Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Mr Green's supporters shouted "Hallelujah!" at the case's outcomeA Christian campaigner has been cleared of using threatening words and behaviour when handing out leaflets at a gay and lesbian event in Cardiff. Stephen Green, 55, said he may take legal action after a court case against him was dropped for lack of evidence. Mr Green, from Carmarthen, is the national director of the evangelical lobby group Christian Voice. South Wales Police have insisted they were right to arrest Mr Green. Supporters of Mr Green shouted "Hallelujah!" and clapped at Cardiff Magistrates Court as a legal adviser announced the Crown Prosecution Service's decision not to proceed with the case. It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights Stephen Green, Christian Voice He was arrested when he refused to stop handing out leaflets at the entrance to Cardiff's Mardi Gras gay and lesbian festival in Bute Park earlier this month, which was attended by around 40,000 people. The leaflets quoted the Bible and that told gays: "Turn from your sins and you will be saved." He was held in a police station for four hours and was charged with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress after he refused to accept a caution from the force's Minorities Support Unit. 'Blasphemous' Mr Green denied the charge, claiming his freedom of speech was being infringed. After the case, he described his arrest as "a big wake-up call to evangelists". The father-of-one said his treatment on the day of the festival was "disgraceful" and promised he would return to the next festival with even more supporters. He said: "The police should concentrate on nicking villains instead of people like me going about my lawful business. "It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights. "I'm quite pleased the CPS had the good sense to drop this case at an early stage. The police should never have arrested me in the first place, let alone charged me." Mr Green had previously protested at the city's Wales Millennium Centre outside performances of Jerry Springer: The Opera, claiming it was blasphemous. 'Vulnerable' Mr Green's solicitor, Mark Williams, said he regarded his client's arrest at the Mardi Gras as "an abuse of police powers" and said they would be taking action in the civil courts. South Wales Police force has defended its handling of the case, saying the CPS decison not to go ahead with the presecution of Mr Green due to insufficient evidence did not "challenge the legality" of his arrest. It added that the force had a "proven record" of supporting the freedom of expression in facilitating marches and demonstrations over many years. Deputy Chief Constable David Francis said: "Equally, we are very proud of our stand on supporting and protecting the most vulnerable in our communities, especially those who are the victims of prejudice and discrimination, harassment and even hatred." Peter H Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Hi Peter Hard to make any judgements when they only quote one tiny bit from the leaflets... however, having been to Pagan events (and the occasional metal gig) where evangelist Christians stand outside handing out leaflets, they often do a lot more than just hand out leaflets - they can be abusive, and threatening... I've often wondered why the police don't arrest some of the ones I've come across... of course, I don't have any knowledge of this particular case beyond what is said in this article.... BB Peter - peter VV Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:54 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Mr Green's supporters shouted "Hallelujah!" at the case's outcomeA Christian campaigner has been cleared of using threatening words and behaviour when handing out leaflets at a gay and lesbian event in Cardiff. Stephen Green, 55, said he may take legal action after a court case against him was dropped for lack of evidence. Mr Green, from Carmarthen, is the national director of the evangelical lobby group Christian Voice. South Wales Police have insisted they were right to arrest Mr Green. Supporters of Mr Green shouted "Hallelujah!" and clapped at Cardiff Magistrates Court as a legal adviser announced the Crown Prosecution Service's decision not to proceed with the case. It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights Stephen Green, Christian Voice He was arrested when he refused to stop handing out leaflets at the entrance to Cardiff's Mardi Gras gay and lesbian festival in Bute Park earlier this month, which was attended by around 40,000 people. The leaflets quoted the Bible and that told gays: "Turn from your sins and you will be saved." He was held in a police station for four hours and was charged with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress after he refused to accept a caution from the force's Minorities Support Unit. 'Blasphemous' Mr Green denied the charge, claiming his freedom of speech was being infringed. After the case, he described his arrest as "a big wake-up call to evangelists". The father-of-one said his treatment on the day of the festival was "disgraceful" and promised he would return to the next festival with even more supporters. He said: "The police should concentrate on nicking villains instead of people like me going about my lawful business. "It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights. "I'm quite pleased the CPS had the good sense to drop this case at an early stage. The police should never have arrested me in the first place, let alone charged me." Mr Green had previously protested at the city's Wales Millennium Centre outside performances of Jerry Springer: The Opera, claiming it was blasphemous. 'Vulnerable' Mr Green's solicitor, Mark Williams, said he regarded his client's arrest at the Mardi Gras as "an abuse of police powers" and said they would be taking action in the civil courts. South Wales Police force has defended its handling of the case, saying the CPS decison not to go ahead with the presecution of Mr Green due to insufficient evidence did not "challenge the legality" of his arrest. It added that the force had a "proven record" of supporting the freedom of expression in facilitating marches and demonstrations over many years. Deputy Chief Constable David Francis said: "Equally, we are very proud of our stand on supporting and protecting the most vulnerable in our communities, especially those who are the victims of prejudice and discrimination, harassment and even hatred." Peter H Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2006 Report Share Posted September 28, 2006 Too true Peter - the Dream Theater concert and the Rush concert spring to my mind. That Christian chap was shouting through a megaphone at us. BBJo - Peter Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:42 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Hi Peter Hard to make any judgements when they only quote one tiny bit from the leaflets... however, having been to Pagan events (and the occasional metal gig) where evangelist Christians stand outside handing out leaflets, they often do a lot more than just hand out leaflets - they can be abusive, and threatening... I've often wondered why the police don't arrest some of the ones I've come across... of course, I don't have any knowledge of this particular case beyond what is said in this article.... BB Peter - peter VV Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:54 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Mr Green's supporters shouted "Hallelujah!" at the case's outcomeA Christian campaigner has been cleared of using threatening words and behaviour when handing out leaflets at a gay and lesbian event in Cardiff. Stephen Green, 55, said he may take legal action after a court case against him was dropped for lack of evidence. Mr Green, from Carmarthen, is the national director of the evangelical lobby group Christian Voice. South Wales Police have insisted they were right to arrest Mr Green. Supporters of Mr Green shouted "Hallelujah!" and clapped at Cardiff Magistrates Court as a legal adviser announced the Crown Prosecution Service's decision not to proceed with the case. It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights Stephen Green, Christian Voice He was arrested when he refused to stop handing out leaflets at the entrance to Cardiff's Mardi Gras gay and lesbian festival in Bute Park earlier this month, which was attended by around 40,000 people. The leaflets quoted the Bible and that told gays: "Turn from your sins and you will be saved." He was held in a police station for four hours and was charged with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress after he refused to accept a caution from the force's Minorities Support Unit. 'Blasphemous' Mr Green denied the charge, claiming his freedom of speech was being infringed. After the case, he described his arrest as "a big wake-up call to evangelists". The father-of-one said his treatment on the day of the festival was "disgraceful" and promised he would return to the next festival with even more supporters. He said: "The police should concentrate on nicking villains instead of people like me going about my lawful business. "It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights. "I'm quite pleased the CPS had the good sense to drop this case at an early stage. The police should never have arrested me in the first place, let alone charged me." Mr Green had previously protested at the city's Wales Millennium Centre outside performances of Jerry Springer: The Opera, claiming it was blasphemous. 'Vulnerable' Mr Green's solicitor, Mark Williams, said he regarded his client's arrest at the Mardi Gras as "an abuse of police powers" and said they would be taking action in the civil courts. South Wales Police force has defended its handling of the case, saying the CPS decison not to go ahead with the presecution of Mr Green due to insufficient evidence did not "challenge the legality" of his arrest. It added that the force had a "proven record" of supporting the freedom of expression in facilitating marches and demonstrations over many years. Deputy Chief Constable David Francis said: "Equally, we are very proud of our stand on supporting and protecting the most vulnerable in our communities, especially those who are the victims of prejudice and discrimination, harassment and even hatred." Peter H Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 I`ve no objections to people handing out leaflets ( after all you dont have to take them ), but if they start trying to ram their religious ( or political ) dogma down my throat, preach/ become judgemental and abusive or even physical then I would object. I would imagine that most people at the mardi gras would have ignored him as being a crackpot anyway? The Valley Vegan.............. Peter <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter Hard to make any judgements when they only quote one tiny bit from the leaflets... however, having been to Pagan events (and the occasional metal gig) where evangelist Christians stand outside handing out leaflets, they often do a lot more than just hand out leaflets - they can be abusive, and threatening... I've often wondered why the police don't arrest some of the ones I've come across... of course, I don't have any knowledge of this particular case beyond what is said in this article.... BB Peter - peter VV Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:54 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Mr Green's supporters shouted "Hallelujah!" at the case's outcomeA Christian campaigner has been cleared of using threatening words and behaviour when handing out leaflets at a gay and lesbian event in Cardiff. Stephen Green, 55, said he may take legal action after a court case against him was dropped for lack of evidence. Mr Green, from Carmarthen, is the national director of the evangelical lobby group Christian Voice. South Wales Police have insisted they were right to arrest Mr Green. Supporters of Mr Green shouted "Hallelujah!" and clapped at Cardiff Magistrates Court as a legal adviser announced the Crown Prosecution Service's decision not to proceed with the case. It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights Stephen Green, Christian Voice He was arrested when he refused to stop handing out leaflets at the entrance to Cardiff's Mardi Gras gay and lesbian festival in Bute Park earlier this month, which was attended by around 40,000 people. The leaflets quoted the Bible and that told gays: "Turn from your sins and you will be saved." He was held in a police station for four hours and was charged with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress after he refused to accept a caution from the force's Minorities Support Unit. 'Blasphemous' Mr Green denied the charge, claiming his freedom of speech was being infringed. After the case, he described his arrest as "a big wake-up call to evangelists". The father-of-one said his treatment on the day of the festival was "disgraceful" and promised he would return to the next festival with even more supporters. He said: "The police should concentrate on nicking villains instead of people like me going about my lawful business. "It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights. "I'm quite pleased the CPS had the good sense to drop this case at an early stage. The police should never have arrested me in the first place, let alone charged me." Mr Green had previously protested at the city's Wales Millennium Centre outside performances of Jerry Springer: The Opera, claiming it was blasphemous. 'Vulnerable' Mr Green's solicitor, Mark Williams, said he regarded his client's arrest at the Mardi Gras as "an abuse of police powers" and said they would be taking action in the civil courts. South Wales Police force has defended its handling of the case, saying the CPS decison not to go ahead with the presecution of Mr Green due to insufficient evidence did not "challenge the legality" of his arrest. It added that the force had a "proven record" of supporting the freedom of expression in facilitating marches and demonstrations over many years. Deputy Chief Constable David Francis said: "Equally, we are very proud of our stand on supporting and protecting the most vulnerable in our communities, especially those who are the victims of prejudice and discrimination, harassment and even hatred." Peter H Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. Peter H Try the all-new Mail . "The New Version is radically easier to use" – The Wall Street Journal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 29, 2006 Report Share Posted September 29, 2006 How on earth did he think that he was living his "christian" values, and what type of ambassador did he think he was being for his religion? What was so un "christian" about Rush? 2112? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Too true Peter - the Dream Theater concert and the Rush concert spring to my mind. That Christian chap was shouting through a megaphone at us. BBJo ----- Original Message ----- Peter Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:42 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Hi Peter Hard to make any judgements when they only quote one tiny bit from the leaflets... however, having been to Pagan events (and the occasional metal gig) where evangelist Christians stand outside handing out leaflets, they often do a lot more than just hand out leaflets - they can be abusive, and threatening... I've often wondered why the police don't arrest some of the ones I've come across... of course, I don't have any knowledge of this particular case beyond what is said in this article.... BB Peter - peter VV Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:54 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Mr Green's supporters shouted "Hallelujah!" at the case's outcomeA Christian campaigner has been cleared of using threatening words and behaviour when handing out leaflets at a gay and lesbian event in Cardiff. Stephen Green, 55, said he may take legal action after a court case against him was dropped for lack of evidence. Mr Green, from Carmarthen, is the national director of the evangelical lobby group Christian Voice. South Wales Police have insisted they were right to arrest Mr Green. Supporters of Mr Green shouted "Hallelujah!" and clapped at Cardiff Magistrates Court as a legal adviser announced the Crown Prosecution Service's decision not to proceed with the case. It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights Stephen Green, Christian Voice He was arrested when he refused to stop handing out leaflets at the entrance to Cardiff's Mardi Gras gay and lesbian festival in Bute Park earlier this month, which was attended by around 40,000 people. The leaflets quoted the Bible and that told gays: "Turn from your sins and you will be saved." He was held in a police station for four hours and was charged with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress after he refused to accept a caution from the force's Minorities Support Unit. 'Blasphemous' Mr Green denied the charge, claiming his freedom of speech was being infringed. After the case, he described his arrest as "a big wake-up call to evangelists". The father-of-one said his treatment on the day of the festival was "disgraceful" and promised he would return to the next festival with even more supporters. He said: "The police should concentrate on nicking villains instead of people like me going about my lawful business. "It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights. "I'm quite pleased the CPS had the good sense to drop this case at an early stage. The police should never have arrested me in the first place, let alone charged me." Mr Green had previously protested at the city's Wales Millennium Centre outside performances of Jerry Springer: The Opera, claiming it was blasphemous. 'Vulnerable' Mr Green's solicitor, Mark Williams, said he regarded his client's arrest at the Mardi Gras as "an abuse of police powers" and said they would be taking action in the civil courts. South Wales Police force has defended its handling of the case, saying the CPS decison not to go ahead with the presecution of Mr Green due to insufficient evidence did not "challenge the legality" of his arrest. It added that the force had a "proven record" of supporting the freedom of expression in facilitating marches and demonstrations over many years. Deputy Chief Constable David Francis said: "Equally, we are very proud of our stand on supporting and protecting the most vulnerable in our communities, especially those who are the victims of prejudice and discrimination, harassment and even hatred." Peter H Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. Peter H All New Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2006 Report Share Posted October 1, 2006 Precisely. I think there are too many nutcases around. Jo - peter VV Friday, September 29, 2006 9:22 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped How on earth did he think that he was living his "christian" values, and what type of ambassador did he think he was being for his religion? What was so un "christian" about Rush? 2112? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Too true Peter - the Dream Theater concert and the Rush concert spring to my mind. That Christian chap was shouting through a megaphone at us. BBJo - Peter Thursday, September 28, 2006 9:42 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Hi Peter Hard to make any judgements when they only quote one tiny bit from the leaflets... however, having been to Pagan events (and the occasional metal gig) where evangelist Christians stand outside handing out leaflets, they often do a lot more than just hand out leaflets - they can be abusive, and threatening... I've often wondered why the police don't arrest some of the ones I've come across... of course, I don't have any knowledge of this particular case beyond what is said in this article.... BB Peter - peter VV Thursday, September 28, 2006 6:54 PM Re: Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Anti-gay leaflets charge dropped Mr Green's supporters shouted "Hallelujah!" at the case's outcomeA Christian campaigner has been cleared of using threatening words and behaviour when handing out leaflets at a gay and lesbian event in Cardiff. Stephen Green, 55, said he may take legal action after a court case against him was dropped for lack of evidence. Mr Green, from Carmarthen, is the national director of the evangelical lobby group Christian Voice. South Wales Police have insisted they were right to arrest Mr Green. Supporters of Mr Green shouted "Hallelujah!" and clapped at Cardiff Magistrates Court as a legal adviser announced the Crown Prosecution Service's decision not to proceed with the case. It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights Stephen Green, Christian Voice He was arrested when he refused to stop handing out leaflets at the entrance to Cardiff's Mardi Gras gay and lesbian festival in Bute Park earlier this month, which was attended by around 40,000 people. The leaflets quoted the Bible and that told gays: "Turn from your sins and you will be saved." He was held in a police station for four hours and was charged with using threatening, abusive or insulting words or behaviour likely to cause harassment, alarm or distress after he refused to accept a caution from the force's Minorities Support Unit. 'Blasphemous' Mr Green denied the charge, claiming his freedom of speech was being infringed. After the case, he described his arrest as "a big wake-up call to evangelists". The father-of-one said his treatment on the day of the festival was "disgraceful" and promised he would return to the next festival with even more supporters. He said: "The police should concentrate on nicking villains instead of people like me going about my lawful business. "It is important that Christians should be able to stand up for the Gospel and resist any attempt by the police to trample our civil rights. "I'm quite pleased the CPS had the good sense to drop this case at an early stage. The police should never have arrested me in the first place, let alone charged me." Mr Green had previously protested at the city's Wales Millennium Centre outside performances of Jerry Springer: The Opera, claiming it was blasphemous. 'Vulnerable' Mr Green's solicitor, Mark Williams, said he regarded his client's arrest at the Mardi Gras as "an abuse of police powers" and said they would be taking action in the civil courts. South Wales Police force has defended its handling of the case, saying the CPS decison not to go ahead with the presecution of Mr Green due to insufficient evidence did not "challenge the legality" of his arrest. It added that the force had a "proven record" of supporting the freedom of expression in facilitating marches and demonstrations over many years. Deputy Chief Constable David Francis said: "Equally, we are very proud of our stand on supporting and protecting the most vulnerable in our communities, especially those who are the victims of prejudice and discrimination, harassment and even hatred." Peter H Inbox full of spam? Get leading spam protection and 1GB storage with All New Mail. Peter H All New Mail – Tired of Vi@gr@! come-ons? Let our SpamGuard protect you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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