Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 'Gospel of Judas' to be revealed Should Christians be respecting Judas? Judas Iscariot's reputation as one of the most notorious villains in history could be thrown into doubt with the release of an ancient text on Thursday. The Gospel of Judas, a papyrus document from the 3rd or 4th Century AD, tells the story of Jesus' death from the fallen disciple's point of view. Alleged to be a copy of an even older text, it casts Judas as a benevolent figure, helping Jesus to save mankind. The early Christian Church denounced such teachings as heretical. The 31-page fragile document, written in the Coptic language, was discovered in Egypt in the 1970s. The National Geographic Society in the US is to publish the first English translation of the text on Thursday and show some of the papyrus pages for the first time. Breakaway sect For 2,000 years Christianity has portrayed Judas as the treacherous apostle who betrayed his divine master with a kiss, leading to his capture and crucifixion. Gnostics believe Judas helped Jesus save mankind According to the Bible, Judas received 30 pieces of silver for the act, but died soon afterwards. But the Gospel of Judas puts Judas in a positive light, identifying him as Christ's favourite disciple and depicting his betrayal as the fulfilment of a divine mission to enable the crucifixion - and thus the foundation of Christianity - to take place. This view is similar to that held by the Gnostics - members of a 2nd Century AD breakaway Christian sect, who became rivals to the early Church. They thought that Judas was in fact the most enlightened of the apostles, acting in order that mankind might be redeemed by the death of Christ. As such they regarded him as deserving gratitude and reverence. Gnostic writers are believed to have set down their contrasting account of Judas' role in Greek in about 150AD, and some believe that this manuscript may be a copy of that. Records show that the leaders of the early Christian Church denounced that version as heretical in about 180AD. The Gospel of Judas was found near Beni Masar in Egypt. In 2000, the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel Switzerland took possession of the document and translation began soon afterwards. National Geographic struck a publication deal with the foundation last year, thought to have cost $1m (£570,000). Along with a magazine article, the society will be publishing two books on the Gospel of Judas, and the National Geographic TV channel will be running a special two-hour documentary on the manuscript on Sunday 9 April. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hi Jo This will throw and interesting wrench in the whole system! BB Nikki , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > 'Gospel of Judas' to be revealed > > Should Christians be respecting Judas? > Judas Iscariot's reputation as one of the most notorious villains in > history could be thrown into doubt with the release of an ancient > text on Thursday. > The Gospel of Judas, a papyrus document from the 3rd or 4th Century > AD, tells the story of Jesus' death from the fallen disciple's point > of view. > > Alleged to be a copy of an even older text, it casts Judas as a > benevolent figure, helping Jesus to save mankind. > > The early Christian Church denounced such teachings as heretical. > > The 31-page fragile document, written in the Coptic language, was > discovered in Egypt in the 1970s. > > The National Geographic Society in the US is to publish the first > English translation of the text on Thursday and show some of the > papyrus pages for the first time. > > Breakaway sect > > For 2,000 years Christianity has portrayed Judas as the treacherous > apostle who betrayed his divine master with a kiss, leading to his > capture and crucifixion. > > > Gnostics believe Judas helped Jesus save mankind > > According to the Bible, Judas received 30 pieces of silver for the > act, but died soon afterwards. > > But the Gospel of Judas puts Judas in a positive light, identifying > him as Christ's favourite disciple and depicting his betrayal as the > fulfilment of a divine mission to enable the crucifixion - and thus > the foundation of Christianity - to take place. > > This view is similar to that held by the Gnostics - members of a 2nd > Century AD breakaway Christian sect, who became rivals to the early > Church. > > They thought that Judas was in fact the most enlightened of the > apostles, acting in order that mankind might be redeemed by the death > of Christ. > > As such they regarded him as deserving gratitude and reverence. > > Gnostic writers are believed to have set down their contrasting > account of Judas' role in Greek in about 150AD, and some believe that > this manuscript may be a copy of that. > > Records show that the leaders of the early Christian Church denounced > that version as heretical in about 180AD. > > The Gospel of Judas was found near Beni Masar in Egypt. > > In 2000, the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel Switzerland > took possession of the document and translation began soon > afterwards. > > National Geographic struck a publication deal with the foundation > last year, thought to have cost $1m (£570,000). > > Along with a magazine article, the society will be publishing two > books on the Gospel of Judas, and the National Geographic TV channel > will be running a special two-hour documentary on the manuscript on > Sunday 9 April. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 they've been blaring the tv show announcements on the Nat. Geographic channel fer a month now.... i guess i'm just out of the loop, as i don't consider it all very revealing...i'd read several theories and such waaaaaaay back when and thought it was old news.... i guess i forget not everyone reads the same books i do!!! damn me fer being out of step! >earthstrm <earthstorm >Apr 7, 2006 4:07 AM > > Re: Gospel of Judas translated > >Hi Jo > >This will throw and interesting wrench in the whole system! > >BB >Nikki > > > , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork >wrote: >> >> 'Gospel of Judas' to be revealed >> >> Should Christians be respecting Judas? >> Judas Iscariot's reputation as one of the most notorious villains >in >> history could be thrown into doubt with the release of an ancient >> text on Thursday. >> The Gospel of Judas, a papyrus document from the 3rd or 4th >Century >> AD, tells the story of Jesus' death from the fallen disciple's >point >> of view. >> >> Alleged to be a copy of an even older text, it casts Judas as a >> benevolent figure, helping Jesus to save mankind. >> >> The early Christian Church denounced such teachings as heretical. >> >> The 31-page fragile document, written in the Coptic language, was >> discovered in Egypt in the 1970s. >> >> The National Geographic Society in the US is to publish the first >> English translation of the text on Thursday and show some of the >> papyrus pages for the first time. >> >> Breakaway sect >> >> For 2,000 years Christianity has portrayed Judas as the >treacherous >> apostle who betrayed his divine master with a kiss, leading to his >> capture and crucifixion. >> >> >> Gnostics believe Judas helped Jesus save mankind >> >> According to the Bible, Judas received 30 pieces of silver for the >> act, but died soon afterwards. >> >> But the Gospel of Judas puts Judas in a positive light, >identifying >> him as Christ's favourite disciple and depicting his betrayal as >the >> fulfilment of a divine mission to enable the crucifixion - and >thus >> the foundation of Christianity - to take place. >> >> This view is similar to that held by the Gnostics - members of a >2nd >> Century AD breakaway Christian sect, who became rivals to the >early >> Church. >> >> They thought that Judas was in fact the most enlightened of the >> apostles, acting in order that mankind might be redeemed by the >death >> of Christ. >> >> As such they regarded him as deserving gratitude and reverence. >> >> Gnostic writers are believed to have set down their contrasting >> account of Judas' role in Greek in about 150AD, and some believe >that >> this manuscript may be a copy of that. >> >> Records show that the leaders of the early Christian Church >denounced >> that version as heretical in about 180AD. >> >> The Gospel of Judas was found near Beni Masar in Egypt. >> >> In 2000, the Maecenas Foundation for Ancient Art in Basel >Switzerland >> took possession of the document and translation began soon >> afterwards. >> >> National Geographic struck a publication deal with the foundation >> last year, thought to have cost $1m (£570,000). >> >> Along with a magazine article, the society will be publishing two >> books on the Gospel of Judas, and the National Geographic TV >channel >> will be running a special two-hour documentary on the manuscript >on >> Sunday 9 April. >> > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hi Nikki I reckon it would be interesting to read. I like the texts that were left out of the Bible. It's one of Peter's interests, and I caught it from him. BB Jo - " earthstrm " <earthstorm Friday, April 07, 2006 12:07 PM Re: Gospel of Judas translated Hi Jo This will throw and interesting wrench in the whole system! BB Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hi Jo I do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their early origins. BB Nikki , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > Hi Nikki > > I reckon it would be interesting to read. I like the texts that were left > out of the Bible. It's one of Peter's interests, and I caught it from him. > > BB > Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 too bad yer not a neighbor.. in the last 6 months i must have read two dozen books on the origins of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.... >nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm >Apr 7, 2006 11:49 AM > > Re: Gospel of Judas translated > >Hi Jo > >I do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their early >origins. > >BB >Nikki > > > , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: >> >> Hi Nikki >> >> I reckon it would be interesting to read. I like the texts that >were left >> out of the Bible. It's one of Peter's interests, and I caught it >from him. >> >> BB >> Jo > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 At the risk of upsetting everyone, I too enjoy a good work of fiction................................ha, ha, ha ,ha ,ha, ha, The Valley Vegan............... Through the best and the worstThe struggle and sacrifice.For the true who've remained and the new blood.Motivation, undying allegianceStriving through the hardships and affliction.Every drop of bloodEvery bitter tearEvery bead of sweatI live for thisIf you don't live for something you'll die for nothing.nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm wrote: Hi JoI do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their early origins.BBNikki , "jo" wrote:>> Hi Nikki> > I reckon it would be interesting to read. I like the texts that were left> out of the Bible. It's one of Peter's interests, and I caught it from him.> > BB> JoTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 That would be a nice borrow! Any that you recommend? Nikki , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > too bad yer not a neighbor.. > in the last 6 months i must have read two dozen books on the origins of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.... > > > >nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm > >Apr 7, 2006 11:49 AM > > > > Re: Gospel of Judas translated > > > >Hi Jo > > > >I do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their early > >origins. > > > >BB > >Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hi Nikki It is very interesting. There is so much to read that it can boggle the mind - well mine anyway. BB Jo - " nikki_mackovitch " <earthstorm Friday, April 07, 2006 7:49 PM Re: Gospel of Judas translated > Hi Jo > > I do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their early > origins. > > BB > Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 LOL - does not upset me at all Nikki , peter hurd <swpgh01 wrote: > > At the risk of upsetting everyone, I too enjoy a good work of fiction................................ha, ha, ha ,ha ,ha, ha, > > The Valley Vegan............... > > Through the best and the worst > The struggle and sacrifice. > For the true who've remained and the new blood. > Motivation, undying allegiance > Striving through the hardships and affliction. > Every drop of blood > Every bitter tear > Every bead of sweat > I live for this > If you don't live for something you'll die for nothing. > > > nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm wrote: > Hi Jo > > I do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their early > origins. > > BB > Nikki > > > , " jo " wrote: > > > > Hi Nikki > > > > I reckon it would be interesting to read. I like the texts that > were left > > out of the Bible. It's one of Peter's interests, and I caught it > from him. > > > > BB > > Jo To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 which religion ? no god but god by reza aslan (islam) there's a book, just called " Jews " , put out by iBooks, which was pretty good..alas, they just went under(one of our pubs)(and he left a LOT out) i've found its good to read a variety of sources, that way you get the big picture helps you look past the biases Misquoting Jesus, and Lost Scriptures ,Books that Did Not Make It into the New Testament ... a bunch of others >nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm >Apr 7, 2006 4:03 PM > > Re: Gospel of Judas translated > >That would be a nice borrow! > >Any that you recommend? > >Nikki > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: >> >> too bad yer not a neighbor.. >> in the last 6 months i must have read two dozen books on the >origins of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.... >> >> >> >nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm >> >Apr 7, 2006 11:49 AM >> > >> > Re: Gospel of Judas translated >> > >> >Hi Jo >> > >> >I do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their >early >> >origins. >> > >> >BB >> >Nikki > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hi Fraggle > which religion ? It matters not, I like to learn it all and if I get bored i simply put it down. > no god but god by reza aslan (islam) > there's a book, just called " Jews " , put out by iBooks, which was pretty good..alas, they just went under(one of our pubs)(and he left a LOT out) > i've found its good to read a variety of sources, that way you get the big picture > helps you look past the biases > > > Misquoting Jesus, and Lost Scriptures ,Books that Did Not Make It into the New Testament ... > a bunch of others Thanks! It gives me a good start. Nikki > > > >nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm > >Apr 7, 2006 4:03 PM > > > > Re: Gospel of Judas translated > > > >That would be a nice borrow! > > > >Any that you recommend? > > > >Nikki > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: > >> > >> too bad yer not a neighbor.. > >> in the last 6 months i must have read two dozen books on the > >origins of Islam, Christianity, and Judaism.... > >> > >> > >> >nikki_mackovitch <earthstorm@> > >> >Apr 7, 2006 11:49 AM > >> > > >> > Re: Gospel of Judas translated > >> > > >> >Hi Jo > >> > > >> >I do too. I enjoy reading about almost all religions and their > >early > >> >origins. > >> > > >> >BB > >> >Nikki > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2006 Report Share Posted April 7, 2006 Hi Nikki > > which religion ? > It matters not, I like to learn it all and if I get bored i simply > put it down. You want to be careful - you could get accused of blasphemy :-) (Oh, I am on form tonight!!! :-)) BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2006 Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Hi Peter > > > which religion ? > > It matters not, I like to learn it all and if I get bored i simply > > put it down. > You want to be careful - you could get accused of blasphemy :-) LOL - as if it would be the first time... > (Oh, I am on form tonight!!! :-)) Nothing like a good self-inflicted pat on the back. BB Nikki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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