Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's about 6 weeks old. Thanks for any help Chico Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 Chico, Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any type human or animal). ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´ On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote: > Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little > kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a > kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's > about 6 weeks old. > Thanks for any help > > Chico > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 No milk for kitty, they love it too bu they just don't digest milk. Cin , Chico Juarez <chico_trucker wrote: > > Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little > kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a > kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's > about 6 weeks old. > Thanks for any help > > Chico > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I hate to disagree with Terri but I have been giving kittens and puppies homogenized milk when they are coming off of the mother for the last 55 years and have never had a kitten or a puppy sicken from it at all ever. I have even raised baby wild rabbits and baby squirrel's on it. Here is a recipe that is very similar to the one our vet (who graduated from Texas A & M, which is one of the best Vet. schools in the country) gave me years ago. This is for new kittens who have lost their mothers but works for other little mammals. http://www.kittencare.com/askKC_Feeding_Kittens.html There is more information on the same site for kitten care and feeding as they get older. Nancy C. - Terri Partyka Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:27 PM Re: OT question about kittens & milk Chico, Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any type human or animal). ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´ On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote: > Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little > kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a > kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's > about 6 weeks old. > Thanks for any help > > Chico > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 I have heard from one vet to give milk and the other vet says no. I had 2 cats growing up and we gave them milk, the 2 I have now never had milk since I never buy it. They both love a little teeny bit of grated soy cheese, maybe they think it's made with milk. LOL Donna --- On Sat, 5/31/08, nancy curtis <nancihank wrote: nancy curtis <nancihank Re: OT question about kittens & milk Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:42 PM I hate to disagree with Terri but I have been giving kittens and puppies homogenized milk when they are coming off of the mother for the last 55 years and have never had a kitten or a puppy sicken from it at all ever. I have even raised baby wild rabbits and baby squirrel's on it. Here is a recipe that is very similar to the one our vet (who graduated from Texas A & M, which is one of the best Vet. schools in the country) gave me years ago. This is for new kittens who have lost their mothers but works for other little mammals. http://www.kittenca re.com/askKC_ Feeding_Kittens. html There is more information on the same site for kitten care and feeding as they get older. Nancy C. - Terri Partyka Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:27 PM Re: [vegetarian_ group] OT question about kittens & milk Chico, Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any type human or animal). ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´ On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote: > Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little > kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a > kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's > about 6 weeks old. > Thanks for any help > > Chico > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 31, 2008 Report Share Posted May 31, 2008 OT question about kittens & milk Posted by: " Chico Juarez " chico_trucker chico_trucker Sat May 31, 2008 5:16 pm ((PDT)) Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's about 6 weeks old. Thanks for any help Chico If it's about 6 weeks old, it may be partially weaned already, which may make giving it milk " iffy " . My DD and I found a couple of (about 4 week old)abandoned kittens several years ago and the vet said they might need help eating solid food. We had to use a syringe and got a little soft " kitten " food and squirted it into their mouths for about a week or so, and soon they were eating on their own from a little shallow dish. Now, if commercial kitten food is a problem for you, I would find out from a vet or someone who knows for sure what can be substituted safely for their dietary needs. Cats, unlike dogs, cannot readily adapt to non-meat pet food, and I would think it may be possible, but only with careful attention to their nutritional needs. Kittens especially, unless you have access to some milk substitute that they would digest easily. (If a vet says milk is okay, then I'd give them milk. The older the cat, the more likely it would be lactose intolerant. They get diarrhea. Not good!) I wish you the best with your kitty. I love those furry babies! I hope they enjoy their new home! --Laura B., in Illinois Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is raw milk. ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´ On May 31, 2008, at 11:42 PM, nancy curtis wrote: > I hate to disagree with Terri but I have been giving kittens and > puppies homogenized milk when they are coming off of the mother for > the last 55 years and have never had a kitten or a puppy sicken > from it at all ever. I have even raised baby wild rabbits and baby > squirrel's on it. Here is a recipe that is very similar to the one > our vet (who graduated from Texas A & M, which is one of the best > Vet. schools in the country) gave me years ago. This is for new > kittens who have lost their mothers but works for other little > mammals. > > http://www.kittencare.com/askKC_Feeding_Kittens.html > > There is more information on the same site for kitten care and > feeding as they get older. > > Nancy C. > > - > Terri Partyka > > Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:27 PM > Re: OT question about kittens & milk > > Chico, > > Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is > homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any > type human or animal). > > ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) > ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri > -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´ > > On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote: > > > Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little > > kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a > > kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's > > about 6 weeks old. > > Thanks for any help > > > > Chico > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Hi, Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight from the cows. It never seemed to bother them. They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked like a long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got their milk. Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my grandfather milked several cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats that lined up and Papaw would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But, I would venture to guess that most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to fresh milk but don't. I would also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have made it ok on cow's milk from the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had years ago and so many people have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to come by fresh raw milk. Our vet gave me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of our cats, that the basis was either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also homogized and part of the water removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised with the homo. based formula grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend for themselves. It was hard to let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the right kind of weather not wanting to release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often wonder what became of Lucky. He used to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably found a girlfriend and set up housekeeping in a tree. Nancy C. Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is raw milk. ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 i dont know bout milk straight from the cow, but milk straight from the jug from the store is NOT good for cats...cats are not designed to drink cow milk...especially sick ones that you are trying to nurse back to health and it is the only food/nutirition (sp i know) they are getting...it does not have enough protein for them, and will cause diarrihea...that will cause the kitten to lose fluids and electrolytes quickly and for you to lose the kitten...if you are nursing the kitten back to health, there are several options...walmart has milk replacement for cats, as i am sure that the vet has better quality food replacement...when the kitten gets a little older, there is a good vet sold food (or you can get it from petsmart once recomended from a vet) called a/d that is designed for sick cats and has a lot of nutrients...i hope this has helped some...mary , " Mary S. " <girltek wrote: > > Hi, > > Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight from the > cows. It never seemed to bother them. > They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked like a > long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got their milk. > > Mary > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 I do agree with you on this one.......cow's milk does seem to give adult cats or sick cats diarrhea, but for tiny kittens when they are starting out on solid dry food or in an emergency like with the baby rabbits I have raised, it has never seemed to hurt them....nor has it seemed to adversely effect our puppies. I have been helping mama dogs to wean puppies for about 30 years now. When the puppies start on solid food, I soak the puppy chow in water and then add some non-fat dry milk.....they love it and our vet told me to do this years ago. I don't know about other breeds but it doesn't seem to hurt our dachshund or chihuahua puppies. They are only on this for a few days until they can eat the wet, solid food....they I don't add it anymore. I am a firm believer that the milk of each mammal species is best for that species' babies whether it is baby whales, cats, dogs, cows, reindeer, moose, mice, etc. and most especially humans. Actually, humans are the only species that routinely expects it's babies to thrive and grown on the milk of another mammal....usually cow's or goat's milk. I think human milk is best for human babies. Nancy C. - none ya Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:38 PM Re: OT question about kittens & milk i dont know bout milk straight from the cow, but milk straight from the jug from the store is NOT good for cats...cats are not designed to drink cow milk...especially sick ones that you are trying to nurse back to health and it is the only food/nutirition (sp i know) they are getting...it does not have enough protein for them, and will cause diarrihea...that will cause the kitten to lose fluids and electrolytes quickly and for you to lose the kitten...if you are nursing the kitten back to health, there are several options...walmart has milk replacement for cats, as i am sure that the vet has better quality food replacement...when the kitten gets a little older, there is a good vet sold food (or you can get it from petsmart once recomended from a vet) called a/d that is designed for sick cats and has a lot of nutrients...i hope this has helped some...mary , " Mary S. " <girltek wrote: > > Hi, > > Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight from the > cows. It never seemed to bother them. > They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked like a > long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got their milk. > > Mary > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Mary.......that is exactly what my Papaw's barn cats did. I thought they were the most cunning little creatures ever when they did this......and they always seemed to know exactly when to come and line up. I love cats! Nancy C. Hi, Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight from the cows. It never seemed to bother them. They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked like a long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got their milk. Mary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Puppies and kittens and baby rabbits and any other small animal should have low fat cows milk in an emergency, but not regular whole milk. & nbsp; It contains to much fat and is too rich for their digestive systems. & nbsp; & nbsp;Reconstituted low fat instant or powdered is fine. & nbsp; & nbsp; Actually most human babies on milk would do better on low fat milk, too. & nbsp; Cows milk is to nurish a rather large baby. & nbsp; Small babies don't need that much and reduced fat, or even slightly diluted is better for them. Katie & nbsp; --- On Sun, 6/1/08, nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt; wrote: nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt; Re: OT question about kittens & amp; milk Sunday, June 1, 2008, 9:30 AM When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my grandfather milked several cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats that lined up and Papaw would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But, I would venture to guess that most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to fresh milk but don't. I would also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have made it ok on cow's milk from the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had years ago and so many people have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to come by fresh raw milk. Our vet gave me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of our cats, that the basis was either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also homogized and part of the water removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised with the homo. based formula grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend for themselves. It was hard to let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the right kind of weather not wanting to release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often wonder what became of Lucky. He used to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably found a girlfriend and set up housekeeping in a tree. Nancy C. Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is raw milk. ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 I have also used non-fat dry milk to make the emergency formula for rabbits, cats and puppies....but, I am guessing that you are referring to " babies " as in kittens...but, in case you are referring to human babies here is some information you may not have had access to: Human infants need the fat that is in human milk.....not the fat that is in any other kind animals milk. As you probably already know, the myelin sheath is a fatty substance around the 'limbs' (or processes) that sprout off of nerve cell bodies, mainly in the brain, but also in the spinal cord. The myelin sheath acts sort of like an insulator to keep messages from short-circuiting from one nerve pathway to another. Since the myelin sheath is made up mainly of fatty tissue, mothers or caretakers need to take particular care with the food that they feed infants and small children to make sure that they get enough fat in their diets. Did you know that human breast milk contains about 55% of its energy in the form of fat? That is a very high-fat diet. What 'Mother Nature' is telling us is that infants need a lot of fat...partially to help the infant's body complete the development of the myelin sheath. Babies are born with an incompletely developed nervous system, so fat in the diet is really important, especially for the first 2-3 years of life. I don't think any nutritionist would recommend a diet of 'junk food' (whatever that means) for an infant (breast milk for the first 6 months is the recommendation) and then breastfeeding in addition to solid foods for at least one year (two is better and baby led weaning is the best). But, what about a less-than-perfect diet for older children, adolescents and adults. Will that affect the myelin sheath? Once the sheath is formed, the body will do what it can to maintain that sheath. Also, your brain is quite well protected from outside influences. Since it is essential to life, isn't this the way the body should be designed?...if you were doing the designing? Thus, some fat in the diet is used to keep the myelin sheath healthy. And where the iron in human milk has an almost 100% absorbsion rate for infants, the iron that is added to cow's milk (which is naturally low in iron) in formula, is mostly excreted in the feces and can cause constipation in humans so it doesn't help them much. Other mammals milk is highly suited to it's own young. Milk from all of the hooved mammals (cows, sheep, goats, deer, moose, horses, etc.) is very high in calcium as these small babies have to be able to stand up and walk quickly as so many of these animals descended from nomadic herding groups even though they don't have to get on the move quickly today. Whale, seal, and dolphin milk is VERY high in fat as these babies must put on lots of weight quickly in order to withstand the cold waters in which they live. Mouse, rat, rabbits, as well as other rodents have milk that is very high in protein because these babies must aquire hair, mature and be able to move quickly in order to escape predators. The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that infants be given whole milk after weaning from the breast until they are two years of age at which time they should be given a low fat milk. I personally think people should not monkey around with what Mother Nature and God have given us to feed our children. And, there is an enzyeme in the human mouth that helps to digest solid food that is not present in a human child's mouth until the 1 year molars erupt in their mouths thereby making their systems start the digestive process of food in the mouth, before it reaches the stomach, just as it does in adults. Nancy C. - Katie Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:56 PM Re: OT question about kittens & milk Puppies and kittens and baby rabbits and any other small animal should have low fat cows milk in an emergency, but not regular whole milk. & nbsp; It contains to much fat and is too rich for their digestive systems. & nbsp; & nbsp;Reconstituted low fat instant or powdered is fine. & nbsp; & nbsp; Actually most human babies on milk would do better on low fat milk, too. & nbsp; Cows milk is to nurish a rather large baby. & nbsp; Small babies don't need that much and reduced fat, or even slightly diluted is better for them. Katie & nbsp; --- On Sun, 6/1/08, nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt; wrote: nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt; Re: OT question about kittens & amp; milk Sunday, June 1, 2008, 9:30 AM When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my grandfather milked several cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats that lined up and Papaw would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But, I would venture to guess that most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to fresh milk but don't. I would also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have made it ok on cow's milk from the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had years ago and so many people have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to come by fresh raw milk. Our vet gave me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of our cats, that the basis was either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also homogized and part of the water removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised with the homo. based formula grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend for themselves. It was hard to let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the right kind of weather not wanting to release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often wonder what became of Lucky. He used to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably found a girlfriend and set up housekeeping in a tree. Nancy C. Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is raw milk. ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 Oh what a lovely image, Nancy, of the kitties lined up and having fresh milk squirted in their open mouths :-). Right to the end, Ziggy loved a drink of milk, we didn’t give him it often, only when he asked for it – and he did this by sitting in a certain place in the living room, and looking at us, we knew then it was milk time. But on his last day when he was out sunbathing on his favourite plank of wood my brother took him out a saucer of milk which he drank. My vet said he was the oldest surviving diabetic kitty he knew (I have to ring the vet today to tell him the news :-( :-(), so a little bit of milk (sadly not straight from a cow) obviously did him no harm. Carolyn <VegetarianMasterCookFormatting/> VegetarianMasterCookFormatting/ Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Hate multiplies hate, violence multiplies violence, and toughness multiplies toughness in a descending spiral of destruction....The chain reaction of evil--hate begetting hate, wars producing more wars--must be broken, or we shall be plunged into the dark abyss of annihilation. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. _____ On Behalf Of nancy curtis 01 June 2008 18:30 Re: OT question about kittens & milk When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my grandfather milked several cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats that lined up and Papaw would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But, I would venture to guess that most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to fresh milk but don't. I would also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have made it ok on cow's milk from the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had years ago and so many people have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to come by fresh raw milk. Our vet gave me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of our cats, that the basis was either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also homogized and part of the water removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised with the homo. based formula grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend for themselves. It was hard to let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the right kind of weather not wanting to release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often wonder what became of Lucky. He used to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably found a girlfriend and set up housekeeping in a tree. Nancy C. Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is raw milk. ¸.·´ .·´¨¨)) _ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 2, 2008 Report Share Posted June 2, 2008 There's a product called Cat-sip in grocery stores, it can be found in the pet food aisle by the cat food. I gave it to my baby Patches right up until the day he died. he loved it and it didn't make him sick. It's lactose free and it was approved by our vet. It doesn't cost much and can last unopened for a very long time. Once you've opened it, it should be kept in the refrigerator. The best news is that dogs can have it too. booliterary21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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