Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 In Norway, Break the Law and Live by a Beach March 28, 2006 — By James Kilner, Reuters BASTOY PRISON, Norway — The Web site reads like an advertisement for a vacation home. " Is Bastoy the place for you? " it asks next to photographs of a sunset sparkling off the tranquil waters of the Oslo fjord and horses pulling sleighs over packed snow. This wooded island could be -- if you are a rapist, a murderer, a drug trafficker or have accepted a large bribe. " We try to take a cross-section of the country's prison population, not just the nice criminals, " said Oyvind Alnaes, governor of the minimum security prison on Bastoy Island about 46 miles south of the Norwegian capital. Inmates have included Norway's most notorious serial killer, Arnfinn Nesset, convicted of murdering 22 elderly people when he was manager of a nursing home in the 1970s. He was freed for good behavior after serving two-thirds of a 21-year sentence. " A lot of people in Norway say that we treat them (the prisoners) too well because they should be punished. But this is the biggest mistake we have been making since the 1600s. Taking this line makes people bad, " Alnaes said. " You have to believe people are born good. " The 1-square-mile Bastoy island offers its 115 " residents " cross-country skiing, tennis and horse-riding, but before the inmates can head off to practice their serve or hit the beach for a swim, there is work to do on the farm. " We want to become the first ecological prison in the world, " Alnaes said. " It's about giving the inmates responsibility (and) trust, and teaching them respect. " Alnaes, who wears jeans and T-shirts to work and is known to the inmates as Oyvind, says this model of open prison is the future. In 1997, he gave Bastoy Prison a new slogan: " An arena of the development of responsibility. " ESCAPE Looking after the island's environment, he says, will nurture this sense of responsibility in the prisoners. " Ecological thinking is about taking responsibility for nature, the future and how your grandchildren grow up, " he said. Only a handful of cars are used by prison staff on the island and along with the ferry, their engines will be converted to biofuel. The prison's six horses do most of the work, pulling carts driven by the prisoners, waste from the prison is used to generate power while oil heaters are being converted to wood. The governor's development of responsibility goes further. " The usual thing is that prisons are all about security, " he said. " On the island, inmates work with knives and saws and axes. They need to to do the work. And if an inmates increases his responsibility, you have to give him trust. " Norway has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the world but the justice system does receive some criticism, notably for lengthy pre-trial detentions and cramped holding cells at police stations. Rather than watching and guarding, the 69 prison employees at Bastoy work alongside the inmates until it is time to go home and from 3 p.m. every day only five remain on the island. The onus is on the prisoners not to escape There have been few attempts, when friends have come over in a boat during the night to pick up a prisoner, but Alnaes says making a break for it is not a smart move. " The prisoners understand that there is nowhere to go if they do escape. What is the alternative? Spend your life on the run or serve your time at Bastoy? And one attempted escape means you lose your right to stay here. " Prisoners have to apply for a place at Bastoy and applicants are vetted to filter out those who could cause the most trouble. " That is the only place you can watch cable T.V. (in prison), " a short gray-haired man said, pointing to a stone building that houses the prison library. BEACH LIFE He watched as a dark-haired youth walked down a path towards one of the prisoners' brightly painted wooden houses. " He killed somebody, that guy. Not sure who, or why, though. " The speaker was Haavald Schjerven, a former U.N. department chief convicted in 2002 of taking $550,000 in bribes. " It's OK here, " he said. " It gives you time to think and reflect and, of course, I enjoy the horse-riding. " Schjerven showed Reuters around the wood-paneled house he shares with seven other criminals, pointing out the floor heating in the shared bathroom. Norway releases prisoners early if they serve their sentences without trouble, and for the last part of their internment, they are allowed weekend breaks with friends and family. Schjerven had just returned from a trip to Oslo where he discussed a business plan with a friend. " It's much calmer here, we have a great sea view and it's only 150 meters (yards) to the beach. " One of the island's beaches is open to the public and is crowded in the summer with day-trippers. It is the only part of the island the prisoners are banned from. There is no fence to keep curious visitors out but signs warn people against wandering around the island. Nonetheless day-trippers entering the prison are a bigger problem than inmates escaping, governor Alnaes said. Source: Reuters " NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? Nikki , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > In Norway, Break the Law and Live by a Beach > > March 28, 2006 †" By James Kilner, Reuters > BASTOY PRISON, Norway †" The Web site reads like an advertisement for a vacation home. > > " Is Bastoy the place for you? " it asks next to photographs of a sunset sparkling off the tranquil waters of the Oslo fjord and horses pulling sleighs over packed snow. > > This wooded island could be -- if you are a rapist, a murderer, a drug trafficker or have accepted a large bribe. > > " We try to take a cross-section of the country's prison population, not just the nice criminals, " said Oyvind Alnaes, governor of the minimum security prison on Bastoy Island about 46 miles south of the Norwegian capital. > > Inmates have included Norway's most notorious serial killer, Arnfinn Nesset, convicted of murdering 22 elderly people when he was manager of a nursing home in the 1970s. He was freed for good behavior after serving two-thirds of a 21-year sentence. > > " A lot of people in Norway say that we treat them (the prisoners) too well because they should be punished. But this is the biggest mistake we have been making since the 1600s. Taking this line makes people bad, " Alnaes said. > > " You have to believe people are born good. " > > The 1-square-mile Bastoy island offers its 115 " residents " cross- country skiing, tennis and horse-riding, but before the inmates can head off to practice their serve or hit the beach for a swim, there is work to do on the farm. > > " We want to become the first ecological prison in the world, " Alnaes said. " It's about giving the inmates responsibility (and) trust, and teaching them respect. " > > Alnaes, who wears jeans and T-shirts to work and is known to the inmates as Oyvind, says this model of open prison is the future. In 1997, he gave Bastoy Prison a new slogan: " An arena of the development of responsibility. " > > ESCAPE > > Looking after the island's environment, he says, will nurture this sense of responsibility in the prisoners. > > " Ecological thinking is about taking responsibility for nature, the future and how your grandchildren grow up, " he said. > > Only a handful of cars are used by prison staff on the island and along with the ferry, their engines will be converted to biofuel. The prison's six horses do most of the work, pulling carts driven by the prisoners, waste from the prison is used to generate power while oil heaters are being converted to wood. > > The governor's development of responsibility goes further. > > " The usual thing is that prisons are all about security, " he said. " On the island, inmates work with knives and saws and axes. They need to to do the work. And if an inmates increases his responsibility, you have to give him trust. " > > Norway has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the world but the justice system does receive some criticism, notably for lengthy pre-trial detentions and cramped holding cells at police stations. > > Rather than watching and guarding, the 69 prison employees at Bastoy work alongside the inmates until it is time to go home and from 3 p.m. every day only five remain on the island. > > The onus is on the prisoners not to escape > > There have been few attempts, when friends have come over in a boat during the night to pick up a prisoner, but Alnaes says making a break for it is not a smart move. > > " The prisoners understand that there is nowhere to go if they do escape. What is the alternative? Spend your life on the run or serve your time at Bastoy? And one attempted escape means you lose your right to stay here. " > > Prisoners have to apply for a place at Bastoy and applicants are vetted to filter out those who could cause the most trouble. > > " That is the only place you can watch cable T.V. (in prison), " a short gray-haired man said, pointing to a stone building that houses the prison library. > > BEACH LIFE > > He watched as a dark-haired youth walked down a path towards one of the prisoners' brightly painted wooden houses. " He killed somebody, that guy. Not sure who, or why, though. " > > The speaker was Haavald Schjerven, a former U.N. department chief convicted in 2002 of taking $550,000 in bribes. > > " It's OK here, " he said. " It gives you time to think and reflect and, of course, I enjoy the horse-riding. " > > Schjerven showed Reuters around the wood-paneled house he shares with seven other criminals, pointing out the floor heating in the shared bathroom. > > Norway releases prisoners early if they serve their sentences without trouble, and for the last part of their internment, they are allowed weekend breaks with friends and family. > > Schjerven had just returned from a trip to Oslo where he discussed a business plan with a friend. > > " It's much calmer here, we have a great sea view and it's only 150 meters (yards) to the beach. " > > One of the island's beaches is open to the public and is crowded in the summer with day-trippers. It is the only part of the island the prisoners are banned from. > > There is no fence to keep curious visitors out but signs warn people against wandering around the island. Nonetheless day-trippers entering the prison are a bigger problem than inmates escaping, governor Alnaes said. > > Source: Reuters > > > " NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. " > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 honey? is that vegan? >earthstrm <earthstorm >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM > > Re: life's a beach > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? > >Nikki > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> In Norway, Break the Law and Live by a Beach >> >> March 28, 2006 †" By James Kilner, Reuters >> BASTOY PRISON, Norway †" The Web site reads like an advertisement >for a vacation home. >> >> " Is Bastoy the place for you? " it asks next to photographs of a >sunset sparkling off the tranquil waters of the Oslo fjord and >horses pulling sleighs over packed snow. >> >> This wooded island could be -- if you are a rapist, a murderer, a >drug trafficker or have accepted a large bribe. >> >> " We try to take a cross-section of the country's prison >population, not just the nice criminals, " said Oyvind Alnaes, >governor of the minimum security prison on Bastoy Island about 46 >miles south of the Norwegian capital. >> >> Inmates have included Norway's most notorious serial killer, >Arnfinn Nesset, convicted of murdering 22 elderly people when he was >manager of a nursing home in the 1970s. He was freed for good >behavior after serving two-thirds of a 21-year sentence. >> >> " A lot of people in Norway say that we treat them (the prisoners) >too well because they should be punished. But this is the biggest >mistake we have been making since the 1600s. Taking this line makes >people bad, " Alnaes said. >> >> " You have to believe people are born good. " >> >> The 1-square-mile Bastoy island offers its 115 " residents " cross- >country skiing, tennis and horse-riding, but before the inmates can >head off to practice their serve or hit the beach for a swim, there >is work to do on the farm. >> >> " We want to become the first ecological prison in the world, " >Alnaes said. " It's about giving the inmates responsibility (and) >trust, and teaching them respect. " >> >> Alnaes, who wears jeans and T-shirts to work and is known to the >inmates as Oyvind, says this model of open prison is the future. In >1997, he gave Bastoy Prison a new slogan: " An arena of the >development of responsibility. " >> >> ESCAPE >> >> Looking after the island's environment, he says, will nurture this >sense of responsibility in the prisoners. >> >> " Ecological thinking is about taking responsibility for nature, >the future and how your grandchildren grow up, " he said. >> >> Only a handful of cars are used by prison staff on the island and >along with the ferry, their engines will be converted to biofuel. >The prison's six horses do most of the work, pulling carts driven by >the prisoners, waste from the prison is used to generate power while >oil heaters are being converted to wood. >> >> The governor's development of responsibility goes further. >> >> " The usual thing is that prisons are all about security, " he >said. " On the island, inmates work with knives and saws and axes. >They need to to do the work. And if an inmates increases his >responsibility, you have to give him trust. " >> >> Norway has one of the lowest incarceration rates in the world but >the justice system does receive some criticism, notably for lengthy >pre-trial detentions and cramped holding cells at police stations. >> >> Rather than watching and guarding, the 69 prison employees at >Bastoy work alongside the inmates until it is time to go home and >from 3 p.m. every day only five remain on the island. >> >> The onus is on the prisoners not to escape >> >> There have been few attempts, when friends have come over in a >boat during the night to pick up a prisoner, but Alnaes says making >a break for it is not a smart move. >> >> " The prisoners understand that there is nowhere to go if they do >escape. What is the alternative? Spend your life on the run or serve >your time at Bastoy? And one attempted escape means you lose your >right to stay here. " >> >> Prisoners have to apply for a place at Bastoy and applicants are >vetted to filter out those who could cause the most trouble. >> >> " That is the only place you can watch cable T.V. (in prison), " a >short gray-haired man said, pointing to a stone building that houses >the prison library. >> >> BEACH LIFE >> >> He watched as a dark-haired youth walked down a path towards one >of the prisoners' brightly painted wooden houses. " He killed >somebody, that guy. Not sure who, or why, though. " >> >> The speaker was Haavald Schjerven, a former U.N. department chief >convicted in 2002 of taking $550,000 in bribes. >> >> " It's OK here, " he said. " It gives you time to think and reflect >and, of course, I enjoy the horse-riding. " >> >> Schjerven showed Reuters around the wood-paneled house he shares >with seven other criminals, pointing out the floor heating in the >shared bathroom. >> >> Norway releases prisoners early if they serve their sentences >without trouble, and for the last part of their internment, they are >allowed weekend breaks with friends and family. >> >> Schjerven had just returned from a trip to Oslo where he discussed >a business plan with a friend. >> >> " It's much calmer here, we have a great sea view and it's only 150 >meters (yards) to the beach. " >> >> One of the island's beaches is open to the public and is crowded >in the summer with day-trippers. It is the only part of the island >the prisoners are banned from. >> >> There is no fence to keep curious visitors out but signs warn >people against wandering around the island. Nonetheless day-trippers >entering the prison are a bigger problem than inmates escaping, >governor Alnaes said. >> >> Source: Reuters >> >> >> " NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National >Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, >or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative >oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the >impeachment of the current President. " >> > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 trip was fun good to get away sorta sad i'm home!! tho...my bridge fell out.... fraggle >earthstrm <earthstorm >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM > > Re: life's a beach > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? > >Nikki > " NOTICE: Due to Presidential Executive Orders, the National Security Agency may have read this email without warning, warrant, or notice. They may do this without any judicial or legislative oversight. You have no recourse nor protection save to call for the impeachment of the current President. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 So when are you leaving again? Nikki , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > honey? > is that vegan? > > > > >earthstrm <earthstorm > >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM > > > > Re: life's a beach > > > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? > > > >Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 28, 2006 Report Share Posted March 28, 2006 not for awhile really broke now..... have to come up with $$$ for IRS, get my teeth fixed, rebecca's b-day tomorrow..and we still want to move ugh! life is never dull prolly no more galavanting out of state til the fall.... fraggle >earthstrm <earthstorm >Mar 28, 2006 11:43 AM > > Re: life's a beach > >So when are you leaving again? > > >Nikki > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> honey? >> is that vegan? >> >> >> >> >earthstrm <earthstorm >> >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM >> > >> > Re: life's a beach >> > >> >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? >> > >> >Nikki > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2006 Report Share Posted April 1, 2006 huney is not vegan at toll wake up pleaseearthstrm <earthstorm wrote: So when are you leaving again?;)Nikki , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:>> honey?> is that vegan?> > > > >earthstrm <earthstorm> >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM> > > > Re: life's a beach> >> >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? > >> >Nikki To help you stay safe and secure online, we've developed the all new Security Centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 You hear that Fraggle? You're not Vegan! Nikki , louis stott <lsstott wrote: > > huney is not vegan at toll wake up please > > earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: So when are you leaving again? > > > Nikki > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: > > > > honey? > > is that vegan? > > > > > > > > >earthstrm <earthstorm@> > > >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM > > > > > > Re: life's a beach > > > > > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? > > > > > >Nikki > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 ?????earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: You hear that Fraggle? You're not Vegan! ;)Nikki , louis stott <lsstott wrote:>> huney is not vegan at toll wake up please> > earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: So when are you leaving again?> > > Nikki> > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> >> > honey?> > is that vegan?> > > > > > > > >earthstrm <earthstorm@>> > >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM> > > > > > Re: life's a beach> > >> > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? > > >> > >Nikki> > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 i guess i'll go work at mcdeathburger then...... who knows..within a few short months, i can be the fry cook! >earthstrm <earthstorm >Apr 3, 2006 7:23 AM > > Re: life's a beach > >You hear that Fraggle? You're not Vegan! > >Nikki > > > , louis stott <lsstott wrote: >> >> huney is not vegan at toll wake up please >> >> earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: So when are you leaving again? >> >> >> Nikki >> >> >> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: >> > >> > honey? >> > is that vegan? >> > >> > >> > >> > >earthstrm <earthstorm@> >> > >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM >> > > >> > > Re: life's a beach >> > > >> > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? >> > > >> > >Nikki >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To send an email to - > >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 EGADS! No! Don't go over to the dark side... Nikki , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > i guess i'll go work at mcdeathburger then...... > who knows..within a few short months, i can be the fry cook! > > > >earthstrm <earthstorm > >Apr 3, 2006 7:23 AM > > > > Re: life's a beach > > > >You hear that Fraggle? You're not Vegan! > > > >Nikki > > > > > > , louis stott <lsstott@> wrote: > >> > >> huney is not vegan at toll wake up please > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 ha ha hafraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i guess i'll go work at mcdeathburger then......who knows..within a few short months, i can be the fry cook!>earthstrm <earthstorm>Apr 3, 2006 7:23 AM> > Re: life's a beach>>You hear that Fraggle? You're not Vegan! >>Nikki>>> , louis stott <lsstott wrote:>>>> huney is not vegan at toll wake up please>> >> earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: So when are you leaving again?>> >> >> Nikki>> >> >> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:>> >>> > honey?>> > is that vegan?>> > >> > >> > >> > >earthstrm <earthstorm@>>> > >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM>> > > >> > > Re: life's a beach>> > >>> > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? >> > >>> > >Nikki>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To send an email to -> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2006 Report Share Posted April 3, 2006 ha ha hafraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i guess i'll go work at mcdeathburger then......who knows..within a few short months, i can be the fry cook!>earthstrm <earthstorm>Apr 3, 2006 7:23 AM> > Re: life's a beach>>You hear that Fraggle? You're not Vegan! >>Nikki>>> , louis stott <lsstott wrote:>>>> huney is not vegan at toll wake up please>> >> earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: So when are you leaving again?>> >> >> Nikki>> >> >> , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:>> >>> > honey?>> > is that vegan?>> > >> > >> > >> > >earthstrm <earthstorm@>>> > >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM>> > > >> > > Re: life's a beach>> > >>> > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? >> > >>> > >Nikki>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> To send an email to -> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 I wasn't touching it! Then again, it wasn't directed towards me... Nikki fraggle <EBbrewpunx Mon Apr 3, 2006 11:12 am Re: Re: life's a beach ebbrewpunx you know...i could...but i won't..... *self restraint...self restraint self restraint...* louis stott Apr 1, 2006 5:51 PM Re: Re: life's a beach im easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2006 Report Share Posted April 4, 2006 Hi Louis Follow the thread... I called Fraggle honey you said honey wasn't vegan So I said Fraggle (who I called honey) wasn't vegan Twas a joke to bring a smile Nikki , louis stott <lsstott wrote: > > ????? > > earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: You hear that Fraggle? You're not Vegan! > > Nikki > > > , louis stott <lsstott@> wrote: > > > > huney is not vegan at toll wake up please > > > > earthstrm <earthstorm@> wrote: So when are you leaving again? > > > > > > Nikki > > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: > > > > > > honey? > > > is that vegan? > > > > > > > > > > > > >earthstrm <earthstorm@> > > > >Mar 28, 2006 11:05 AM > > > > > > > > Re: life's a beach > > > > > > > >WELCOME Home Honey! How was the trip? > > > > > > > >Nikki > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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