Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 Do you worship Kali? I think the cult died out at the end of the British Raj? The Valley Vegan............earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Yup! :)Nikki , peter hurd wrote:>> Are you waiting for the divine stranglers to arrive (thugee)?> > The Valley Vegan................> > earthstrm wrote:> Hi Jo> > > I am sweet and innocent :-)> > I do agree! I am only glad that you did not put an "always" in > there. > > And I mean that all in a good way! > > BB> Nikki> *waiting for the thugs to arrive*> > > > > > - > > "earthstrm" > > > > Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:59 PM> > Re: so, this wednesday> > > > > > > ROFL!> > > > > > But it sounds so sweet and innocent too!> > > > > > Nikki > >> > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 6, 2006 Report Share Posted April 6, 2006 I know of some people who hold her (?) in high esteem. Jo - peter hurd Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:10 PM Re: Re: so, this wednesday -Thugee Do you worship Kali? I think the cult died out at the end of the British Raj? The Valley Vegan............earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Yup! :)Nikki , peter hurd wrote:>> Are you waiting for the divine stranglers to arrive (thugee)?> > The Valley Vegan................> > earthstrm wrote:> Hi Jo> > > I am sweet and innocent :-)> > I do agree! I am only glad that you did not put an "always" in > there. > > And I mean that all in a good way! > > BB> Nikki> *waiting for the thugs to arrive*> > > > > > - > > "earthstrm" > > > > Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:59 PM> > Re: so, this wednesday> > > > > > > ROFL!> > > > > > But it sounds so sweet and innocent too!> > > > > > Nikki > >> > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Terrible joke considering the Thugee practice. The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I know of some people who hold her (?) in high esteem. Jo - peter hurd Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:10 PM Re: Re: so, this wednesday -Thugee Do you worship Kali? I think the cult died out at the end of the British Raj? The Valley Vegan............earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Yup! :)Nikki , peter hurd wrote:>> Are you waiting for the divine stranglers to arrive (thugee)?> > The Valley Vegan................> > earthstrm wrote:> Hi Jo> > > I am sweet and innocent :-)> > I do agree! I am only glad that you did not put an "always" in > there. > > And I mean that all in a good way! > > BB> Nikki> *waiting for the thugs to arrive*> > > > > > - > > "earthstrm" > > > > Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:59 PM> > Re: so, this wednesday> > > > > > > ROFL!> > > > > > But it sounds so sweet and innocent too!> > > > > > Nikki > >> > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 I really don't know much about it. I went to a talk on Kali at the Witchfest last year. Maybe the Thugee too a god and used it to their own ends. Just a thought. Jo - peter hurd Friday, April 07, 2006 5:51 PM Re: Re: so, this wednesday -Thugee Terrible joke considering the Thugee practice. The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I know of some people who hold her (?) in high esteem. Jo - peter hurd Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:10 PM Re: Re: so, this wednesday -Thugee Do you worship Kali? I think the cult died out at the end of the British Raj? The Valley Vegan............earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Yup! :)Nikki , peter hurd wrote:>> Are you waiting for the divine stranglers to arrive (thugee)?> > The Valley Vegan................> > earthstrm wrote:> Hi Jo> > > I am sweet and innocent :-)> > I do agree! I am only glad that you did not put an "always" in > there. > > And I mean that all in a good way! > > BB> Nikki> *waiting for the thugs to arrive*> > > > > > - > > "earthstrm" > > > > Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:59 PM> > Re: so, this wednesday> > > > > > > ROFL!> > > > > > But it sounds so sweet and innocent too!> > > > > > Nikki > >> > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Kali is generally considered one of the consorts of Shiva. Her name seems to be a female version of the word 'kala' (Sanskrit for 'dark', 'time'- time in this form being a euphemism for death - or 'devourer of time' ); it also means 'Black Female,' in contrast to her consort, Shiva, who is white. The goddesses that she is associated or identified with include Durga, Bhowani Devi, Sati, Rudrani, Parvati, Chinnamasta, Chamunda, Kamakshi, Uma, Menakshi, Himavati, Kumari. These names, if repeated, are believed to give special power to the worshipper. The thuggee religion was allegedly a cult with both Hindu and Muslim members who practiced large-scale robbery and murder of travellers by strangulation. Induction was typically passed from father to son, with the women of the household being kept ignorant of the cult's activities. Both of the factions into which the Thuggee belonged were divided by the Nerbudda river. Also, both Thuggee factions laid claim to antiquity. While members of the northern faction , however, did not trace their origin further back than the period of the early Muslim kings of Delhi, members of the southern faction not only claimed an earlier and purer descent, but adhered also with greater strictness to the rules of their profession. The earliest authenticated mention of the Thugs is found in the following passage of Ziau-d din Barni's History of Firoz Shah (written about 1356): In the reign of that sultan (about 1290), some Thugs were taken in Delhi, and a man belonging to that fraternity was the means of about a thousand being captured. But not one of these did the sultan have killed. He gave orders for them to be put into boats and to be conveyed into the lower country, to the neighborhood of Lakhnauti, where they were to be set free. The Thugs would thus have to dwell about Lakhnauti and would not trouble the neighborhood of Delhi any more." (Sir HM Elliot's History of India, iii. 141). Though they themselves trace their origin to seven Muslim tribes, the Hindu followers only seem to be related during the early periods of Islamic development; at any rate, their religious creed and staunch worship of Kali, one of the Hindu Tantric Goddesses, showed no Islamic influence. Assassination for gain was a religious duty for them, and was considered a holy and honorable profession, in which moral feelings did not come into play. It should be noted, however, that not all followers of Kali are thuggees, and the majority do not share the thuggee viewpoint. [edit] Beliefs and practices The Thugs were a well-organized confederacy of professional assassins who travelled in various guises through India in gangs of 10 to 200, worming themselves into the confidence of wayfarers of the wealthier class. When a favorable opportunity arose, the Thug strangled his victim by throwing a yellow scarf or Rumal (symbolic of Kal Bhairab) around the neck, and then plundered and buried him. All this was done according to certain ancient and rigidly prescribed forms, and after the performance of special religious rites, in which the consecration of the pickaxe and the sacrifice of sugar formed a prominent part. Due to the fact that they used strangulation as the method of murder they were also frequently called "Phansigars", or "noose-operators." The will of the goddess by whose command and in whose honor they followed their calling was revealed to them through a very complicated system of omens. In obedience to these, they often travelled hundreds of miles in company with, or in the wake of, their intended victims before a safe opportunity presented itself for executing their design. When the deed was done, rites were performed in the deity's honor, and a significant portion of the spoils was set apart for Her. They believed each murder prevented Kali's (their goddess's) arrival for 1000 years. The fraternity also possessed a jargon of their own (Ramasi), as well as certain signs by which its members recognized each other in the most remote parts of India. Even those who from age or infirmities could no longer take an active part in the ritual murder continued to aid the cause as watchers, spies, or dressers of food. Because of their thorough organization, the secrecy and security of their operation, and the religious pretext in which they shrouded their murders, they were recognized as a regular tax-paying profession and continued for centuries to practice their craft, free of inquiry from Hindu rulers.jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I really don't know much about it. I went to a talk on Kali at the Witchfest last year. Maybe the Thugee too a god and used it to their own ends. Just a thought. Jo - peter hurd Friday, April 07, 2006 5:51 PM Re: Re: so, this wednesday -Thugee Terrible joke considering the Thugee practice. The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I know of some people who hold her (?) in high esteem. Jo - peter hurd Thursday, April 06, 2006 10:10 PM Re: Re: so, this wednesday -Thugee Do you worship Kali? I think the cult died out at the end of the British Raj? The Valley Vegan............earthstrm <earthstorm wrote: Yup! :)Nikki , peter hurd wrote:>> Are you waiting for the divine stranglers to arrive (thugee)?> > The Valley Vegan................> > earthstrm wrote:> Hi Jo> > > I am sweet and innocent :-)> > I do agree! I am only glad that you did not put an "always" in > there. > > And I mean that all in a good way! > > BB> Nikki> *waiting for the thugs to arrive*> > > > > > - > > "earthstrm" > > > > Thursday, April 06, 2006 5:59 PM> > Re: so, this wednesday> > > > > > > ROFL!> > > > > > But it sounds so sweet and innocent too!> > > > > > Nikki > >> > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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