I want to know what to say

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To people who argue that Vegetables are alive too?

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ah..the red herring argument

always remember...when people say this, they don't want a real answer..its

something thrown out their to drive you crazy and make you stumble

 

1. plants don't have nervous systems...they don't have joy, feel pain, feel

hungry...they are alive..and so is athlete's foot....

2. if they insist...fine..then, a meat eater is responsible for tons more

suffering, for causing an animal that EATS plants to live and breed and then be

killed...

that throws their argument right back at them..

 

again..this argument isn't really meant to be answered..its meant to go

" seeee..yer bad toooo..so i can be bad, and i'm not listening anymore.. "

 

 

 

>angelikfiona <angelik_kitty_kat

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Tuesday, February 20, 2007 9:00 PM

I want to know what to say

 

 

To people who argue that Vegetables are alive too? ~ easy ~ yeah i know what you mean ~ they say trhat vegetables have feelings too ~ true ~ but they only witness slight movements/ or rather change of state ~ rhey do not have any pain asociated with that ~ just an observance of change of state particly / atomically ~ say when they are pulled from the ground ~ then thery become ven more numb to pain after that anyway ~ say when we eat one ~ only a little less numb though ~ but all in all the most they ever fell is a change of state ~ so people who say this in a kinda of well if vegetables feel pain ~ you just as bad as me as i chomp away on my beef burger ~ those peope can go an **** themselves and words of that nature ~ cos they are speaking a load of nonsense ~ AND THEY KNOW IT !!! ~ (FRUITS FEEL EVEN LESS DISTERBANCE ~ INFACT FRUIT ~ THE GOEY BIT FEELS THE LEAST DISTERBANCE OF ALL ~ EXCEPT FOR STONES AND WATER THAT IS ~ BUT WE DONT EAT THAT MANY STONES EXCEPT FOR SALT ~

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" angelikfiona " <angelik_kitty_kat wrote,

>To people who argue that Vegetables are alive too?

>

 

Oy. I never know how seriously to answer when I come across this kind

of question at veg fairs. At one event last year, someone kept saying

" what about the feelings of vegetables " and I started off saying that

since animals eat vegetables, too, you have a smaller impact when you

eat vegetables, not animals. She persisted, so then I said something

about easily being able to pick food directly from my garden and eat

it, but I would not kill an animal -- carrots don't scream, etc. She

said, how do you know? I said something about how picking fruits and

vegetables is one thing; but to me, eating animals would be like

eating another person. My impression was that she was a meat-eater,

not a fruitarian, because I vaguely recall saying something about

fruits that fall from trees, and don't have to be yanked out of the

earth, and she thought there was no difference.

 

I wasn't representing a group, just chatting with another bystander.

 

Afterward, I wondered if she was sincerely concerned about the

feelings of vegetables or if it was a seeming inconsistency that had

just occurred to her (and that made the vegans squirm) or if she was

veg-baiting. I also wished I'd asked her how this concern plays out

in her life: does she avoid vegetables? Did she sincerely want to

know, or was it a question designed to let vegans know that they are

not in fact concerned about all living things, or something?

 

So basically, if I encounter this question again, I hope I remember

to keep asking until I find the sincere concern or motivation behind

the question: why do you want to know this? how did you come to have

this concern? how does this concern play out in your daily choices?

what choices have you made in your life that address this concern?

 

On further thought, I would start out by asking if the person was a

fruitarian. Next question, what do you eat? Then get into the

motivation and effect-on-daily-choices questions. This approach has

the advantage of taking the person at face value and making no

assumptions, but trying to understand their world view.

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What is fruitatarian?

 

Someoen that eats only fruits?

 

Why woudl anyoen want to do that?

 

If its true, I dotn see how you coudl get all your nutrients doign

that, seems crazy to me.

 

, yarrow wrote:

>

> " angelikfiona " <angelik_kitty_kat wrote,

> >To people who argue that Vegetables are alive too?

> >

>

> Oy. I never know how seriously to answer when I come across this

kind

> of question at veg fairs. At one event last year, someone kept

saying

> " what about the feelings of vegetables " and I started off saying

that

> since animals eat vegetables, too, you have a smaller impact when

you

> eat vegetables, not animals. She persisted, so then I said

something

> about easily being able to pick food directly from my garden and

eat

> it, but I would not kill an animal -- carrots don't scream, etc.

She

> said, how do you know? I said something about how picking fruits

and

> vegetables is one thing; but to me, eating animals would be like

> eating another person. My impression was that she was a meat-eater,

> not a fruitarian, because I vaguely recall saying something about

> fruits that fall from trees, and don't have to be yanked out of the

> earth, and she thought there was no difference.

>

> I wasn't representing a group, just chatting with another bystander.

>

> Afterward, I wondered if she was sincerely concerned about the

> feelings of vegetables or if it was a seeming inconsistency that

had

> just occurred to her (and that made the vegans squirm) or if she

was

> veg-baiting. I also wished I'd asked her how this concern plays out

> in her life: does she avoid vegetables? Did she sincerely want to

> know, or was it a question designed to let vegans know that they

are

> not in fact concerned about all living things, or something?

>

> So basically, if I encounter this question again, I hope I remember

> to keep asking until I find the sincere concern or motivation

behind

> the question: why do you want to know this? how did you come to

have

> this concern? how does this concern play out in your daily choices?

> what choices have you made in your life that address this concern?

>

> On further thought, I would start out by asking if the person was a

> fruitarian. Next question, what do you eat? Then get into the

> motivation and effect-on-daily-choices questions. This approach has

> the advantage of taking the person at face value and making no

> assumptions, but trying to understand their world view.

>

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from the fruitarian website http://www.fruitarian.com/ao/WhatIsFruitarianism.htm The fruitarian diet consists of RAW fruit and seeds ONLY! Examples of fruits are: Pineapple, mango, banana, avocado, apple, melon, orange, etc., all kinds of berries, and the vegetable fruits such as tomato, cucumber, olives; and dried fruits such as nuts, hazelnuts, cashews, chestnuts, etc.. And seeds including sprouted seeds. Of all food stuff that human beings can eat, fruit is the most delicious to our taste, has the most pleasurable smell and the most beautiful shape with so many lively colors. Fruit is the only food stuff that can completely satisfy

humans…everything else is incomplete… Its attractive aroma, its appetizing and refreshing juice and its nutritive contents (vitamins, enzymes, minerals, fiber, water, proteins,etc.) make it the BEST food a human being can eat. Fruit is a TOTAL food stuff, it has everything you need to nourish yourself in the right proportions. Fruit, can be stored at room temperature, does not need refrigerator or stove and long periods of time to be prepared, does not badly dirt dishes… Fruit is a LIVE food !!!! Fruit, has "the power and magic of life"… Fruit nutrition is a very simple concept…from fruit alone, the human body has evolved to produce everything else it needs to stay energetically alive for more than 100 years… Every doctor, every

nutritionist in the world agrees that people need fruit and fruit is the best food stuff for long term health, weight control, longevity and detoxification…but the fruitarian say: angelikfiona <angelik_kitty_kat wrote: What is fruitatarian?Someoen that eats only fruits?Why woudl anyoen want to do that?If its true, I dotn see how you coudl get all your nutrients doign that, seems crazy to me. , yarrow wrote:>> "angelikfiona" <angelik_kitty_kat wrote,> >To people who argue that Vegetables are alive too?> >> > Oy. I never know how seriously to answer when I come across this kind > of question at veg fairs. At one event last year, someone kept saying > "what about the feelings of vegetables" and I started off saying that > since animals eat vegetables, too, you have a smaller impact when you > eat vegetables, not animals. She persisted, so then I said something > about easily being able to pick food directly from my garden and eat > it, but I would not kill an animal -- carrots don't scream, etc. She > said, how do you know? I said something about how picking fruits and > vegetables is one thing; but to me, eating animals would be

like > eating another person. My impression was that she was a meat-eater, > not a fruitarian, because I vaguely recall saying something about > fruits that fall from trees, and don't have to be yanked out of the > earth, and she thought there was no difference.> > I wasn't representing a group, just chatting with another bystander.> > Afterward, I wondered if she was sincerely concerned about the > feelings of vegetables or if it was a seeming inconsistency that had > just occurred to her (and that made the vegans squirm) or if she was > veg-baiting. I also wished I'd asked her how this concern plays out > in her life: does she avoid vegetables? Did she sincerely want to > know, or was it a question designed to let vegans know that they are > not in fact concerned about all living things, or something?> > So basically, if I encounter this question

again, I hope I remember > to keep asking until I find the sincere concern or motivation behind > the question: why do you want to know this? how did you come to have > this concern? how does this concern play out in your daily choices? > what choices have you made in your life that address this concern?> > On further thought, I would start out by asking if the person was a > fruitarian. Next question, what do you eat? Then get into the > motivation and effect-on-daily-choices questions. This approach has > the advantage of taking the person at face value and making no > assumptions, but trying to understand their world view.>Peter H

 

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A fruit stall in Barcelona, Spain.Fruitarians (frugivores[2] or fructarians) eat

in principle only the fruit of plants.[3] As with other dietary practices, such

as vegetarianism and raw foodism, some people consider themselves fruitarians

even if their diet is not 100% fruit. The reasons for this may be either they

simply don't manage to reach this percentage, or that they still are on their

way to reach it gradually, or they think or feel that a lower percentage (for

instance 75%) is good enough for them. As long as the percentage is higher than

50%, they are (predominantly) fruitarian. [4] Usually fruitarians who include

foods other than fruit follow a vegan diet. [5]

 

Contents [hide]

1 Fruitarian definition of fruit

2 Definition of fruitarian

3 Motivation

4 Fruitarians

5 Famous Fruitarians

6 Fictional

7 Criticisms

8 See also

9 External links

10 References

 

 

 

[edit] Fruitarian definition of fruit

When discussing food, the term " fruit " usually refers to just those plant fruits

that are sweet and fleshy (including plums, apples, and oranges). Botanically,

though, some foods commonly called " vegetables " (including the bell pepper,

tomato, and cucumber), as well as nuts and grains, are fruits[6].

 

Fruitarians use differing definitions of what is considered a " fruit. "

 

 

[edit] Definition of fruitarian

Some fruitarians will eat only what falls (or would fall) naturally from a

plant, that is: foods that can be harvested without killing the plant. These

foods consist primarily of culinary fruits, nuts, and seeds[7]. Many do not eat

grains, believing it is unnatural to do so[8], and some fruitarians feel that it

is improper for humans to eat seeds[9]. Additionally, there are fruitarians who

believe they should eat only plants that spread seeds when the plant is

eaten.[10] Others eat seeds and some cooked foods.[11]

 

Many fruitarians use the botanical definitions of fruits and consume pulses,[12]

while others include green leafy vegetables[13] and/or root vegetables[14] in

their diet. Some occasionally consume some dairy products as well.[15]

 

 

[edit] Motivation

Some fruitarians believe fruitarianism was the original diet of mankind in the

form of Adam and Eve based on Genesis 1:29.[16] They believe that a return to an

Eden-like paradise will require simple living, surrender of anything " modern "

(electricity, medication, housing, clothing, etc.) and a holistic approach to

health and diet.[citation needed]

 

Other fruitarians wish to avoid killing in all its forms, including plants.[17]

 

Some fruitarians say that eating some types of fruit does the parent plant a

favor and that fleshy fruit has evolved to be eaten by animals, to achieve seed

dispersal[18]. Fruit seeds passed in feces may sprout in a pile of ready-made

fertilizer, encouraging proliferation of the plant, but only if one defecates

outside, which most Westerners do not. Fruit cores or pits, however, will be

tossed aside to sprout too near the parent plant to gain any benefit.

 

" Humans are ancestrally derived from frugivorous primates " .[19] " Study of the

diet of frugivorous human ancestors is accordingly of relevance to understanding

the nutritional requirements of modern humans " .[20] A frugivorous dietary

heritage of humans is frequently posited.[1][2][3][4] The molar morphology of

the earliest hominins implies " a fairly frugivorous diet " .[5]The widespread

prevalence of diet-related health problems, particularly in highly

industrialized nations, suggests that many humans are not eating in a manner

compatible with their biology and consumption of more fresh fruit is

recommended.[21] Frutarians use the data about the frugivorous origin of humans

to claim that fruit is their original and natural food.[6][22][23][24]

 

According to Herbert Shelton, the founder of Natural Hygiene, " fruits are also

appealing to man's visual, olfactory and gustatory senses " [7] and " man is

naturally frugivorous " .[25]

 

Fruitarianism is indicated by anthropologist Dr. Marvin Katz as humankind's

natural diet.[26]

 

 

[edit] Fruitarians

Herbert Shelton, the founder of Natural Hygiene. Fruitarianism is a sub-category

of the holistic health doctrine of Natural Hygiene.[27]

Dr. Henry Anderson, founder of the City University of Los Angeles, the Minister

of Education for the Wasitaw Nation, the " oldest Indigenous People on Earth " ,

and Attorney General of the Pembina Nation of North Dakota[28], the author of

the book " The Nature and Purpose of Disease: Definitive Guide of Peoples with

Melanin " . Publishers in Nigeria, Japan, Germany, India and the United States

expect this book to be nominated for a Nobel Prize.[29][30]

Dr. Marvin Katz, fruitarian ethics professor, philosophy lecturer at the

University of Akron. Fired from a NE Ohio University with 5 of his peers for

taking a stand against the war in Vietnam. [31][32]

Francisco Martin, President of the Vegan Society of Spain, fruitarian since

1987.[33]

Karen Noble, owner of a raw-food centre in Barnet, north London, in 1999 said

she had " not had a cold since 1983, when she became a fruitarian " .[34]

Arne Wingqvist, a walkathon participant, a student of Dr. Shelton Health

School,[35] in 1997 he said he had renewed vigor and vitality due to

fruitarianism.[36] By 1999, Wingqvist identified himself as a vegetarian/vegan,

eating " uncooked food...fruit and vegetables " .[37]

Johanna Brandt of South Africa discovered the Grape Cure, which " has been

responsible for the cure of many people. Johanna tried to obtain support of the

scientific community but it was denied. Several doctors gave her a hand and she

managed to take her message to all those who were willing to hear her " .[38]

 

[edit] Famous Fruitarians

Steve Jobs; " I was actually a fruitarian at that point in time. I ate only

fruit. Now I'm a garbage can like everyone else. And we were about three months

late in filing a fictitious business name so I threatened to call the company

Apple Computer unless someone suggested a more interesting name by five o'clock

that day. Hoping to stimulate creativity. And it stuck. And that's why we're

called Apple. " [citation needed]

 

[edit] Fictional

Some believe Adam and Eve in the Garden of Eden were fruitarians (Behold I have

given you herb yielding seed. To you it shall be for meat; Genesis l:29 )[39].

Others interpret this to mean they were raw vegans[40].

The K-PAXian in Gene Brewer's K-PAX book series and film.

The Eloi from HG Wells's The Time Machine.

One of Hugh Grant's potential love interests in the film Notting Hill

The evil Medusa Johnson (Gloria Foster; the Oracle in The Matrix Trilogy) in the

feature film Leonard Part 6 also starring Bill Cosby

 

[edit] Criticisms

According to the U.S. National Institutes of Health " natural food sources of

vitamin B12 are limited to foods that come from animals. " [41]

Many notable advocates of fruitarianism in the past, including Morris Krok[42],

Johnny Lovewisdom, Walter Siegmeister/Raymond Bernard, and Viktoras Kulvinskas

ate considerable quantities of vegetables and occasional cooked foods and

vegetables. Others switched to other unorthodox lifestyles (including

breatharianism and liquitarianism (juices only), or recommended against the diet

once they stopped (Morris Krok[43]).

 

[edit] See also

Inedia

The Celestine Prophecy

Christian vegetarianism

Diet (nutrition)

Juice fasting

Jainism

Natural Hygiene

New Age

Nutrition

Raw food diet

Raw veganism

Simple living

Veganism

 

[edit] External links

fruitarians.blogspot.com

What is fruitarian? at Fruitarian Network

Waking Up from the Fruitarian Dreamtime - Critique of fruitarianism.

List of pro-fruitarian articles.

Strongly pro-fruitarian article

Are We Vegetarians Or Fruitarians?

Fruitarianism in the Vivistic food patterns

 

[edit] References

^ " Fruits, fingers, and fermentation: The sensory cues available to foraging

primates " , Dominy NJ, Integrative and Comparative Biol 44 (4): 295-303 AUG 2004

^ " Ferment in the family tree: Does a frugivorous dietary heritage influence

contemporary patterns of human ethanol use? " , Milton K, Integrative and

Comparative Biol 44 (4): 304-314 AUG 2004

^ " Ethanol, fruit ripening, and the historical origins of human alcoholism in

primate frugivory " , Dadley R, Integrative and Comparative Biol 44 (4): 315-323

AUG 2004

^ " Evolutionary origins of human alcoholism in primate frugivory " , Dadley R, Q

Rev Biol. 2000 Mar;75(1):3-15)

^ " Origin of Human Bipedalism: The Knuckle-Walking Hypothesis Revisited " , BG

Richmond, DR Begun, DS Strait; Yearbook of Physical Anthropology,

44:70-105(2001)[1]

^ (Hereward Carrington: " Natural Food of Man " )

^ (HM Shelton; " Hygienic Review " June 1976)

 

 

>angelikfiona <angelik_kitty_kat

>Feb 21, 2007 10:07 AM

>

> Re: I want to know what to say

>

>What is fruitatarian?

>

>Someoen that eats only fruits?

>

>Why woudl anyoen want to do that?

>

>If its true, I dotn see how you coudl get all your nutrients doign

>that, seems crazy to me.

>

> , yarrow wrote:

>>

>> " angelikfiona " <angelik_kitty_kat wrote,

>> >To people who argue that Vegetables are alive too?

>> >

>>

>> Oy. I never know how seriously to answer when I come across this

>kind

>> of question at veg fairs. At one event last year, someone kept

>saying

>> " what about the feelings of vegetables " and I started off saying

>that

>> since animals eat vegetables, too, you have a smaller impact when

>you

>> eat vegetables, not animals. She persisted, so then I said

>something

>> about easily being able to pick food directly from my garden and

>eat

>> it, but I would not kill an animal -- carrots don't scream, etc.

>She

>> said, how do you know? I said something about how picking fruits

>and

>> vegetables is one thing; but to me, eating animals would be like

>> eating another person. My impression was that she was a meat-eater,

>> not a fruitarian, because I vaguely recall saying something about

>> fruits that fall from trees, and don't have to be yanked out of the

>> earth, and she thought there was no difference.

>>

>> I wasn't representing a group, just chatting with another bystander.

>>

>> Afterward, I wondered if she was sincerely concerned about the

>> feelings of vegetables or if it was a seeming inconsistency that

>had

>> just occurred to her (and that made the vegans squirm) or if she

>was

>> veg-baiting. I also wished I'd asked her how this concern plays out

>> in her life: does she avoid vegetables? Did she sincerely want to

>> know, or was it a question designed to let vegans know that they

>are

>> not in fact concerned about all living things, or something?

>>

>> So basically, if I encounter this question again, I hope I remember

>> to keep asking until I find the sincere concern or motivation

>behind

>> the question: why do you want to know this? how did you come to

>have

>> this concern? how does this concern play out in your daily choices?

>> what choices have you made in your life that address this concern?

>>

>> On further thought, I would start out by asking if the person was a

>> fruitarian. Next question, what do you eat? Then get into the

>> motivation and effect-on-daily-choices questions. This approach has

>> the advantage of taking the person at face value and making no

>> assumptions, but trying to understand their world view.

>>

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