Guest guest Posted May 8, 2007 Report Share Posted May 8, 2007 Apologies if you've read this elsewhere - I'm cross-posting to a number of relevant Vegan forums. I've been a vegan for 7 years now. I discovered early on that I had some sort of intolerance to soy " dairy " products, but not to other forms of soy. The intolerance takes the form of a tingling of the tongue and back of the throat ranging from barely noticeable to almost causing me to choke. Foods that cause this reaction, in descending order of severity are: Soy milk Soy cream Soy custard Soy ice-cream Soy milk is sufficiently bad that the amount needed for whitening a cup of tea can cause a very bad reaction. Soy ice-cream (Swedish Glace, Tofutti) at the other end of the scale sometimes causes no reaction at all and at worst gives me a slight tickle in the back of the throat. Conversely, it appears I can eat the following until it comes out of my ears with no reaction at all: Tofu Tempeh Soy sauce (all types) Miso Black bean sauce Soy flour TVP Wide variety of soy " cheeses " (e.g. Scheese, Cheezly, Tofutti " cream cheese " ) Products including soy and soy derivatives (e.g. Cheatin' chicken, veggie sausages etc.) Finally, I haven't tested this thoroughly, but anecdotal evidence seems to suggest that thoroughly cooking the soy dairy products removes whatever it is that causes the problem (so I can do lasagne using soy cream without problems, for instance). Up to now, this hasn't caused me a major headache as I've just used rice milk instead of soy, however I'm currently trying to rebalance my diet to decrease carbohydrates and increase protein. Being able to drink soy milk instead of rice milk would help with this. So has anyone else had this problem or have any idea of what's causing it? If so, do you have any advice for (UK) brands of soy milk that might be OK? Cheers, Matthew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Hi and welcome. I think the second list, that causes no problems, have all been fermented, which has the same effect as cooking. Jo , " Matthew Faupel " <matthew wrote: > > Apologies if you've read this elsewhere - I'm cross-posting to a > number of relevant Vegan forums. > > I've been a vegan for 7 years now. I discovered early on that I had > some sort of intolerance to soy " dairy " products, but not to other > forms of soy. The intolerance takes the form of a tingling of the > tongue and back of the throat ranging from barely noticeable to > almost causing me to choke. > > Foods that cause this reaction, in descending order of severity are: > > Soy milk > Soy cream > Soy custard > Soy ice-cream > > Soy milk is sufficiently bad that the amount needed for whitening a > cup of tea can cause a very bad reaction. Soy ice-cream (Swedish > Glace, Tofutti) at the other end of the scale sometimes causes no > reaction at all and at worst gives me a slight tickle in the back of > the throat. > > Conversely, it appears I can eat the following until it comes out of > my ears with no reaction at all: > > Tofu > Tempeh > Soy sauce (all types) > Miso > Black bean sauce > Soy flour > TVP > Wide variety of soy " cheeses " (e.g. Scheese, Cheezly, Tofutti " cream > cheese " ) > Products including soy and soy derivatives (e.g. Cheatin' chicken, > veggie sausages etc.) > > Finally, I haven't tested this thoroughly, but anecdotal evidence > seems to suggest that thoroughly cooking the soy dairy products > removes whatever it is that causes the problem (so I can do lasagne > using soy cream without problems, for instance). > > Up to now, this hasn't caused me a major headache as I've just used > rice milk instead of soy, however I'm currently trying to rebalance > my diet to decrease carbohydrates and increase protein. Being able > to drink soy milk instead of rice milk would help with this. > > So has anyone else had this problem or have any idea of what's > causing it? If so, do you have any advice for (UK) brands of soy > milk that might be OK? > > Cheers, > > > Matthew > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Hi Matthew Have you checked that the soy products which cause you problems are completely free of dairy? For some reason, some brands of soy products still use casine and lactose. I've never quite understood why, but that could be the cause of the problem. Even if not, check the ingredients, and see if there's a common one that could be the cause of the problem. BB Peter - " Matthew Faupel " <matthew Tuesday, May 08, 2007 4:25 PM Strange soy intolerance - can you help? > Apologies if you've read this elsewhere - I'm cross-posting to a > number of relevant Vegan forums. > > I've been a vegan for 7 years now. I discovered early on that I had > some sort of intolerance to soy " dairy " products, but not to other > forms of soy. The intolerance takes the form of a tingling of the > tongue and back of the throat ranging from barely noticeable to > almost causing me to choke. > > Foods that cause this reaction, in descending order of severity are: > > Soy milk > Soy cream > Soy custard > Soy ice-cream > > Soy milk is sufficiently bad that the amount needed for whitening a > cup of tea can cause a very bad reaction. Soy ice-cream (Swedish > Glace, Tofutti) at the other end of the scale sometimes causes no > reaction at all and at worst gives me a slight tickle in the back of > the throat. > > Conversely, it appears I can eat the following until it comes out of > my ears with no reaction at all: > > Tofu > Tempeh > Soy sauce (all types) > Miso > Black bean sauce > Soy flour > TVP > Wide variety of soy " cheeses " (e.g. Scheese, Cheezly, Tofutti " cream > cheese " ) > Products including soy and soy derivatives (e.g. Cheatin' chicken, > veggie sausages etc.) > > Finally, I haven't tested this thoroughly, but anecdotal evidence > seems to suggest that thoroughly cooking the soy dairy products > removes whatever it is that causes the problem (so I can do lasagne > using soy cream without problems, for instance). > > Up to now, this hasn't caused me a major headache as I've just used > rice milk instead of soy, however I'm currently trying to rebalance > my diet to decrease carbohydrates and increase protein. Being able > to drink soy milk instead of rice milk would help with this. > > So has anyone else had this problem or have any idea of what's > causing it? If so, do you have any advice for (UK) brands of soy > milk that might be OK? > > Cheers, > > > Matthew > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2007 Report Share Posted May 9, 2007 Hi Peter/Matthew You have just reminded me of something else - gm soya - quite often causes problems that don't occur with non-gm. BB Jo - " metalscarab " <metalscarab Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:11 AM Re: Strange soy intolerance - can you help? > Hi Matthew > > Have you checked that the soy products which cause you problems are > completely free of dairy? For some reason, some brands of soy products still > use casine and lactose. I've never quite understood why, but that could be > the cause of the problem. Even if not, check the ingredients, and see if > there's a common one that could be the cause of the problem. > > BB > Peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Thanks to all that have replied. The soy milks I've tried that cause the reaction are all organic, non-GM, certified vegan and no added anything that isn't in some other food I can eat without problems, so I'm pretty sure it's the soy itself that is causing the reaction. I agree that fermenting and cooking do seem to remove the problem. The two things I still have to resolve about that are: 1. What is it in the process of manufacturing tofu that has the same effect (I don't think that involves either fermenting or cooking). 2. What exactly is it that is being destroyed or removed by these processes. Cheers, Matthew , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > Hi Peter/Matthew > > You have just reminded me of something else - gm soya - quite often causes > problems that don't occur with non-gm. > > BB > Jo > > - > " metalscarab " <metalscarab > > Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:11 AM > Re: Strange soy intolerance - can you help? > > > > Hi Matthew > > > > Have you checked that the soy products which cause you problems are > > completely free of dairy? For some reason, some brands of soy products > still > > use casine and lactose. I've never quite understood why, but that could be > > the cause of the problem. Even if not, check the ingredients, and see if > > there's a common one that could be the cause of the problem. > > > > BB > > Peter > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 Hi Matthew I'm not sure. I know that when you soak and cook, or sprout, beans and chickpeas the phytates are broken down. Phytates bind the minerals that come from the food, and make them indigestible. Therefore you are not getting all the minerals you need to digest the nutritious part of the beans. This may be the problem. Jo - " Matthew Faupel " <matthew Thursday, May 10, 2007 11:28 AM Re: Strange soy intolerance - can you help? > Thanks to all that have replied. The soy milks I've tried that cause > the reaction are all organic, non-GM, certified vegan and no added > anything that isn't in some other food I can eat without problems, so > I'm pretty sure it's the soy itself that is causing the reaction. > > I agree that fermenting and cooking do seem to remove the problem. > The two things I still have to resolve about that are: > > 1. What is it in the process of manufacturing tofu that has the same > effect (I don't think that involves either fermenting or cooking). > > 2. What exactly is it that is being destroyed or removed by these > processes. > > Cheers, > > > Matthew > > , " jo " <jo.heartwork wrote: > > > > Hi Peter/Matthew > > > > You have just reminded me of something else - gm soya - quite often > causes > > problems that don't occur with non-gm. > > > > BB > > Jo > > > > - > > " metalscarab " <metalscarab > > > > Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:11 AM > > Re: Strange soy intolerance - can you help? > > > > > > > Hi Matthew > > > > > > Have you checked that the soy products which cause you problems > are > > > completely free of dairy? For some reason, some brands of soy > products > > still > > > use casine and lactose. I've never quite understood why, but that > could be > > > the cause of the problem. Even if not, check the ingredients, and > see if > > > there's a common one that could be the cause of the problem. > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > > To send an email to - > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2007 Report Share Posted May 10, 2007 I found this web site on how tofu is made if you are interested : http://www.house-foods.com/our_products/production_process.html The Valley Vegan.................Matthew Faupel <matthew wrote: Thanks to all that have replied. The soy milks I've tried that cause the reaction are all organic, non-GM, certified vegan and no added anything that isn't in some other food I can eat without problems, so I'm pretty sure it's the soy itself that is causing the reaction.I agree that fermenting and cooking do seem to remove the problem. The two things I still have to resolve about that are:1. What is it in the process of manufacturing tofu that has the same effect (I don't think that involves either fermenting or cooking).2. What exactly is it that is being destroyed or removed by these processes.Cheers,Matthew , "jo" <jo.heartwork wrote:>> Hi Peter/Matthew> > You have just reminded me of something else - gm soya - quite often causes> problems that don't occur with non-gm.> > BB> Jo> > -> "metalscarab" <metalscarab> > Wednesday, May 09, 2007 8:11 AM> Re: Strange soy intolerance - can you help?> > > > Hi Matthew> >> > Have you checked that the soy products which cause you problems are> > completely free of dairy? For some reason, some brands of soy products> still> > use casine and lactose. I've never quite understood why, but that could be> > the cause of the problem. Even if not, check the ingredients, and see if> > there's a common one that could be the cause of the problem.> >> > BB> > Peter>Peter H The all-new Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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