Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I would appreciate some civility please and don't appreciate being told where to go and live. Jo , " angelikfiona " <angelik_kitty_kat wrote: > > Yes, i agree, thats just being over paranoid. > > If you are that worried about germs and dirt, go live in a plastic > bubble. > > > , peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but > fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried > about that?. > > > > The Valley Vegan.................... > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > No - for the reasons I gave before. > > > > Jo > > - > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them > without washing, havent you ? > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............ > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over > and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over > the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'. > > > > Jo > > - > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > I think he was joking? > > > > to a certain extent. > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > Double yuk!!! > > > > Jo > > > > - > > " *mona " <ahnochirah@> > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM > > vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > > > *mona > > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden > inside > > > and wash it before i eat it???! > > > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > > > > > > > and foraging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@> > > > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > > vegetables - but > > > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms > eggs > > > etc. If > > > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > > > have pooped > > > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > > > any veg > > > > >unwashed. > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing > you > > > do add up > > > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > > change the > > > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > > something you > > > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I > think > > > that is the > > > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > > > and B6 are > > > > >readily available in the vegan diet. > > > > > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " > > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hi *Mona I hope the test goes well. Jo - " *mona " <ahnochirah Monday, February 05, 2007 1:00 PM vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > I think you're right Jo. Since I'm having a check-up soon and I > think I'll ask to have my B12 checked. > > One of the reasons I enjoy this group is that I run across > information I would not know otherwise. > > Thanks, > *mona > > , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > > > YOu must have been short of some mineral or B12. > > > > Jo > > > > - > > " *mona " <ahnochirah > > > > Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:28 PM > > vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > When I was 5 years old I had an overwhelming desire to eat dirt; > > > that lasted for a full summer then it went away. I always > wondered > > > why that happened. Maybe I was low on B12 ... > > > > > > *mona > > > > > > , peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, > but > > > fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so > worried > > > about that?. > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan.................... > > > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > No - for the reasons I gave before. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > - > > > > peter VV > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM > > > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > > > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten > them > > > without washing, havent you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............ > > > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying > over > > > and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling > over > > > the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just > > > repeat 'yuk'. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > - > > > > peter VV > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM > > > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > > > > I think he was joking? > > > > > > > > to a certain extent. > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > Double yuk!!! > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > - > > > > " *mona " <ahnochirah@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM > > > > vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > > > > > > > *mona > > > > > > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden > > > inside > > > > > and wash it before i eat it???! > > > > > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > > > > > > > > > > > and foraging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@> > > > > > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > > > > vegetables - but > > > > > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, > worms > > > eggs > > > > > etc. If > > > > > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they > > > will > > > > > have pooped > > > > > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish > > > eating > > > > > any veg > > > > > > >unwashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods > providing > > > you > > > > > do add up > > > > > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if > you > > > > > change the > > > > > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It > is > > > > > something you > > > > > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I > > > think > > > > > that is the > > > > > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic > > > acid > > > > > and B6 are > > > > > > >readily available in the vegan diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every > rocket > > > > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who > > > hunger > > > > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " > > > > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Maybe you do, as long as you are not aiming that at anyone on here? I still maintain that it is not always necessary to wash anything grown above ground, unless they have visible contamination if you have grown it yourself. The Valley Vegan...............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: All that you have said still leads me to believe that you would be better off washing everything. May I ask why you don't wash? I know someone who admits it is just pure laziness.Jo , yarrow wrote:>> [big smiley face]> > I really don't worry about anything I might pick up in my veganic > garden. Certainly not E. coli (no cows, no cow manure)! We did have a > cat who patrolled for roof rats, but I never found cat poop anywhere.> > Insects? They're everywhere, and if I wanted to worry about insect > poop or footprints, I'd be more concerned about produce from the > store, or even from the farmers' market, since those insects have > probably picked up minute quantities of human pathogens from all the > handling etc. (not to mention actual human hands, crawling with > pathogens, that have handled it at various stages of picking, > packing, setting out for sale, shopping).> > And that's just for the organically grown produce. The majority of > pesticides cannot even be washed off, if you're not buying strictly > organic.> > As for dog poop, well, as with anyone else who has a dog, I handle it > several times a day anyway (albeit separated from my hands with a > couple layers of plastic or a 4-ft. pole), and of course I breathe it > in several times a day. (You do know that if you can smell a > substance, you're actually breathing in particles of it?) The dog > poop isn't anywhere near my garden, though.> > Planes dumping their fuel? That means it's already in the air and > water. So by washing it, there's an infinitesimal chance you might > even be adding to the toxic load.> > Bird poop? I've been pooped on by birds, and I survived. I can see > any bird poop on my tomatoes, since I live in a climate where it does > not rain in the summer, so I either compost the tomato (if it's a > cherry tomato) or else rinse it off.> > Anyway, this is all to say that I don't worry about any of this, and > anything from my garden has a much much lower yuck factor than > anything I might buy. In the big picture, what is worth paying > attention to is the basic stuff, such as hand washing after going to > the bathroom, staying away from the most-toxic produce (the > Environmental Working Group has published lists of which have the > most and least pesticide residues, and last Feb. Consumer Reports > used this data to recommend what's worth buying organic), favoring > organically grown as much as possible (some studies have shown OG > produce is more nutritious and tastes better), and, of course, eating > lots of fruits and vegetables.> > > jo wrote,> I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and > pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the > dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'.> > Jo> > -> <swpgh01peter VV> I think he was joking?> to a certain extent.> > jo <<jo.heartworkjo.heartwork wrote:> Double yuk!!!> > -> "*mona" <<ahnochirahahnochirah> > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ...> >> > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden> > inside and wash it before i eat it???!> > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > and foraging> > >> > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed> > vegetables - but you can also get other things from them - like> > > >e-coli, worms eggs etc. If you have birds, cats or wild animals> > > >in the vicinity they will have pooped on your vegetables> > > >sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg unwashed.>Peter H New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Angel, I hope that "go live in a plastic bubble" comment was a general comment , and not aimed as an insult to anyone on here? We are all entitled to an opinion, and have different views on such things? The Valley Vegan..............angelikfiona <angelik_kitty_kat wrote: Yes, i agree, thats just being over paranoid.If you are that worried about germs and dirt, go live in a plastic bubble. , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried about that?.> > The Valley Vegan.................... > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> No - for the reasons I gave before.> > Jo> - > peter VV > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM> Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ?> > > The Valley Vegan............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'.> > Jo> - > peter VV > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM> Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > I think he was joking?> > to a certain extent.> > The Valley Vegan.............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> Double yuk!!!> > Jo> > - > "*mona" <ahnochirah> > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM> vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > *mona> > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > >> > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > > and wash it before i eat it???!> > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > vegetables - but> > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > > etc. If> > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > > have pooped> > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > > any veg> > > >unwashed.> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > > do add up> > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > change the> > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > something you> > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > > that is the> > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > > and B6 are> > > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > > >> > > >Jo> > > >> > > >-> > > >> > > > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> > >> > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 At 5 years old, it would be hard to analyse any urge, I certainly wouldnt make a statement that it MUST have been a deficiency of anything? The Valley Vegan................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: YOu must have been short of some mineral or B12.Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:28 PM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> When I was 5 years old I had an overwhelming desire to eat dirt; > that lasted for a full summer then it went away. I always wondered > why that happened. Maybe I was low on B12 ...> > *mona > > , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:> >> > Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but > fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried > about that?.> > > > The Valley Vegan.................... > > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> > No - for the reasons I gave before.> > > > Jo> > ----- Original Message ----- > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM> > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them > without washing, havent you ?> > > > > > The Valley Vegan............> > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> > I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over > and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over > the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just > repeat 'yuk'.> > > > Jo> > - > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM> > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > > > I think he was joking?> > > > to a certain extent.> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> > Double yuk!!!> > > > Jo> > > > - > > "*mona" <ahnochirah> > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM> > vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > > > *mona> > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > > >> > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden > inside > > > and wash it before i eat it???!> > > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > > > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > >> > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > > vegetables - but> > > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms > eggs > > > etc. If> > > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they > will > > > have pooped> > > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish > eating > > > any veg> > > > >unwashed.> > > > >> > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing > you > > > do add up> > > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > > change the> > > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > > something you> > > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I > think > > > that is the> > > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic > acid > > > and B6 are> > > > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > > > >> > > > >Jo> > > > >> > > > >-> > > > >> > > > > > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who > hunger > > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to -> > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB > storage with All New Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free > analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Mail > Championship. > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB > storage with All New Mail.> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I dont think that there is a great enough risk or chance of shortening it as you say, or else I would be worried about it to the extent that I would wash everything. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Why take the chance of shortening it further then :-) Jo - peter VV Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:21 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I`m glad its not just me, lifes too short sometimes to worry too much about this stuff. The Valley Vegan.............*mona <ahnochirah > wrote: I'm guilty of this too. *mona , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ?> > > The Valley Vegan............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'.> > Jo> - > peter VV > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM> Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > I think he was joking?> > to a certain extent.> > The Valley Vegan.............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> Double yuk!!!> > Jo> > - > "*mona" <ahnochirah> > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM> vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > *mona> > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > >> > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > > and wash it before i eat it???!> > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > vegetables - but> > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > > etc. If> > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > > have pooped> > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > > any veg> > > >unwashed.> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > > do add up> > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > change the> > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > something you> > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > > that is the> > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > > and B6 are> > > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > > >> > > >Jo> > > >> > > >-> > > >> > > > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> > >> > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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