Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I agree, it is important and I have been meaning to get a round tuit. Every so often I remind myself that I need to go buy some, but then I decide I've been getting enough from fortified foods, or from the unwashed vegs* from my own garden, or I just forget to look for them when I do happen to be in a store that sells them. The one time I did remember, I was faced with so many choices that I realized I had to go home and check the recommendations again (basically, take the 2000mcg once a week to begin with, then 10 mcg once a day; or, from fortified foods only, make sure the amount adds up to 3 mcg each day). Or maybe it's the sense that the world is going somewhere in a handbasket so rapidly that it's hard to look 20 or 50 years ahead. So to a large extent it's a psychological game, because intellectually I think I understand it. Any tips for self-persuasion? Or maybe I never developed the habit, because way back when I became vegan, Dr. Mcdougall and a couple others (when they spoke at conferences) were saying that they recommended B12 supplementation to patients, but that they did not take it themselves (or recommend it to family members) because they did not think it was crucial -- that whole argument about getting all your vitamins and minerals from real food. I know that since then, what with the head of the Amer. Vegan Soc. dying of a heart attack, nutritionists have looked further into the necessity of B12 supplementation and the homocysteine issue (as in the excellent article you sent) and many now say it's essential for vegans to supplement B12. It occurs to me that organizers of veg conferences and editors of veg publications would do well to emphasize B12 and omega-3s. Maybe produce " welcome vegan " kits with, say, a 1-month supply of each and info on why to continue with them. " Be a super vegan. " " How to live 10 years more AND do the most effective thing possible to reduce global warming. " *Re unwashed vegs: some years ago I read that vegetarian primates in zoos who were fed washed produce needed b12 supplementation, but those in the wild did not, and the difference was attributed to the soil bacteria eaten by wild apes. Re vitamin B12, jo wrote, >I have already said that I feel it is very important - if it adds a few >years to your life and avoids heart trouble it should be worth it. I know >when you are young you feel that you are invincible, but things catch up >with you when you get older. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed vegetables - but you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs etc. If you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will have pooped on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg unwashed. I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you do add up the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you change the brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is something you have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think that is the wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid and B6 are readily available in the vegan diet. Jo - <yarrow Friday, February 02, 2007 11:10 PM vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > I agree, it is important and I have been meaning to get a round tuit. > Every so often I remind myself that I need to go buy some, but then I > decide I've been getting enough from fortified foods, or from the > unwashed vegs* from my own garden, or I just forget to look for them > when I do happen to be in a store that sells them. The one time I did > remember, I was faced with so many choices that I realized I had to > go home and check the recommendations again (basically, take the > 2000mcg once a week to begin with, then 10 mcg once a day; or, from > fortified foods only, make sure the amount adds up to 3 mcg each > day). Or maybe it's the sense that the world is going somewhere in a > handbasket so rapidly that it's hard to look 20 or 50 years ahead. So > to a large extent it's a psychological game, because intellectually I > think I understand it. Any tips for self-persuasion? > > Or maybe I never developed the habit, because way back when I became > vegan, Dr. Mcdougall and a couple others (when they spoke at > conferences) were saying that they recommended B12 supplementation to > patients, but that they did not take it themselves (or recommend it > to family members) because they did not think it was crucial -- that > whole argument about getting all your vitamins and minerals from real > food. I know that since then, what with the head of the Amer. Vegan > Soc. dying of a heart attack, nutritionists have looked further into > the necessity of B12 supplementation and the homocysteine issue (as > in the excellent article you sent) and many now say it's essential > for vegans to supplement B12. > > It occurs to me that organizers of veg conferences and editors of veg > publications would do well to emphasize B12 and omega-3s. Maybe > produce " welcome vegan " kits with, say, a 1-month supply of each and > info on why to continue with them. " Be a super vegan. " " How to live > 10 years more AND do the most effective thing possible to reduce > global warming. " > > *Re unwashed vegs: some years ago I read that vegetarian primates in > zoos who were fed washed produce needed b12 supplementation, but > those in the wild did not, and the difference was attributed to the > soil bacteria eaten by wild apes. > > > Re vitamin B12, jo wrote, > >I have already said that I feel it is very important - if it adds a few > >years to your life and avoids heart trouble it should be worth it. I know > >when you are young you feel that you are invincible, but things catch up > >with you when you get older. > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside and wash it before i eat it???! that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... and foraging >jo <jo.heartwork >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed vegetables - but >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs etc. If >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will have pooped >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg >unwashed. > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you do add up >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you change the >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is something you >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think that is the >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid and B6 are >readily available in the vegan diet. > >Jo > >- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " -- Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Double yuk!!! Jo - " *mona " <ahnochirah Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???! > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > > > and foraging > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg > > >unwashed. > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are > > >readily available in the vegan diet. > > > > > >Jo > > > > > >- > > > > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " > > -- Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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