Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Is flying on an airplane vegan? isn't flying one of the biggest contributors of global warming and by participatin in it are we being selfish the best thing is to go by bycicle and I try to do that but I can only go on my bike on cloudy days because the strong sun harms me. I do like to travel and explore other cultures but not at the expense of ruining the planet. so less car traveling, more walking is better for the planet. Does this mean that people should stay where they are and never go far. Horses are not an option. would a boat be better? Sometimes I feel like a few people are trying to make this better world a place but the other 98 percent don't care. -anouk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 yes..flying does contribute a lot to global warming sadly, while i do not fly often (not since 2001), there are going to be times when i need to it is important to me to be able to see the world and experience different cultures and, i don't have the money nor time off avaiable to take 2 months off for a boat (unless its sail it will contribute its own global warming gases and pollution anyways) but. there are things one can do again, i rarely fly... i take public transpo when i can (tho still wish BART ran longer hours) and a traveler can purchase what are acalled carbon offsets there are various sites on the web about this basically say you are going t o fly to europe the website will have a carbon calculator (or something similar), where you plug in the data, and it tells you how much fuel will be burned etc, and how much pollution or green house gases will be created you then purchase carbon offsets, which can be anything from planting trees, to a company investing in renewable energy resources (one carbon offset company purchases old diesel boilers with solar power) while not a perfect solution..it is at least a step >flower child <zurumato >Nov 22, 2006 10:01 AM > > is it immoral to fly > >Is flying on an airplane vegan? > >isn't flying one of the biggest contributors of global warming >and by participatin in it are we being selfish > >the best thing is to go by bycicle and I try to do that but >I can only go on my bike on cloudy days because the strong sun >harms me. > >I do like to travel and explore other cultures but not at the expense >of ruining the planet. > >so less car traveling, more walking is better for the planet. >Does this mean that people should stay >where they are and never go far. Horses are not an option. > >would a boat be better? > >Sometimes I feel like a few people are trying to make this better world >a place but the other 98 percent don't care. > >-anouk > > > > >To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hi Anouk While I am not a great traveller (never been on a plane) Britain is a fairly small island. It could be claustrophobic to think you couldn't get out of the country. Admittedly people could go by boat (would that be any more environmentally friendly) but people get only so much holiday from work per year and could not travel far by boat. Jo - " flower child " <zurumato Wednesday, November 22, 2006 6:01 PM is it immoral to fly > Is flying on an airplane vegan? > > isn't flying one of the biggest contributors of global warming > and by participatin in it are we being selfish > > the best thing is to go by bycicle and I try to do that but > I can only go on my bike on cloudy days because the strong sun > harms me. > > I do like to travel and explore other cultures but not at the expense > of ruining the planet. > > so less car traveling, more walking is better for the planet. > Does this mean that people should stay > where they are and never go far. Horses are not an option. > > would a boat be better? > > Sometimes I feel like a few people are trying to make this better world > a place but the other 98 percent don't care. > > -anouk > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Its certainly not enviromentally friendly, and a lot of people seem to know more about holiday destinations abroad than they do their own country! which I think is sad. Carbon footprints in the food chain I think are also as important as a hell of a lot of unseasonal foodstuffs are flown all over the world at the enviroments expense. You wonder how the hell we in the U.K. managed in November without blueberries from Chile! I think a lot of people can do more by supporting their own country/county even and trying to buy local/national rather than global......... steps off soapbox now, The Valley Vegan...............flower child <zurumato wrote: Is flying on an airplane vegan?isn't flying one of the biggest contributors of global warmingand by participatin in it are we being selfish the best thing is to go by bycicle and I try to do that but I can only go on my bike on cloudy days because the strong sun harms me. I do like to travel and explore other cultures but not at the expenseof ruining the planet.so less car traveling, more walking is better for the planet. Does this mean that people should stay where they are and never go far. Horses are not an option.would a boat be better?Sometimes I feel like a few people are trying to make this better worlda place but the other 98 percent don't care. -anouk Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Thanks, that's what I though, but since I have two little boys I don't get to read alot and not up to date on some things. Maybe, if the plane is going there anyways, if there is an empty seat then I wouldn't personally be contributing to global warming. but then again my weight on the plane would make the plane heavier, thus using more fuel?! maybe, I am just making excuses for myself! I will walk to wales to visit you and then cross on a wooden boat made from old fallen tree in the forest and just let the wind take me there. hee hee. , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Its certainly not enviromentally friendly, and a lot of people seem to know more about holiday destinations abroad than they do their own country! which I think is sad. > Carbon footprints in the food chain I think are also as important as a hell of a lot of unseasonal foodstuffs are flown all over the world at the enviroments expense. You wonder how the hell we in the U.K. managed in November without blueberries from Chile! > I think a lot of people can do more by supporting their own country/county even and trying to buy local/national rather than global......... > > steps off soapbox now, > > The Valley Vegan............... > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 However you get here, you are all welcome. The Valley Vegan......... Thanks, that's what I though, but since I have two little boysI don't get to read alot and not up to date on some things.Maybe, if the plane is going there anyways, if there is an empty seat then I wouldn't personally be contributing to global warming. but then again my weight on the plane would make the plane heavier, thus using more fuel?!maybe, I am just making excuses for myself!I will walk to wales to visit you and then cross on a wooden boat made from old fallen tree in the forest and just let the wind take methere. hee hee. , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Its certainly not enviromentally friendly, and a lot of people seemto know more about holiday destinations abroad than they do their owncountry! which I think is sad.> Carbon footprints in the food chain I think are also as importantas a hell of a lot of unseasonal foodstuffs are flown all over theworld at the enviroments expense. You wonder how the hell we in theU.K. managed in November without blueberries from Chile!> I think a lot of people can do more by supporting their owncountry/county even and trying to buy local/national rather thanglobal.........> > steps off soapbox now,> > The Valley Vegan...............> >Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2006 Report Share Posted November 22, 2006 Hi Anouk > Is flying on an airplane vegan? I don't see it as being non-vegan, since we're not consuming anything from animals when we do it.... > isn't flying one of the biggest contributors of global warming > and by participatin in it are we being selfish It's an interesting question. I've seen various figures for the amount of CO2 emissions from planes, some of which show that the amount of damage done from a single transatlantic flight is about the same as the average home does in 12 months of regular electricity use. When you consider that you have around 200 people on an avereage transatlantic flight, split that between then, and it's not quite as bad as often seems to be made out, and if we are contributing to cutting emissions in other ways, such as our diet, I don't think there is anything wrong with being ocassionally selfish! There is also the question as to whether stopping yourself from flying really makes much difference: most planes I've been on (admittedly only about 6 in my life) have had empty seats, so my being there has made minimal difference to the overall CO2 emissions, as the plane would have been flying with or without me. I also have questions over fossil fuel use. As we've discussed here before, we are getting very close to reaching peak oil. It doesn't seem likely that we are going to convince enough people to stop using fossil fuels before we run out of them. Therefore, whatever happens, we are going to end up using up all the fossil fuels, and however we use them up is going to create nasty emissions. What I think is far more important is preparing ourselves for the time when that happens. I'd like to see governments preparing for it by creating enough power plants that are run on renewables, but realistically I think it's not going to happen, and we are going to have to learn how to live with a significant reduction in our usage of electricity and transport. So, while I'm happy to do that, I also want to get some enjoyment until that happens. BB Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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