem to be able to achive their own " feats " of

health or they don't survive. If someone is totally happy with

not being able climb over a fence or jump over a puddle or swim

across a small river then more power to them. All of the above is

just my idea of health.

 

I'm open for comments.

 

Namaste.

 

--

Bill Schoolcraft

PO Box 210076

San Francisco,CA 94121

United States of America

http://billschoolcraft.com

 

" We can find no wealth above a healthy body and a happy heart. "

[Guest guest]

speaking of wimpy.....

i can't seem to move very well on my own....

ate waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much fer lunch

rebecca and i made a ton of stuff last nite

mango and mint spring rolls

somosas

spanakopitta

and seitan stroganoff....

 

cooked from 6pm til almost midnite.....

 

and, then she brought me a bunch of it today fer lunch..and a salad....

 

ugh....

 

delicious..but...

need a wheelbarrel

 

fraggle

 

 

 

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I'm glad it was good - you'd better sit tight for a while.

 

Jo

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" fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

 

Saturday, February 18, 2006 12:26 AM

UGH

 

 

> speaking of wimpy.....

> i can't seem to move very well on my own....

> ate waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much fer lunch

> rebecca and i made a ton of stuff last nite

> mango and mint spring rolls

> somosas

> spanakopitta

> and seitan stroganoff....

>

> cooked from 6pm til almost midnite.....

>

> and, then she brought me a bunch of it today fer lunch..and a salad....

[Guest guest]

How lucky you are. Want to borrow my wheel BARROW? Soup for dinner, shop bought, it was crap, still , my wife kiddlets and I are going out for a Chinese tonight to celebrate her Birthday, and also to celebrate getting yesterdays hospital visit out of the way. I hate those back to front gowns, they should nail the guy up by his ballos.............. The Valley Vegan.............fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: speaking of wimpy.....i can't seem to move very well on my own....ate waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much fer lunchrebecca and i made a ton of stuff last nitemango and mint spring rollssomosasspanakopittaand seitan stroganoff....cooked from 6pm til almost midnite.....and, then she brought me a bunch of it today fer lunch..and a

salad....ugh....delicious..but...need a wheelbarrelfraggle"NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President."To send an email to -

[Guest guest]

Rebecca?

 

I'm glad your in love

 

do you have the recipe for vegan spanakopita.

That was one of my favorite foods when I was vegetarian.

 

I would love to try it.

 

Isn't cooking wonderful, when you know that nothing died for it?

 

 

 

 

, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

>

> speaking of wimpy.....

> i can't seem to move very well on my own....

> ate waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much fer lunch

> rebecca and i made a ton of stuff last nite

> mango and mint spring rolls

> somosas

> spanakopitta

> and seitan stroganoff....

>

> cooked from 6pm til almost midnite.....

>

> and, then she brought me a bunch of it today fer lunch..and a salad....

>

> ugh....

>

> delicious..but...

> need a wheelbarrel

>

> fraggle