Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed vegetables - but you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs etc. If you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will have pooped on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg unwashed. I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you do add up the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you change the brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is something you have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think that is the wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid and B6 are readily available in the vegan diet. Jo - <yarrow Friday, February 02, 2007 11:10 PM vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > I agree, it is important and I have been meaning to get a round tuit. > Every so often I remind myself that I need to go buy some, but then I > decide I've been getting enough from fortified foods, or from the > unwashed vegs* from my own garden, or I just forget to look for them > when I do happen to be in a store that sells them. The one time I did > remember, I was faced with so many choices that I realized I had to > go home and check the recommendations again (basically, take the > 2000mcg once a week to begin with, then 10 mcg once a day; or, from > fortified foods only, make sure the amount adds up to 3 mcg each > day). Or maybe it's the sense that the world is going somewhere in a > handbasket so rapidly that it's hard to look 20 or 50 years ahead. So > to a large extent it's a psychological game, because intellectually I > think I understand it. Any tips for self-persuasion? > > Or maybe I never developed the habit, because way back when I became > vegan, Dr. Mcdougall and a couple others (when they spoke at > conferences) were saying that they recommended B12 supplementation to > patients, but that they did not take it themselves (or recommend it > to family members) because they did not think it was crucial -- that > whole argument about getting all your vitamins and minerals from real > food. I know that since then, what with the head of the Amer. Vegan > Soc. dying of a heart attack, nutritionists have looked further into > the necessity of B12 supplementation and the homocysteine issue (as > in the excellent article you sent) and many now say it's essential > for vegans to supplement B12. > > It occurs to me that organizers of veg conferences and editors of veg > publications would do well to emphasize B12 and omega-3s. Maybe > produce " welcome vegan " kits with, say, a 1-month supply of each and > info on why to continue with them. " Be a super vegan. " " How to live > 10 years more AND do the most effective thing possible to reduce > global warming. " > > *Re unwashed vegs: some years ago I read that vegetarian primates in > zoos who were fed washed produce needed b12 supplementation, but > those in the wild did not, and the difference was attributed to the > soil bacteria eaten by wild apes. > > > Re vitamin B12, jo wrote, > >I have already said that I feel it is very important - if it adds a few > >years to your life and avoids heart trouble it should be worth it. I know > >when you are young you feel that you are invincible, but things catch up > >with you when you get older. > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside and wash it before i eat it???! that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... and foraging >jo <jo.heartwork >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed vegetables - but >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs etc. If >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will have pooped >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg >unwashed. > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you do add up >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you change the >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is something you >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think that is the >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid and B6 are >readily available in the vegan diet. > >Jo > >- > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " -- Dwight Eisenhower Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 Double yuk!!! Jo - " *mona " <ahnochirah Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???! > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > > > and foraging > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg > > >unwashed. > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are > > >readily available in the vegan diet. > > > > > >Jo > > > > > >- > > > > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " > > -- Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 You mean to say you don't - yuk!!! When monkeys eat their fruit and veg from the wild they also eat plants that get rid of the parasitic worms that they pick up - it is unlikely that we would. You have your dogs wormed because they pick up parasitic worms through eating unwashed stuff that they find. Jo - " fraggle " <EBbrewpunx Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:23 AM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside and wash it before i eat it???! > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > and foraging > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed vegetables - but > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs etc. If > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will have pooped > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg > >unwashed. > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you do add up > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you change the > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is something you > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think that is the > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid and B6 are > >readily available in the vegan diet. > > > >Jo > > > >- > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " > -- Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I think he was joking? to a certain extent. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Double yuk!!!Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> >> > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???!> > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork> > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but> > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If> > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped> > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg> > >unwashed.> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up> > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the> > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you> > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the> > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are> > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > >> > >Jo> > >> > >-> > >> > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'. Jo - peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I think he was joking? to a certain extent. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Double yuk!!!Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> >> > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???!> > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork> > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but> > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If> > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped> > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg> > >unwashed.> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up> > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the> > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you> > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the> > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are> > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > >> > >Jo> > >> > >-> > >> > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ? The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'. Jo - peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I think he was joking? to a certain extent. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Double yuk!!!Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> >> > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???!> > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork> > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but> > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If> > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped> > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg> > >unwashed.> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up> > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the> > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you> > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the> > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are> > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > >> > >Jo> > >> > >-> > >> > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 [big smiley face] I really don't worry about anything I might pick up in my veganic garden. Certainly not E. coli (no cows, no cow manure)! We did have a cat who patrolled for roof rats, but I never found cat poop anywhere. Insects? They're everywhere, and if I wanted to worry about insect poop or footprints, I'd be more concerned about produce from the store, or even from the farmers' market, since those insects have probably picked up minute quantities of human pathogens from all the handling etc. (not to mention actual human hands, crawling with pathogens, that have handled it at various stages of picking, packing, setting out for sale, shopping). And that's just for the organically grown produce. The majority of pesticides cannot even be washed off, if you're not buying strictly organic. As for dog poop, well, as with anyone else who has a dog, I handle it several times a day anyway (albeit separated from my hands with a couple layers of plastic or a 4-ft. pole), and of course I breathe it in several times a day. (You do know that if you can smell a substance, you're actually breathing in particles of it?) The dog poop isn't anywhere near my garden, though. Planes dumping their fuel? That means it's already in the air and water. So by washing it, there's an infinitesimal chance you might even be adding to the toxic load. Bird poop? I've been pooped on by birds, and I survived. I can see any bird poop on my tomatoes, since I live in a climate where it does not rain in the summer, so I either compost the tomato (if it's a cherry tomato) or else rinse it off. Anyway, this is all to say that I don't worry about any of this, and anything from my garden has a much much lower yuck factor than anything I might buy. In the big picture, what is worth paying attention to is the basic stuff, such as hand washing after going to the bathroom, staying away from the most-toxic produce (the Environmental Working Group has published lists of which have the most and least pesticide residues, and last Feb. Consumer Reports used this data to recommend what's worth buying organic), favoring organically grown as much as possible (some studies have shown OG produce is more nutritious and tastes better), and, of course, eating lots of fruits and vegetables. jo wrote, I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'. Jo - peter VV I think he was joking? to a certain extent. jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Double yuk!!! - " *mona " <ahnochirah > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden > inside and wash it before i eat it???! > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > and foraging > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but you can also get other things from them - like > > >e-coli, worms eggs etc. If you have birds, cats or wild animals > > >in the vicinity they will have pooped on your vegetables > > >sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg unwashed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 No - for the reasons I gave before. Jo - peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ? The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'. Jo - peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I think he was joking? to a certain extent. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Double yuk!!!Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> >> > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???!> > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork> > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but> > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If> > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped> > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg> > >unwashed.> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up> > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the> > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you> > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the> > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are> > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > >> > >Jo> > >> > >-> > >> > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried about that?. The Valley Vegan.................... jo <jo.heartwork wrote: No - for the reasons I gave before. Jo ----- Original Message ----- peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ? The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'. Jo - peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I think he was joking? to a certain extent. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Double yuk!!!Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> >> > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???!> > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork> > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but> > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If> > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped> > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg> > >unwashed.> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up> > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the> > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you> > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the> > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are> > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > >> > >Jo> > >> > >-> > >> > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 I`m glad its not just me, lifes too short sometimes to worry too much about this stuff. The Valley Vegan.............*mona <ahnochirah wrote: I'm guilty of this too. *mona , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ?> > > The Valley Vegan............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'.> > Jo> - > peter VV > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM> Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > I think he was joking?> > to a certain extent.> > The Valley Vegan.............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> Double yuk!!!> > Jo> > - > "*mona" <ahnochirah> > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM> vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > *mona> > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > >> > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > > and wash it before i eat it???!> > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > vegetables - but> > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > > etc. If> > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > > have pooped> > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > > any veg> > > >unwashed.> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > > do add up> > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > change the> > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > something you> > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > > that is the> > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > > and B6 are> > > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > > >> > > >Jo> > > >> > > >-> > > >> > > > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> > >> > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 I don't worry about it - I just wash them :-) Jo - peter VV Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:18 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried about that?. The Valley Vegan.................... jo <jo.heartwork wrote: No - for the reasons I gave before. Jo - peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ? The Valley Vegan............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'. Jo - peter VV Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I think he was joking? to a certain extent. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork > wrote: Double yuk!!!Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > *mona> > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:> >> > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > and wash it before i eat it???!> > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork> > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > vegetables - but> > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > etc. If> > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > have pooped> > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > any veg> > >unwashed.> > >> > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > do add up> > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > change the> > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > something you> > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > that is the> > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > and B6 are> > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > >> > >Jo> > >> > >-> > >> > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 YOu must have been short of some mineral or B12. Jo - " *mona " <ahnochirah Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:28 PM vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > When I was 5 years old I had an overwhelming desire to eat dirt; > that lasted for a full summer then it went away. I always wondered > why that happened. Maybe I was low on B12 ... > > *mona > > , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > > Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but > fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried > about that?. > > > > The Valley Vegan.................... > > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote: > > No - for the reasons I gave before. > > > > Jo > > - > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them > without washing, havent you ? > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............ > > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote: > > I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over > and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over > the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just > repeat 'yuk'. > > > > Jo > > - > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > I think he was joking? > > > > to a certain extent. > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote: > > Double yuk!!! > > > > Jo > > > > - > > " *mona " <ahnochirah > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM > > vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > > > *mona > > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote: > > > > > > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden > inside > > > and wash it before i eat it???! > > > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > > > > > > > and foraging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@> > > > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > > vegetables - but > > > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms > eggs > > > etc. If > > > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they > will > > > have pooped > > > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish > eating > > > any veg > > > > >unwashed. > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing > you > > > do add up > > > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > > change the > > > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > > something you > > > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I > think > > > that is the > > > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic > acid > > > and B6 are > > > > >readily available in the vegan diet. > > > > > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who > hunger > > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " > > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hi *Mona I hope the test goes well. Jo - " *mona " <ahnochirah Monday, February 05, 2007 1:00 PM vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > I think you're right Jo. Since I'm having a check-up soon and I > think I'll ask to have my B12 checked. > > One of the reasons I enjoy this group is that I run across > information I would not know otherwise. > > Thanks, > *mona > > , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > > > YOu must have been short of some mineral or B12. > > > > Jo > > > > - > > " *mona " <ahnochirah > > > > Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:28 PM > > vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > When I was 5 years old I had an overwhelming desire to eat dirt; > > > that lasted for a full summer then it went away. I always > wondered > > > why that happened. Maybe I was low on B12 ... > > > > > > *mona > > > > > > , peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, > but > > > fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so > worried > > > about that?. > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan.................... > > > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > No - for the reasons I gave before. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > - > > > > peter VV > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM > > > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > > > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten > them > > > without washing, havent you ? > > > > > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............ > > > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying > over > > > and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling > over > > > the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just > > > repeat 'yuk'. > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > - > > > > peter VV > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM > > > > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > > > > I think he was joking? > > > > > > > > to a certain extent. > > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan............. > > > > > > > > jo <jo.heartwork@> wrote: > > > > Double yuk!!! > > > > > > > > Jo > > > > > > > > - > > > > " *mona " <ahnochirah@> > > > > > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM > > > > vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > > > > > > > *mona > > > > > > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden > > > inside > > > > > and wash it before i eat it???! > > > > > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing.... > > > > > > > > > > > > and foraging > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@> > > > > > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > > > > vegetables - but > > > > > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, > worms > > > eggs > > > > > etc. If > > > > > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they > > > will > > > > > have pooped > > > > > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish > > > eating > > > > > any veg > > > > > > >unwashed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods > providing > > > you > > > > > do add up > > > > > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if > you > > > > > change the > > > > > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It > is > > > > > something you > > > > > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I > > > think > > > > > that is the > > > > > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic > > > acid > > > > > and B6 are > > > > > > >readily available in the vegan diet. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > > >- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every > rocket > > > > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who > > > hunger > > > > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed. " > > > > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Maybe you do, as long as you are not aiming that at anyone on here? I still maintain that it is not always necessary to wash anything grown above ground, unless they have visible contamination if you have grown it yourself. The Valley Vegan...............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: All that you have said still leads me to believe that you would be better off washing everything. May I ask why you don't wash? I know someone who admits it is just pure laziness.Jo , yarrow wrote:>> [big smiley face]> > I really don't worry about anything I might pick up in my veganic > garden. Certainly not E. coli (no cows, no cow manure)! We did have a > cat who patrolled for roof rats, but I never found cat poop anywhere.> > Insects? They're everywhere, and if I wanted to worry about insect > poop or footprints, I'd be more concerned about produce from the > store, or even from the farmers' market, since those insects have > probably picked up minute quantities of human pathogens from all the > handling etc. (not to mention actual human hands, crawling with > pathogens, that have handled it at various stages of picking, > packing, setting out for sale, shopping).> > And that's just for the organically grown produce. The majority of > pesticides cannot even be washed off, if you're not buying strictly > organic.> > As for dog poop, well, as with anyone else who has a dog, I handle it > several times a day anyway (albeit separated from my hands with a > couple layers of plastic or a 4-ft. pole), and of course I breathe it > in several times a day. (You do know that if you can smell a > substance, you're actually breathing in particles of it?) The dog > poop isn't anywhere near my garden, though.> > Planes dumping their fuel? That means it's already in the air and > water. So by washing it, there's an infinitesimal chance you might > even be adding to the toxic load.> > Bird poop? I've been pooped on by birds, and I survived. I can see > any bird poop on my tomatoes, since I live in a climate where it does > not rain in the summer, so I either compost the tomato (if it's a > cherry tomato) or else rinse it off.> > Anyway, this is all to say that I don't worry about any of this, and > anything from my garden has a much much lower yuck factor than > anything I might buy. In the big picture, what is worth paying > attention to is the basic stuff, such as hand washing after going to > the bathroom, staying away from the most-toxic produce (the > Environmental Working Group has published lists of which have the > most and least pesticide residues, and last Feb. Consumer Reports > used this data to recommend what's worth buying organic), favoring > organically grown as much as possible (some studies have shown OG > produce is more nutritious and tastes better), and, of course, eating > lots of fruits and vegetables.> > > jo wrote,> I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and > pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the > dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'.> > Jo> > -> <swpgh01peter VV> I think he was joking?> to a certain extent.> > jo <<jo.heartworkjo.heartwork wrote:> Double yuk!!!> > -> "*mona" <<ahnochirahahnochirah> > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ...> >> > fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden> > inside and wash it before i eat it???!> > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > and foraging> > >> > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed> > vegetables - but you can also get other things from them - like> > > >e-coli, worms eggs etc. If you have birds, cats or wild animals> > > >in the vicinity they will have pooped on your vegetables> > > >sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating any veg unwashed.>Peter H New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Angel, I hope that "go live in a plastic bubble" comment was a general comment , and not aimed as an insult to anyone on here? We are all entitled to an opinion, and have different views on such things? The Valley Vegan..............angelikfiona <angelik_kitty_kat wrote: Yes, i agree, thats just being over paranoid.If you are that worried about germs and dirt, go live in a plastic bubble. , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried about that?.> > The Valley Vegan.................... > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> No - for the reasons I gave before.> > Jo> - > peter VV > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM> Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ?> > > The Valley Vegan............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'.> > Jo> - > peter VV > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM> Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > I think he was joking?> > to a certain extent.> > The Valley Vegan.............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> Double yuk!!!> > Jo> > - > "*mona" <ahnochirah> > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM> vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > *mona> > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > >> > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > > and wash it before i eat it???!> > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > vegetables - but> > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > > etc. If> > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > > have pooped> > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > > any veg> > > >unwashed.> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > > do add up> > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > change the> > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > something you> > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > > that is the> > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > > and B6 are> > > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > > >> > > >Jo> > > >> > > >-> > > >> > > > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> > >> > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 At 5 years old, it would be hard to analyse any urge, I certainly wouldnt make a statement that it MUST have been a deficiency of anything? The Valley Vegan................jo <jo.heartwork wrote: YOu must have been short of some mineral or B12.Jo- "*mona" <ahnochirah >Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:28 PM vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> When I was 5 years old I had an overwhelming desire to eat dirt; > that lasted for a full summer then it went away. I always wondered > why that happened. Maybe I was low on B12 ...> > *mona > > , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:> >> > Wow, I find that kind of sad, things out of the soil maybe, but > fruit off a bush?, to me that seems sad that you would be so worried > about that?.> > > > The Valley Vegan.................... > > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> > No - for the reasons I gave before.> > > > Jo> > ----- Original Message ----- > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 6:55 PM> > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > > > I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them > without washing, havent you ?> > > > > > The Valley Vegan............> > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> > I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over > and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over > the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just > repeat 'yuk'.> > > > Jo> > - > > peter VV > > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM> > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > > > I think he was joking?> > > > to a certain extent.> > > > The Valley Vegan.............> > > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> > Double yuk!!!> > > > Jo> > > > - > > "*mona" <ahnochirah> > > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM> > vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > > > *mona> > > > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > > >> > > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden > inside > > > and wash it before i eat it???!> > > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > > > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > > >> > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > > vegetables - but> > > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms > eggs > > > etc. If> > > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they > will > > > have pooped> > > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish > eating > > > any veg> > > > >unwashed.> > > > >> > > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing > you > > > do add up> > > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > > change the> > > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > > something you> > > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I > think > > > that is the> > > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic > acid > > > and B6 are> > > > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > > > >> > > > >Jo> > > > >> > > > >-> > > > >> > > > > > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who > hunger > > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to -> > > > Links> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB > storage with All New Mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > What kind of emailer are you? Find out today - get a free > analysis of your email personality. Take the quiz at the Mail > Championship. > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB > storage with All New Mail.> >> > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 I dont think that there is a great enough risk or chance of shortening it as you say, or else I would be worried about it to the extent that I would wash everything. The Valley Vegan.............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Why take the chance of shortening it further then :-) Jo - peter VV Sunday, February 04, 2007 12:21 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I`m glad its not just me, lifes too short sometimes to worry too much about this stuff. The Valley Vegan.............*mona <ahnochirah > wrote: I'm guilty of this too. *mona , peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I myself have picked soft fruits from my garden and eaten them without washing, havent you ?> > > The Valley Vegan............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> I certainly hope so. When you think of birds flying over and pooping, and planes dumping their fuel and insects crawling over the dog poo and then onto the fruit and veg - may I just repeat 'yuk'.> > Jo> - > peter VV > > Saturday, February 03, 2007 4:56 PM> Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > I think he was joking?> > to a certain extent.> > The Valley Vegan.............> > jo <jo.heartwork wrote:> Double yuk!!!> > Jo> > - > "*mona" <ahnochirah> > Saturday, February 03, 2007 12:47 AM> vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > That's what I was thinking !! LOL ... > > > > *mona> > > > , fraggle <EBbrewpunx@> wrote:> > >> > > you mean you expect me to take every veggie from my garden inside > > and wash it before i eat it???!> > > that would just cut waaaaaaay down on my grazing....> > > > > > and foraging> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >jo <jo.heartwork@>> > > >Feb 2, 2007 6:59 PM> > > > > > > >Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from the dirt on unwashed > > vegetables - but> > > >you can also get other things from them - like e-coli, worms eggs > > etc. If> > > >you have birds, cats or wild animals in the vicinity they will > > have pooped> > > >on your vegetables sometime recently. I wouldn't relish eating > > any veg> > > >unwashed.> > > >> > > >I think you can get enough B12 from fortified foods providing you > > do add up> > > >the totals for the day, but you can fall down on this if you > > change the> > > >brands you use and then find they don't contain B12. It is > > something you> > > >have to keep checking. As B12 is harmless to supplement I think > > that is the> > > >wisest and easiest way to ensure a good supply. The folic acid > > and B6 are> > > >readily available in the vegan diet.> > > >> > > >Jo> > > >> > > >-> > > >> > > > > > "Every gun that is made, every warship launched, every rocket > > fired, signifies in the final sense a theft from those who hunger > > and are not fed, those who are cold and are not clothed." > > > -- Dwight Eisenhower> > >> > > > > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 >All that you have said still leads me to believe that you would be >better off washing everything. May I ask why you don't wash? I know >someone who admits it is just pure laziness. This is going round and round in circles. On the one side, those who think everything needs to be washed, even sun-warmed tomatoes and raspberries picked directly from one's own garden! On the other side, those who think there are more important things to spend their time on, and who basically don't understand the question, and who can't resist eating just-picked food they grow themselves. I don't wash some produce from my garden, for a variety of reasons, which I listed. Food from my garden is, in fact, cleaner than any food I could buy. Bacteria and fungi and insects are in every food, on every surface -- they're part of life, and there's no escaping them. Why do you think everything needs to be washed? And how, exactly, do you wash everything so that you are satisfied that, say, all the germs from all the people who have handled it are neutralized, and free from contamination from any manure it may have been grown in? Do you use some special materials or techniques? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Hi everyone *putting on moderators hat* I'm thinking that maybe we should call an end to this particular topic. Quite frankly, I don't think I've ever seen anything as ridiculous as people getting offensive because someone chooses to wash their vegetables. Except maybe the incident where people got offensive about people keeping nuts in the fridge! Come on folks, this is hardly the most significant issue around... So, if people can't be polite, I will call an official end to the discussion! Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Yes, it is going round and round and I am not going to repeat what I have said or re-send the same information - it would be fruitless :-) Jo - <yarrow Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:03 AM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > >All that you have said still leads me to believe that you would be > >better off washing everything. May I ask why you don't wash? I know > >someone who admits it is just pure laziness. > > This is going round and round in circles. On the one side, those who > think everything needs to be washed, even sun-warmed tomatoes and > raspberries picked directly from one's own garden! On the other side, > those who think there are more important things to spend their time > on, and who basically don't understand the question, and who can't > resist eating just-picked food they grow themselves. > > I don't wash some produce from my garden, for a variety of reasons, > which I listed. Food from my garden is, in fact, cleaner than any > food I could buy. Bacteria and fungi and insects are in every food, > on every surface -- they're part of life, and there's no escaping > them. > > Why do you think everything needs to be washed? And how, exactly, do > you wash everything so that you are satisfied that, say, all the > germs from all the people who have handled it are neutralized, and > free from contamination from any manure it may have been grown in? Do > you use some special materials or techniques? > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 I dont know if you are interested Jo, but there is a product that I saw in the health food shop , a spray that you use on your fruit & veg to clean it? cant remember the name of it right now, but if you are interested , then I will check necxt time I am in there? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Yes, it is going round and round and I am not going to repeat what I havesaid or re-send the same information - it would be fruitless :-)Jo-<yarrowTuesday, February 06, 2007 8:03 AMRe: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> >All that you have said still leads me to believe that you would be> >better off washing everything. May I ask why you don't wash? I know> >someone who admits it is just pure laziness.>> This is going round and round in circles. On the one side, those who> think everything needs to be washed, even sun-warmed tomatoes and> raspberries picked directly from one's own garden! On the other side,> those who think there are more important things to spend their time> on, and who basically don't understand the question, and who can't> resist eating just-picked food they grow themselves.>> I don't wash some produce from my garden, for a variety of reasons,> which I listed. Food from my garden is, in fact, cleaner than any> food I could buy. Bacteria and fungi and insects are in every food,> on every surface -- they're part of life, and there's no escaping> them.>> Why do you think everything needs to be washed? And how, exactly, do> you wash everything so that you are satisfied that, say, all the> germs from all the people who have handled it are neutralized, and> free from contamination from any manure it may have been grown in? Do> you use some special materials or techniques?>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Thanks Peter. I did look at it once, but all the advice given is just to wash with running water, or to give a short soak in salt water. Jo - peter VV Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:07 PM Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? I dont know if you are interested Jo, but there is a product that I saw in the health food shop , a spray that you use on your fruit & veg to clean it? cant remember the name of it right now, but if you are interested , then I will check necxt time I am in there? The Valley Vegan..............jo <jo.heartwork wrote: Yes, it is going round and round and I am not going to repeat what I havesaid or re-send the same information - it would be fruitless :-)Jo-<yarrowTuesday, February 06, 2007 8:03 AMRe: vitamin B12, was Re: oil?> >All that you have said still leads me to believe that you would be> >better off washing everything. May I ask why you don't wash? I know> >someone who admits it is just pure laziness.>> This is going round and round in circles. On the one side, those who> think everything needs to be washed, even sun-warmed tomatoes and> raspberries picked directly from one's own garden! On the other side,> those who think there are more important things to spend their time> on, and who basically don't understand the question, and who can't> resist eating just-picked food they grow themselves.>> I don't wash some produce from my garden, for a variety of reasons,> which I listed. Food from my garden is, in fact, cleaner than any> food I could buy. Bacteria and fungi and insects are in every food,> on every surface -- they're part of life, and there's no escaping> them.>> Why do you think everything needs to be washed? And how, exactly, do> you wash everything so that you are satisfied that, say, all the> germs from all the people who have handled it are neutralized, and> free from contamination from any manure it may have been grown in? Do> you use some special materials or techniques?>>> To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 7, 2007 Report Share Posted February 7, 2007 hi jo, It is always a good idea to wash. but sometimes I wonder if I am dirtying my fruit by washing it given all the loose " clean " water standards set forth by the Bush and the EPA. my opinion is a proper balance is needed. we musn't be too clean and we mustn be too dirty. the whole reason why we need to supplement with b12 in the first place is because of practices that are too sanitary, all the b12 is washed out of the vegetables. B12 is a bacteria found in soil. It is a beneficial bacteria and our body needs good bacteria. Does it not also, depend on the fruit? I think an orange can be taken off the tree and eaten, while a strawberry growing on the ground might not be so clean. I have heard of people getting sick because of too much cleanliness, their immune systems never got a chance to develop. there is a current trend in NYC, to put covers on the shopping carts when a baby is sat down in the front seat of a shopping cart. I am not so sure that is necesary? on the other hand, carelessnes with dirt and uncleanliness can bring all sorts of misery and illnesses. i. e. cholera, e. coli. salmonella, SARS, The bird flu when my taga and I went to the dominican republic in 2003, He and my oldest little boy where sick for an entire week because we drank the water. I never got sick, I believe it was because I lived there as a child. They were miserable with diarhea and he had to miss work. Meanwhile, Ansel, who was 10 months old. did not get sick at all, because he was breastfeed by me. my opinion is that a balance is needed. -anouk , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > Thanks Peter. I did look at it once, but all the advice given is just to wash with running water, or to give a short soak in salt water. > > Jo > - > peter VV > > Tuesday, February 06, 2007 10:07 PM > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > I dont know if you are interested Jo, but there is a product that I saw in the health food shop , a spray that you use on your fruit & veg to clean it? cant remember the name of it right now, but if you are interested , then I will check necxt time I am in there? > > The Valley Vegan.............. > > jo <jo.heartwork wrote: > Yes, it is going round and round and I am not going to repeat what I have > said or re-send the same information - it would be fruitless :-) > > Jo > > - > <yarrow > > Tuesday, February 06, 2007 8:03 AM > Re: vitamin B12, was Re: oil? > > > >All that you have said still leads me to believe that you would be > > >better off washing everything. May I ask why you don't wash? I know > > >someone who admits it is just pure laziness. > > > > This is going round and round in circles. On the one side, those who > > think everything needs to be washed, even sun-warmed tomatoes and > > raspberries picked directly from one's own garden! On the other side, > > those who think there are more important things to spend their time > > on, and who basically don't understand the question, and who can't > > resist eating just-picked food they grow themselves. > > > > I don't wash some produce from my garden, for a variety of reasons, > > which I listed. Food from my garden is, in fact, cleaner than any > > food I could buy. Bacteria and fungi and insects are in every food, > > on every surface -- they're part of life, and there's no escaping > > them. > > > > Why do you think everything needs to be washed? And how, exactly, do > > you wash everything so that you are satisfied that, say, all the > > germs from all the people who have handled it are neutralized, and > > free from contamination from any manure it may have been grown in? Do > > you use some special materials or techniques? > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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