Guest guest Posted March 8, 2006 Report Share Posted March 8, 2006 Hey Humans, I have been a vegan for the past 1 and half years. Its been the most precious time of my whole life. I am 22. I was just having this discussion with my friend when he asked, " If you think that killing animals or torturing animals is bad. Then why do you eat plants. They are also living things and they have life. " I said, " Plants dont have the pain factor. " . He said, " Oh, fruits and vegetables are products, so they are kinda okay, but what about roots like carrots and potatoes, u destroy the whole plant by eating them .. . " I was answerless .. . Does someone have an answer? Please do enlighten me. Thanks, Shiva -- ShivaGraduate Student,State University of New York,Binghamtonhttp://www.shiv.co.nrTo ease another's heartache is to forget one's own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Why feel the need to justify yourself to someone who seems to be doing nothing for an ethical reason? Jo - Shiva K Wednesday, March 08, 2006 1:53 AM A small concern Hey Humans,I have been a vegan for the past 1 and half years. Its been the most precious time of my whole life. I am 22.I was just having this discussion with my friend when he asked,"If you think that killing animals or torturing animals is bad.Then why do you eat plants. They are also living things and they have life."I said,"Plants dont have the pain factor.".He said,"Oh, fruits and vegetables are products, so they are kinda okay, but what about roots like carrots and potatoes, u destroy the whole plant by eating them .. ."I was answerless .. .Does someone have an answer?Please do enlighten me.Thanks,Shiva-- ShivaGraduate Student,State University of New York,Binghamtonhttp://www.shiv.co.nrTo ease another's heartache is to forget one's own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Hi Shiva~ First, who are you calling a human?! I have to be honest, I myself do not have a good answer for this. But I can say that when you use a root plant, you may be destroying it, but there are ways to regenerate a new plant from it. As for the rest, I shall leave that to those with a more eloquent voice than mine. Tho I cannot understand how your friend can equate the suffering and death of an animal with that of eating a plant. But we all must justify things in our lives I suppose. Nikki , " Shiva K " <shgroups wrote: > > Hey Humans, > I have been a vegan for the past 1 and half years. Its been the most > precious time of my whole life. I am 22. > I was just having this discussion with my friend when he asked, " If you think > that killing animals or torturing animals is bad. > Then why do you eat plants. They are also living things and they have life. " > I said, " Plants dont have the pain factor. " . > He said, " Oh, fruits and vegetables are products, so they are kinda okay, but > what about roots like carrots and potatoes, u destroy the whole plant by > eating them .. . " > I was answerless .. . > Does someone have an answer? > Please do enlighten me. > Thanks, > Shiva > > > -- > Shiva > > Graduate Student, > State University of New York, > Binghamton > > http://www.shiv.co.nr > > To ease another's heartache is to forget one's own. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 On Tue, March 7, 2006 5:53 pm, Shiva K said: > Hey Humans, > I have been a vegan for the past 1 and half years. Its been the most > precious time of my whole life. I am 22. > I was just having this discussion with my friend when he asked, " If you > think > that killing animals or torturing animals is bad. > Then why do you eat plants. They are also living things and they have > life. " > I said, " Plants dont have the pain factor. " . > He said, " Oh, fruits and vegetables are products, so they are kinda okay, > but > what about roots like carrots and potatoes, u destroy the whole plant by > eating them .. . " > I was answerless .. . > Does someone have an answer? I have two answers. First, when you eat an animal, you eat FAR more vegetables than you do if you eat the vegetables directly. Second, you have to eat *something* -- whether plant or animal -- and plants are better for you, the environment, and your ethics. It's clear that animals feel pain, but not clear that vegetables do, so choosing to eat vegetables is the more ethical path. serene -- The Reluctant Vegan: http://www.reluctantvegan.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 On Fri, March 10, 2006 5:47 am, Shiva K said: > Hey all, > Thanks for replying. > But, dont you think he has a valid point in saying that eating plants is > also some kinda cruel thing. Just asking. And my point is that it's essentially moot. We have to eat. Eating plants is less cruel than eating animals, and even if it's true that plants suffer, *fewer* plant will suffer if you don't eat animals. serene -- The Reluctant Vegan: http://www.reluctantvegan.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Besides that, how the heck would we live if we didnt eat plants and/or animals?? By eating vegan you are preventing the destruction of land, pain to animals, and as someone else said, much less destruction to plant matter. You are also helping people, like those who work in the meat packing industry, a horrible occupation if there ever was one! You know what made me a vegetarian and then a vegan? That book Fast Food Nation. Ick!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Again, what exactly is the person looking for in answer? those sorta statements always seem like the person is lookin fer some sorta validation... Shiva K Mar 10, 2006 5:47 AM Re: A small concern Hey all,Thanks for replying.But, dont you think he has a valid point in saying that eating plants is also some kinda cruel thing. Just asking.Shiva "NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 Firstly , who the hell is this self righteous jerk, and where did he get he get his holyer than thou attitude? Secondly,.or was he joking? Thirdly, what would he suggest you do, starve to death?die with a clear concience? Fourthly, is he / she realy your friend. Six, I cant count Five, it is unlikely that any plant will live if you eat all the roots, yet it is possible with potatoes to just harvest some of the tubers, and leave some ( admittedly you wont get away with much, and some crop more than others ), but tap root plants such as carrots and parsnips etc, yes you will kill the plant, but unlike an animal it has no central nervous system, so will not feel pain, also you can eat all of the carrot,or compost the rest to feed other carrots. Let some go to seed or propogate more, by the time you harvest them their lifecycle is mostly over,. Now compare that to animal husbandry............how long can a cow live for naturally compared to how long it can live for on a farm.........about 5 times as long. eight, still cant count. seven, whatever Frag says coz he has more brain cells left than me. nine, are you still speaking to this person?, ask them if it was an attempt at moral blackmail, or trying to make themselves feel better about their own lifestyle? ten, run out of fingers to count now, and you don`t want to be around when I free my tootsies! The Valley Vegan.............Shiva K <shgroups wrote: Hey Humans,I have been a vegan for the past 1 and half years. Its been the most precious time of my whole life. I am 22.I was just having this discussion with my friend when he asked,"If you think that killing animals or torturing animals is bad.Then why do you eat plants. They are also living things and they have life."I said,"Plants dont have the pain factor.".He said,"Oh, fruits and vegetables are products, so they are kinda okay, but what about roots like carrots and potatoes, u destroy the whole plant by eating them .. ."I was answerless .. .Does someone have an answer?Please do enlighten me.Thanks,Shiva-- ShivaGraduate Student,State University of New York,Binghamtonhttp://www.shiv.co.nrTo ease another's heartache is to forget one's own. Peter H Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2006 Report Share Posted March 10, 2006 hey thanks all .. . have been reading everything .. yup .. you guys are right . ..we cant be perfect, can just try to be near it . . he just told this because he wanted to tell me that being a VEGAN aint anything good .. I realise that he was stupid in saying that .. thanks all .. Shiva On 3/10/06, peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: Firstly , who the hell is this self righteous jerk, and where did he get he get his holyer than thou attitude? Secondly,.or was he joking? Thirdly, what would he suggest you do, starve to death?die with a clear concience? Fourthly, is he / she realy your friend. Six, I cant count Five, it is unlikely that any plant will live if you eat all the roots, yet it is possible with potatoes to just harvest some of the tubers, and leave some ( admittedly you wont get away with much, and some crop more than others ), but tap root plants such as carrots and parsnips etc, yes you will kill the plant, but unlike an animal it has no central nervous system, so will not feel pain, also you can eat all of the carrot,or compost the rest to feed other carrots. Let some go to seed or propogate more, by the time you harvest them their lifecycle is mostly over,. Now compare that to animal husbandry............how long can a cow live for naturally compared to how long it can live for on a farm.........about 5 times as long. eight, still cant count. seven, whatever Frag says coz he has more brain cells left than me. nine, are you still speaking to this person?, ask them if it was an attempt at moral blackmail, or trying to make themselves feel better about their own lifestyle? ten, run out of fingers to count now, and you don`t want to be around when I free my tootsies! The Valley Vegan............. Shiva K <shgroups wrote: Hey Humans,I have been a vegan for the past 1 and half years. Its been the most precious time of my whole life. I am 22. I was just having this discussion with my friend when he asked, " If you think that killing animals or torturing animals is bad.Then why do you eat plants. They are also living things and they have life. " I said, " Plants dont have the pain factor. " .He said, " Oh, fruits and vegetables are products, so they are kinda okay, but what about roots like carrots and potatoes, u destroy the whole plant by eating them .. . " I was answerless .. .Does someone have an answer?Please do enlighten me.Thanks,Shiva-- ShivaGraduate Student,State University of New York, Binghamtonhttp://www.shiv.co.nrTo ease another's heartache is to forget one's own. Peter H Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with . Enter now. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 all this vegans don't kill is crap... just look at the pesticides used on the foods/vegetables we eat for a start... nature eats itself. fullstop. washing under armpits with a chemical is possibly mass murder... ;-) i look at it we are human beings trying to be human kind... hey peace... this is friendly... from colin in nz... any other kiwis out there...? though i am anglo-kiwi...left uk many years ago)... though in my heart i hate nationalism and regard myself as a world citizen... ta ta.. - Shiva K Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:53 PM A small concern Hey Humans,I have been a vegan for the past 1 and half years. Its been the most precious time of my whole life. I am 22.I was just having this discussion with my friend when he asked,"If you think that killing animals or torturing animals is bad.Then why do you eat plants. They are also living things and they have life."I said,"Plants dont have the pain factor.".He said,"Oh, fruits and vegetables are products, so they are kinda okay, but what about roots like carrots and potatoes, u destroy the whole plant by eating them .. ."I was answerless .. .Does someone have an answer?Please do enlighten me.Thanks,Shiva-- ShivaGraduate Student,State University of New York,Binghamtonhttp://www.shiv.co.nrTo ease another's heartache is to forget one's own. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 hi shiva/fraggle, I get that questions over and over again. I'm a hipocrite, becuase I eat plants. they are basically saying, ok, i've just pulled a weed, now I can go kill a cow. veganism isn't about being perfect, it is about doing less harm. about reducing ones negative impact whenever possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 To follow on that argument - why not go kill a person? What point are they trying to make? Get them to explain exactly what they think is ethical and moral, and don't waste time answering their questions. Jo - " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato Saturday, March 11, 2006 7:41 AM Re: A small concern > hi shiva/fraggle, > > I get that questions over and over again. > I'm a hipocrite, becuase I eat plants. > they are basically saying, ok, i've just pulled a weed, now I can > go kill a cow. > > veganism isn't about being perfect, it is about doing less harm. > about reducing ones negative impact whenever possible. > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2006 Report Share Posted March 11, 2006 Hey Anouk, Yup ... We cant be perfect .. Just ignore people who talk like this .. . I am gonna do that from now on .. Shiva On 3/11/06, jo <jo.heartwork wrote: To follow on that argument - why not go kill a person? What point are they trying to make? Get them to explain exactly what they think is ethical and moral, and don't waste time answering their questions. Jo - " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato Saturday, March 11, 2006 7:41 AM Re: A small concern > hi shiva/fraggle, > > I get that questions over and over again. > I'm a hipocrite, becuase I eat plants. > they are basically saying, ok, i've just pulled a weed, now I can > go kill a cow. > > veganism isn't about being perfect, it is about doing less harm. > about reducing ones negative impact whenever possible. > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 2006 Report Share Posted March 12, 2006 plants don't have a nervous system. Beings without nervous systems can't feel pain. Anyone who suggests you are a hypocrite for eating plants is juat trying to bait you and I agree with Jo you should not waste your time or energy answering their questions. Stay away from such people or if they manage to get you into this line of discussion, change the subject. , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > To follow on that argument - why not go kill a person? What point are they > trying to make? Get them to explain exactly what they think is ethical and > moral, and don't waste time answering their questions. > > Jo > - > " Anouk Sickler " <zurumato > > Saturday, March 11, 2006 7:41 AM > Re: A small concern > > > > hi shiva/fraggle, > > > > I get that questions over and over again. > > I'm a hipocrite, becuase I eat plants. > > they are basically saying, ok, i've just pulled a weed, now I can > > go kill a cow. > > > > veganism isn't about being perfect, it is about doing less harm. > > about reducing ones negative impact whenever possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2006 Report Share Posted March 16, 2006 my brain was trying to figur out which state has the abreivation of NZ, but then I realized that you meant New Zealand, that is so cool to have someone in this chat group from new zealand , " Colin Sky " <colinsky wrote: > > all this vegans don't kill is crap... just look at the pesticides used on the foods/vegetables we eat for a start... > > nature eats itself. fullstop. washing under armpits with a chemical is possibly mass murder... ;-) > > i look at it we are human beings trying to be human kind... > > hey peace... this is friendly... from colin in nz... any other kiwis out there...? though i am anglo-kiwi...left uk many years ago)... though in my heart i hate nationalism and regard myself as a world citizen... ta ta.. > - > Shiva K > > Wednesday, March 08, 2006 2:53 PM > A small concern > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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