QOTW

[Guest guest]

Is it true that eating meat after a prolonged period of abstinence

will make

you physically ill? I had heard this but after hearing that many of

you

do....just wondered.

 

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Hi Jeannette -

 

Unfortunately (or fortunately for the animals), yes, returning to

meat after a long abstinence does make you ill. I found this out the

hard way when I ate a french onion soup made with beef broth. (I

asked and everything - guess the waiter lied).

 

It usually only happens w/ red meat and only if you eat a fair amount

of it. If there's one beef crumble on your slice of pizza you're

probably OK.

 

The reason is that the specific enzymes your body needs to process

meat aren't as readily available once you've been veggie for a long

time. So, when you force feed red meat, it doesn't have any way to

get processed. So, it just tries to " leave " your body as quickly as

possible. (was that a delicate enough way of saying it? tee hee)

 

Blessings,

K

[Guest guest]

Hi guys,

i'm still here coz i couldn't bring myself to leave. I love reading

everyone's emails too much! I'll have to find something else to stop doing

instead, to give me more time!

As a veggie, the hardest thing to give up was probably chicken legs or

steak. Things i didn't eat that regularly but really enjoyed. The easiest

was probably seafood as i only ate prawns anyway, and was never that keen,

or pork. I hated getting those chops that still had hair on! eugh!

As a vegan the hardest is definitely pizza! I have to admit that i lapsed

and ate some yesterday but i know i have the will power not to do it again.

the easiest was eggs, which i'm not very fond of anyway, and cream, a bit

fatty anyway.

 

Laura

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[Guest guest]

LOL! Yeah that is one way of saying it.

 

~ PT ~

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, " Jigilou Snicklefitz " <

jigilou> wrote:

So, when you force feed red meat, it doesn't have any way to

> get processed. So, it just tries to " leave " your body as quickly

as

> possible. (was that a delicate enough way of saying it? tee hee)

>

> Blessings,

> K

[Guest guest]

YES! lol, but I am sure it depends on the individual. Actually

*beef* always made me ill.........I would bloat up like I was 8 months

pregnant! No kidding, no exageration!

 

I just bloated up the other day......and was confused. But then

realized that I had eaten something that happened to have dairy in

it! [never had that with dairy before......]

 

Pork doesn't make me ill, but leaves me feeling greasy

inside.....kinda hard to explain. But I eat only minute amounts

mixed into the food.

 

I spoke to one person a few years ago, who told me she was raised

veg........*never* had any meat until she was in her 20's, and sat

down to a steak! Which left her ill for days!

 

~pixx

 

On 23 Apr 2003 at 6:03, jeanette thompson wrote:

> Is it true that eating meat after

> a prolonged period of abstinence will make you physically ill? I had

> heard this but after hearing that many of you do....just wonder

>

[Guest guest]

HI Ron:

 

You can always do nacho's using vegetarian refried beans. Or you can make a

bean dip and have tortilla chips on the side.

 

Gayle

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello melissa,

And most likely the football, I believe I neglected to add that part. Autumn is

new, and so is the football turf, ahhhh, can you smell it? That reminds me,

putting the protesting of my wife aside, I have invited three friends to my home

for next week's football game. I will just give her the credit card and ask her

to please go shopping for something nice for herself. (She doesn't hold onto the

card as she says, " I don't trust myself " ) I think this will fly. Any ideas for

" manly " vegetatarian snacks? :laughing very loudly: I will do the veggie tray

with dip, (very manly indeed LOL) but after that I am at a loss for ideas.

Ron

 

melissa_hopp <hoppmel wrote:

Gotta think on this one...everytime a holiday rolls around I think it

is my favorite..i will say, my hubby is with you Ron he loves

halloween, not cuz of cider though, he loves the fun and costumes and

all that!!

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

How about taco dip. Here's my recipe:

 

1 can refried beans (2 if you're feeding a lot of hungry people)

2 avocados

garlic

jalapeno juice (from the pickled jalapeno jar)

salt

tofutti " better than sour cream "

taco seasoning

salsa (I like Herdez best)

lettuce

tomatoes, chopped

black olives, sliced

more pickled jalapenos

onion, if you're into that kind of thing

 

Spread the beans in the bottom of a glass baking pan. In a bowl, mash

avocados, add 1 tsp garlic or 1/2 tsp garlic powder, some jalapeno juice

(and some chopped too, if you like), and salt to taste. Set aside. Mix

better than sour cream (1 pkg) with 1/2 pkg taco seasoning and stir well.

Spread over beans. Add salsa over that, then chopped lettuce, tomatoes,

olives and sliced jalapenos.

Sprinkle with onion, if you like them (yuck!)

Top with globs of the avocado mixture. Serve with heavy-duty tortilla chips.

 

I've never had a man turn his nose up at this!

 

Veronica

 

At 11:37 AM 9/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello melissa,

>And most likely the football, I believe I neglected to add that part.

>Autumn is new, and so is the football turf, ahhhh, can you smell it? That

>reminds me, putting the protesting of my wife aside, I have invited three

>friends to my home for next week's football game. I will just give her the

>credit card and ask her to please go shopping for something nice for

>herself. (She doesn't hold onto the card as she says, " I don't trust

>myself " ) I think this will fly. Any ideas for " manly " vegetatarian snacks?

>:laughing very loudly: I will do the veggie tray with dip, (very manly

>indeed LOL) but after that I am at a loss for ideas.

>Ron

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Veronica,

I don't think I have ever emailed this much in my life, LOL, it is a lot of fun.

I should be sleeping after working early hours, but the combination of the

morning's coffee and email is quite a stimulant.

I will try this. I have tasted tofu in the past, in cubes in a soup and I did

not find it appealing. Tofu in place of sour cream sounds interesting. Where can

this product be obtained? I am sure it is a high protein product, or am I wrong?

I do want to increase my intake of beans as they are a great source of protein.

On a side not we need to be careful with re-fried beans as they may contain

animal products. We need to make sure we read the label. I also have a passion

for olives, any type.

If I don't mention to the guys that the snacks are meat free I don't think they

will even take notice, or I am hoping.

I have some shopping to do!

thank you ever so kindly,

Ron

 

Diamond Dog <diamonddog wrote:

How about taco dip. Here's my recipe:

 

1 can refried beans (2 if you're feeding a lot of hungry people)

2 avocados

garlic

jalapeno juice (from the pickled jalapeno jar)

salt

tofutti " better than sour cream "

taco seasoning

salsa (I like Herdez best)

lettuce

tomatoes, chopped

black olives, sliced

more pickled jalapenos

onion, if you're into that kind of thing

 

Spread the beans in the bottom of a glass baking pan. In a bowl, mash

avocados, add 1 tsp garlic or 1/2 tsp garlic powder, some jalapeno juice

(and some chopped too, if you like), and salt to taste. Set aside. Mix

better than sour cream (1 pkg) with 1/2 pkg taco seasoning and stir well.

Spread over beans. Add salsa over that, then chopped lettuce, tomatoes,

olives and sliced jalapenos.

Sprinkle with onion, if you like them (yuck!)

Top with globs of the avocado mixture. Serve with heavy-duty tortilla chips.

 

I've never had a man turn his nose up at this!

 

Veronica

 

At 11:37 AM 9/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello melissa,

>And most likely the football, I believe I neglected to add that part.

>Autumn is new, and so is the football turf, ahhhh, can you smell it? That

>reminds me, putting the protesting of my wife aside, I have invited three

>friends to my home for next week's football game. I will just give her the

>credit card and ask her to please go shopping for something nice for

>herself. (She doesn't hold onto the card as she says, " I don't trust

>myself " ) I think this will fly. Any ideas for " manly " vegetatarian snacks?

>:laughing very loudly: I will do the veggie tray with dip, (very manly

>indeed LOL) but after that I am at a loss for ideas.

>Ron

 

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[Guest guest]

At 12:10 PM 9/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello Veronica,

>I don't think I have ever emailed this much in my life, LOL, it is a lot

>of fun. I should be sleeping after working early hours, but the

>combination of the morning's coffee and email is quite a stimulant.

 

I fall prey to that myself. Right now, I am supposed to be working on an

article for a dog column in a magazine I write for, but I'm goofing off.

 

>I will try this. I have tasted tofu in the past, in cubes in a soup and I

>did not find it appealing.

 

Bleah. Squares are not a food shape! If it's not made right, tofu is awful.

If it's made properly, it's heavenly. That's why it's so popular in so many

cultures. It just takes practice. My first experience with tofu was awful

too! Plain cubes in spaghetti at a restaurant. Horrible.

 

One easy, tasty way to make it is in tofu tacos. Instead of meat, mix a can

of refried beans with crumbled firm (not silken!) tofu and a packet of taco

seasoning. I know it's similar to the taco dip I posted, but it's a good

beginner's recipe. Also, seitan is a lot easier to cook, so is tempeh, and

both are high in protein.

 

> Tofu in place of sour cream sounds interesting. Where can this product

> be obtained?

 

Usually at natural foods stores. If you can't get it, just mix the taco

seasoning with the beans and skip the sour cream layer. It's really tasty!

 

> I am sure it is a high protein product, or am I wrong?

 

Not sure. I'm out at the moment.

 

>I do want to increase my intake of beans as they are a great source of

>protein.

 

Lentils are a fabulous source, as is tempeh (same amt of protein as

chicken), and mung beans (same protein content as beef).

 

> On a side not we need to be careful with re-fried beans as they may

> contain animal products.

 

Good point! Some brands declare " Vegetarian " on the label. Often the fat

free are a good bet too.

 

> We need to make sure we read the label. I also have a passion for

> olives, any type.

>If I don't mention to the guys that the snacks are meat free I don't think

>they will even take notice, or I am hoping.

 

I wouldn't be surprised. Meat isn't needed for a tasty, hearty meal.

I've done a lot of cooking for carnivores and they're always impressed with

the food and scarf down plenty!

 

Veronica

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Veronica,

Veronica meaning True Image. ( sorry I can't help it, I studied the meanings of

names in high school and my first few years of college as a hobby) Another

lovely name it is.

It is good to hear that you have had good results with tofu. I will now rethink

my tofu and try it again.

You have given me so many other options, the tempeh etc. I am very glad that I

am communicating in this forum and now my hobby has been given a breath of life.

I will try these items, most definitely. Now, where is that shopping list, I

need to make many additions.

Ron

 

Diamond Dog <diamonddog wrote:

At 12:10 PM 9/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello Veronica,

>I don't think I have ever emailed this much in my life, LOL, it is a lot

>of fun. I should be sleeping after working early hours, but the

>combination of the morning's coffee and email is quite a stimulant.

 

I fall prey to that myself. Right now, I am supposed to be working on an

article for a dog column in a magazine I write for, but I'm goofing off.

 

>I will try this. I have tasted tofu in the past, in cubes in a soup and I

>did not find it appealing.

 

Bleah. Squares are not a food shape! If it's not made right, tofu is awful.

If it's made properly, it's heavenly. That's why it's so popular in so many

cultures. It just takes practice. My first experience with tofu was awful

too! Plain cubes in spaghetti at a restaurant. Horrible.

 

One easy, tasty way to make it is in tofu tacos. Instead of meat, mix a can

of refried beans with crumbled firm (not silken!) tofu and a packet of taco

seasoning. I know it's similar to the taco dip I posted, but it's a good

beginner's recipe. Also, seitan is a lot easier to cook, so is tempeh, and

both are high in protein.

 

> Tofu in place of sour cream sounds interesting. Where can this product

> be obtained?

 

Usually at natural foods stores. If you can't get it, just mix the taco

seasoning with the beans and skip the sour cream layer. It's really tasty!

 

> I am sure it is a high protein product, or am I wrong?

 

Not sure. I'm out at the moment.

 

>I do want to increase my intake of beans as they are a great source of

>protein.

 

Lentils are a fabulous source, as is tempeh (same amt of protein as

chicken), and mung beans (same protein content as beef).

 

> On a side not we need to be careful with re-fried beans as they may

> contain animal products.

 

Good point! Some brands declare " Vegetarian " on the label. Often the fat

free are a good bet too.

 

> We need to make sure we read the label. I also have a passion for

> olives, any type.

>If I don't mention to the guys that the snacks are meat free I don't think

>they will even take notice, or I am hoping.

 

I wouldn't be surprised. Meat isn't needed for a tasty, hearty meal.

I've done a lot of cooking for carnivores and they're always impressed with

the food and scarf down plenty!

 

Veronica

 

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www.lulu.com/yummyfordogs

All profits from my royalties will be donated to animal rescue and advocacy

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$1 each! Every cent goes to rescue small animals! Made to order...just

email us at ratgirl

 

 

[Guest guest]

At 01:34 PM 9/18/2005 -0700, you wrote:

>Hello Veronica,

>Veronica meaning True Image. ( sorry I can't help it, I studied the

>meanings of names in high school and my first few years of college as a

>hobby) Another lovely name it is.

 

Thanks! It works for me.

 

>It is good to hear that you have had good results with tofu. I will now

>rethink my tofu and try it again.

 

Yes, please do. It is really horrible when not cooked right. I don't blame

anyone for being grossed out at poorly prepared tofu!

 

Another easy tofu tip:

 

Take some firm or extra firm non-silken tofu, slice it into 1/2 or 1/4 "

slices, and dredge it in your favorite bbq sauce (many commercial ones are

vegan. I know for a fact that KC Masterpiece is unless it explicitly says

otherwise. I talked to them when I was working at a veg restaurant.). Slap

it on a cookie sheet (a little spray of oil makes it easier to get off

later) and bake at 375 till the sauce begins to caramelize. flip the tofu,

douse in more sauce and bake until done...when the sauce is nicely baked

on. Put a few slices on a bun, top with your favorite coleslaw (vinegar

based or Naynaise) and a little more sauce and eat. Messy, yes, but so easy

and so good.

 

>You have given me so many other options, the tempeh etc.

 

Ooh! I looooooove tempeh. An easy recipe for tempeh:

slice the tempeh in half to make it half as thin (like cut it the long

way), then cut into thirds the other way (horizontally). Sprinkle liberally

with tamari and bake at 375 about 10 minutes, flip, add more tamari on the

new side, then bake till crisp on the edges. Use as you would bacon, only

more heavily since it's actually *good* for you! I like to make a blt

(tlt?) out of it. At the restaurant we would serve these blt's with

spicy mustard and cilantro nayonaise. MMMM!

 

> I am very glad that I am communicating in this forum and now my hobby

> has been given a breath of life. I will try these items, most definitely.

> Now, where is that shopping list, I need to make many additions.

 

Have fun!

 

Veronica

 

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[Guest guest]

Hello Gayle (merry and lively, and another interesting spelling, very lovely)

I am going to do the nachos as well.

Thank you,

Ron

 

glpveg4life wrote:

HI Ron:

 

You can always do nacho's using vegetarian refried beans. Or you can make a

bean dip and have tortilla chips on the side.

 

Gayle

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello Veronica,

This sounds like soemthing I could whip up and then take to work and eat later.

Thank you,

Ron

 

 

 

 

Another easy tofu tip:

 

Take some firm or extra firm non-silken tofu, slice it into 1/2 or 1/4 "

slices, and dredge it in your favorite bbq sauce (many commercial ones are

vegan. I know for a fact that KC Masterpiece is unless it explicitly says

otherwise. I talked to them when I was working at a veg restaurant.). Slap

it on a cookie sheet (a little spray of oil makes it easier to get off

later) and bake at 375 till the sauce begins to caramelize. flip the tofu,

douse in more sauce and bake until done...when the sauce is nicely baked

on. Put a few slices on a bun, top with your favorite coleslaw (vinegar

based or Naynaise) and a little more sauce and eat. Messy, yes, but so easy

and so good.

 

 

Veronica

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Ron:

 

I hope you enjoy all your snacks.

 

I make a good vegetarian chile using beans and no crumbles.

 

Gayle

 

 

Ron Hess <ronhess0760

 

Tue, 20 Sep 2005 17:27:13 -0700 (PDT)

Re: qotw

 

 

Hello Gayle (merry and lively, and another interesting spelling, very lovely)

I am going to do the nachos as well.

Thank you,

Ron

 

glpveg4life wrote:

HI Ron:

 

You can always do nacho's using vegetarian refried beans. Or you can make a

bean dip and have tortilla chips on the side.

 

Gayle

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

First off thank you for this question. As I was pulling my favorite

(or most used) cookbooks off the shelf I noticed " The Book of Grilling

and Barbecuing " that I had forgotten I had. There is a section on

vegetables and vegetarian dishes for gilling. Wonderful.

 

Better Homes and Gardens (cooking for today) - Vegetarian Recipes

 

(This book is laid out perfectly. It has the recipe on one page and

the picture of the dish on the other page. So you have the book flat

open and can see the recipe and the picture. Well done. The book is

a nice, handy size and the recipes are fairly simple and mostly one

dish type of things.)

 

The Ultimate Vegetarian Cookbook (over 200 mouthwatering recipes shown

step-by-step in 800 photographs)

 

(The description is accurate. Pictures of the dishes and pictures of

the processes in making them. Some recipes are a bit more complicated

than the above cookbook.)

 

Classic Vegetarian - (appetizing dishes for every occasion)

 

(This cookbook has the open face style with a picture of the dish on

one side and the recipe and pictures of the recipe process on the

other.)

 

The Book of Mexican Foods

 

(Not a veggie cookbook but has wonderful traditional style recipes

that you can play with and convert to your own needs. Pictures,

pictures of the process of making the recipes on the same page.)

 

Those are my most used and favorite cookbooks. Strangely enough,

although I have tons of cookbooks, anytime I have something in mind

that I want to make I check the recipes section at the group or search

for it online. *lol*

[Guest guest]

--- ~ PT ~ <patchouli_troll wrote:

> QOTW:

> What new veggie products have you tried and

> liked or disliked?Ê[meat analogs, convenience foods,

> or new product line]

>

> What are your favorite veggie products?

 

something new i liked: on sunday, i bought a bag of

ready-made whole wheat pizza dough for 79 cents at

trader joes.....very convenient. i wish i had bought

a few more packages....trader joes is more than an

hour from my house.

 

something new i didn't like all that much: morning

star farms chick'n strips. i think it's the

seasonings that threw me more than anything. i made a

greek-styled wrap with them....chick'n strips, feta

cheese, balsamic vinegarette, spinach, and tomato in a

spinach wrap....it was ok. the hubby did a wrap with

the strips, shredded carrot, spinach and hoisin sauce.

i tried to make a chick'n salad with the

leftovers...chopped up the strips, added chopped

celery, lemon pepper, and canola mayo....and that

didn't do anything for me either. lol. oh well. i

wonder what the beef flavored ones are like.

 

i love amy's enchiladas. the cheese are my favorite,

but the black bean are good as well and vegan too. i

also like celentano's cheese raviolis.

 

susie

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mail - PC Magazine Editors' Choice 2005

 

[Guest guest]

> 1. What is your favorite Italian food to either cook or order

> when dining out?

 

~ Gold medal would have to go to lasagna; any and all kinds

[veg of course].

~ Silver medal goes to alfredo sauce on pasta, with sauted

vegetables or just plain, either way is hard to resist.

~ Bronze medal goes to strombolis and calzones. They are so

easy to make with frozen bread dough and i can customized

them to suit the different tastes of each person that is here for

dinner.

 

 

 

> 2. What is your favorite Winter Olympic event to watch?

 

~ Figure Skating! The pairs were awesome to watch last night.

Don't forget to watch the men's short program tonight.

Last night we had spaghetti with sauted mushrooms and red wine.

i have no idea what i am making for dinner tonight but i am

thinking of fixing something Chinese-inspired in honor of the

amazing preformance last night.

 

 

> 3. This is 'Random Acts of Kindness Week'. Have you thought

> of ways to participate in this event?

 

~ i am always trying to think of ways, but especially this week.

i was pretty excited when i saw random acts got its own week

on my 2006 calendar. Letting a stressed person in line at the

store go infront of me, buying a coffee anonymously for the

car behind me at the drive-thru, paying for a car wash & wax,

baking my neighbors some sweet breads or cookies, etc...

Those are just some ideas i have but i am looking for more.

 

 

> Have you ever benefited from

> a random act of kindness from a complete stranger?

 

 

~ Oh yeah. They are so nice and can turn a bad day into a

good day real fast. But more than that, they make me want

to do for others... they inspire.

 

 

> 4. Do you celebrate St. Valentine's Day in any special manner?

> [cards, dinner out or in, gifts, flowers, romance?]

 

 

~ Heart-shaped boxes filled with candy for the kids, but that is it.

To me Valentine's Day is just a great excuse to buy chocolate.

i am not a fan of cut flowers unless they are from my own rose

bushes.

 

 

~ pt ~

 

May healing be near to our hurt!

~ Eoghan Ruadh Mac an Bhaird,

in Osborn Bergin, Irish Bardic Poetry

[Guest guest]

Our Question of the Week -

 

Where are you from(be as vague or specific as you choose)? Florida

 

What helped you consider being a vegetarian? A year and a half ago I heard a

story on the news about cloned meat. The report said it would be on the grocery

store shelves soon and wouldn't necesarily be marked as such. That freaked me

out and lead me to research vegetarianism. The rest is history.

 

What do you enjoy about being a vegetarian?  The foods I ate before becoming

vegetarian were so boring and predictable. These days I actually enjoy cooking

and trying new foods from different cultures.

 

What tips do you suggest to new vegetarians? This is a lifestyle change and may

take a while for you and your body to adjust. No need to do this overnight

unless you just want to. Most importantly, you may slip up ... if you do, don't

beat yourself up, just make better food choices the next time.

 

 

namaste,

Dena