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, " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote:

>

> The skirt I wore today is ten years old - I reckon it will last at

least

> another ten years :-) I throw things away if they are worn out, and

> sometimes if I have bought clohtes that are then not comfortable I

will put

> them in the Humana boxes.

>

> Jo

>

> -

> " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx

>

> Monday, January 29, 2007 8:49 PM

> Re: Re: clothing dilemma

>

>

> > clean out my closet once a year?

> > eep

> > umm

> > sorry..i can't afford to replace stuff that quick anouk

> >

> > i still have t-shirts from when i was like 15..........

> >

> >

> > >flower child <zurumato

> > >Jan 29, 2007 1:09 PM

> > >

> > > Re: clothing dilemma

> >

> > >I clean out my closet at least once a year during spring. Doesn't

> > >everyone?

> > >

> > >

> >

> > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket

fired,

> signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are

not fed,

> those who are cold and are not clothed. "

> > -- Dwight Eisenhower

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > To send an email to -

 

> >

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Sorry to hear about the fire ... " angelikfiona " ... I hope no one

was hurt.

 

Blessings,

*mona

 

, " angelikfiona "

<angelik_kitty_kat wrote:

>

> None of ym stuff is odler then a year because I lost it all in a

fire.

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> >

> > The skirt I wore today is ten years old - I reckon it will last

at

> least

> > another ten years :-) I throw things away if they are worn out,

and

> > sometimes if I have bought clohtes that are then not comfortable

I

> will put

> > them in the Humana boxes.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@>

> >

> > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:49 PM

> > Re: Re: clothing dilemma

> >

> >

> > > clean out my closet once a year?

> > > eep

> > > umm

> > > sorry..i can't afford to replace stuff that quick anouk

> > >

> > > i still have t-shirts from when i was like 15..........

> > >

> > >

> > > >flower child <zurumato@>

> > > >Jan 29, 2007 1:09 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: clothing dilemma

> > >

> > > >I clean out my closet at least once a year during spring.

Doesn't

> > > >everyone?

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket

> fired,

> > signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and

are

> not fed,

> > those who are cold and are not clothed. "

> > > -- Dwight Eisenhower

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

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I learned to sew just this past summer and am amazed at how much

money I've saved repairing our clothes rather than replacing them.

 

Blessings,

*mona

 

 

, " angelikfiona "

<angelik_kitty_kat wrote:

>

> I dont hardly ever buy clothes, most of my closet is home made, my

> shoes are from good will and such.

>

>

> Oh I could afford brand name, I just choose to have more unique

stuff.

>

>

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> >

> > I don't think that the problem is with not buying home made

goods

> as much as

> > the fact that China does nolt have a good human rights record,

and

> their

> > workers are paid very badly - as are Gap and Nike workers.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " flower child " <zurumato@>

> >

> > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:01 PM

> > Re: clothing dilemma

> >

> >

> > > Everyone Judges,

> > > you are judging me for buying something made in china.

> > >

> > > I honestly have a hard time finding items that are made in the

> USA.

> > > and when I do find them, I do support the US depending on the

> > > circumstance..

> > >

> > > Some people, when they turn vegan, decide to finish the meat

> that is

> > > in their Freezer that is good for the next two months.

(depending

> on

> > > how good your refrigerator is) so as not to waste that meat.

> > >

> > > during that interim period are they Vegan, or on their way to

> veganism?

> > >

> > > -anouk

> > >

> > >

> > > , peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Anouk,

> > > > If I cleaned out my closet every spring after a year or

two I

> > > wouldn't have any clothes left!, I am still wearing jeans that

> are 5

> > > years old, shirts that are the same if not older etc, I

generally

> only

> > > buy clothes in sales/second hand and then very rarely.

> > > > I try not to buy clothes that are made from places like

china

> etc

> > > as they could be sweatshop produced.

> > > > I am sorry that you feel the need to label a vegan

vegetarian

> just

> > > because they feel that they are being helpful by wearing out

> existing

> > > shoes, even if they only started going vegan and have not

bought

> any

> > > animal products since then.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

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I've still not decided what I'm going to do with my leather shoes

and belts but I'm still pondering the pros and cons of it all ...

 

*mona

 

, " angelikfiona "

<angelik_kitty_kat wrote:

>

> I dont hardly ever buy clothes, most of my closet is home made, my

> shoes are from good will and such.

>

>

> Oh I could afford brand name, I just choose to have more unique

stuff.

>

>

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> >

> > I don't think that the problem is with not buying home made

goods

> as much as

> > the fact that China does nolt have a good human rights record,

and

> their

> > workers are paid very badly - as are Gap and Nike workers.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " flower child " <zurumato@>

> >

> > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:01 PM

> > Re: clothing dilemma

> >

> >

> > > Everyone Judges,

> > > you are judging me for buying something made in china.

> > >

> > > I honestly have a hard time finding items that are made in the

> USA.

> > > and when I do find them, I do support the US depending on the

> > > circumstance..

> > >

> > > Some people, when they turn vegan, decide to finish the meat

> that is

> > > in their Freezer that is good for the next two months.

(depending

> on

> > > how good your refrigerator is) so as not to waste that meat.

> > >

> > > during that interim period are they Vegan, or on their way to

> veganism?

> > >

> > > -anouk

> > >

> > >

> > > , peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Hi Anouk,

> > > > If I cleaned out my closet every spring after a year or

two I

> > > wouldn't have any clothes left!, I am still wearing jeans that

> are 5

> > > years old, shirts that are the same if not older etc, I

generally

> only

> > > buy clothes in sales/second hand and then very rarely.

> > > > I try not to buy clothes that are made from places like

china

> etc

> > > as they could be sweatshop produced.

> > > > I am sorry that you feel the need to label a vegan

vegetarian

> just

> > > because they feel that they are being helpful by wearing out

> existing

> > > shoes, even if they only started going vegan and have not

bought

> any

> > > animal products since then.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

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my stuff just gets lotsa holes

:)

 

Rebecca is much better at sewing then i could ever be

just don't have time to look at her with pleading puppy dog eyes and go

plllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllleassssssssssseeeee

 

 

 

>*mona <ahnochirah

>Jan 30, 2007 4:06 PM

>

> Re: clothing dilemma

>

>I learned to sew just this past summer and am amazed at how much

>money I've saved repairing our clothes rather than replacing them.

>

>Blessings,

>*mona

>

>

> , " angelikfiona "

><angelik_kitty_kat wrote:

>>

>> I dont hardly ever buy clothes, most of my closet is home made, my

>> shoes are from good will and such.

>>

>>

>> Oh I could afford brand name, I just choose to have more unique

>stuff.

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

>> >

>> > I don't think that the problem is with not buying home made

>goods

>> as much as

>> > the fact that China does nolt have a good human rights record,

>and

>> their

>> > workers are paid very badly - as are Gap and Nike workers.

>> >

>> > Jo

>> >

>> > -

>> > " flower child " <zurumato@>

>> >

>> > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:01 PM

>> > Re: clothing dilemma

>> >

>> >

>> > > Everyone Judges,

>> > > you are judging me for buying something made in china.

>> > >

>> > > I honestly have a hard time finding items that are made in the

>> USA.

>> > > and when I do find them, I do support the US depending on the

>> > > circumstance..

>> > >

>> > > Some people, when they turn vegan, decide to finish the meat

>> that is

>> > > in their Freezer that is good for the next two months.

>(depending

>> on

>> > > how good your refrigerator is) so as not to waste that meat.

>> > >

>> > > during that interim period are they Vegan, or on their way to

>> veganism?

>> > >

>> > > -anouk

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > , peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

>> > > >

>> > > > Hi Anouk,

>> > > > If I cleaned out my closet every spring after a year or

>two I

>> > > wouldn't have any clothes left!, I am still wearing jeans that

>> are 5

>> > > years old, shirts that are the same if not older etc, I

>generally

>> only

>> > > buy clothes in sales/second hand and then very rarely.

>> > > > I try not to buy clothes that are made from places like

>china

>> etc

>> > > as they could be sweatshop produced.

>> > > > I am sorry that you feel the need to label a vegan

>vegetarian

>> just

>> > > because they feel that they are being helpful by wearing out

>> existing

>> > > shoes, even if they only started going vegan and have not

>bought

>> any

>> > > animal products since then.

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > >

>> > > To send an email to -

>>

>> > >

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Sorry to hear that.

 

Jo

 

, " angelikfiona "

<angelik_kitty_kat wrote:

>

> None of ym stuff is odler then a year because I lost it all in a

fire.

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> >

> > The skirt I wore today is ten years old - I reckon it will last at

> least

> > another ten years :-) I throw things away if they are worn out,

and

> > sometimes if I have bought clohtes that are then not comfortable I

> will put

> > them in the Humana boxes.

> >

> > Jo

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, " angelikfiona "

<angelik_kitty_kat wrote:

>

> None of ym stuff is odler then a year because I lost it all in a

fire.

>

>

> , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> >

> > The skirt I wore today is ten years old - I reckon it will last

at

> least

> > another ten years :-) I throw things away if they are worn out,

and

> > sometimes if I have bought clohtes that are then not comfortable

I

> will put

> > them in the Humana boxes.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > -

> > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@>

> >

> > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:49 PM

> > Re: Re: clothing dilemma

> >

> >

> > > clean out my closet once a year?

> > > eep

> > > umm

> > > sorry..i can't afford to replace stuff that quick anouk

> > >

> > > i still have t-shirts from when i was like 15..........

> > >

> > >

> > > >flower child <zurumato@>

> > > >Jan 29, 2007 1:09 PM

> > > >

> > > > Re: clothing dilemma

> > >

> > > >I clean out my closet at least once a year during spring.

Doesn't

> > > >everyone?

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket

> fired,

> > signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and

are

> not fed,

> > those who are cold and are not clothed. "

> > > -- Dwight Eisenhower

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > To send an email to -

>

> > >

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??? - I wonder where this 'post' came from?

 

Jo

 

, " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

wrote:

>

> , " angelikfiona "

> <angelik_kitty_kat@> wrote:

> >

> > None of ym stuff is odler then a year because I lost it all in a

> fire.

> >

> >

> > , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The skirt I wore today is ten years old - I reckon it will last

> at

> > least

> > > another ten years :-) I throw things away if they are worn

out,

> and

> > > sometimes if I have bought clohtes that are then not

comfortable

> I

> > will put

> > > them in the Humana boxes.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > > -

> > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@>

> > >

> > > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:49 PM

> > > Re: Re: clothing dilemma

> > >

> > >

> > > > clean out my closet once a year?

> > > > eep

> > > > umm

> > > > sorry..i can't afford to replace stuff that quick anouk

> > > >

> > > > i still have t-shirts from when i was like 15..........

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >flower child <zurumato@>

> > > > >Jan 29, 2007 1:09 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: clothing dilemma

> > > >

> > > > >I clean out my closet at least once a year during spring.

> Doesn't

> > > > >everyone?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket

> > fired,

> > > signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and

> are

> > not fed,

> > > those who are cold and are not clothed. "

> > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to -

> >

> > > >

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No one was hurt, and that includes my animals.

 

I had two cats then and before i got myself out, I made sure my cats

got out, I safely went aroudn ym house, tryign to find them and then

gentle placed them out nearby windows.

 

If they were traped by any fire between us, that was goignto be the

first thing i asked those firemen to do, but thankfully we all got

otu safely.

 

 

, " *mona " <ahnochirah wrote:

>

> Sorry to hear about the fire ... " angelikfiona " ... I hope no one

> was hurt.

>

> Blessings,

> *mona

>

> , " angelikfiona "

> <angelik_kitty_kat@> wrote:

> >

> > None of ym stuff is odler then a year because I lost it all in a

> fire.

> >

> >

> > , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> > >

> > > The skirt I wore today is ten years old - I reckon it will last

> at

> > least

> > > another ten years :-) I throw things away if they are worn

out,

> and

> > > sometimes if I have bought clohtes that are then not

comfortable

> I

> > will put

> > > them in the Humana boxes.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > > -

> > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@>

> > >

> > > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:49 PM

> > > Re: Re: clothing dilemma

> > >

> > >

> > > > clean out my closet once a year?

> > > > eep

> > > > umm

> > > > sorry..i can't afford to replace stuff that quick anouk

> > > >

> > > > i still have t-shirts from when i was like 15..........

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > >flower child <zurumato@>

> > > > >Jan 29, 2007 1:09 PM

> > > > >

> > > > > Re: clothing dilemma

> > > >

> > > > >I clean out my closet at least once a year during spring.

> Doesn't

> > > > >everyone?

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket

> > fired,

> > > signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and

> are

> > not fed,

> > > those who are cold and are not clothed. "

> > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to -

> >

> > > >

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Yes, i sincerely beleive it is extremely convient for any woman (or

man) to know how to do at least repair, learnign to sew to make

decent clothign is a bit harder and takes a tiny bit more work and

effort on your part.

 

I am an artists at heart and love designing and making clothes.

 

 

, " *mona " <ahnochirah wrote:

>

> I learned to sew just this past summer and am amazed at how much

> money I've saved repairing our clothes rather than replacing them.

>

> Blessings,

> *mona

>

>

> , " angelikfiona "

> <angelik_kitty_kat@> wrote:

> >

> > I dont hardly ever buy clothes, most of my closet is home made,

my

> > shoes are from good will and such.

> >

> >

> > Oh I could afford brand name, I just choose to have more unique

> stuff.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I don't think that the problem is with not buying home made

> goods

> > as much as

> > > the fact that China does nolt have a good human rights record,

> and

> > their

> > > workers are paid very badly - as are Gap and Nike workers.

> > >

> > > Jo

> > >

> > > -

> > > " flower child " <zurumato@>

> > >

> > > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:01 PM

> > > Re: clothing dilemma

> > >

> > >

> > > > Everyone Judges,

> > > > you are judging me for buying something made in china.

> > > >

> > > > I honestly have a hard time finding items that are made in

the

> > USA.

> > > > and when I do find them, I do support the US depending on the

> > > > circumstance..

> > > >

> > > > Some people, when they turn vegan, decide to finish the meat

> > that is

> > > > in their Freezer that is good for the next two months.

> (depending

> > on

> > > > how good your refrigerator is) so as not to waste that meat.

> > > >

> > > > during that interim period are they Vegan, or on their way to

> > veganism?

> > > >

> > > > -anouk

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > , peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi Anouk,

> > > > > If I cleaned out my closet every spring after a year or

> two I

> > > > wouldn't have any clothes left!, I am still wearing jeans

that

> > are 5

> > > > years old, shirts that are the same if not older etc, I

> generally

> > only

> > > > buy clothes in sales/second hand and then very rarely.

> > > > > I try not to buy clothes that are made from places like

> china

> > etc

> > > > as they could be sweatshop produced.

> > > > > I am sorry that you feel the need to label a vegan

> vegetarian

> > just

> > > > because they feel that they are being helpful by wearing out

> > existing

> > > > shoes, even if they only started going vegan and have not

> bought

> > any

> > > > animal products since then.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > To send an email to -

> >

> > > >

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ahs been holding back soem posts and doing weird things lately.

 

 

, " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork

wrote:

>

> ??? - I wonder where this 'post' came from?

>

> Jo

>

> , " heartwerk " <jo.heartwork@>

> wrote:

> >

> > , " angelikfiona "

> > <angelik_kitty_kat@> wrote:

> > >

> > > None of ym stuff is odler then a year because I lost it all in

a

> > fire.

> > >

> > >

> > > , " jo " <jo.heartwork@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > The skirt I wore today is ten years old - I reckon it will

last

> > at

> > > least

> > > > another ten years :-) I throw things away if they are worn

> out,

> > and

> > > > sometimes if I have bought clohtes that are then not

> comfortable

> > I

> > > will put

> > > > them in the Humana boxes.

> > > >

> > > > Jo

> > > >

> > > > -

> > > > " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx@>

> > > >

> > > > Monday, January 29, 2007 8:49 PM

> > > > Re: Re: clothing dilemma

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > > clean out my closet once a year?

> > > > > eep

> > > > > umm

> > > > > sorry..i can't afford to replace stuff that quick anouk

> > > > >

> > > > > i still have t-shirts from when i was like 15..........

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > >flower child <zurumato@>

> > > > > >Jan 29, 2007 1:09 PM

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Re: clothing dilemma

> > > > >

> > > > > >I clean out my closet at least once a year during spring.

> > Doesn't

> > > > > >everyone?

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every

rocket

> > > fired,

> > > > signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger

and

> > are

> > > not fed,

> > > > those who are cold and are not clothed. "

> > > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > To send an email to -

> > >

> > > > >

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I think we were more pondering the perhaps rethorical because

unanswerable question of what is veganism. Difficult.

No individual was visualized by me per se, but rather I (and you and

others) were laying general concepts on the table to which I

obviously wavered, but partook enrichfully. It resembled more a dilema

of what do we make of this tarot card dealt to us.

 

your friend,

-anouk

 

 

, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> Sorry Anouk,

> I know it aint perfect ideal vegan, but I couldnt care less, sorry

to shock you, and no offence meant, but at least I`m honest.

> I didnt pay for it, and I dont honestly think in my mind that I am

promoting the wearing of leather with this one item, so maybe I will

buy another vegan one to replace it, maybe I wont.......

>

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