Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Does anyone see an anomaly here? - We don't have a central computer base of fingerprints for people who have not been arrested! More civil rights gone. Police to fingerprint on streets No two fingerprints have ever been found to be identical on databases Motorists who get stopped by the police could have their fingerprints taken at the roadside, under a new plan to help officers check people's identities. A hand-held device being tested by 10 forces in England and Wales is linked to a database of 6.5m prints. Police say they will save time because people will no longer have to go to the station to prove their identity. Officers promise prints will not be kept on file but concerns have been raised about civil liberties. Bedfordshire are the first force to use the equipment, which is being distributed among the forces in Essex, Hertfordshire, Lancashire, North Wales, Northamptonshire, West Midlands and West Yorkshire, as well as to British Transport Police and the Metropolitan Police, over the next two months. It's a first to search a national database and get a response back in a couple of minutes Chris Wheeler Police Information Technology Organisation Send us your comments How scanners work It is primarily aimed at motorists because banned or uninsured drivers often give false names, although pedestrians could also be asked to give prints if they are suspected to have committed an offence. Police Minister Tony McNulty said: " The new technology will speed up the time it takes for police to identify individuals at the roadside, enabling them to spend more time on the frontline and reducing any inconvenience for innocent members of the public. " Under the pilot, codenamed Lantern, police officers will be able to check the fingerprints from both index fingers of the suspect - with their permission - against a central computer database, with a response within a few minutes. " The handheld, capture device is little bigger than a PDA, " said Chris Wheeler, head of fingerprint identification at the Police Information Technology Organisation PITO. " Screening on the street means they [police] can check an identity and verify it. " Currently an officer has to arrest a person and take them to a custody suite to fingerprint them. The device will be used with the Automatic Number Plate Recognition team, who identify vehicles of interest. If a vehicle is stopped, police will be able to identify the driver and passengers. At present about 60% of drivers stopped do not give their true identity. Argentine police officer Juan Vucetich made the first positive criminal fingerprint identification in 1892 Six years earlier fingerprinting pioneer Scotsman Dr Henry Faulds offered the concept to the Met Police The UK's first fingerprint bureau was founded in Scotland Yard in 1901 with the help of Indian experts No two fingerprints have ever been found to be identical in many billions of human and automated computer comparisons Inspector Steve Rawlings, based in Luton, said it takes two sets of fingerprints and the fingerprints are not retained. " The encounter can be 15 minutes on the roadside rather than three hours in the police station, " he said. The device has an accuracy of 94-95% and will be used for identification purposes only, say police, and there are electronic safeguards to prevent misuse. It sends encrypted data to the national ID system using GPRS - a wireless system used by many mobile phones. More than 6.5 million fingerprints are cross-referenced and sent back to the officer. Mark Wallace, who represents the civil liberties group the Freedom Association, told BBC Radio Five Live that he had " concerns " about the scheme. " I don't think we should be reassured by the fact that at the moment it's voluntary and at the moment they won't be recorded, " he said. " Both of those things are actually only happening in the trial because the laws haven't been passed to do this on a national basis compulsorily and with recording. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 war equals peace! work makes free! >heartwerk <jo.heartwork >Nov 22, 2006 4:43 AM > > Fingerprinted on the streets ! > >Does anyone see an anomaly here? - We don't have a central computer >base of fingerprints for people who have not been arrested! > >More civil rights gone. > >Police to fingerprint on streets > >No two fingerprints have ever been found to be identical on databases >Motorists who get stopped by the police could have their fingerprints >taken at the roadside, under a new plan to help officers check >people's identities. >A hand-held device being tested by 10 forces in England and Wales is >linked to a database of 6.5m prints. > >Police say they will save time because people will no longer have to >go to the station to prove their identity. > >Officers promise prints will not be kept on file but concerns have >been raised about civil liberties. > >Bedfordshire are the first force to use the equipment, which is being >distributed among the forces in Essex, Hertfordshire, Lancashire, >North Wales, Northamptonshire, West Midlands and West Yorkshire, as >well as to British Transport Police and the Metropolitan Police, over >the next two months. > > It's a first to search a national database and get a response back >in a couple of minutes > >Chris Wheeler > >Police Information Technology Organisation > > >Send us your comments >How scanners work > >It is primarily aimed at motorists because banned or uninsured >drivers often give false names, although pedestrians could also be >asked to give prints if they are suspected to have committed an >offence. > >Police Minister Tony McNulty said: " The new technology will speed up >the time it takes for police to identify individuals at the roadside, >enabling them to spend more time on the frontline and reducing any >inconvenience for innocent members of the public. " > >Under the pilot, codenamed Lantern, police officers will be able to >check the fingerprints from both index fingers of the suspect - with >their permission - against a central computer database, with a >response within a few minutes. > > > " The handheld, capture device is little bigger than a PDA, " said >Chris Wheeler, head of fingerprint identification at the Police >Information Technology Organisation PITO. > > " Screening on the street means they [police] can check an identity >and verify it. " > >Currently an officer has to arrest a person and take them to a >custody suite to fingerprint them. > >The device will be used with the Automatic Number Plate Recognition >team, who identify vehicles of interest. > >If a vehicle is stopped, police will be able to identify the driver >and passengers. At present about 60% of drivers stopped do not give >their true identity. > >Argentine police officer Juan Vucetich made the first positive >criminal fingerprint identification in 1892 >Six years earlier fingerprinting pioneer Scotsman Dr Henry Faulds >offered the concept to the Met Police >The UK's first fingerprint bureau was founded in Scotland Yard in >1901 with the help of Indian experts >No two fingerprints have ever been found to be identical in many >billions of human and automated computer comparisons > >Inspector Steve Rawlings, based in Luton, said it takes two sets of >fingerprints and the fingerprints are not retained. > > " The encounter can be 15 minutes on the roadside rather than three >hours in the police station, " he said. > >The device has an accuracy of 94-95% and will be used for >identification purposes only, say police, and there are electronic >safeguards to prevent misuse. > >It sends encrypted data to the national ID system using GPRS - a >wireless system used by many mobile phones. > >More than 6.5 million fingerprints are cross-referenced and sent back >to the officer. > >Mark Wallace, who represents the civil liberties group the Freedom >Association, told BBC Radio Five Live that he had " concerns " about >the scheme. > > " I don't think we should be reassured by the fact that at the moment >it's voluntary and at the moment they won't be recorded, " he said. > > " Both of those things are actually only happening in the trial >because the laws haven't been passed to do this on a national basis >compulsorily and with recording. " > > > > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 We all get thumb-printed when we get a driver's license or ID card. Another interesting idea is the No Child Left Behind Act. We have to identify each child by the name on the birth certificate. This created an interesting situation a couple of years ago, when children suddenly found out the person they thought was their father actually wasn't. Then those children are assigned state ID's, so they can be tracked by the government. I am not sure how this helps them learn. peace, sharon >Does anyone see an anomaly here? - We don't have a central computer >base of fingerprints for people who have not been arrested!>>>>>> Messages in this topic (2) Reply (via web post) | Start a new topic . Sponsored Link Degrees for employed people - in as fast as 1 year. A.S. / Bachelors / Masters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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