Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I came to the same conclusion from all I have read. Just a bunch of garbage. In countries where soy consumption is great, there is a very low rate of cancer. other diseases and they have low cholestrol. Judy Some time ago there was a movement trying to drag down the intake of soy products--I looked at some of their online materials and found them to be just garbage with no scientific information at all. I privately believe that this pressure came from the meat industry. Kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Thanks for your input, Kathleen and Kathleen. I'm relieved to hear that the jury is still out and that soy isn't the evil ingredient my ex (and others) have painted it to be. Sharon wwjd wrote: > I came to the same conclusion from all I have read. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 My opinion is the meat industry has a big fear of tofu/soy poducts. They know we don't need meat but it's eaten my choice. We have grown soy in this country to export for a long time but it never played a big part of our diets like it does now. I work with 5 breast cancer survivors and all of them told me they were warned about tofu and to stay away from it. Well, in the pasted two years guess what? All 5 of them (by the way they are not vegetarians) have come to be for tofu recipes since their doctors have all told them soy is fine in moderation like everything else we eat. 3 of those 5 women are vegetable haters and have always lived on meat and dairy. Two of those 3 still smoke heavily and live on diet sodas. I truly believe tofu is safe. Sharon Zakhour <sharon.zakhour wrote: Thanks for your input, Kathleen and Kathleen. I'm relieved to hear that the jury is still out and that soy isn't the evil ingredient my ex (and others) have painted it to be. Sharon wwjd wrote: > I came to the same conclusion from all I have read. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I believe it's all bad propaganda and I feel safe eating tofu. The cattle are injected with hormones, we should see huge warnings about that going on. Chelsea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I'm no doctor but I know I don't always believe everything they tell you. My Aunt caught breast cancer in time, she was also warned about bad effects of tofu but the doctor couldn't really back anything up for her. She was told last year that tofu was OK to consume. She never stopped eating it anyway. Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 One of my other favorite blog sites veganlunchbox.blogspot.com has posted info about soy and links to a bunch of articles. http://veganlunchbox.blogspot.com/2006/03/soy-controversy.html One of them explains how the soy studies are bunk. Rats/mice are a group of animals that are adversely affected by soy. Pigs and cows are " designed " more like humans in that respect and are not adversely affected. The studies were done on rats. For the record they have been eating soy/tofu in Asia for many, many years and they have lower cancer rates than western countries! Eatin moderation if you are worried, too much of anything can be bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > > I came to the same conclusion from all I have read. Just a bunch of garbage. In countries where soy consumption is great, there is a very low rate of cancer. other diseases and they have low cholestrol. > Judy I am a breast cancer survivor (it will be 4 years in July). My cancer was ER+ (estrogen receptor positive). I have not changed my consumption of soy at all. The nutritionist at the cancer center knew I was vegetarian. I don't eat it at every meal but I do eat it frequently. I am far more concerned about growth hormones in dairy. I think the dairy lobby is huge and influential. It always amazes me how people will give me an earful about soy while drinking a diet soda, or eating a burger. To each his own. If my cancer comes back I will know I was leading a life (and eating) the way I was most comfortable! nancyd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Countries where soy consumption is high, for example some Asian countries, the diet is also fairly low fat and low meat too. And really tasty! Peace, Diane , " wwjd " <jtwigg wrote: > > I came to the same conclusion from all I have read. Just a bunch of garbage. In countries where soy consumption is great, there is a very low rate of cancer. other diseases and they have low cholestrol. > Judy > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Most of the energy we get from food goes into digestion. I think tofu is okay to eat in moderate amounts. I eat tofu sometimes. The jury is still out on the studies and I think both sides are valid. Tofu is one of the hardest foods to digest because of the complex proteins. It may be vegetarian but there are much healthier foods. I would put tofu in the same category as peanut butter ( which is a fatty legume ), cheese and cream. They are also vegetarian but hardly that healthy. Nuts and beans and grains (if you are not allergic to them) would be better. If one is trying to combat a disease, I would advise against using tofu. There are alot of other factors in the study of why people who live in Asian countries get lower rates of cancer. This is circumstancial evidence. People in Those countries use less pesticides, have much less stress, have less food additives, eat more veggies, eat less fat and eat less processed foods. It is not just because they eat tofu. Cause does not equal effect. GB Re: estrogenic effects of tofu One of my other favorite blog sites veganlunchbox.blogspot.com has posted info about soy and links to a bunch of articles. http://veganlunchbox.blogspot.com/2006/03/soy-controversy.html One of them explains how the soy studies are bunk. Rats/mice are a group of animals that are adversely affected by soy. Pigs and cows are " designed " more like humans in that respect and are not adversely affected. The studies were done on rats. For the record they have been eating soy/tofu in Asia for many, many years and they have lower cancer rates than western countries! Eatin moderation if you are worried, too much of anything can be bad. Gurubandhu If you cannot see God in all, You cannot see God at all. Yogi Bhajan Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 GB, Excellent information. Smiles and hugs coming your way from Colorado Deanna , Guru Khalsa <greatyoga wrote: > > Most of the energy we get from food goes into digestion. I think tofu is okay to eat in moderate amounts. I eat tofu sometimes. The jury is still out on the studies and I think both sides are valid. Tofu is one of the hardest foods to digest because of the complex proteins. It may be vegetarian but there are much healthier foods. I would put tofu in the same category as peanut butter ( which is a fatty legume ), cheese and cream. They are also vegetarian but hardly that healthy. Nuts and beans and grains (if you are not allergic to them) would be better. If one is trying to combat a disease, I would advise against using tofu. There are alot of other factors in the study of why people who live in Asian countries get lower rates of cancer. This is circumstancial evidence. People in Those countries use less pesticides, have much less stress, have less food additives, eat more veggies, eat less fat and eat less processed foods. It is not just because they eat > tofu. Cause does not equal effect. > > GB > > Re: estrogenic effects of tofu > > One of my other favorite blog sites veganlunchbox.blogspot.com has > posted info about soy and links to a bunch of articles. > > http://veganlunchbox.blogspot.com/2006/03/soy-controversy.html > > One of them explains how the soy studies are bunk. Rats/mice are a > group of animals that are adversely affected by soy. Pigs and cows > are " designed " more like humans in that respect and are not adversely > affected. The studies were done on rats. > > For the record they have been eating soy/tofu in Asia for many, many > years and they have lower cancer rates than western countries! > > Eatin moderation if you are worried, too much of anything can be bad. > > > > > > Gurubandhu > > If you cannot see God in all, > You cannot see God at all. > > Yogi Bhajan > > > Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Meat is the hardest to digest of anything. It is such a complex protein that it sits 3 days in the colon before the body has broken it down. All the while it is putrefying in the colon and releasing who knows what, that the animal may have had, into your body. Soy beans don't do this. They digest fairly easily. I've talked with people from Asian Countries and I don't know how you can say they have less stress. Most work at least 60 hours/week- 6 days a week and school is 6 days /week in Japan and have lots of traffic congestion in the drive or ride to work. They have very little personal and down time at all. The populations are high and prices are sky high. In Japan, most live in very small spaces and are blown away with the size of our homes and yards(of which most don't have). Living in a small space would drive me nuts and my stress level alone from that would be thru the roof. National Geographic just did a study on the people that live the longest and they found that one of the 3 groups were Seventh Day Adventist that live an average 8-10 year longer than the average person and the quality of live is much better in most cases. http://www7.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0511/feature1/ I am one and I can tell you that we advocate a vegetarian lifestyle and most consume soy products quite regularly. We also do recommend following the laws of good health. Click on these links if you want to learn more. http://www.newstart.com/NSacronym.html http://roeschnaturalfoods.com/articles_newstart.html Judy - Guru Khalsa Saturday, May 20, 2006 1:32 PM Re: estrogenic effects of tofu Most of the energy we get from food goes into digestion. I think tofu is okay to eat in moderate amounts. I eat tofu sometimes. The jury is still out on the studies and I think both sides are valid. Tofu is one of the hardest foods to digest because of the complex proteins. It may be vegetarian but there are much healthier foods. I would put tofu in the same category as peanut butter ( which is a fatty legume ), cheese and cream. They are also vegetarian but hardly that healthy. Nuts and beans and grains (if you are not allergic to them) would be better. If one is trying to combat a disease, I would advise against using tofu. There are alot of other factors in the study of why people who live in Asian countries get lower rates of cancer. This is circumstancial evidence. People in Those countries use less pesticides, have much less stress, have less food additives, eat more veggies, eat less fat and eat less processed foods. It is not just because they eat tofu. Cause does not equal effect. GB Re: estrogenic effects of tofu One of my other favorite blog sites veganlunchbox.blogspot.com has posted info about soy and links to a bunch of articles. http://veganlunchbox.blogspot.com/2006/03/soy-controversy.html One of them explains how the soy studies are bunk. Rats/mice are a group of animals that are adversely affected by soy. Pigs and cows are " designed " more like humans in that respect and are not adversely affected. The studies were done on rats. For the record they have been eating soy/tofu in Asia for many, many years and they have lower cancer rates than western countries! Eatin moderation if you are worried, too much of anything can be bad. Gurubandhu If you cannot see God in all, You cannot see God at all. Yogi Bhajan Sneak preview the all-new .com. It's not radically different. Just radically better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Just out of curiosity, what were the other two groups of people that lived the longest. I agree SDA's are among the healthiest I have seen. And there is a word in Japanese for working yourself to death as many Japanese are resported as doing. Japanese are very conscience people who refrain from stepping on the toes of others. Therefore, they take much of the burden upon themselves of problems that occur in their lives. They are wonderful people in general and have extremely high standards. I am not sure who the other two groups are, tho. I would love to know. Sincerely, Maureen Ring'em or ping'em. Make PC-to-phone calls as low as 1¢/min with Messenger with Voice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 Residents of Okinawa and Sardinia - maureen smith Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:18 PM Re: Re: estrogenic effects of tofu Just out of curiosity, what were the other two groups of people that lived the longest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 20, 2006 Report Share Posted May 20, 2006 I just found the link. Did you read the full article and disover WHY these groups lived the longest? Thanks. Maureen wwjd <jtwigg wrote: Residents of Okinawa and Sardinia - maureen smith Saturday, May 20, 2006 8:18 PM Re: Re: estrogenic effects of tofu Just out of curiosity, what were the other two groups of people that lived the longest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 22, 2008 Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 Found on baby center.com... " Many brands of soy milk highlight the fact that they contain isoflavones. Isoflavones are phytoestrogens, estrogen-like hormones found in plants such as whole grains, potatoes, dried beans, and apples that may lower blood cholesterol levels in adults. The phytoestrogens found in soy milk are safe for children and adults. " Puts my mind at ease... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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