recipe book

[Guest guest]

LET IT GO, Shari.

 

I hardly think this is a situation necessitating the

badgering of someone who is visually handicapped

and meant no ill will, much less accussing her of

a crime publicly....

 

It's not even your book or personal issue, besides.

 

If you want to be genuinely magnanimous to offer

paying the $5 to send her the recipes personally

(even tho she obviously has them already), then

do so privately and without couching your offer

with insensitive and derogatory castagations in

full view of a public list.

 

I find your behavior actually more offensive, and

would prefer being allowed to more rather focus

positive attention on the real reasons most of us

are here per being healthier and less toxic folk.

 

Thank you and have a good day.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I understand that we should not post other's recipes from their books. But,

what about people who don't read printed material. Is her book in audio or

electronic format? When you don't consider other's who can't read the printed

format. it makes those who can't enjoy the recipes feel like they are being

discriminated against, which is not the case, but it does feel that way. I am

totally blind, and there are not many books in a format I can read with raw

recipes.

 

 

[Guest guest]

Where's the website?

Thanks,

Cheryl

 

> Please go to her website and purchase the book if you would like the

> recipes.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tamika Polk,

 

Thanks for making me aware of people out there who can't read e-books.

I would like to be in touch with you to learn how I can get my recipes to

people like you who are visually challenged.

 

Please write to me off-list, at _vegwriter_

(vegwriter)

 

Thanks,

 

Judy Pokras

editor/publisher

RawFoodsNewsMagazine.com's Little Book of Raw Thanksgiving Recipes.

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2006 8:54:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tamikapolk writes:

 

I understand that we should not post other's recipes from their books.

But, what about people who don't read printed material. Is her book in audio

or

electronic format? When you don't consider other's who can't read the

printed format. it makes those who can't enjoy the recipes feel like they are

being discriminated against, which is not the case, but it does feel that way.

I am totally blind, and there are not many books in a format I can read with

raw recipes.

 

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am sorry, but I must ask how does putting them on a website or a list such as

this help you? I don't mean to be mean, but is there technology that " reads "

what is on the computer? Translates it to the spoken word? Does it do it

automatically for you? How are you " reading " this message?

 

I honestly don't know the answer to thses questions and would like to know. I

still don't think that is a reason for theft. If your computer does these

things why can't you pay the $5 and have the recipes sent to you like the rest

of us.

 

Sorry you are in this situation but unless you have the technology to translate

the written word to the spoken word, this is not a good argument for stealing

someone's work.

 

I would be glad to give you the recipes over the phone and I WILL PAY Judy for

the privilege to share with you.

 

Shari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks, Shari.

 

I appreciate your support.

 

I did take a lot of time collecting those recipes from chefs, and getting

their permission to publish them, and editing the book and doing the layout. I

do think $5 is a very reasonable price for what the book offers. I was really

surprised that someone would post nearly half of the book on an e-group

website and send out links to the group's 2610 members. The book clearly

states,

in two places, that it is for sale and under copyright law should not be

distributed.

 

Shari, it's very kind of you to offer to pay for another copy of the book

and offer to read it to the visually challenged woman who posted to this group.

 

Judy Pokras

editor/publisher

_www.RawFoodsNewsMagazine.com_ (http://www.RawFoodsNewsMagazine.com)

The Little Book of Raw Thanksgiving Recipes

 

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2006 10:01:45 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

shavig writes:

 

I am sorry, but I must ask how does putting them on a website or a list such

as this help you? I don't mean to be mean, but is there technology that

" reads " what is on the computer? Translates it to the spoken word? Does it do

it automatically for you? How are you " reading " this message?

 

I honestly don't know the answer to thses questions and would like to know.

I still don't think that is a reason for theft. If your computer does these

things why can't you pay the $5 and have the recipes sent to you like the

rest of us.

 

Sorry you are in this situation but unless you have the technology to

translate the written word to the spoken word, this is not a good argument for

stealing someone's work.

 

I would be glad to give you the recipes over the phone and I WILL PAY Judy

for the privilege to share with you.

 

Shari

 

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Links

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I surely hope this situation doesn't deteriorate into a squabble and name

calling. I suspect that the person that posted the recipes and gave the

citation had no idea that it might not be considered appropriate and was

just sharing with us recipes that had worked for her. She certainly wasn't

taking credit for herself as the creator of the recipes. And it wasn't the

person that you appear to be posting about below who is blind. I didn't

consider the poster of the recipes to be engaging in theft. Recipes are

posted on sites such as this all of the time and citations given which she

did. I think that taking the recipes off was the right thing to do since the

originator asked that it be done so. The hostility I think was unnecessary.

Unless, of course, the book stated explicitly that one could not pass on

recipes to anyone else without the author's specific permission. Now the

below paragraph is NOT a statement about this particular situation but just

the meandering of thoughts that sometimes emit from me and I suspect that I

have had it pointed out to me from some other source of which I can't give

credit to since I don't remember where it was from but:

 

Makes me think of the movie Shirley Valentine when a teacher asked the class

what was the single most important invention in history. No one had the

answer correct. Then Shirley stood up and said " the Wheel " which was

correct. The teacher saw red and said " Who told you that? " Shirley was

perplexed and said something like " from the father. " (I think it might have

been another source) Of course she had learned it from somewhere else. Every

single thing we know has been passed down through time and combined and is

usually not really our total creation. So, guess we ought to go around

giving real credit to everyone else but ourselves because that is the way it

is.

linda

 

-

" SV " <shavig

 

 

> I am sorry, but I must ask how does putting them on a website or a list

such as this help you? I don't mean to be mean, but is there technology

that " reads " what is on the computer? Translates it to the spoken word?

Does it do it automatically for you? How are you " reading " this message?

>

> I honestly don't know the answer to thses questions and would like to

know. I still don't think that is a reason for theft. If your computer

does these things why can't you pay the $5 and have the recipes sent to you

like the rest of us.

>

> Sorry you are in this situation but unless you have the technology to

translate the written word to the spoken word, this is not a good argument

for stealing someone's work.

>

> I would be glad to give you the recipes over the phone and I WILL PAY Judy

for the privilege to share with you.

>

> Shari

>

>

[Guest guest]

_www.RawFoodsNewsMagazine.com_ (http://www.RawFoodsNewsMagazine.com)

is where you can buy The Little e-Book of Raw Thanksgiving Recipes.

 

In a message dated 11/19/2006 9:33:46 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

enchanteddreams writes:

 

Where's the website?

Thanks,

Cheryl

 

> Please go to her website and purchase the book if you would like the

> recipes.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

There is software that you can buy that will convert any email, and I would

suspect an ebook, into audio format. I'm not sure what it's called but I

know that my website designer has it.

 

If it doesn't work with a PDF, if you contact an ebook seller and ask if you

can purchase it in Word format, I'd imagine that would convert to audio

format.

 

Take care,

 

Carol Ann

 

FREE Zensight Energy Work Ebook & Spoon Bending Video!

www.ZensightProcess.com/video.shtml

 

 

In a message dated 11/19/2006 8:54:07 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

tamikapolk writes:

 

I understand that we should not post other's recipes from their books.

But, what about people who don't read printed material. Is her book in

audio or

electronic format? When you don't consider other's who can't read the

printed format. it makes those who can't enjoy the recipes feel like they

are

being discriminated against, which is not the case, but it does feel that

way.

I am totally blind, and there are not many books in a format I can read

with

raw recipes.

[Guest guest]

Thanks Carol Ann, I was wondering how communication with email or groups is

accomplished without sight. I figured there would be some sort of voice

program. I got to go to Microsoft and record words for their voice recognition

programs being developed. This was more than 5 years ago and I was never told

what was to become of my voice, but it was fun!

 

Shari

 

 

[Guest guest]

The website is http://www.rawfoodsnewsmagazine.com/

 

 

rawfood , " enchanteddreams "

<enchanteddreams wrote:

>

> Where's the website?

> Thanks,

> Cheryl

>

> > Please go to her website and purchase the book if you would like the

> > recipes.

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Shari,

My husband is also blind and uses the JAWS software program-- it 'reads' aloud

to him. So yes, a blind person with this type of software can listen to a voice

reading to them any material online they chooses-- including recipes on this

list. :-) And the blind do miss out on an awful lot of stuff, due to the

inaccessibility of most reading material.

 

Best--

Sharrhan

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Very interesting. I'm going to pass this on to my friend. Her son is Type 1

diabetic and blind. Don't know if he's aware of this, probably but I'm going to

send it his way anyway.

 

Thanks for sharing and not being angry with me. I need to learn these things.

 

Shari

 

-

Sharrhan Williamson

rawfood

Monday, November 20, 2006 4:24 AM

[Raw Food] Re: recipe book

 

 

Hi Shari,

My husband is also blind and uses the JAWS software program-- it 'reads' aloud

to him. So yes, a blind person with this type of software can listen to a voice

reading to them any material online they chooses-- including recipes on this

list. :-) And the blind do miss out on an awful lot of stuff, due to the

inaccessibility of most reading material.

 

Best--

Sharrhan

 

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[Guest guest]

I use JAWS myself, and it is a wonderful piece of software for reading almost

everything. But, there has to be scripts written to work with different types

of software, and if websites are full of graphics, JAWS can't read it. They

have to be made accessible for screen readers. If you look ate a website, and

it has a link with text only, this is for the purpose of screen readers.

 

Tamika Polk

 

 

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/21/2006 9:41:43 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,

lindai81 writes:

 

The hostility I think was unnecessary.

Unless, of course, the book stated explicitly that one could not pass on

recipes to anyone else without the author's specific permission.

 

 

The book does say that, at the top of both parts of the book.

 

Judy

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

ONE LAST TIME! I am NOT badgering someone who is blind!!! Those were genuine

questions about how the blind " see " on the internet. That was not my point at

all. It was about the person who posted the recipes and I like to think she and

I are friends. We are on another list and have " known " each other for a couple

years.

 

And if you will recall I have offered to buy anyone a book who wants one. And

so far no one has taken me up on the offer.

 

Shari

 

 

[Guest guest]

Then if it is explicitly stated in your particular book then that is

the rule to be followed. I said in a previous post, " And while maybe

this applies to things like what was posted on the list, it doesn't

apply to everyone and everything (except maybe here) since that is how

things are done as long as the reference is cited. " That was in

response to the adamant statements by a few posters that made sweeping

all inclusive statements about having to get permission from the

author or publisher or whoever else for any book was flatly not true.I

had said I didn't know what the rules on the internet worked, but that

in the real world that is not how it works. However, that does NOT

apply to every book or situation. I think you get my point since I

gave you examples of where it does not apply.

 

I am not reading messages now except on the net from time to time

since I am not getting any real practical concrete help about recipes

and now find that it wouldn't be safe for anyone to post a recipe to

the group so the reason I joined seems to have been in error.

linda

 

rawfood , vegwriter wrote:

 

> The book does say that, at the top of both parts of the book.

>

> Judy

>

[Guest guest]

Hello:

Linda, I am going to tell you, and everyone, how to copy a recipe

without violating copyright law.

 

The law says that there is no copyright on ingredients.

That means that you can copy the ingredients list as is.

I would recommend that, just for fun, you change the way the

ingredients list is written (*as I could have done*), i.e., T instead

of tablespoon, or tablespoon instead of T.

 

The law says that you cannot copy the way the *recipe* part

is written, so, if you want to copy a recipe and not violate copyright

law, all you have to do is reword the instructions.

i.e.:

If the instructions say:

" In a bowl, combine the grated sweet potato, apple, and cinnamon " ,

you could say " After you grate the sweet potato, apple, and cinnamon,

put them in a bowl and mix them "

I, personally, do not like that grammar, and would not write it like

that, but you could, and it would be legal.

 

Although I could have, I did not alter the recipes that I posted

because I *WANTED* to cite the source. I *WANTED* people to know where

the recipes came from.

 

I DID NOT want anyone to think that they were my recipes.

 

I WANTED to PUBLICIZE the author of the e-book (who, incidentally, is

not the author of the recipes, but, instead, only the editor of the

collection.)

 

I think that the editor of the collection has done the world a favor

in collecting these recipes and making them available at an

intensely reasonable price.

 

I'm tired. Can we stop this?

Margaret

 

rawfood , " linda " <lindai81 wrote:

>

> I surely hope this situation doesn't deteriorate into a squabble

and name

> calling. I suspect that the person that posted the recipes and gave the

> citation had no idea that it might not be considered appropriate and was

> just sharing with us recipes that had worked for her. She certainly

wasn't

> taking credit for herself as the creator of the recipes. And it

wasn't the

> person that you appear to be posting about below who is blind. I didn't

> consider the poster of the recipes to be engaging in theft. Recipes are

> posted on sites such as this all of the time and citations given

which she

> did. I think that taking the recipes off was the right thing to do

since the

> originator asked that it be done so. The hostility I think was

unnecessary.

> Unless, of course, the book stated explicitly that one could not

pass on

> recipes to anyone else without the author's specific permission. Now the

> below paragraph is NOT a statement about this particular situation

but just

> the meandering of thoughts that sometimes emit from me and I suspect

that I

> have had it pointed out to me from some other source of which I

can't give

> credit to since I don't remember where it was from but:

>

> Makes me think of the movie Shirley Valentine when a teacher asked

the class

> what was the single most important invention in history. No one had the

> answer correct. Then Shirley stood up and said " the Wheel " which was

> correct. The teacher saw red and said " Who told you that? " Shirley was

> perplexed and said something like " from the father. " (I think it

might have

> been another source) Of course she had learned it from somewhere

else. Every

> single thing we know has been passed down through time and combined

and is

> usually not really our total creation. So, guess we ought to go around

> giving real credit to everyone else but ourselves because that is

the way it

> is.

> linda

>

> -

> " SV " <shavig

>

>

> > I am sorry, but I must ask how does putting them on a website or a

list

> such as this help you? I don't mean to be mean, but is there technology

> that " reads " what is on the computer? Translates it to the spoken word?

> Does it do it automatically for you? How are you " reading " this

message?

> >

> > I honestly don't know the answer to thses questions and would like to

> know. I still don't think that is a reason for theft. If your computer

> does these things why can't you pay the $5 and have the recipes sent

to you

> like the rest of us.

> >

> > Sorry you are in this situation but unless you have the technology to

> translate the written word to the spoken word, this is not a good

argument

> for stealing someone's work.

> >

> > I would be glad to give you the recipes over the phone and I WILL

PAY Judy

> for the privilege to share with you.

> >

> > Shari

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

There is a great vegetarian recipe book that many of you may not know

about. My 12yo ds is a huge Redwall fan (Brian Jacques-author) and

there is a book called " The Redwall Cookbook " . The recipes are

wonderful and earthy. Entrees, deserts, drinks it has it all. It has

some stories in it, but on most pages there is a recipe that they talk

about in the stories. I have checked mine out from the library. Most

recipes are vegan, or can be made vegan by using soy cheese. The

stories are wonderful and if any of you like reading, check out the

books too. They are awesome. My 26yo ds read them first and loved

them, then I read them, now my younger son has read them all.

 

Michelle