England smoke ban to start 1 July

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well if you read my replys then you will bee albe to understand them heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi LouisCan I ask that you don't keep repeating a word as though we are unable to understand what you say if it is said only once.Jo , louis stott <lsstott wrote:>> no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no]> > Shhhhh

<compassion2grace wrote: Gosh, is there any other way to live? I remember when you would walk through the grocery store and there would be people smoking. My dad, who died of complications of lung cancer and emphysema, was allowed to smoke in the hospital on his death bed. But no smoking in public places has been the law in California for so long now I can't imagine it being any other way. I admit to being a former smoker, but even passing someone smoking on the street bothers me. I loved Las Vegas, but seriously the smoke will almost kill you.> > peace,> sharon> > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> and all my english friends would come over and complain righteously about california's no -smoking laws....> they are absolutely livid right now...> > > >heartwerk <jo.heartwork> >Sent:

Nov 30, 2006 11:33 PM> > > > England smoke ban to start 1 July> >> >Yay - whoooowhooooo - brilliant. No more sore throats and lungs > >after concerts!> >> >Jo> > > >The government says 600,000 people will quit as a result > >Smoking in enclosed public places will be banned in England from 1 > >July next year, the government has announced. > >The ban covers virtually all enclosed public places including > >offices, factories, pubs and bars, but not outdoors or in private > >homes. > >> >It follows similar bans in the Irish Republic and Scotland - a ban in > >Wales starts on 2 April. > >> >Ministers say it will protect everyone from passive smoking, but > >opponents say

the total ban is "draconian". > >> >From 1 July pubs and restaurants will have to display prominent "no > >smoking" signs around their premises. > >> >Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the ban was a "huge step > >forward" which would save thousands of people's lives. > >> >The cost of implementing the ban has been estimated at about £50m. > >> >Medical evidence > >> >Ms Hewitt said the ban would protect everyone from second-hand smoke, > >while making it easier for smokers to quit. > >> >"The scientific and medical evidence is clear - second-hand smoke > >kills, causing a range of serious medical conditions including lung > >cancer, heart disease, and sudden infant death syndrome," she said. > >> >"This legislation will help to prevent the unnecessary deaths

caused > >every year from second-hand smoke, and recognises that there is > >absolutely no safe level of exposure." > >> > SMOKING BANS > >Irish Republic: March 2004> >Scotland: March 2006> >Northern Ireland: April 2007> >Wales: April 2007> >England: July 2007 > >> >The government predicts about 600,000 people will give up smoking as > >a result of the law change. > >> >The news was welcomed by health campaigners. Dame Helena Shovelton, > >chief executive of the British Lung Foundation, said: "This is a > >victory for all those of us who have campaigned so vigorously to > >improve public health." > >> >She said it would reduce the death toll linked to smoking and that > >tens of thousands of people with lung disease would once again be > >able to visit

pubs and restaurants. > >> >Cancer Research UK chief, Prof Alex Markham, said 1 July would be > >an "historic day". > >> >"Making workplaces and enclosed public places smoke free will bring > >about some of the most significant health improvements the country > >has seen in decades," he said. > >> > [it's] typical of a government that seems determined to interfere > >in every aspect of our daily lives > >> >Simon Clark,> >Forest lobby group> >> >> >Send us your comments > >> >British Beer and Pub Association boss, Rob Hayward, welcomed the > >announcement, saying it gave businesses "greater clarity" and would > >allow them to prepare their customers for the changes. > >> >The Cabinet originally proposed prohibiting smoking only in pubs >

>serving food, in line with Labour's election manifesto - but MPs > >eventually backed a total ban in enclosed public spaces in a free > >vote. > >> >Simon Clark, director of the smokers' lobby group Forest, said that > >decision had been "draconian". > >> >"From July next year it will not only be illegal to smoke in every > >pub, club and bar in the country, it will also be impossible to set > >up a private club run by smokers for smokers," he said. > >> >"That's an amazing state of affairs but typical of a government that > >seems determined to interfere in every aspect of our daily lives." > >> >The health secretary is also launching a Smokefree England campaign, > >to advise England's 3.7m businesses to prepare for the ban. > >> >> >> > > >>

>> >> >> >To send an email to - > >

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Hi Louis

 

>well how i think it would work is easy i think anyway i would get a vote on everone in that pub who use it ever day

 

Ah - so you would restrict the voting those who are happy to sit in a smokey atmosphere. Great way to keep the status quo - don't let anyone who disagrees with it vote on the issue.

 

BB

Peter

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Hi Louis / Jo

 

> I hope the landlord is regularly prosecuted, and the smokers regularly

> fined.

 

It will happen, because the pub will be reported. If I go into anywhere that

I expect to be able to breathe, and can't because of people breaking the

smoking ban, I'll have no qualms about reporting it.

 

BB

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hi jo of cos i fell compassion but i do think there should be 2 lots of pubs here lo heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: In this reply I forgot to mention that my friend's asthma is not very like allergic asthma as she just seems to have an irritating cough. She does not have the feeling that she cannot get breath in and out of her body. I think if someone had allergic asthma they would not even think of smoking, and have to avoid other people's smoke.Tell me Louis, do

you not feel any compassion for an asthmatic who wishes to socialise in a pub? Jo , "heartwerk" <jo.heartwork wrote:>> I have a friend at work who has asthma which has come on late in life > because she smokes. It seems to have been caused by abusing the lungs > rather than through an allergen, which is the normal cause of asthma.> > Did your doctor not advise you to give up smoking? and if he did, why > are you still smoking? Do you not value your life? Do you not enjoy > your life? Is smoking really one of the most important and enjoyable > pastimes you have? If that is the case, I feel very sad for you.> > Jo> > , louis stott <lsstott@>

wrote:> >> > hi bb peter > > well my doc says its asthma so why should he lie to me > >>

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At a guess I would say to get a drink? The Valley Vegan.............louis stott <lsstott wrote: hi jo so whats the point of havein pubs then ???? peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: When I used to smoke it was purely socially ( sic ), and always felt like a fag when I was in a pub and my mates

were smoking. So possibly the wrong place to go to try to give up? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Louis Is it not possible for you to go into a pub and not smoke? Why do you go to the pub? I presume you go for either or both of two reasons - one - to have a drink - two - to meet socially with people. You do not have to smoke to do either of those things. Jo - louis stott Monday, December 04, 2006 7:15 PM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July hi jo no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no............. yes i still think we should have 2 sorts of pubs most staff who i now who work in pubs yes PUBS smoke smoke smoke smoke i do not think my habit is pain at toll louisjo <jo.heartwork > wrote: It would not be a good idea to have two sorts of pubs because people still have to work in them and why should they be exposed to everyone else's smoke. Smoking is not a necessity - it doesn't even make life easier. It's about time to be honest Louis and admit that your habit is a pain in the neck to a lot of other people, and very dangerous for them too. Jo - louis stott Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:01 AM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July hi jo i do see your point sort off . but why cart we have 2 sorts of pubs i.e smokers and no smokers ones EASY EVER ONE HAPPY LOUISjo <jo.heartwork > wrote: That doesn't mean that it is something I should have to put up with. Jo - louis stott Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:15 PM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July hi jo smokein is not the only thing thats kills you breath in walkin in hi street where all the cars smoke out i think we should have smokers pubs and non smokers pubs we smokers are not the { only } smoke what

killsGeraldine McCarthy <geraldine.mccarthy (AT) tesco (DOT) net> wrote: Hi Jo, I too lost two relatives to lung cancer due to smoking - my father and my uncle I have a sister who like me has never smoked, unfortunately my brother has smoked from quite an early age. When talking to my brother at times I say to him please give up smoking. I do this in a non-judgemental way, as I know that stopping smoking is a very hard thing to do - as I have been

told it is one of the worst drugs to come off. Yes, afterall it is a drug to one's body! Let's be honest here the government makes a lot of money from people smoking! People get hooked - they are then left with the consequences! I look forward to this ban on smoking. My husband who doesn't smoke who once a week goes to play pool comes home smelling of smoke - It will be nice to know that in the future this will not be the case Teresa ----- Original Message

----- jo Friday, December 01, 2006 5:13 PM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July Sorry to sound brusque Louis - but I would prefer you and other smokers not to kill me. I have had a mother and uncle die of lung cancer, and it is a very nasty way to go. If you want to take the chance of killing yourself that is your choice, but I don't see why smokers should pollute the environment for everyone else. Jo - louis stott Friday, December 01, 2006 8:39 AM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July this is very sad for us smokers all it means that we shall have to go the parks etc for a fag heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: Yay - whoooowhooooo - brilliant. No more sore throats and lungs after concerts!JoThe government says 600,000 people will quit as a result Smoking in enclosed public places will be banned in England from 1 July next year, the government has announced. The ban covers virtually all enclosed public places including offices, factories, pubs and bars, but not outdoors or in private homes. It follows similar bans in the Irish Republic and Scotland - a ban in Wales starts on 2 April. Ministers say it will protect everyone from passive smoking, but opponents say the total ban is "draconian". From 1 July pubs and restaurants will have to display prominent "no smoking" signs around their premises. Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the ban was a "huge step forward" which would save thousands of people's lives. The cost of

implementing the ban has been estimated at about £50m. Medical evidence Ms Hewitt said the ban would protect everyone from second-hand smoke, while making it easier for smokers to quit. "The scientific and medical evidence is clear - second-hand smoke kills, causing a range of serious medical conditions including lung cancer, heart disease, and sudden infant death syndrome," she said. "This legislation will help to prevent the unnecessary deaths caused every year from second-hand smoke, and recognises that there is absolutely no safe level of exposure." SMOKING BANS Irish Republic: March 2004Scotland: March 2006Northern Ireland: April 2007Wales: April 2007England: July 2007 The government predicts about 600,000 people will give up smoking as a result of the law change. The news was welcomed by health campaigners. Dame Helena Shovelton, chief executive of the British Lung

Foundation, said: "This is a victory for all those of us who have campaigned so vigorously to improve public health." She said it would reduce the death toll linked to smoking and that tens of thousands of people with lung disease would once again be able to visit pubs and restaurants. Cancer Research UK chief, Prof Alex Markham, said 1 July would be an "historic day". "Making workplaces and enclosed public places smoke free will bring about some of the most significant health improvements the country has seen in decades," he said. [it's] typical of a government that seems determined to interfere in every aspect of our daily lives Simon Clark,Forest lobby groupSend us your comments British Beer and Pub Association boss, Rob Hayward, welcomed the announcement, saying it gave businesses "greater clarity" and would allow them to prepare their customers for the changes.

The Cabinet originally proposed prohibiting smoking only in pubs serving food, in line with Labour's election manifesto - but MPs eventually backed a total ban in enclosed public spaces in a free vote. Simon Clark, director of the smokers' lobby group Forest, said that decision had been "draconian". "From July next year it will not only be illegal to smoke in every pub, club and bar in the country, it will also be impossible to set up a private club run by smokers for smokers," he said. "That's an amazing state of affairs but typical of a government that seems determined to interfere in every aspect of our daily lives." The health secretary is also launching a Smokefree England campaign, to advise England's 3.7m businesses to prepare for the ban. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Peter H

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well if you read my replys then you will bee albe to understand them heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

 

Hi LouisCan I ask that you don't keep repeating a word as though we are unable to understand what you say if it is said only once.Jo , louis stott <lsstott wrote:>> no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no]> > Shhhhh <compassion2grace wrote: Gosh, is there any other way to live? I remember when you would walk through the grocery store and there would be people smoking. My dad, who died of complications of lung cancer and emphysema, was allowed to smoke in the hospital on his death bed. But no smoking in public places has been the law in California for so long now I can't imagine it being any other way. I admit to being a former smoker, but even passing someone smoking on the street bothers me. I loved Las Vegas, but seriously the smoke will almost kill you.> > peace,> sharon> > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> and all my english friends would come over and complain righteously about california's no -smoking laws....> they are absolutely livid right now...> > > >heartwerk <jo.heartwork> >Nov 30, 2006 11:33 PM> > > > England smoke ban to start 1 July> >> >Yay - whoooowhooooo - brilliant. No more sore throats and lungs > >after concerts!> >> >Jo> > > >The government says 600,000 people will quit as a result > >Smoking in enclosed public places will be banned in England from 1 > >July next year, the government has announced. > >The ban covers virtually all enclosed public places including > >offices, factories, pubs and bars, but not outdoors or in private > >homes. > >> >It follows similar bans in the Irish Republic and Scotland - a ban in > >Wales starts on 2 April. > >> >Ministers say it will protect everyone from passive smoking, but > >opponents say the total ban is "draconian". > >> >From 1 July pubs and restaurants will have to display prominent "no > >smoking" signs around their premises. > >> >Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the ban was a "huge step > >forward" which would save thousands of people's lives. > >> >The cost of implementing the ban has been estimated at about £50m. > >> >Medical evidence > >> >Ms Hewitt said the ban would protect everyone from second-hand smoke, > >while making it easier for smokers to quit. > >> >"The scientific and medical evidence is clear - second-hand smoke > >kills, causing a range of serious medical conditions including lung > >cancer, heart disease, and sudden infant death syndrome," she said. > >> >"This legislation will help to prevent the unnecessary deaths caused > >every year from second-hand smoke, and recognises that there is > >absolutely no safe level of exposure." > >> > SMOKING BANS > >Irish Republic: March 2004> >Scotland: March 2006> >Northern Ireland: April 2007> >Wales: April 2007> >England: July 2007 > >> >The government predicts about 600,000 people will give up smoking as > >a result of the law change. > >> >The news was welcomed by health campaigners. Dame Helena Shovelton, > >chief executive of the British Lung Foundation, said: "This is a > >victory for all those of us who have campaigned so vigorously to > >improve public health." > >> >She said it would reduce the death toll linked to smoking and that > >tens of thousands of people with lung disease would once again be > >able to visit pubs and restaurants. > >> >Cancer Research UK chief, Prof Alex Markham, said 1 July would be > >an "historic day". > >> >"Making workplaces and enclosed public places smoke free will bring > >about some of the most significant health improvements the country > >has seen in decades," he said. > >> > [it's] typical of a government that seems determined to interfere > >in every aspect of our daily lives > >> >Simon Clark,> >Forest lobby group> >> >> >Send us your comments > >> >British Beer and Pub Association boss, Rob Hayward, welcomed the > >announcement, saying it gave businesses "greater clarity" and would > >allow them to prepare their customers for the changes. > >> >The Cabinet originally proposed prohibiting smoking only in pubs > >serving food, in line with Labour's election manifesto - but MPs > >eventually backed a total ban in enclosed public spaces in a free > >vote. > >> >Simon Clark, director of the smokers' lobby group Forest, said that > >decision had been "draconian". > >> >"From July next year it will not only be illegal to smoke in every > >pub, club and bar in the country, it will also be impossible to set > >up a private club run by smokers for smokers," he said. > >> >"That's an amazing state of affairs but typical of a government that > >seems determined to interfere in every aspect of our daily lives." > >> >The health secretary is also launching a Smokefree England campaign, > >to advise England's 3.7m businesses to prepare for the ban. > >> >> >> > > >> >> >> >> >To send an email to - > >

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Yeah, I don't think you got that Louis.louis stott <lsstott wrote: yer thats ok you put food and drink in your gob dont you ?????????????????!!!!!!!!!!Shhhhh <compassion2grace > wrote: hehe. Being in a pub makes you feel like a fag. Okay, totally politically incorrect humor here. My mother was from England, and at work

when she was going on a smoke break, she'd say, "I'm going to go have a fag," and one day one of her co-workers said, "You mean you're going to go put a butt in your mouth?" Back to my corner now.... peace, sharonpeter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: When I used to smoke it was purely socially ( sic ), and always felt like a fag when I was in a pub and my mates were smoking. So possibly the wrong place to go to try to give up? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Louis Is it not possible for you to go into a pub and not smoke? Why do you go to the pub? I presume you go for either or both of two reasons - one - to have a drink - two - to meet socially with people. You do not have to smoke to do either of those things. Jo - louis stott Monday, December 04, 2006 7:15 PM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July hi jo no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no no............. yes i still think we should have 2 sorts of pubs most staff who i now who work in pubs yes PUBS smoke smoke smoke smoke i do not think my habit is pain at toll louisjo <jo.heartwork > wrote: It would not be a good idea to have two sorts of pubs because people still have to work in them and why should they be exposed to everyone else's smoke. Smoking is not a necessity - it doesn't even make life easier. It's about time to be honest Louis and admit that your habit is a pain in the neck to a lot of other people, and very dangerous for them too. Jo - louis stott Sunday, December 03, 2006 11:01 AM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July hi jo i do see your point sort off . but why cart we have 2 sorts of pubs i.e smokers and no smokers ones EASY EVER ONE HAPPY LOUISjo <jo.heartwork > wrote: That doesn't mean that it is something I should have to put up with. Jo - louis stott Saturday, December 02, 2006 4:15 PM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July hi jo smokein is not the only thing thats kills you breath in walkin in hi street where all the cars smoke out i think we should have smokers pubs and non smokers pubs we smokers are not the { only } smoke what killsGeraldine McCarthy <geraldine.mccarthy (AT) tesco (DOT) net> wrote: Hi Jo, I too lost two relatives to lung cancer due to smoking - my father and my uncle I have a sister who like me has never smoked, unfortunately my brother has smoked from quite an early age. When talking to my brother at times I say to him please give up smoking. I do this in a non-judgemental way, as I know that stopping smoking is a very hard thing to do - as I have been told it is one of the worst drugs to come off. Yes, afterall it is a drug to one's body! Let's be honest here the government makes a lot of money from people smoking! People get hooked - they are then left with the

consequences! I look forward to this ban on smoking. My husband who doesn't smoke who once a week goes to play pool comes home smelling of smoke - It will be nice to know that in the future this will not be the case Teresa - jo Friday, December 01, 2006 5:13 PM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July Sorry to sound brusque Louis - but I would prefer you and other smokers not to kill me. I have had a mother and uncle die of lung cancer, and it is a very nasty way to go. If you want to take the chance of killing yourself that is your choice, but I don't see why smokers should pollute the environment for everyone else. Jo - louis stott Friday, December 01, 2006 8:39 AM Re: England smoke ban to start 1 July this is very sad for us smokers all it means that we shall have to go the parks etc for a fag heartwerk <jo.heartwork > wrote: Yay - whoooowhooooo - brilliant. No more sore throats and lungs after concerts!JoThe government says 600,000 people will quit as a result Smoking in enclosed public places will be banned in England from 1 July next year, the government has announced. The ban covers virtually all

enclosed public places including offices, factories, pubs and bars, but not outdoors or in private homes. It follows similar bans in the Irish Republic and Scotland - a ban in Wales starts on 2 April. Ministers say it will protect everyone from passive smoking, but opponents say the total ban is "draconian". From 1 July pubs and restaurants will have to display prominent "no smoking" signs around their premises. Health Secretary Patricia Hewitt said the ban was a "huge step forward" which would save thousands of people's lives. The cost of implementing the ban has been estimated at about £50m. Medical evidence Ms Hewitt said the ban would protect everyone from second-hand smoke, while making it easier for smokers to quit. "The scientific and medical evidence is clear - second-hand smoke kills, causing a range of serious medical conditions including lung cancer, heart

disease, and sudden infant death syndrome," she said. "This legislation will help to prevent the unnecessary deaths caused every year from second-hand smoke, and recognises that there is absolutely no safe level of exposure." SMOKING BANS Irish Republic: March 2004Scotland: March 2006Northern Ireland: April 2007Wales: April 2007England: July 2007 The government predicts about 600,000 people will give up smoking as a result of the law change. The news was welcomed by health campaigners. Dame Helena Shovelton, chief executive of the British Lung Foundation, said: "This is a victory for all those of us who have campaigned so vigorously to improve public health." She said it would reduce the death toll linked to smoking and that tens of thousands of people with lung disease would once again be able to visit pubs and restaurants. Cancer Research UK chief, Prof Alex Markham, said

1 July would be an "historic day". "Making workplaces and enclosed public places smoke free will bring about some of the most significant health improvements the country has seen in decades," he said. [it's] typical of a government that seems determined to interfere in every aspect of our daily lives Simon Clark,Forest lobby groupSend us your comments British Beer and Pub Association boss, Rob Hayward, welcomed the announcement, saying it gave businesses "greater clarity" and would allow them to prepare their customers for the changes. The Cabinet originally proposed prohibiting smoking only in pubs serving food, in line with Labour's election manifesto - but MPs eventually backed a total ban in enclosed public spaces in a free vote. Simon Clark, director of the smokers' lobby group Forest, said that decision had been "draconian". "From July next year it will not

only be illegal to smoke in every pub, club and bar in the country, it will also be impossible to set up a private club run by smokers for smokers," he said. "That's an amazing state of affairs but typical of a government that seems determined to interfere in every aspect of our daily lives." The health secretary is also launching a Smokefree England campaign, to advise England's 3.7m businesses to prepare for the ban. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Peter H Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Check out the all-new Mail beta - Fire up a more

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