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[Guest guest]

Believe it or not things are changing.  My niece and her husband are resident

docs at UCLA. She is vegetarian and after going through medical college her

husband is 90% vegetarian, they saw plenty of nightmares due to a non-vegetarian

diets loaded with fried foods and high amounts of dairy and eggs.  They have

many resident docs working with them and they are now vegetarians too, a few are

in the group to use our recipes since they have very little time to post and

they know our recipes are TNT good ones. 

I agree, the drug companies are all about making $$$ and making people sick with

their medications and they reward the docs for using their meds, especially the

blood pressure meds, and cholesterol meds, the docs won't recommend a healthy

vegetarian diet, now and then they will tell you to see a nutritionist but

rarely.  There are plenty of people on certain medications that are helping them

get through life and we do have to be thankful those meds are available. There

is nothing in this world that will get rid of my migraines but Imitex and I know

it has side effects but then so does the migraine so I do take it if needed.

Donna

 

--- On Thu, 6/26/08, rosetalleo <rosetalleo wrote:

 

rosetalleo <rosetalleo

Re: challenges

 

Thursday, June 26, 2008, 11:24 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

, thelilacflower@ ... wrote:

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> I truly believe some of the doctors cause this theory. They will

tell people to give up meat and have baked chicken and fish. I think

the patient has no idea since they have high cholesterol and think the

doc put them on a vegetarian diet. Many non-vegs think cutting out

red meat is a huge change and such a restricted diet. My ex-butcher

Uncle had no clue what to eat when beef was taken from his diet. He

called himself a vegetarian.

> Sent via BlackBerry from T-Mobile

>

 

Donna, you know, this just happened to me! I recently went to the

doctor, had a bunch of tests done and my cholesterol was a little too

high (genetics). He said I should eat chicken and fish. I said I

would not, that I had been eating vegetarian food for the last 25

years. Beef, chicken and fish all have 70 mg cholesterol per 100

grams (it is not a secret, it is in any nutritional table) all the

same! I guess flesh is flesh. So eating a piece of chicken instead

of an equal size piece of beef will no do much for your cholesterol

level, so why are they advising this? Of course, organ meats,

shrimp/crab/ lobster and eggs are much worse (....but he did not say

anything about that). The really sad part of this is that apparently

MDs know very little about nutrition, but they are THE DOCTOR so

people believe that they do, and they take their bad advice. This way

the medical establishment can sell you statin drugs to lower your

cholesterol. Advising people to take on a vegan or low fat vegetarian

diet will not make profits for the medical/pharmaceuti cal industry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Sharon, this is very interesting about the weight. I am pretty light

already, so it would not be healthy for me to lose any weight. On

the other hand, I was vegan for 3 years and it was the first time in

my life my cholesterol was low. I had a hard time keeping my weight

though (got too skinny), and I went back to ovo lacto. Maybe my

solution is to go vegan but to eat more nuts. Nuts have a lot of fat

(good fat) and add a lot of calories, with a great assortment of many

minerals that our body needs.

By the way, there are (at least) two vegan foods that will increase

your cholesterol, and that is palm oil and coconut. Not bad in

moderate quantities, but if you have that problem you might want to

avoid those too.

Roseta (los angeles)

 

, Sharon Zakhour

<sharon.zakhour wrote:

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> Yes, this is the result of years of misinformation that has been out

> there. The truth is that chicken and fish have just as much

cholesterol

> as beef. To see your cholesterol significantly drop, give up all

animal

> products and lose weight. :-)

>

> (Some people find that even when they go vegan their cholesterol

doesn't

> drop significantly. This is because fat tissue can release stored up

> cholesterol. Once the weight is released, cholesterol levels will come

> down further.)

>

> Sharon

>

> rosetalleo wrote:

> > ...Beef, chicken and fish all have 70 mg cholesterol per 100

> > grams (it is not a secret, it is in any nutritional table) all the

> > same! I guess flesh is flesh....

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Great news on the new MDs! My (new) doctor is an older fellow. He

also studied at UCLA. Other than his relative ignorance about

nutrition he seems knowledgeable about medicine. It is just sad to

see this nutritional misinformation being propagated (he has a lot of

patients).

 

 

, Donnalilacflower

<thelilacflower wrote:

>

> Believe it or not things are changing. My niece and her husband are

resident docs at UCLA. She is vegetarian and after going through

medical college her husband is 90% vegetarian, they saw plenty of

nightmares due to a non-vegetarian diets loaded with fried foods and

high amounts of dairy and eggs. They have many resident docs working

with them and they are now vegetarians too, a few are in the group to

use our recipes since they have very little time to post and they know

our recipes are TNT good ones.

[Guest guest]

Ah, you're one of those, are you? :-) Yes, vegans who tend to get too

skinny have the luxury of eating more of those yummy nuts and plenty of

avocado. I have to watch those things like a hawk, myself. :-) (And I

never eat palm or coconut oils.)

 

I haven't had my cholesterol checked in ages and I'm very curious about

it. Before I started following a vegan diet (I don't call myself a full

vegan), my cholesterol was 280. After 3 months of no animal products,

it was 199. Three months after that it was 191. I'd like to see it get

even lower, but I do have about 40 lbs to lose. I'm facing surgery this

summer, so I'm sure I will be finding out what my numbers are soon

enough. :-)

 

For those of you who are math challenged, by eating a vegan diet I

lowered my cholesterol 32% in 6 months. That sure shows how pathetic

those cereal adds are that tell you after eating their cereal every day

for 6 weeks it will lower your cholesterol a whopping 4%. LOL

 

Sharon

 

rosetalleo wrote:

> Sharon, this is very interesting about the weight.