Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Looks like they want to keep adverse scientific research hushed up now..... By Pallab Ghosh BBC News health correspondent The Royal Society has called for scientists to consider the public interest when deciding whether to talk about their research results. In a report published today Britain's National Academy of Sciences has said slip ups in the past have led to distorted reporting of issues such as MMR and GM crops. Concerns over MMR research have led parents to refuse the jab Scientists often blame the media for distorted reporting of science stories. But does the misreporting have its origins in the research community? A couple of years ago, scientists organising a major European fertility meeting invited a researcher to present evidence that a group of women seeking fertility treatment were more likely conceive if they were hypnotised. It was a fantastic story and prominently reported across the world. The problem was that the research was dubious. The hypnotised group were much younger and so more likely to be fertile than - than the un-hypnotised group. 'Not a one off' Journalists love a good story. A problem arises though when controversial research designed to provoke a debate within the scientific community is reported as gospel But what was the excuse of the organising committee - which added credibility to the research by having it presented at their scientific meeting? The problem is that this isn't a one off or even a rare event. Those cynical of the media might expect that. It happens with great regularity. But media cynics may be surprised to learn that - as in the case of the hypnosis study - the stories generally have their origins in the scientific community. Concerns over the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine began after a study was published in the Lancet - a respected medical journal. The GM crop scare started after a professor at a respected institute said his experiments showed that genetically modified potatoes had stunted the growth of lab rats. 'Reported as gospel' The Institute of Physics produced a new study which suggested that Guy Fawkes' gunpowder plot would have caused much greater devastation than previously thought had it been successful. Most national newspapers carried illustrations of the extent of the damage by circling a large area around Parliament. Unfortunately, the calculation was based on the assumption that gunpowder has the same explosive force as dynamite - which it doesn't. Late last year there were front page stories suggesting that the Gulf Stream might be weakening - possibly taking northern Europe into a new ice age. The source of this - an article published in the highly respected journal Nature. The study was properly carried out but the drop in strength was based on just two measurements taken since 1992 and was at odds with other available evidence. Nature published the article precisely because the research was anomalous and so of interest to the scientific community. The Lancet published the MMR study for the same reason. A problem arises though when controversial research designed to provoke a debate within the scientific community is reported as gospel by the general media. At best, it reduces trust in scientists and the media. At worst, it can lead to people making poor choices and harming their health - as in the case of MMR. That's why the Royal Society has asked researchers to take more care. The worry though, is that this might lead to a form of self- censorship and ultimately stifle scientific debate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi Jo >Looks like they want to keep adverse scientific research hushed up >now..... The Royal Society has a somewhat dodgy political history anyway - I don't know what it's like nowadays, but it was founded by an " illuminati " group seemingly to direct " science " in a particular direction.... BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Caution urged over science errors " by Royal Society (11/5/2006) " We're also concerned about people sometimes producing work which is damaging " - Patrick Bateson of the Royal Society The references in the piece below to Pusztai's research and the BMA are complete nonsense. But that's not surprising given that the source of this BBC piece is the UK's Royal Society (RS) and the conduit appears to be the BBC's science correspondent, Pallab Ghosh - the RS & co's patsy of choice when wanting to dump horsesh*t in the media. http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=203 Patrick Bateson of the RS - quoted below - has been caught out lying about the Pusztai case before. He told readers of the British Association's journal Science and Public Affairs that The Lancet had only published Pusztai's research " in the face of objections by its statistically-competent referees'. In fact, Pusztai's Lancet paper successfully came through a peer review process that was far more stringent than that applying to most published papers! For the RS's whole sorry history of lies on GM and its attempts to stifle the reporting of awkward research findings - see: http://www.gmwatch.org/profile1.asp?PrId=113 >heartwerk <jo.heartwork >May 11, 2006 11:47 PM > > Should science always be publicised? > >Looks like they want to keep adverse scientific research hushed up >now..... > > > >By Pallab Ghosh >BBC News health correspondent > > >The Royal Society has called for scientists to consider the public >interest when deciding whether to talk about their research results. > >In a report published today Britain's National Academy of Sciences >has said slip ups in the past have led to distorted reporting of >issues such as MMR and GM crops. > > >Concerns over MMR research have led parents to refuse the jab > >Scientists often blame the media for distorted reporting of science >stories. > >But does the misreporting have its origins in the research community? > >A couple of years ago, scientists organising a major European >fertility meeting invited a researcher to present evidence that a >group of women seeking fertility treatment were more likely conceive >if they were hypnotised. > >It was a fantastic story and prominently reported across the world. > >The problem was that the research was dubious. > >The hypnotised group were much younger and so more likely to be >fertile than - than the un-hypnotised group. > >'Not a one off' > >Journalists love a good story. > > A problem arises though when controversial research designed to >provoke a debate within the scientific community is reported as >gospel > > >But what was the excuse of the organising committee - which added >credibility to the research by having it presented at their >scientific meeting? > >The problem is that this isn't a one off or even a rare event. Those >cynical of the media might expect that. It happens with great >regularity. > >But media cynics may be surprised to learn that - as in the case of >the hypnosis study - the stories generally have their origins in the >scientific community. > >Concerns over the MMR (measles, mumps, rubella) vaccine began after a >study was published in the Lancet - a respected medical journal. > >The GM crop scare started after a professor at a respected institute >said his experiments showed that genetically modified potatoes had >stunted the growth of lab rats. > >'Reported as gospel' > >The Institute of Physics produced a new study which suggested that >Guy Fawkes' gunpowder plot would have caused much greater devastation >than previously thought had it been successful. > >Most national newspapers carried illustrations of the extent of the >damage by circling a large area around Parliament. > >Unfortunately, the calculation was based on the assumption that >gunpowder has the same explosive force as dynamite - which it >doesn't. > >Late last year there were front page stories suggesting that the Gulf >Stream might be weakening - possibly taking northern Europe into a >new ice age. > >The source of this - an article published in the highly respected >journal Nature. > >The study was properly carried out but the drop in strength was based >on just two measurements taken since 1992 and was at odds with other >available evidence. > >Nature published the article precisely because the research was >anomalous and so of interest to the scientific community. > >The Lancet published the MMR study for the same reason. > >A problem arises though when controversial research designed to >provoke a debate within the scientific community is reported as >gospel by the general media. > >At best, it reduces trust in scientists and the media. > >At worst, it can lead to people making poor choices and harming their >health - as in the case of MMR. > >That's why the Royal Society has asked researchers to take more care. > >The worry though, is that this might lead to a form of self- >censorship and ultimately stifle scientific debate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 from this side, i've heard its all run by corporate hacks,.... *shrug* Peter Kebbell May 12, 2006 1:31 AM Re: Should science always be publicised? Hi Jo >Looks like they want to keep adverse scientific research hushed up >now..... The Royal Society has a somewhat dodgy political history anyway - I don't know what it's like nowadays, but it was founded by an "illuminati" group seemingly to direct "science" in a particular direction.... BB Peter To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2006 Report Share Posted May 12, 2006 Hi Peter It looks as though they haven't changed then! By the way, you are doing a cracking job with the weather. BBJo - Peter Kebbell Friday, May 12, 2006 9:31 AM Re: Should science always be publicised? Hi Jo >Looks like they want to keep adverse scientific research hushed up >now..... The Royal Society has a somewhat dodgy political history anyway - I don't know what it's like nowadays, but it was founded by an "illuminati" group seemingly to direct "science" in a particular direction.... BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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