Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I e-mailed Ecover and this was their response: Hello Peter, Thank you for your enquiry which has come through to the Ecover press office. Ecover do have an extensive policy on animal testing which I have included for you below. This is also available on our website in the Frequently Asked Questions section which also contains lots of other information on key issues. I hope this answers your questions fully. Kind regards, Kat Kat Forse Bray Leino | The Blue House, Clifton Down, Clifton, Bristol, BS8 3HTTel 0117 9731173 | DDI 0117 9064522 | Fax 0117 9064542Email kforse | www.brayleino.co.uk This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The statement and opinions expressed in this mail message are those of the writer, and do not necessarily represent those of Bray Leino. Registered office Bray Leino Ltd, Filleigh, Devon, EX32 0RX | Registered in England No.1352705 | Tel 01598 760700 | mail Animal products & Animal testingAnimal products Our products do not contain animal derivatives. The only exception is Milk whey which is included in Ecover Camomile and Marigold washing up liquid. Apart from this one washing up liquid, all Ecover products carry the Vegan Society label, which means that a leading vegan organisation deems them suitable for consumers who do not wish to use products containing animal ingredients. An alternative vegan washing up liquid, Lemon and Aloe Vera, has, however, been developed and was launched in 1997. Animal experimentsFrom the outset, Ecover has never tested ingredients or products on animals, nor commissioned such tests, and it has always been candid about it. In our opinion, animal testing to assess environmental and health risks is unnecessary. Ecover is a pioneering company whose cleaning products are produced with the objective of minimising their impact on the environment. Ecover products are developed using formulations based on renewable plant, and widely available mineral ingredients as an alternative to the petro-chemical based brands which currently dominate the market. All Ecover ingredients, therefore, are chosen to ensure that our products achieve the lowest possible toxicity and the most rapid and complete biodegradability to minimise the impact on the environment and all life forms. Because of these demanding objectives and because Ecover is the leading company in this, Ecover is working with a higher proportion of new ingredients which can offer improved overall environmental advantages to the benefit of all forms of life, whether human, animal or plant. Alternatives to Animal Testing For a long time, Ecover has been using alternative testing methods based on bacteria, algae and red blood cells to evaluate the possible environmental and health risks posed by various products. Since we also expect the same level of commitment from our suppliers, we ask them for an annual statement confirming that the materials they supply to us have not been tested on animals. What is significant in this respect is not so much our control but on-going encouragement to keep looking for reliable alternatives. Actual PolicyIn line with ECOVER’s environmental policy and in recognition of the strong beliefs held by animal welfare organisations, we offer a clearly defined animal testing policy: since their foundation in 1980 ECOVER have never tested any finished products or ingredients on animals, nor have they ordered such tests by third parties for research and product development ECOVER use alternative methods of testing only. For Example – RBC (Red blood cell test) all Ecover suppliers are required to submit an annual written confirmation for each ingredient that no animal tests have been conducted on it. These statements guarantee that none of the ingredients have been tested or re-tested for the last five years Ecover will continue to pressure all suppliers to ban animal testing Ecover is not a member of BIBRA to reflect the development of Ecover’s animal testing policy Ecover supports FRAME (Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments) Ecover and a Fixed Cut Off DateEcover continually strive to improve their product range against all of their exacting criteria - These include sustainability of ingredients, achieving low aquatic toxicity, effective primary degradation, High skin compatibility and good ultimate (secondary) degradation. In addition the products must also perform and be available at a realistic price. To achieve this Ecover are continually developing and testing new ingredients. We do not perform these tests on animals and employ alternative methods. For these ingredients to be included in a product, ingredient suppliers are forced by international law to prove their innocuity. The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date. For example, in March 2002 Ecover introduced Ecover Squirteco – a ready to use all purpose cleaner. The product was developed using a new generation of ingredients – bio-surfactants. Ecover have tested the product and its ingredients extensively using alternative methods. However a fixed cut off date would have prevented its introduction. Ecover believe that by operating the five year rolling rule we are upholding our beliefs – we are honest and integral in our approach and will continue to pioneer for the future. 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Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi Peter They have said that they have a five-year rolling cut-off for ingredients tested on animals - because otherwise they would not be able to use new ingredients! This means that they do in effect support animal experiments. Maybe the Uncaged website will offer an explanation that makes the point better than me. Jo " The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date. " , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > I e-mailed Ecover and this was their response: > Hello Peter, > > Thank you for your enquiry which has come through to the Ecover press office. > > Ecover do have an extensive policy on animal testing which I have included for you below. This is also available on our website in the Frequently Asked Questions section which also contains lots of other information on key issues. > > I hope this answers your questions fully. > > Kind regards, > > Kat > > Kat Forse > Bray Leino | The Blue House, Clifton Down, Clifton, Bristol, BS8 3HT > Tel 0117 9731173 | DDI 0117 9064522 | Fax 0117 9064542 > Email kforse | www.brayleino.co.uk > This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The statement and opinions expressed in this mail message are those of the writer, and do not necessarily represent those of Bray Leino. > Registered office Bray Leino Ltd, Filleigh, Devon, EX32 0RX | Registered in England No.1352705 | Tel 01598 760700 | mail > > > Animal products & Animal testingAnimal products > > Our products do not contain animal derivatives. The only exception is Milk whey which is included in Ecover Camomile and Marigold washing up liquid. Apart from this one washing up liquid, all Ecover products carry the Vegan Society label, which means that a leading vegan organisation deems them suitable for consumers who do not wish to use products containing animal ingredients. An alternative vegan washing up liquid, Lemon and Aloe Vera, has, however, been developed and was launched in 1997. > > > Animal experiments > > From the outset, Ecover has never tested ingredients or products on animals, nor commissioned such tests, and it has always been candid about it. In our opinion, animal testing to assess environmental and health risks is unnecessary. > > Ecover is a pioneering company whose cleaning products are produced with the objective of minimising their impact on the environment. Ecover products are developed using formulations based on renewable plant, and widely available mineral ingredients as an alternative to the petro-chemical based brands which currently dominate the market. > > All Ecover ingredients, therefore, are chosen to ensure that our products achieve the lowest possible toxicity and the most rapid and complete biodegradability to minimise the impact on the environment and all life forms. > > Because of these demanding objectives and because Ecover is the leading company in this, Ecover is working with a higher proportion of new ingredients which can offer improved overall environmental advantages to the benefit of all forms of life, whether human, animal or plant. > > Alternatives to Animal Testing > > For a long time, Ecover has been using alternative testing methods based on bacteria, algae and red blood cells to evaluate the possible environmental and health risks posed by various products. Since we also expect the same level of commitment from our suppliers, we ask them for an annual statement confirming that the materials they supply to us have not been tested on animals. What is significant in this respect is not so much our control but on-going encouragement to keep looking for reliable alternatives. > > Actual Policy > > In line with ECOVER's environmental policy and in recognition of the strong beliefs held by animal welfare organisations, we offer a clearly defined animal testing policy: > > since their foundation in 1980 ECOVER have never tested any finished products or ingredients on animals, nor have they ordered such tests by third parties > for research and product development ECOVER use alternative methods of testing only. For Example – RBC (Red blood cell test) > all Ecover suppliers are required to submit an annual written confirmation for each ingredient that no animal tests have been conducted on it. These statements guarantee that none of the ingredients have been tested or re-tested for the last five years > Ecover will continue to pressure all suppliers to ban animal testing > Ecover is not a member of BIBRA > to reflect the development of Ecover's animal testing policy Ecover supports FRAME (Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments) > > Ecover and a Fixed Cut Off Date > > Ecover continually strive to improve their product range against all of their exacting criteria - These include sustainability of ingredients, achieving low aquatic toxicity, effective primary degradation, High skin compatibility and good ultimate (secondary) degradation. In addition the products must also perform and be available at a realistic price. To achieve this Ecover are continually developing and testing new ingredients. We do not perform these tests on animals and employ alternative methods. > > For these ingredients to be included in a product, ingredient suppliers are forced by international law to prove their innocuity. > > The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date. > > For example, in March 2002 Ecover introduced Ecover Squirteco – a ready to use all purpose cleaner. The product was developed using a new generation of ingredients – bio-surfactants. Ecover have tested the product and its ingredients extensively using alternative methods. However a fixed cut off date would have prevented its introduction. > > Ecover believe that by operating the five year rolling rule we are upholding our beliefs – we are honest and integral in our approach and will continue to pioneer for the future. > > > > > Peter H > > > > > New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi Peter See, my problem with this is the whole 5 year rolling rule. What they are effectively saying is that they do support animal testing, but just won't use ingredients until 5 years have passed. It still creates a demand for animal testing, and allows companies to use animal testing for their ingredients without any significant barrier to the market-place. I wouldn't say " I'm not going to buy a leg of lamb unless the animal was killed more than 6 months ago " , because it would still be against my ethics to contribute to the demand for meat products... BB Peter On 05/02/07, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: I e-mailed Ecover and this was their response: Hello Peter, Thank you for your enquiry which has come through to the Ecover press office. Ecover do have an extensive policy on animal testing which I have included for you below. This is also available on our website in the Frequently Asked Questions section which also contains lots of other information on key issues. I hope this answers your questions fully. Kind regards, Kat Kat Forse Bray Leino | The Blue House, Clifton Down, Clifton, Bristol, BS8 3HT Tel 0117 9731173 | DDI 0117 9064522 | Fax 0117 9064542 Email kforse | www.brayleino.co.uk This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The statement and opinions expressed in this mail message are those of the writer, and do not necessarily represent those of Bray Leino. Registered office Bray Leino Ltd, Filleigh, Devon, EX32 0RX | Registered in England No.1352705 | Tel 01598 760700 | mail Animal products & Animal testingAnimal products Our products do not contain animal derivatives. The only exception is Milk whey which is included in Ecover Camomile and Marigold washing up liquid. Apart from this one washing up liquid, all Ecover products carry the Vegan Society label, which means that a leading vegan organisation deems them suitable for consumers who do not wish to use products containing animal ingredients. An alternative vegan washing up liquid, Lemon and Aloe Vera, has, however, been developed and was launched in 1997. Animal experimentsFrom the outset, Ecover has never tested ingredients or products on animals, nor commissioned such tests, and it has always been candid about it. In our opinion, animal testing to assess environmental and health risks is unnecessary. Ecover is a pioneering company whose cleaning products are produced with the objective of minimising their impact on the environment. Ecover products are developed using formulations based on renewable plant, and widely available mineral ingredients as an alternative to the petro-chemical based brands which currently dominate the market. All Ecover ingredients, therefore, are chosen to ensure that our products achieve the lowest possible toxicity and the most rapid and complete biodegradability to minimise the impact on the environment and all life forms. Because of these demanding objectives and because Ecover is the leading company in this, Ecover is working with a higher proportion of new ingredients which can offer improved overall environmental advantages to the benefit of all forms of life, whether human, animal or plant. Alternatives to Animal Testing For a long time, Ecover has been using alternative testing methods based on bacteria, algae and red blood cells to evaluate the possible environmental and health risks posed by various products. Since we also expect the same level of commitment from our suppliers, we ask them for an annual statement confirming that the materials they supply to us have not been tested on animals. What is significant in this respect is not so much our control but on-going encouragement to keep looking for reliable alternatives. Actual PolicyIn line with ECOVER's environmental policy and in recognition of the strong beliefs held by animal welfare organisations, we offer a clearly defined animal testing policy: since their foundation in 1980 ECOVER have never tested any finished products or ingredients on animals, nor have they ordered such tests by third parties for research and product development ECOVER use alternative methods of testing only. For Example – RBC (Red blood cell test) all Ecover suppliers are required to submit an annual written confirmation for each ingredient that no animal tests have been conducted on it. These statements guarantee that none of the ingredients have been tested or re-tested for the last five years Ecover will continue to pressure all suppliers to ban animal testing Ecover is not a member of BIBRA to reflect the development of Ecover's animal testing policy Ecover supports FRAME (Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments) Ecover and a Fixed Cut Off Date Ecover continually strive to improve their product range against all of their exacting criteria - These include sustainability of ingredients, achieving low aquatic toxicity, effective primary degradation, High skin compatibility and good ultimate (secondary) degradation. In addition the products must also perform and be available at a realistic price. To achieve this Ecover are continually developing and testing new ingredients. We do not perform these tests on animals and employ alternative methods. For these ingredients to be included in a product, ingredient suppliers are forced by international law to prove their innocuity. The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date. For example, in March 2002 Ecover introduced Ecover Squirteco – a ready to use all purpose cleaner. The product was developed using a new generation of ingredients – bio-surfactants. Ecover have tested the product and its ingredients extensively using alternative methods. However a fixed cut off date would have prevented its introduction. Ecover believe that by operating the five year rolling rule we are upholding our beliefs – we are honest and integral in our approach and will continue to pioneer for the future. Peter H New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Thahnks Peter - your explanation is better than mine, and may save people ahving to visit the Uncaged site :-) BBJo - Peter Kebbell Tuesday, February 06, 2007 9:48 AM Re: Ecover Hi Peter See, my problem with this is the whole 5 year rolling rule. What they are effectively saying is that they do support animal testing, but just won't use ingredients until 5 years have passed. It still creates a demand for animal testing, and allows companies to use animal testing for their ingredients without any significant barrier to the market-place. I wouldn't say "I'm not going to buy a leg of lamb unless the animal was killed more than 6 months ago", because it would still be against my ethics to contribute to the demand for meat products... BB Peter On 05/02/07, peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: I e-mailed Ecover and this was their response: Hello Peter, Thank you for your enquiry which has come through to the Ecover press office. Ecover do have an extensive policy on animal testing which I have included for you below. This is also available on our website in the Frequently Asked Questions section which also contains lots of other information on key issues. I hope this answers your questions fully. Kind regards, Kat Kat Forse Bray Leino | The Blue House, Clifton Down, Clifton, Bristol, BS8 3HT Tel 0117 9731173 | DDI 0117 9064522 | Fax 0117 9064542Email kforse | www.brayleino.co.uk This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The statement and opinions expressed in this mail message are those of the writer, and do not necessarily represent those of Bray Leino. Registered office Bray Leino Ltd, Filleigh, Devon, EX32 0RX | Registered in England No.1352705 | Tel 01598 760700 | mail Animal products & Animal testingAnimal products Our products do not contain animal derivatives. The only exception is Milk whey which is included in Ecover Camomile and Marigold washing up liquid. Apart from this one washing up liquid, all Ecover products carry the Vegan Society label, which means that a leading vegan organisation deems them suitable for consumers who do not wish to use products containing animal ingredients. An alternative vegan washing up liquid, Lemon and Aloe Vera, has, however, been developed and was launched in 1997. Animal experimentsFrom the outset, Ecover has never tested ingredients or products on animals, nor commissioned such tests, and it has always been candid about it. In our opinion, animal testing to assess environmental and health risks is unnecessary. Ecover is a pioneering company whose cleaning products are produced with the objective of minimising their impact on the environment. Ecover products are developed using formulations based on renewable plant, and widely available mineral ingredients as an alternative to the petro-chemical based brands which currently dominate the market. All Ecover ingredients, therefore, are chosen to ensure that our products achieve the lowest possible toxicity and the most rapid and complete biodegradability to minimise the impact on the environment and all life forms. Because of these demanding objectives and because Ecover is the leading company in this, Ecover is working with a higher proportion of new ingredients which can offer improved overall environmental advantages to the benefit of all forms of life, whether human, animal or plant. Alternatives to Animal Testing For a long time, Ecover has been using alternative testing methods based on bacteria, algae and red blood cells to evaluate the possible environmental and health risks posed by various products. Since we also expect the same level of commitment from our suppliers, we ask them for an annual statement confirming that the materials they supply to us have not been tested on animals. What is significant in this respect is not so much our control but on-going encouragement to keep looking for reliable alternatives. Actual PolicyIn line with ECOVER's environmental policy and in recognition of the strong beliefs held by animal welfare organisations, we offer a clearly defined animal testing policy: since their foundation in 1980 ECOVER have never tested any finished products or ingredients on animals, nor have they ordered such tests by third parties for research and product development ECOVER use alternative methods of testing only. For Example – RBC (Red blood cell test) all Ecover suppliers are required to submit an annual written confirmation for each ingredient that no animal tests have been conducted on it. These statements guarantee that none of the ingredients have been tested or re-tested for the last five years Ecover will continue to pressure all suppliers to ban animal testing Ecover is not a member of BIBRA to reflect the development of Ecover's animal testing policy Ecover supports FRAME (Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments) Ecover and a Fixed Cut Off Date Ecover continually strive to improve their product range against all of their exacting criteria - These include sustainability of ingredients, achieving low aquatic toxicity, effective primary degradation, High skin compatibility and good ultimate (secondary) degradation. In addition the products must also perform and be available at a realistic price. To achieve this Ecover are continually developing and testing new ingredients. We do not perform these tests on animals and employ alternative methods. For these ingredients to be included in a product, ingredient suppliers are forced by international law to prove their innocuity. The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date. For example, in March 2002 Ecover introduced Ecover Squirteco – a ready to use all purpose cleaner. The product was developed using a new generation of ingredients – bio-surfactants. Ecover have tested the product and its ingredients extensively using alternative methods. However a fixed cut off date would have prevented its introduction. Ecover believe that by operating the five year rolling rule we are upholding our beliefs – we are honest and integral in our approach and will continue to pioneer for the future. Peter H New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I see your point and have passed your comments back. I dont know if we will get a response, but if we do I will let you know. The Valley Vegan............Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter See, my problem with this is the whole 5 year rolling rule. What they are effectively saying is that they do support animal testing, but just won't use ingredients until 5 years have passed. It still creates a demand for animal testing, and allows companies to use animal testing for their ingredients without any significant barrier to the market-place. I wouldn't say "I'm not going to buy a leg of lamb unless the animal was killed more than 6 months ago", because it would still be against my ethics to contribute to the demand for meat products... BB Peter On 05/02/07, peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: I e-mailed Ecover and this was their response: Hello Peter, Thank you for your enquiry which has come through to the Ecover press office. Ecover do have an extensive policy on animal testing which I have included for you below. This is also available on our website in the Frequently Asked Questions section which also contains lots of other information on key issues. I hope this answers your questions fully. Kind regards, Kat Kat Forse Bray Leino | The Blue House, Clifton Down, Clifton, Bristol, BS8 3HT Tel 0117 9731173 | DDI 0117 9064522 | Fax 0117 9064542Email kforse (AT) brayleino (DOT) co.uk | www.brayleino.co.uk This e-mail and any files transmitted with it are confidential and are intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you are not the intended recipient or the person responsible for delivering the e-mail to the intended recipient be advised that you have received this e-mail in error and that any use, dissemination, forwarding, printing or copying of this e-mail is strictly prohibited. The statement and opinions expressed in this mail message are those of the writer, and do not necessarily represent those of Bray Leino. Registered office Bray Leino Ltd, Filleigh, Devon, EX32 0RX | Registered in England No.1352705 | Tel 01598 760700 | mail (AT) brayleino (DOT) co.uk Animal products & Animal testingAnimal products Our products do not contain animal derivatives. The only exception is Milk whey which is included in Ecover Camomile and Marigold washing up liquid. Apart from this one washing up liquid, all Ecover products carry the Vegan Society label, which means that a leading vegan organisation deems them suitable for consumers who do not wish to use products containing animal ingredients. An alternative vegan washing up liquid, Lemon and Aloe Vera, has, however, been developed and was launched in 1997. Animal experimentsFrom the outset, Ecover has never tested ingredients or products on animals, nor commissioned such tests, and it has always been candid about it. In our opinion, animal testing to assess environmental and health risks is unnecessary. Ecover is a pioneering company whose cleaning products are produced with the objective of minimising their impact on the environment. Ecover products are developed using formulations based on renewable plant, and widely available mineral ingredients as an alternative to the petro-chemical based brands which currently dominate the market. All Ecover ingredients, therefore, are chosen to ensure that our products achieve the lowest possible toxicity and the most rapid and complete biodegradability to minimise the impact on the environment and all life forms. Because of these demanding objectives and because Ecover is the leading company in this, Ecover is working with a higher proportion of new ingredients which can offer improved overall environmental advantages to the benefit of all forms of life, whether human, animal or plant. Alternatives to Animal Testing For a long time, Ecover has been using alternative testing methods based on bacteria, algae and red blood cells to evaluate the possible environmental and health risks posed by various products. Since we also expect the same level of commitment from our suppliers, we ask them for an annual statement confirming that the materials they supply to us have not been tested on animals. What is significant in this respect is not so much our control but on-going encouragement to keep looking for reliable alternatives. Actual PolicyIn line with ECOVER's environmental policy and in recognition of the strong beliefs held by animal welfare organisations, we offer a clearly defined animal testing policy: since their foundation in 1980 ECOVER have never tested any finished products or ingredients on animals, nor have they ordered such tests by third parties for research and product development ECOVER use alternative methods of testing only. For Example – RBC (Red blood cell test) all Ecover suppliers are required to submit an annual written confirmation for each ingredient that no animal tests have been conducted on it. These statements guarantee that none of the ingredients have been tested or re-tested for the last five years Ecover will continue to pressure all suppliers to ban animal testing Ecover is not a member of BIBRA to reflect the development of Ecover's animal testing policy Ecover supports FRAME (Fund for the Replacement of Animals in Medical Experiments) Ecover and a Fixed Cut Off Date Ecover continually strive to improve their product range against all of their exacting criteria - These include sustainability of ingredients, achieving low aquatic toxicity, effective primary degradation, High skin compatibility and good ultimate (secondary) degradation. In addition the products must also perform and be available at a realistic price. To achieve this Ecover are continually developing and testing new ingredients. We do not perform these tests on animals and employ alternative methods. For these ingredients to be included in a product, ingredient suppliers are forced by international law to prove their innocuity. The introduction of a fixed cut off date at this stage would prevent Ecover from using these new ingredients and advances in their products which are developed in order to further benefit the environment. This is because a fixed cut off date prevents a company from introducing any ingredients that have been developed after this date. For example, in March 2002 Ecover introduced Ecover Squirteco – a ready to use all purpose cleaner. The product was developed using a new generation of ingredients – bio-surfactants. Ecover have tested the product and its ingredients extensively using alternative methods. However a fixed cut off date would have prevented its introduction. Ecover believe that by operating the five year rolling rule we are upholding our beliefs – we are honest and integral in our approach and will continue to pioneer for the future. 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Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Hi Peter That's good news (that vegan Society is no longer letting them use the mark, not the fact that they're still using a five year rule). Inicdentally, for anyone who wants to find a good animal-friendly, environmental alternative to Ecover, I have found Bio-D is very good. Just one quick question... what's Daphnia? BB Peter - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2007 Report Share Posted August 11, 2007 Hi Peter What are you doing with internet access this evening ???? BBJo - metalscarab Saturday, August 11, 2007 9:47 PM Re: Ecover Hi Peter That's good news (that vegan Society is no longer letting them use the mark, not the fact that they're still using a five year rule). Inicdentally, for anyone who wants to find a good animal-friendly, environmental alternative to Ecover, I have found Bio-D is very good. Just one quick question... what's Daphnia? BB Peter - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 water fleas........... The Valley Vegan............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter That's good news (that vegan Society is no longer letting them use the mark, not the fact that they're still using a five year rule). Inicdentally, for anyone who wants to find a good animal-friendly, environmental alternative to Ecover, I have found Bio-D is very good. Just one quick question... what's Daphnia? BB Peter - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Ecover uses the water fleas - between 0.2mm and 5mm long - to test the effects of detergents on aquatic life. According to Ecover, the microscopic crustacean - scientific name Daphnia - found in rivers, streams, lakes and ponds, isn't actually an animal. Certainly it's not covered by EU animal-testing rules which are limited to vertebrates past a specified embryonic stage. But the Vegan Society members consider water fleas - named for their jumping style of swimming - as "part of the animal kingdom". Chief executive Nigel Winter said: "We have mutually agreed with Ecover to withdraw our registration because they are not meeting our criteria." Products by Ecover is set to be stripped of its prized Vegan Society mark In correspondence with the Vegan Society, Ecover, which has won a string of awards for its ethical values, said it used water fleas in toxicity testing as "there are no alternative tests that will more accurately measure the impact of cleaning products on the aquatic environment." The firm also admitted taking blood from farmed rabbits for tests. The Vegan Society says it should come from human volunteers. Ecover responded by saying: "Given the shortage of human blood cells, we believe this would be unethical." The Ecover statement added: "Ecover respects the values of the Vegan Society and its members. "Yet, as part of the company's core values, Ecover owes its customers transparency. "Thus, our organisations have mutually decided to disagree on these points of principle and, consequently, Ecover shall no longer carry the Vegan trademark." Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Hi PeterAnd yet Bio-D manage to produce equally environmentally friendly cleaning products, which actually do a better job, without using any animal testing. If Ecover were the only option, then I'd agree it's better than the major companies like Unilever, but since Bio-D does a better job, it seems rather silly not to encourage Ecover to follow their lead by putting our purchasing power behind the more ethical of the two companies! BBPeterOn 12/08/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven't heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because: · they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112 ..And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now! _ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 12, 2007 Report Share Posted August 12, 2007 Hi Peter I would rather use products that aren't tested on animals. Jo - Peter VV Sunday, August 12, 2007 7:38 PM Re: Ecover Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 Fair comment, and I totally understand. But what about the current vegan product range which hasnt been tested on animals, and has no animal ingredients? Arent they talking about product developement? or have I got the wrong end of the stick? just trying to get my head around this. The Valley Vegan................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter I would rather use products that aren't tested on animals. Jo - Peter VV Sunday, August 12, 2007 7:38 PM Re: Ecover Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 I shall give BIO-D a go ( the laundry liquid doesnt smell very nice does it?- maybe I will add some lavender to it). I did try the washing up liquid a while ago, and didnt think much of it. I still have a few litres of ecover left to use up first. I thought you may have gone up to Heathrow? The Valley Vegan..............Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Hi PeterAnd yet Bio-D manage to produce equally environmentally friendly cleaning products, which actually do a better job, without using any animal testing. If Ecover were the only option, then I'd agree it's better than the major companies like Unilever, but since Bio-D does a better job, it seems rather silly not to encourage Ecover to follow their lead by putting our purchasing power behind the more ethical of the two companies! BBPeter On 12/08/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven't heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because: · they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112 .And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now! _ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2007 Report Share Posted August 13, 2007 I don't think they need any further development - they work already. Jo - Peter VV Monday, August 13, 2007 6:29 PM Re: Ecover Fair comment, and I totally understand. But what about the current vegan product range which hasnt been tested on animals, and has no animal ingredients? Arent they talking about product developement? or have I got the wrong end of the stick? just trying to get my head around this. The Valley Vegan................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter I would rather use products that aren't tested on animals. Jo - Peter VV Sunday, August 12, 2007 7:38 PM Re: Ecover Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven’t heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because:· they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112.And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now!_ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Hi PeterI must admit to not having a very good sense of smell... but we often add a drop of tea tree oil to the laundry anyway...The Climate Change camp clashed with a Pagan gathering I was going to, so couldn't make it - but it looks like things are going well :-) BBPeterOn 13/08/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: I shall give BIO-D a go ( the laundry liquid doesnt smell very nice does it?- maybe I will add some lavender to it). I did try the washing up liquid a while ago, and didnt think much of it. I still have a few litres of ecover left to use up first. I thought you may have gone up to Heathrow? The Valley Vegan..............Peter Kebbell < metalscarab wrote: Hi PeterAnd yet Bio-D manage to produce equally environmentally friendly cleaning products, which actually do a better job, without using any animal testing. If Ecover were the only option, then I'd agree it's better than the major companies like Unilever, but since Bio-D does a better job, it seems rather silly not to encourage Ecover to follow their lead by putting our purchasing power behind the more ethical of the two companies! BBPeter On 12/08/07, Peter VV < swpgh01 wrote: Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan................. jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven't heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because: · they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112 .And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now! _ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 14, 2007 Report Share Posted August 14, 2007 Yep everything seems on track for the weekend. Doesnt the oil hamper the detergent? where was the gathering? hope you had good weather for it. The Valley Vegan............Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Hi PeterI must admit to not having a very good sense of smell... but we often add a drop of tea tree oil to the laundry anyway...The Climate Change camp clashed with a Pagan gathering I was going to, so couldn't make it - but it looks like things are going well :-) BBPeter On 13/08/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: I shall give BIO-D a go ( the laundry liquid doesnt smell very nice does it?- maybe I will add some lavender to it). I did try the washing up liquid a while ago, and didnt think much of it. I still have a few litres of ecover left to use up first. I thought you may have gone up to Heathrow? The Valley Vegan..............Peter Kebbell < metalscarab > wrote: Hi PeterAnd yet Bio-D manage to produce equally environmentally friendly cleaning products, which actually do a better job, without using any animal testing. If Ecover were the only option, then I'd agree it's better than the major companies like Unilever, but since Bio-D does a better job, it seems rather silly not to encourage Ecover to follow their lead by putting our purchasing power behind the more ethical of the two companies! BBPeter On 12/08/07, Peter VV < swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Sent: Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven't heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because: · they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112 .And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now! _ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 Hi Peter A smallish gathering down in Dundon near Glastonbury.... weather was lovely, which was particularly good as we were camping!! BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:05 PM Re: Ecover Yep everything seems on track for the weekend. Doesnt the oil hamper the detergent? where was the gathering? hope you had good weather for it. The Valley Vegan............Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Hi PeterI must admit to not having a very good sense of smell... but we often add a drop of tea tree oil to the laundry anyway...The Climate Change camp clashed with a Pagan gathering I was going to, so couldn't make it - but it looks like things are going well :-) BBPeter On 13/08/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: I shall give BIO-D a go ( the laundry liquid doesnt smell very nice does it?- maybe I will add some lavender to it). I did try the washing up liquid a while ago, and didnt think much of it. I still have a few litres of ecover left to use up first. I thought you may have gone up to Heathrow? The Valley Vegan..............Peter Kebbell < metalscarab > wrote: Hi PeterAnd yet Bio-D manage to produce equally environmentally friendly cleaning products, which actually do a better job, without using any animal testing. If Ecover were the only option, then I'd agree it's better than the major companies like Unilever, but since Bio-D does a better job, it seems rather silly not to encourage Ecover to follow their lead by putting our purchasing power behind the more ethical of the two companies! BBPeter On 12/08/07, Peter VV < swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven't heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because: · they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112 .And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now! _ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 You were lucky! not been too nice the last couple of days! The Valley Vegan............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter A smallish gathering down in Dundon near Glastonbury.... weather was lovely, which was particularly good as we were camping!! BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:05 PM Re: Ecover Yep everything seems on track for the weekend. Doesnt the oil hamper the detergent? where was the gathering? hope you had good weather for it. The Valley Vegan............Peter Kebbell <metalscarab > wrote: Hi PeterI must admit to not having a very good sense of smell... but we often add a drop of tea tree oil to the laundry anyway...The Climate Change camp clashed with a Pagan gathering I was going to, so couldn't make it - but it looks like things are going well :-) BBPeter On 13/08/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: I shall give BIO-D a go ( the laundry liquid doesnt smell very nice does it?- maybe I will add some lavender to it). I did try the washing up liquid a while ago, and didnt think much of it. I still have a few litres of ecover left to use up first. I thought you may have gone up to Heathrow? The Valley Vegan..............Peter Kebbell < metalscarab > wrote: Hi PeterAnd yet Bio-D manage to produce equally environmentally friendly cleaning products, which actually do a better job, without using any animal testing. If Ecover were the only option, then I'd agree it's better than the major companies like Unilever, but since Bio-D does a better job, it seems rather silly not to encourage Ecover to follow their lead by putting our purchasing power behind the more ethical of the two companies! BBPeter On 12/08/07, Peter VV < swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven't heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because: · they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112 .And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now! _ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Peter H For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 15, 2007 Report Share Posted August 15, 2007 It was lovely here too :-) Jo - Peter VV Wednesday, August 15, 2007 6:08 PM Re: Ecover You were lucky! not been too nice the last couple of days! The Valley Vegan............metalscarab <metalscarab wrote: Hi Peter A smallish gathering down in Dundon near Glastonbury.... weather was lovely, which was particularly good as we were camping!! BB Peter - Peter VV Tuesday, August 14, 2007 6:05 PM Re: Ecover Yep everything seems on track for the weekend. Doesnt the oil hamper the detergent? where was the gathering? hope you had good weather for it. The Valley Vegan............Peter Kebbell <metalscarab > wrote: Hi PeterI must admit to not having a very good sense of smell... but we often add a drop of tea tree oil to the laundry anyway...The Climate Change camp clashed with a Pagan gathering I was going to, so couldn't make it - but it looks like things are going well :-) BBPeter On 13/08/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: I shall give BIO-D a go ( the laundry liquid doesnt smell very nice does it?- maybe I will add some lavender to it). I did try the washing up liquid a while ago, and didnt think much of it. I still have a few litres of ecover left to use up first. I thought you may have gone up to Heathrow? The Valley Vegan..............Peter Kebbell < metalscarab > wrote: Hi PeterAnd yet Bio-D manage to produce equally environmentally friendly cleaning products, which actually do a better job, without using any animal testing. If Ecover were the only option, then I'd agree it's better than the major companies like Unilever, but since Bio-D does a better job, it seems rather silly not to encourage Ecover to follow their lead by putting our purchasing power behind the more ethical of the two companies! BBPeter On 12/08/07, Peter VV < swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Hi Jo, Did you read the Vegan society/Ecover page? I am still undecided The manager has said that they are looking for alternatives They have said that they will donate blood if needed, but it rarely is. They are only using Daphnia as it is the onlytest of that type available, but they are looking for alternatives. If the products themselves contain no animal derivatives, and they are looking for alternatives , shouldnt they be encouraged? The Valley Vegan.................jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Hi Peter It was only a few months ago that I stopped using Ecover products because I heard of the five year rolling rule. I use BioD now. Jo - Peter VV Saturday, August 11, 2007 3:19 PM Re: Ecover _,__Hi. In case you haven't heard, Ecover will no longer carry the Vegan Society trademark. This is because: · they carry out tests on Daphnia· they use a five year rolling rule· they use blood from rabbit farms for their Red Blood Cell testsYou can find the full statement jointly released by Ecover and the Vegan Society at http://www.vegansociety.com/phpws/index.php?module=announce & ANN_user_op=view & ANN_id=112 .And you can find contact details for Ecover at http://www.ecover.com/gb/en/Contact.htm where there is also an online email form - boycott now! _ Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Peter H For ideas on reducing your carbon footprint visit For Good this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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