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Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little

kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a

kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's

about 6 weeks old.

Thanks for any help

 

Chico

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Chico,

 

Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is

homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any

type human or animal).

 

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((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´

 

 

 

On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote:

 

> Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little

> kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a

> kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's

> about 6 weeks old.

> Thanks for any help

>

> Chico

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

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No milk for kitty, they love it too bu they just don't digest milk.

 

Cin

 

, Chico Juarez

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>

> Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little

> kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a

> kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's

> about 6 weeks old.

> Thanks for any help

>

> Chico

>

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I hate to disagree with Terri but I have been giving kittens and puppies

homogenized milk when they are coming off of the mother for the last 55 years

and have never had a kitten or a puppy sicken from it at all ever. I have even

raised baby wild rabbits and baby squirrel's on it. Here is a recipe that is

very similar to the one our vet (who graduated from Texas A & M, which is one of

the best Vet. schools in the country) gave me years ago. This is for new

kittens who have lost their mothers but works for other little mammals.

 

http://www.kittencare.com/askKC_Feeding_Kittens.html

 

There is more information on the same site for kitten care and feeding as they

get older.

 

Nancy C.

 

 

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Terri Partyka

Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:27 PM

Re: OT question about kittens & milk

 

 

Chico,

 

Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is

homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any

type human or animal).

 

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´

 

On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote:

 

> Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little

> kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a

> kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's

> about 6 weeks old.

> Thanks for any help

>

> Chico

>

>

>

 

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I have heard from one vet to give milk and the other vet says no. I had 2 cats

growing up and we gave them milk, the 2 I have now never had milk since I never

buy it.

They both love a little teeny bit of grated soy cheese, maybe they think it's

made with milk. LOL

Donna

 

 

--- On Sat, 5/31/08, nancy curtis <nancihank wrote:

 

nancy curtis <nancihank

Re: OT question about kittens & milk

 

Saturday, May 31, 2008, 8:42 PM

 

I hate to disagree with Terri but I have been giving kittens and puppies

homogenized milk when they are coming off of the mother for the last 55 years

and have never had a kitten or a puppy sicken from it at all ever. I have even

raised baby wild rabbits and baby squirrel's on it. Here is a recipe that is

very similar to the one our vet (who graduated from Texas A & M, which is one of

the best Vet. schools in the country) gave me years ago. This is for new kittens

who have lost their mothers but works for other little mammals.

 

http://www.kittenca re.com/askKC_ Feeding_Kittens. html

 

There is more information on the same site for kitten care and feeding as they

get older.

 

Nancy C.

 

-

Terri Partyka

 

Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:27 PM

Re: [vegetarian_ group] OT question about kittens & milk

 

Chico,

 

Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is

homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any

type human or animal).

 

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´

 

On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote:

 

> Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little

> kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a

> kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's

> about 6 weeks old.

> Thanks for any help

>

> Chico

>

>

>

 

 

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OT question about kittens & milk

Posted by: " Chico Juarez " chico_trucker chico_trucker

Sat May 31, 2008 5:16 pm ((PDT))

 

Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little

kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a

kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's

about 6 weeks old.

Thanks for any help

 

Chico

 

If it's about 6 weeks old, it may be partially weaned already, which may

make giving it milk " iffy " . My DD and I found a couple of (about 4 week

old)abandoned kittens several years ago and the vet said they might need help

eating solid food. We had to use a syringe and got a little soft " kitten " food

and squirted it into their mouths for about a week or so, and soon they were

eating on their own from a little shallow dish.

Now, if commercial kitten food is a problem for you, I would find out

from a vet or someone who knows for sure what can be substituted safely for

their dietary needs. Cats, unlike dogs, cannot readily adapt to non-meat pet

food, and I would think it may be possible, but only with careful attention to

their nutritional needs. Kittens especially, unless you have access to some

milk substitute that they would digest easily. (If a vet says milk is okay,

then I'd give them milk. The older the cat, the more likely it would be

lactose intolerant. They get diarrhea. Not good!)

 

I wish you the best with your kitty. I love those furry babies! I hope

they enjoy their new home!

 

--Laura B., in Illinois

 

 

 

 

 

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Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in

farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is

raw milk.

 

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

-:¦:- ((¸¸.·´

 

 

 

On May 31, 2008, at 11:42 PM, nancy curtis wrote:

 

> I hate to disagree with Terri but I have been giving kittens and

> puppies homogenized milk when they are coming off of the mother for

> the last 55 years and have never had a kitten or a puppy sicken

> from it at all ever. I have even raised baby wild rabbits and baby

> squirrel's on it. Here is a recipe that is very similar to the one

> our vet (who graduated from Texas A & M, which is one of the best

> Vet. schools in the country) gave me years ago. This is for new

> kittens who have lost their mothers but works for other little

> mammals.

>

> http://www.kittencare.com/askKC_Feeding_Kittens.html

>

> There is more information on the same site for kitten care and

> feeding as they get older.

>

> Nancy C.

>

> -

> Terri Partyka

>

> Saturday, May 31, 2008 7:27 PM

> Re: OT question about kittens & milk

>

> Chico,

>

> Unless it is raw milk, don't give it to him! When the milk is

> homogenized, it makes it undigestible, just like for infants (any

> type human or animal).

>

> ¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

> ((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

> -:¦:- ((¸¸.·´

>

> On May 31, 2008, at 8:16 PM, Chico Juarez wrote:

>

> > Are they lactose intolerant, can I give a little

> > kitten some milk or it's not a good idea? I found a

> > kitten and tomorrow I'm taking it to a new home. It's

> > about 6 weeks old.

> > Thanks for any help

> >

> > Chico

> >

> >

> >

>

>

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Hi,

 

Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight from the

cows. It never seemed to bother them.

They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked like a

long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got their milk.

 

Mary

 

 

 

 

 

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When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my

grandfather milked several

cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats

that lined up and Papaw

would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But,

I would venture to guess that

most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to

fresh milk but don't. I would

also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have made

it ok on cow's milk from

the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had

years ago and so many people

have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to come

by fresh raw milk.

Our vet gave

me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of our

cats, that the basis was

either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also

homogized and part of the water

removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised

with the homo. based formula

grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend

for themselves. It was hard to

let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the

right kind of weather not wanting to

release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often

wonder what became of Lucky. He used

to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably

found a girlfriend and set up

housekeeping in a tree.

Nancy C.

 

 

Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in

farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is

raw milk.

 

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

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i dont know bout milk straight from the cow, but milk straight from

the jug from the store is NOT good for cats...cats are not designed

to drink cow milk...especially sick ones that you are trying to nurse

back to health and it is the only food/nutirition (sp i know) they

are getting...it does not have enough protein for them, and will

cause diarrihea...that will cause the kitten to lose fluids and

electrolytes quickly and for you to lose the kitten...if you are

nursing the kitten back to health, there are several

options...walmart has milk replacement for cats, as i am sure that

the vet has better quality food replacement...when the kitten gets a

little older, there is a good vet sold food (or you can get it from

petsmart once recomended from a vet) called a/d that is designed for

sick cats and has a lot of nutrients...i hope this has helped

some...mary

 

, " Mary S. " <girltek

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> Hi,

>

> Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight

from the

> cows. It never seemed to bother them.

> They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked

like a

> long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got

their milk.

>

> Mary

>

>

>

>

>

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I do agree with you on this one.......cow's milk does seem to give adult cats or

sick cats diarrhea, but for tiny kittens when they are starting out on solid dry

food or in an emergency like with the baby rabbits I have raised, it has never

seemed to hurt them....nor has it seemed to adversely effect our puppies. I

have been helping mama dogs to wean puppies for about 30 years now. When the

puppies start on solid food, I soak the puppy chow in water and then add some

non-fat dry milk.....they love it and our vet told me to do this years ago. I

don't know about other breeds but it doesn't seem to hurt our dachshund or

chihuahua puppies. They are only on this for a few days until they can eat the

wet, solid food....they I don't add it anymore.

 

I am a firm believer that the milk of each mammal species is best for that

species' babies whether it is baby whales, cats, dogs, cows, reindeer, moose,

mice, etc. and most especially humans. Actually, humans are the only species

that routinely expects it's babies to thrive and grown on the milk of another

mammal....usually cow's or goat's milk. I think human milk is best for human

babies.

Nancy C.

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none ya

Sunday, June 01, 2008 1:38 PM

Re: OT question about kittens & milk

 

 

i dont know bout milk straight from the cow, but milk straight from

the jug from the store is NOT good for cats...cats are not designed

to drink cow milk...especially sick ones that you are trying to nurse

back to health and it is the only food/nutirition (sp i know) they

are getting...it does not have enough protein for them, and will

cause diarrihea...that will cause the kitten to lose fluids and

electrolytes quickly and for you to lose the kitten...if you are

nursing the kitten back to health, there are several

options...walmart has milk replacement for cats, as i am sure that

the vet has better quality food replacement...when the kitten gets a

little older, there is a good vet sold food (or you can get it from

petsmart once recomended from a vet) called a/d that is designed for

sick cats and has a lot of nutrients...i hope this has helped

some...mary

 

, " Mary S. " <girltek

wrote:

>

> Hi,

>

> Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight

from the

> cows. It never seemed to bother them.

> They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked

like a

> long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got

their milk.

>

> Mary

>

>

>

>

>

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Mary.......that is exactly what my Papaw's barn cats did. I thought they were

the most cunning little creatures ever when they did this......and they always

seemed to know exactly when to come and line up. I love cats!

 

Nancy C.

 

 

 

 

 

Hi,

 

Growing up on a farm, we always gave the cats raw milk straight from the

cows. It never seemed to bother them.

They actually lined up on the feed troughes waiting. It looked like a

long clothes line of cats that would not be quiet until they got their milk.

 

Mary

 

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Puppies and kittens and baby rabbits and any other small animal should have low

fat cows milk in an emergency, but not regular whole milk. & nbsp; It contains to

much fat and is too rich for their digestive systems. & nbsp; & nbsp;Reconstituted

low fat instant or powdered is fine. & nbsp; & nbsp;

Actually most human babies on milk would do better on low fat milk, too. & nbsp;

Cows milk is to nurish a rather large baby. & nbsp; Small babies don't need that

much and reduced fat, or even slightly diluted is better for them.

Katie

& nbsp;

--- On Sun, 6/1/08, nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt; wrote:

 

nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt;

Re: OT question about kittens & amp; milk

 

Sunday, June 1, 2008, 9:30 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my

grandfather milked several

cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats that

lined up and Papaw

would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But, I

would venture to guess that

most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to fresh

milk but don't. I would

also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have made

it ok on cow's milk from

the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had years

ago and so many people

have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to come

by fresh raw milk.

Our vet gave

me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of our

cats, that the basis was

either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also

homogized and part of the water

removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised

with the homo. based formula

grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend for

themselves. It was hard to

let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the right

kind of weather not wanting to

release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often wonder

what became of Lucky. He used

to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably

found a girlfriend and set up

housekeeping in a tree.

Nancy C.

 

Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in

farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is

raw milk.

 

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I have also used non-fat dry milk to make the emergency formula for rabbits,

cats and puppies....but,

I am guessing that you are referring to " babies " as in kittens...but, in case

you are referring to

human babies here is some information you may not have had access to:

 

Human infants need the fat that is in human milk.....not the fat that

is in any other kind animals milk. As you probably already know, the

myelin sheath is a fatty substance around the 'limbs' (or processes) that sprout

off of nerve cell bodies, mainly in the brain, but also in the spinal cord. The

myelin

sheath acts sort of like an insulator to keep messages from short-circuiting

from

one nerve pathway to another.

 

Since the myelin sheath is made up mainly of fatty tissue, mothers or

caretakers need to take particular care with the food that they feed

infants and small children to make sure that they get enough fat in their

diets. Did you know that human breast milk contains about 55% of its

energy in the form of fat? That is a very high-fat diet. What 'Mother

Nature' is telling us is that infants need a lot of fat...partially to help

the infant's body complete the development of the myelin sheath. Babies

are born with an incompletely developed nervous system, so fat in the diet

is really important, especially for the first 2-3 years of life.

 

I don't think any nutritionist would recommend a

diet of 'junk food' (whatever that means) for an infant (breast milk for

the first 6 months is the recommendation) and then breastfeeding in addition to

solid foods for at least one year (two is better and baby led weaning is the

best).

But, what about a less-than-perfect diet for older children, adolescents and

adults.

Will that affect the myelin sheath? Once the sheath is formed, the body will do

what it can to maintain that sheath. Also, your brain is quite well

protected from outside influences. Since it is essential to life, isn't

this the way the body should be designed?...if you were doing the

designing?

 

Thus, some fat in the diet is used to keep the myelin sheath healthy.

 

And where the iron in human milk has an almost 100% absorbsion rate for

infants, the iron that is added to cow's milk (which is naturally low in iron)

in formula,

is mostly excreted in the feces and can cause constipation in humans so it

doesn't

help them much.

 

Other mammals milk is highly suited to it's own young. Milk from all of the

hooved

mammals (cows, sheep, goats, deer, moose, horses, etc.) is very high in calcium

as these

small babies have to be able to stand up and walk quickly as so many of these

animals descended

from nomadic herding groups even though they don't have to get on the move

quickly

today. Whale, seal, and dolphin milk is VERY high in fat as these babies must

put on

lots of weight quickly in order to withstand the cold waters in which they live.

Mouse,

rat, rabbits, as well as other rodents have milk that is very high in protein

because these

babies must aquire hair, mature and be able to move quickly in order to escape

predators.

 

The American Academy of Pediatrics recommends that infants be given whole milk

after

weaning from the breast until they are two years of age at which time they

should be given

a low fat milk.

 

I personally think people should not monkey around with what Mother Nature and

God

have given us to feed our children. And, there is an enzyeme in the human

mouth

that helps to digest solid food that is not present in a human child's mouth

until the

1 year molars erupt in their mouths thereby making their systems start

the digestive process of food in the mouth, before it reaches the stomach, just

as it does in adults.

Nancy C.

 

 

 

 

 

-

Katie

Sunday, June 01, 2008 5:56 PM

Re: OT question about kittens & milk

 

 

 

Puppies and kittens and baby rabbits and any other small animal should have

low fat cows milk in an emergency, but not regular whole milk. & nbsp; It contains

to much fat and is too rich for their digestive

systems. & nbsp; & nbsp;Reconstituted low fat instant or powdered is

fine. & nbsp; & nbsp;

Actually most human babies on milk would do better on low fat milk, too. & nbsp;

Cows milk is to nurish a rather large baby. & nbsp; Small babies don't need that

much and reduced fat, or even slightly diluted is better for them.

Katie

& nbsp;

--- On Sun, 6/1/08, nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt; wrote:

 

nancy curtis & lt;nancihank & gt;

Re: OT question about kittens & amp; milk

Sunday, June 1, 2008, 9:30 AM

 

When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my

grandfather milked several

cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats that

lined up and Papaw

would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But, I

would venture to guess that

most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to

fresh milk but don't. I would

also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have made

it ok on cow's milk from

the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had

years ago and so many people

have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to come

by fresh raw milk.

Our vet gave

me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of our

cats, that the basis was

either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also

homogized and part of the water

removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised

with the homo. based formula

grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend

for themselves. It was hard to

let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the right

kind of weather not wanting to

release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often

wonder what became of Lucky. He used

to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably

found a girlfriend and set up

housekeeping in a tree.

Nancy C.

 

Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in

farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is

raw milk.

 

¸.·´ .·´¨¨))

((¸¸.·´ .·´ -:¦:- Terri

 

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Oh what a lovely image, Nancy, of the kitties lined up and having fresh milk

squirted in their open mouths :-). Right to the end, Ziggy loved a drink of

milk, we didn’t give him it often, only when he asked for it – and he did

this by sitting in a certain place in the living room, and looking at us, we

knew then it was milk time. But on his last day when he was out sunbathing

on his favourite plank of wood my brother took him out a saucer of milk

which he drank. My vet said he was the oldest surviving diabetic kitty he

knew (I have to ring the vet today to tell him the news :-( :-(), so a

little bit of milk (sadly not straight from a cow) obviously did him no

harm.

 

 

 

Carolyn

 

 

 

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01 June 2008 18:30

 

Re: OT question about kittens & milk

 

 

 

When I was a little girl, my grandparents in Irving had a farm and my

grandfather milked several

cows every morning and evening. I can remember very well the " barn " cats

that lined up and Papaw

would squirt milk into their waiting, open mouths....and they loved it. But,

I would venture to guess that

most people do not live on farms and like me would love to have access to

fresh milk but don't. I would

also guess that there are a lot of abandoned puppies and kittens who have

made it ok on cow's milk from

the store because there was no " canned puppy or kitten formula " to be had

years ago and so many people

have pets that live in the cities of the world where it is really hard to

come by fresh raw milk.

Our vet gave

me a formula to make up at home when I rescued a baby squirrel from one of

our cats, that the basis was

either whole homogized milk or evaporated milk, which is, of course, also

homogized and part of the water

removed. The little bunnies, one at a time in different years, that I raised

with the homo. based formula

grew well and we eventually released them when they were old enough to fend

for themselves. It was hard to

let them go. Lucky, the squirrel, we kept him for a year waiting for the

right kind of weather not wanting to

release him when he was too little to tough out the cold weather. I often

wonder what became of Lucky. He used

to come down out of the trees and visit with us for a month or two. Probably

found a girlfriend and set up

housekeeping in a tree.

Nancy C.

 

Thanks for the info. I have never heard this before. We live in

farm country, and the only milk ever given to the cats around here is

raw milk.

 

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There's a product called Cat-sip in grocery stores, it can be found

in the pet food aisle by the cat food. I gave it to my baby Patches

right up until the day he died. he loved it and it didn't make him

sick. It's lactose free and it was approved by our vet. It doesn't

cost much and can last unopened for a very long time. Once you've

opened it, it should be kept in the refrigerator. The best news is

that dogs can have it too.

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