PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day

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I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo...... http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608 What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but strategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill to counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseball sluggers and congressmen."We’re not exclusive like them. PETA is friends with anyone,” said the organization’s campaign coordinator Mike Brazell (a five-year vegetarian and three-year vegan). He was generous, encouraging lobbyists and families to take “two,

three or four” Yves brand veggie dogs, which he claims are the tastiest vegan-friendly frank.So what’s in the plastic-looking "dog"? Good question. Like the Boca Burger, the alternative meat attempts to taste like beef, not veggies. There's soy protein and wheat gluten for structure, and added spices for "flavor." And while they were somewhat, well, plastic-tasting, the low-fat wieners weren’t half-bad once drenched in ketchup, mustard, and grilled onions (also courtesy of PETA). They were even tastier when Brazell noted their lack of "pig lips," as opposed to the real hot dogs being served inside Rayburn.The PETA table was well-stocked with 1,000 dogs, but had to close up shop earlier than expected when it started to drizzle. Playmates Lauren Anderson and Laura Guthridge—vegetarians who work with PETA on several events as part of the “Turn Over a New Leaf” campaign—quickly found robes. They didn’t want their lettuce bikini tops to wilt.

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Does your wife mind your liking for these pictures?

 

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, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

article/photo......

>

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

>

> What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but strategically-

placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the House of

Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free veggie

dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseball

sluggers and congressmen.

>

> " We're not exclusive like them. PETA is friends with anyone, " said

the organization's campaign coordinator Mike Brazell (a five-year

vegetarian and three-year vegan). He was generous, encouraging

lobbyists and families to take " two, three or four " Yves brand veggie

dogs, which he claims are the tastiest vegan-friendly frank.

>

> So what's in the plastic-looking " dog " ? Good question. Like the

Boca Burger, the alternative meat attempts to taste like beef, not

veggies. There's soy protein and wheat gluten for structure, and

added spices for " flavor. " And while they were somewhat, well,

plastic-tasting, the low-fat wieners weren't half-bad once drenched

in ketchup, mustard, and grilled onions (also courtesy of PETA). They

were even tastier when Brazell noted their lack of " pig lips, " as

opposed to the real hot dogs being served inside Rayburn.

>

> The PETA table was well-stocked with 1,000 dogs, but had to close

up shop earlier than expected when it started to drizzle. Playmates

Lauren Anderson and Laura Guthridge—vegetarians who work with PETA on

several events as part of the " Turn Over a New Leaf " campaign—quickly

found robes. They didn't want their lettuce bikini tops to wilt.

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How do you know that she wasnt one of the women in the pictures? The Valley Vegan............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Does your wife mind your liking for these pictures?Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but strategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill to counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseball sluggers and congressmen.> > "We're not exclusive like them. PETA is friends with anyone," said the organization's campaign coordinator Mike Brazell (a five-year vegetarian and three-year vegan). He was generous, encouraging lobbyists and families to take "two, three or four" Yves brand veggie dogs, which he claims are

the tastiest vegan-friendly frank.> > So what's in the plastic-looking "dog"? Good question. Like the Boca Burger, the alternative meat attempts to taste like beef, not veggies. There's soy protein and wheat gluten for structure, and added spices for "flavor." And while they were somewhat, well, plastic-tasting, the low-fat wieners weren't half-bad once drenched in ketchup, mustard, and grilled onions (also courtesy of PETA). They were even tastier when Brazell noted their lack of "pig lips," as opposed to the real hot dogs being served inside Rayburn.> > The PETA table was well-stocked with 1,000 dogs, but had to close up shop earlier than expected when it started to drizzle. Playmates Lauren Anderson and Laura Guthridge—vegetarians who work with PETA on several events as part of the "Turn Over a New Leaf" campaign—quickly found robes. They didn't want their lettuce bikini tops to wilt. >

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that is sexist.

 

If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they

can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like this

actually turn people vegan?

 

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......

>

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

>

> What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but

strategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the

House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free

veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseball

sluggers and congressmen.

>

>

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I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but probably would get their attention more than normal people......its appealing to the base instincts in men isnt it? Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be different, as they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there, but I doubt that they were........ all I ever find in my salads is insects............. The Valley Vegan...........flower child <zurumato wrote: that is sexist. If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why theycan't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on theirchest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like thisactually turn people vegan? , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing butstrategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside theHouse of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out freeveggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment ofAnimals), the self-proclaimed

"Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill tocounter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American MeatInstitute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseballsluggers and congressmen.> >Peter H

 

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Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next statement

will probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women paint

themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no problem with this

kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying their hair (two

two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as if they were

trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn sexist ads. Until

then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the slaughter. I support PETA

and wish females would stop wasting money on boob jobs, makeup, perfume and the

accoutrements of sexual attraction and SPEND THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

 

Most females I know just don’t realize that men would be

attracted to them if they wore khaki’s and combat boots. We don’t

need to be sold. Ask any guy leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the

same.

 

 

 

 

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Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

 

Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National

Hot Dog Day

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously doubt if campaigns like

this turn people vegan, but probably would get their attention more than normal

people......its appealing to the base instincts in men isnt it?

 

 

Now if they were vegan as well as

models then that would be different, as they would be able to show that there

are vegan models out there, but I doubt that they were........

 

 

all I ever find in my salads is

insects.............

 

 

 

 

 

The Valley Vegan...........

 

flower child <zurumato wrote:

 

 

 

 

that is sexist.

 

If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they

can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like this

actually turn people vegan?

 

,

Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......

>

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

>

> What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but

strategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the

House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free

veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseball

sluggers and congressmen.

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Was she?

 

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, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> How do you know that she wasnt one of the women in the pictures?

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

> Does your wife mind your liking for these pictures?

>

> Jo

>

> , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> >

> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

> article/photo......

> >

> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> >

> > What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but strategically-

> placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the House of

> Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free veggie

> dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

> Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

> counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

baseball

> sluggers and congressmen.

> >

> > " We're not exclusive like them. PETA is friends with anyone, "

said

> the organization's campaign coordinator Mike Brazell (a five-year

> vegetarian and three-year vegan). He was generous, encouraging

> lobbyists and families to take " two, three or four " Yves brand

veggie

> dogs, which he claims are the tastiest vegan-friendly frank.

> >

> > So what's in the plastic-looking " dog " ? Good question. Like the

> Boca Burger, the alternative meat attempts to taste like beef, not

> veggies. There's soy protein and wheat gluten for structure, and

> added spices for " flavor. " And while they were somewhat, well,

> plastic-tasting, the low-fat wieners weren't half-bad once drenched

> in ketchup, mustard, and grilled onions (also courtesy of PETA).

They

> were even tastier when Brazell noted their lack of " pig lips, " as

> opposed to the real hot dogs being served inside Rayburn.

> >

> > The PETA table was well-stocked with 1,000 dogs, but had to close

> up shop earlier than expected when it started to drizzle. Playmates

> Lauren Anderson and Laura Guthridge—vegetarians who work with PETA

on

> several events as part of the " Turn Over a New Leaf " campaign—

quickly

> found robes. They didn't want their lettuce bikini tops to wilt.

> >

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Nah, shes much better looking......... The Valley Vegan................heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: Was she?Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> How do you know that she wasnt one of the women in the pictures?> > The Valley Vegan............> > heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:> Does your wife

mind your liking for these pictures?> > Jo> > , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> >> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following > article/photo......> > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > > > What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but strategically-> placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the House of > Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free veggie > dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of > Animals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill to > counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat > Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted

Major League baseball > sluggers and congressmen.> > > > "We're not exclusive like them. PETA is friends with anyone," said > the organization's campaign coordinator Mike Brazell (a five-year > vegetarian and three-year vegan). He was generous, encouraging > lobbyists and families to take "two, three or four" Yves brand veggie > dogs, which he claims are the tastiest vegan-friendly frank.> > > > So what's in the plastic-looking "dog"? Good question. Like the > Boca Burger, the alternative meat attempts to taste like beef, not > veggies. There's soy protein and wheat gluten for structure, and > added spices for "flavor." And while they were somewhat, well, > plastic-tasting, the low-fat wieners weren't half-bad once drenched > in ketchup, mustard, and grilled onions (also courtesy of PETA). They > were even tastier when Brazell noted

their lack of "pig lips," as > opposed to the real hot dogs being served inside Rayburn.> > > > The PETA table was well-stocked with 1,000 dogs, but had to close > up shop earlier than expected when it started to drizzle. Playmates > Lauren Anderson and Laura Guthridge—vegetarians who work with PETA on > several events as part of the "Turn Over a New Leaf" campaign—quickly > found robes. They didn't want their lettuce bikini tops to wilt. > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > > > > > > Inbox full of unwanted email? Get leading protection and 1GB > storage with All New Mail.> >> > > > > > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is

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hmmm...........interesting................. The Valley Vegan....................Don Scott <donscott wrote: Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next statement will probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women paint themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no problem with this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women

stop dying their hair (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as if they were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn sexist ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money on boob jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction and SPEND THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES! Most females I know just don’t realize that men would be attracted to them if they wore khaki’s and combat boots. We don’t need to be sold. Ask any guy leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same. On Behalf Of Peter VVSaturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but probably would get their attention more than normal people......its appealing to the base instincts in men isnt it? Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be different, as they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there, but I doubt that they were........ all I ever find in my salads is insects............. The Valley Vegan...........flower child <zurumato (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote: that is sexist. If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why theycan't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on theirchest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like thisactually turn people vegan? , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing butstrategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside theHouse of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out freeveggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment ofAnimals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill tocounter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American MeatInstitute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseballsluggers and congressmen.> > Peter H Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Peter H

 

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Hi Don

 

Your comment will also upset men! I find it offensive, as the women in my life don't behave the way that you describe - there is, of course, a proportion of women that do, but then there are also a proportion of men who do body building, cover themselves in smells that they think women will like, and take a long time doing their hair, in order to attract women. So what - some people are idiots - does that mean we should abuse everyone who has something in common with those idiots?

 

I happen to have the same genitalia as you, but I'd hate to think that I'd be classified as sexist and racist (since you also "can't talk to Americans") just because of that unfortunate fact.

 

BB

Peter

 

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Don Scott

Sunday, July 22, 2007 5:33 AM

RE: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day

 

 

Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next statement will probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women paint themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no problem with this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying their hair (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as if they were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn sexist ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money on boob jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction and SPEND THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

 

Most females I know just don’t realize that men would be attracted to them if they wore khaki’s and combat boots. We don’t need to be sold. Ask any guy leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Peter VVSaturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM Subject: Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day

 

 

 

 

 

I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but probably would get their attention more than normal people......its appealing to the base instincts in men isnt it?

 

Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be different, as they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there, but I doubt that they were........

 

all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

 

 

 

The Valley Vegan...........flower child <zurumato wrote:

 

 

 

that is sexist. If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why theycan't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on theirchest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like thisactually turn people vegan? , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing butstrategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside theHouse of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out freeveggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment ofAnimals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill tocounter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American MeatInstitute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseballsluggers and congressmen.> >

 

 

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Surely the point of the campaign is to turn people vegan. If, as you

say, you seriously doubt it would have this effect, then what is the

purpose of it all?

 

Jo

 

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

probably would get their attention more than normal people......its

appealing to the base instincts in men isnt it?

> Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

different, as they would be able to show that there are vegan models

out there, but I doubt that they were........

> all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

> flower child <zurumato wrote:

> that is sexist.

>

> If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they

> can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

> chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like

this

> actually turn people vegan?

>

> , Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> >

> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

article/photo......

> >

> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> >

> > What were two Playboy playmates—wearing nothing but

> strategically-placed lettuce leaves—doing earlier today outside the

> House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free

> veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

> Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

> counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

baseball

> sluggers and congressmen.

> >

> >

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Do you always think that because a number of people do something,

everyone else should be looked on in the same way?

 

Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female

population can be considered so, and because some men use prostitutes

the rest of the male population can be considered that way!

 

Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.

 

Jo

 

, " Don Scott " <donscott wrote:

>

> Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next

statement will

> probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women

paint

> themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no

problem with

> this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying

their hair

> (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as

if they

> were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn

sexist

> ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the

> slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money

on boob

> jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction

and SPEND

> THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

>

>

>

> Most females I know just don't realize that men would be attracted

to them

> if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold.

Ask any guy

> leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of Peter VV

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

>

> Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot

> Dog Day

>

>

>

> I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

probably

> would get their attention more than normal people......its

appealing to the

> base instincts in men isnt it?

>

> Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

different, as

> they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there,

but I

> doubt that they were........

>

> all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

>

>

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

> flower child <zurumato wrote:

>

> that is sexist.

>

> If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they

> can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

> chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like

this

> actually turn people vegan?

>

> <%

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> Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> >

> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

article/photo......

> >

> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> >

> > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but

> strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside the

> House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free

> veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

> Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

> counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

baseball

> sluggers and congressmen.

> >

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We need to attract people to Veganism and I don’t think

taking “sexy” out of the message is going to help. As I said in

another post I see the way women dress to attract while walking the Wild Animal

Park. It’s a rare woman indeed who doesn’t fall prey to sexual

advertizing. It’s not their fault, of course. Get rid of the TV and it

things could change.

 

Let’s put the issue of sexism on the back burner until the

killing stops. It’s a matter of degree. If I can save one animal by

putting up a picture of a prostitute, I will do it!

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of heartwerk

Monday, July 23, 2007 8:48 AM

 

Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National

Hot Dog Day

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you always think that because a number of people do

something,

everyone else should be looked on in the same way?

 

Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female

population can be considered so, and because some men use prostitutes

the rest of the male population can be considered that way!

 

Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.

 

Jo

 

,

" Don Scott " <donscott wrote:

>

> Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next

statement will

> probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women

paint

> themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no

problem with

> this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying

their hair

> (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as

if they

> were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn

sexist

> ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the

> slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money

on boob

> jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction

and SPEND

> THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

>

>

>

> Most females I know just don't realize that men would be attracted

to them

> if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold.

Ask any guy

> leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

>

>

>

>

 

 

On

> Behalf Of Peter VV

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

>

> Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot

> Dog Day

>

>

>

> I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

probably

> would get their attention more than normal people......its

appealing to the

> base instincts in men isnt it?

>

> Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

different, as

> they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there,

but I

> doubt that they were........

>

> all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

>

>

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

> flower child <zurumato wrote:

>

> that is sexist.

>

> If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they

> can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

> chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like

this

> actually turn people vegan?

>

>

<%

40> ,

> Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> >

> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

article/photo......

> >

> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> >

> > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but

> strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside the

> House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free

> veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

> Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill

to

> counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

baseball

> sluggers and congressmen.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Peter H

>

> <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif>

 

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try

>

<http://uk.answers./;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTA

Ec2VjA

> 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.

>

[Guest guest]

Don-

you suffer from a common malady. You see the world in absolutes.

 

It's called stereotyping. Obviously, you must know that some of us doesn't represent the entire population of that group. Further, people do change. Nothing really stays the same.

 

If you want change, you should work for it. Be the change you want to see, as they say.

 

For example, as a woman, I used to shave, wear make up, high-heeled shoes, stockings, etc......

 

Now, I don't do any of those things. I've shifted my entire lifestyle. But there are still lots of women who still do those things. They aren't all like me. In fact, there are entire cultures in which women don't do all those things. I just don't live in one of them.

 

How many men, do you suppose, like women with unshaven hair in the usually-shaved places? There are strong societal pressures to conform, in every society.

 

How much marketing is done to ensure that men and women conform to stereotypes? Doesn't that SELL products, when manufacturers can predict behaviors to match their products? Or when they can develop products to match those behaviors?

 

It's a pretty simplistic assessment (or view) of the world, to refer to "women" as if they are all the same. It's equally simplistic to refer to "men" as if they are all the same.

 

It's likewise simplistic to view any entire group as all the same, be they Americans, French, Jews, New Yorkers, even animals, dogs, cats, horses. We all have different personalities.

 

Further, you come dangerously close to "blaming the victim". Some people call the PETA sort of advertising exploitative. I don't see it that way, but I've heard many call it that. Marketing is often that way. But if you do see women as exploited, and therefore victimized, what Don is doing is blaming the victim, as in a rape, when someone says the woman "deserved" it.

 

It's never a good idea to judge an entire group by the behavior of a segment of that group.

 

You don't only "upset" the "female crowd" when you engage in stereptyping. You do a disservice to all humans, animals and yourself. "Upset" is the not the correct word to use, either.

 

When you use stereotypes as you have, you are more revealing about your own prejudices than you are about anyone else. You incorrectly deem someone "upset" by your statements, but in reality, they are more than likely viscerally repulsed by your biased and prejudicial views.

 

Marcy

 

 

 

-

heartwerk

Monday, July 23, 2007 8:47 AM

Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day

 

 

Do you always think that because a number of people do something, everyone else should be looked on in the same way?Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female population can be considered so, and because some men use prostitutes the rest of the male population can be considered that way!Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.Jo , "Don Scott" <donscott wrote:>> Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next statement will> probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women paint> themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no problem with> this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying their hair> (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as if they> were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn sexist> ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the> slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money on boob> jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction and SPEND> THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!> > > > Most females I know just don't realize that men would be attracted to them> if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold. Ask any guy> leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.> > > > On> Behalf Of Peter VV> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot> Dog Day> > > > I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but probably> would get their attention more than normal people......its appealing to the> base instincts in men isnt it?> > Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be different, as> they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there, but I> doubt that they were........> > all I ever find in my salads is insects.............> > > > The Valley Vegan...........> > flower child <zurumato wrote:> > that is sexist. > > If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they> can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their> chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like this> actually turn people vegan? > > <%40> ,> Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> >> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......> > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > > > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but> strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside the> House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free> veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of> Animals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill to> counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat> Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseball> sluggers and congressmen.> > > >> > > > > > Peter H > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif> > > > > _____ > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try> <http://uk.answers./;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA> 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.>

[Guest guest]

Hi Don

 

I disagree. Why should we ignore one evil until another is defeated? Should we put the issue of animal rights on the back burner until every human in the world can live free from fear of torture? Should we forget about animal rights until we have brought about world peace?

 

There are many, many evils in the world - please, let's not just ignore something that's wrong purely because something else is wrong.

 

As a matter of interest: what would you be prepared to do to save the life of a prostitute?

 

BB

Peter

 

-

Don Scott

Monday, July 23, 2007 5:20 PM

RE: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day

 

 

We need to attract people to Veganism and I don’t think taking “sexy” out of the message is going to help. As I said in another post I see the way women dress to attract while walking the Wild Animal Park. It’s a rare woman indeed who doesn’t fall prey to sexual advertizing. It’s not their fault, of course. Get rid of the TV and it things could change.

 

Let’s put the issue of sexism on the back burner until the killing stops. It’s a matter of degree. If I can save one animal by putting up a picture of a prostitute, I will do it!

 

 

 

On Behalf Of heartwerkMonday, July 23, 2007 8:48 AM Subject: Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day

 

 

 

 

Do you always think that because a number of people do something, everyone else should be looked on in the same way?Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female population can be considered so, and because some men use prostitutes the rest of the male population can be considered that way!Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.Jo , "Don Scott" <donscott wrote:>> Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next statement will> probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women paint> themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no problem with> this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying their hair> (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as if they> were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn sexist> ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the> slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money on boob> jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction and SPEND> THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!> > > > Most females I know just don't realize that men would be attracted to them> if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold. Ask any guy> leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.> > > > On> Behalf Of Peter VV> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot> Dog Day> > > > I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but probably> would get their attention more than normal people......its appealing to the> base instincts in men isnt it?> > Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be different, as> they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there, but I> doubt that they were........> > all I ever find in my salads is insects.............> > > > The Valley Vegan...........> > flower child <zurumato wrote:> > that is sexist. > > If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they> can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their> chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like this> actually turn people vegan? > > <%40> ,> Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> >> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following article/photo......> > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > > > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but> strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside the> House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free> veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of> Animals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill to> counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat> Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League baseball> sluggers and congressmen.> > > >> > > > > > Peter H > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif> > > > > _____ > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try> <http://uk.answers./;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTAEc2VjA> 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.>

[Guest guest]

We will continue to disagree on this issue. Sometimes the ends

do justify the means. The “matter of interest” question is simply

baiting.

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of metalscarab

Monday, July 23, 2007 1:13 PM

 

Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National

Hot Dog Day

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi Don

 

 

 

 

 

I disagree. Why should we ignore one evil

until another is defeated? Should we put the issue of animal rights on the back

burner until every human in the world can live free from fear of torture?

Should we forget about animal rights until we have brought about world peace?

 

 

 

 

 

There are many, many evils in the world -

please, let's not just ignore something that's wrong purely because something

else is wrong.

 

 

 

 

 

As a matter of interest: what would you be

prepared to do to save the life of a prostitute?

 

 

 

 

 

BB

 

 

Peter

 

 

 

-

 

 

Don

Scott

 

 

 

 

Monday, July 23, 2007 5:20 PM

 

 

RE: PETA and Playboy

Playmates Team up for National Hot Dog Day

 

 

 

 

 

We need to

attract people to Veganism and I don’t think taking “sexy”

out of the message is going to help. As I said in another post I see the way

women dress to attract while walking the Wild Animal Park. It’s a rare

woman indeed who doesn’t fall prey to sexual advertizing. It’s not

their fault, of course. Get rid of the TV and it things could change.

 

Let’s put

the issue of sexism on the back burner until the killing stops. It’s a

matter of degree. If I can save one animal by putting up a picture of a

prostitute, I will do it!

 

 

 

On Behalf Of heartwerk

Monday, July 23, 2007 8:48 AM

 

Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National

Hot Dog Day

 

 

 

 

 

 

Do you always think that because a number of people

do something,

everyone else should be looked on in the same way?

 

Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female

population can be considered so, and because some men use prostitutes

the rest of the male population can be considered that way!

 

Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.

 

Jo

 

,

" Don Scott " <donscott wrote:

>

> Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next

statement will

> probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women

paint

> themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no

problem with

> this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying

their hair

> (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as

if they

> were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn

sexist

> ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the

> slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money

on boob

> jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction

and SPEND

> THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

>

>

>

> Most females I know just don't realize that men would be attracted

to them

> if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold.

Ask any guy

> leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

>

>

>

>

 

 

On

> Behalf Of Peter VV

> Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

>

> Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot

> Dog Day

>

>

>

> I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

probably

> would get their attention more than normal people......its

appealing to the

> base instincts in men isnt it?

>

> Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

different, as

> they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there,

but I

> doubt that they were........

>

> all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

>

>

>

> The Valley Vegan...........

>

> flower child <zurumato wrote:

>

> that is sexist.

>

> If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they

> can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

> chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like

this

> actually turn people vegan?

>

>

<%

40> ,

> Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> >

> > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

article/photo......

> >

> > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> >

> > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but

> strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside the

> House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free

> veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of

> Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill

to

> counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

baseball

> sluggers and congressmen.

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> Peter H

>

> <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif>

 

>

>

>

> _____

>

> Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try

>

<http://uk.answers./;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTA

Ec2VjA

> 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.

>

[Guest guest]

Well said Marcy.

 

Jo

 

, " Marcy " <imgreen03 wrote:

>

> Don-

> you suffer from a common malady. You see the world in absolutes.

>

> It's called stereotyping. Obviously, you must know that some of

us doesn't represent the entire population of that group.

Further, people do change. Nothing really stays the same.

>

> If you want change, you should work for it. Be the change you want

to see, as they say.

>

> For example, as a woman, I used to shave, wear make up, high-heeled

shoes, stockings, etc......

>

> Now, I don't do any of those things. I've shifted my entire

lifestyle. But there are still lots of women who still do those

things. They aren't all like me. In fact, there are entire cultures

in which women don't do all those things. I just don't live in one

of them.

>

> How many men, do you suppose, like women with unshaven hair in the

usually-shaved places? There are strong societal pressures to

conform, in every society.

>

> How much marketing is done to ensure that men and women conform to

stereotypes? Doesn't that SELL products, when manufacturers can

predict behaviors to match their products? Or when they can develop

products to match those behaviors?

>

> It's a pretty simplistic assessment (or view) of the world, to

refer to " women " as if they are all the same. It's equally

simplistic to refer to " men " as if they are all the same.

>

> It's likewise simplistic to view any entire group as all the same,

be they Americans, French, Jews, New Yorkers, even animals, dogs,

cats, horses. We all have different personalities.

>

> Further, you come dangerously close to " blaming the victim " . Some

people call the PETA sort of advertising exploitative. I don't see

it that way, but I've heard many call it that. Marketing is often

that way. But if you do see women as exploited, and therefore

victimized, what Don is doing is blaming the victim, as in a rape,

when someone says the woman " deserved " it.

>

> It's never a good idea to judge an entire group by the behavior of

a segment of that group.

>

> You don't only " upset " the " female crowd " when you engage in

stereptyping. You do a disservice to all humans, animals and

yourself. " Upset " is the not the correct word to use, either.

>

> When you use stereotypes as you have, you are more revealing about

your own prejudices than you are about anyone else. You incorrectly

deem someone " upset " by your statements, but in reality, they are

more than likely viscerally repulsed by your biased and prejudicial

views.

>

> Marcy

>

>

> -

> heartwerk

>

> Monday, July 23, 2007 8:47 AM

> Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot Dog Day

>

>

> Do you always think that because a number of people do something,

> everyone else should be looked on in the same way?

>

> Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the

female

> population can be considered so, and because some men use

prostitutes

> the rest of the male population can be considered that way!

>

> Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.

>

> Jo

>

> , " Don Scott " <donscott@> wrote:

> >

> > Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next

> statement will

> > probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women

> paint

> > themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no

> problem with

> > this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying

> their hair

> > (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing

up as

> if they

> > were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will

condemn

> sexist

> > ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop

the

> > slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting

money

> on boob

> > jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual

attraction

> and SPEND

> > THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

> >

> >

> >

> > Most females I know just don't realize that men would be

attracted

> to them

> > if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be

sold.

> Ask any guy

> > leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> On

> > Behalf Of Peter VV

> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

> >

> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

> National Hot

> > Dog Day

> >

> >

> >

> > I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

> probably

> > would get their attention more than normal people......its

> appealing to the

> > base instincts in men isnt it?

> >

> > Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

> different, as

> > they would be able to show that there are vegan models out

there,

> but I

> > doubt that they were........

> >

> > all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

> >

> >

> >

> > The Valley Vegan...........

> >

> > flower child <zurumato@> wrote:

> >

> > that is sexist.

> >

> > If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why

they

> > can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on

their

> > chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns

like

> this

> > actually turn people vegan?

> >

> > <%

> 40> ,

> > Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

> article/photo......

> > >

> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> > >

> > > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but

> > strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside

the

> > House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out

free

> > veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical

Treatment of

> > Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill

to

> > counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> > Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

> baseball

> > sluggers and congressmen.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Peter H

> >

> > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif>

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try

> >

>

<http://uk.answers./;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTA

> Ec2VjA

> > 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

You are saying that stopping sexism should go on hold for eternity

then because there will always be killing. There will never ever be

a time when the whole world will give up killing animals.

 

You seem to be a most peculair mix of sceptic and niavety to me. I

think your views are just the ones that suit you and you try to

justify them.

 

Jo

 

 

, " Don Scott " <donscott wrote:

>

> We need to attract people to Veganism and I don't think

taking " sexy " out of

> the message is going to help. As I said in another post I see the

way women

> dress to attract while walking the Wild Animal Park. It's a rare

woman

> indeed who doesn't fall prey to sexual advertizing. It's not their

fault, of

> course. Get rid of the TV and it things could change.

>

>

>

> Let's put the issue of sexism on the back burner until the killing

stops.

> It's a matter of degree. If I can save one animal by putting up a

picture of

> a prostitute, I will do it!

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of heartwerk

> Monday, July 23, 2007 8:48 AM

>

> Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot

> Dog Day

>

>

>

> Do you always think that because a number of people do something,

> everyone else should be looked on in the same way?

>

> Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female

> population can be considered so, and because some men use

prostitutes

> the rest of the male population can be considered that way!

>

> Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.

>

> Jo

>

> <%

40> ,

> " Don Scott " <donscott@> wrote:

> >

> > Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next

> statement will

> > probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women

> paint

> > themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no

> problem with

> > this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying

> their hair

> > (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up

as

> if they

> > were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn

> sexist

> > ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the

> > slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting

money

> on boob

> > jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction

> and SPEND

> > THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

> >

> >

> >

> > Most females I know just don't realize that men would be

attracted

> to them

> > if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold.

> Ask any guy

> > leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

> >

> >

> >

> > <%

40>

> [ <%

40> ]

> On

> > Behalf Of Peter VV

> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

> > <%

40>

> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

> National Hot

> > Dog Day

> >

> >

> >

> > I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

> probably

> > would get their attention more than normal people......its

> appealing to the

> > base instincts in men isnt it?

> >

> > Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

> different, as

> > they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there,

> but I

> > doubt that they were........

> >

> > all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

> >

> >

> >

> > The Valley Vegan...........

> >

> > flower child <zurumato@> wrote:

> >

> > that is sexist.

> >

> > If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why

they

> > can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

> > chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like

> this

> > actually turn people vegan?

> >

> > <%

40>

> <%

> 40> ,

> > Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

> article/photo......

> > >

> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> > >

> > > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but

> > strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside

the

> > House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out

free

> > veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment

of

> > Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

> > counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> > Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

> baseball

> > sluggers and congressmen.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Peter H

> >

> > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif>

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try

> >

>

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> Ec2VjA

> > 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think maybe questions have been asked that you cannot answer

because you had not given them any thought!

 

Jo

 

, " Don Scott " <donscott wrote:

>

> We will continue to disagree on this issue. Sometimes the ends do

justify

> the means. The " matter of interest " question is simply baiting.

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of metalscarab

> Monday, July 23, 2007 1:13 PM

>

> Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot

> Dog Day

>

>

>

> Hi Don

>

>

>

> I disagree. Why should we ignore one evil until another is

defeated? Should

> we put the issue of animal rights on the back burner until every

human in

> the world can live free from fear of torture? Should we forget

about animal

> rights until we have brought about world peace?

>

>

>

> There are many, many evils in the world - please, let's not just

ignore

> something that's wrong purely because something else is wrong.

>

>

>

> As a matter of interest: what would you be prepared to do to save

the life

> of a prostitute?

>

>

>

> BB

>

> Peter

>

> -

>

> Don <donscott Scott

>

>

>

> Monday, July 23, 2007 5:20 PM

>

> RE: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot

> Dog Day

>

>

>

> We need to attract people to Veganism and I don't think

taking " sexy " out of

> the message is going to help. As I said in another post I see the

way women

> dress to attract while walking the Wild Animal Park. It's a rare

woman

> indeed who doesn't fall prey to sexual advertizing. It's not their

fault, of

> course. Get rid of the TV and it things could change.

>

>

>

> Let's put the issue of sexism on the back burner until the killing

stops.

> It's a matter of degree. If I can save one animal by putting up a

picture of

> a prostitute, I will do it!

>

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of heartwerk

> Monday, July 23, 2007 8:48 AM

>

> Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

National Hot

> Dog Day

>

>

>

> Do you always think that because a number of people do something,

> everyone else should be looked on in the same way?

>

> Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female

> population can be considered so, and because some men use

prostitutes

> the rest of the male population can be considered that way!

>

> Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.

>

> Jo

>

> <%

40> ,

> " Don Scott " <donscott@> wrote:

> >

> > Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next

> statement will

> > probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women

> paint

> > themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no

> problem with

> > this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying

> their hair

> > (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up

as

> if they

> > were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn

> sexist

> > ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the

> > slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting

money

> on boob

> > jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction

> and SPEND

> > THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

> >

> >

> >

> > Most females I know just don't realize that men would be

attracted

> to them

> > if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold.

> Ask any guy

> > leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

> >

> >

> >

> > <%

40>

> [ <%

40> ]

> On

> > Behalf Of Peter VV

> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

> > <%

40>

> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

> National Hot

> > Dog Day

> >

> >

> >

> > I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

> probably

> > would get their attention more than normal people......its

> appealing to the

> > base instincts in men isnt it?

> >

> > Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

> different, as

> > they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there,

> but I

> > doubt that they were........

> >

> > all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

> >

> >

> >

> > The Valley Vegan...........

> >

> > flower child <zurumato@> wrote:

> >

> > that is sexist.

> >

> > If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why

they

> > can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their

> > chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like

> this

> > actually turn people vegan?

> >

> > <%

40>

> <%

> 40> ,

> > Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> > >

> > > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

> article/photo......

> > >

> > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> > >

> > > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but

> > strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside

the

> > House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out

free

> > veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment

of

> > Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill to

> > counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> > Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

> baseball

> > sluggers and congressmen.

> > >

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Peter H

> >

> > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif>

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try

> >

>

<http://uk.answers./;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTA

> Ec2VjA

> > 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Easy Jo................. The Valley Vegan............heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I think maybe questions have been asked that you cannot answer because you had not given them any thought!Jo , "Don Scott" <donscott wrote:>> We will continue to disagree on this issue. Sometimes the ends do justify> the means. The "matter of

interest" question is simply baiting.> > > > On> Behalf Of metalscarab> Monday, July 23, 2007 1:13 PM> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot> Dog Day> > > > Hi Don> > > > I disagree. Why should we ignore one evil until another is defeated? Should> we put the issue of animal rights on the back burner until every human in> the world can live free from fear of torture? Should we forget about animal> rights until we have brought about world peace?> > > > There are many, many evils

in the world - please, let's not just ignore> something that's wrong purely because something else is wrong.> > > > As a matter of interest: what would you be prepared to do to save the life> of a prostitute?> > > > BB> > Peter> > - > > Don <donscott Scott > > > > Monday, July 23, 2007 5:20 PM> > RE: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot> Dog Day> > > > We need to attract people to Veganism and I don't think taking "sexy" out of> the message is going to help. As I said in another post I see the way women> dress to attract while walking the Wild Animal Park. It's a rare

woman> indeed who doesn't fall prey to sexual advertizing. It's not their fault, of> course. Get rid of the TV and it things could change.> > > > Let's put the issue of sexism on the back burner until the killing stops.> It's a matter of degree. If I can save one animal by putting up a picture of> a prostitute, I will do it!> > > > On> Behalf Of heartwerk> Monday, July 23, 2007 8:48 AM> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for National Hot> Dog Day> > > > Do you always think that because a number of people do

something, > everyone else should be looked on in the same way?> > Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the female > population can be considered so, and because some men use prostitutes > the rest of the male population can be considered that way!> > Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.> > Jo> > <%40> ,> "Don Scott" <donscott@> wrote:> >> > Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next > statement will> > probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women > paint> > themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no > problem with> > this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying > their

hair> > (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing up as > if they> > were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will condemn > sexist> > ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop the> > slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting money > on boob> > jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual attraction > and SPEND> > THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!> > > > > > > > Most females I know just don't realize that men would be attracted > to them> > if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be sold. > Ask any guy> > leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.> > > > > > > >

<%40> > [ <%40> ]> On> > Behalf Of Peter VV> > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM> > <%40> > > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for > National Hot> > Dog Day> > > > > > > > I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but > probably> > would get their attention more than normal people......its > appealing to the> > base instincts in men isnt it?> > > > Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be > different,

as> > they would be able to show that there are vegan models out there, > but I> > doubt that they were........> > > > all I ever find in my salads is insects.............> > > > > > > > The Valley Vegan...........> > > > flower child <zurumato@> wrote:> > > > that is sexist. > > > > If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why they> > can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on their> > chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns like > this> > actually turn people vegan? > > > > <%40>> <%> 40>

,> > Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:> > >> > > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following > article/photo......> > > > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608> > > > > > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but> > strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside the> > House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out free> > veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical Treatment of> > Animals), the self-proclaimed "Lettuce Ladies" were on the Hill to> > counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat> > Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League > baseball> > sluggers and congressmen.> >

> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif> > > > > > > > > _____ > > > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try> > > <http://uk.answers./;_ylc=X3oDMTEydmViNG02BF9TAzIxMTQ3MTcxOTA> Ec2VjA> > 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.> >>Peter H

 

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It's a valid point Peter.

 

The discussion has been fairly varied, but as soon as a couple of

incisive questions are asked there is no discussion! Make of it what

you will.

 

Jo

 

, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:

>

> Easy Jo.................

>

> The Valley Vegan............

>

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote:

> I think maybe questions have been asked that you cannot

answer

> because you had not given them any thought!

>

> Jo

>

> , " Don Scott " <donscott@> wrote:

> >

> > We will continue to disagree on this issue. Sometimes the ends do

> justify

> > the means. The " matter of interest " question is simply baiting.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> On

> > Behalf Of metalscarab

> > Monday, July 23, 2007 1:13 PM

> >

> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

> National Hot

> > Dog Day

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi Don

> >

> >

> >

> > I disagree. Why should we ignore one evil until another is

> defeated? Should

> > we put the issue of animal rights on the back burner until every

> human in

> > the world can live free from fear of torture? Should we forget

> about animal

> > rights until we have brought about world peace?

> >

> >

> >

> > There are many, many evils in the world - please, let's not just

> ignore

> > something that's wrong purely because something else is wrong.

> >

> >

> >

> > As a matter of interest: what would you be prepared to do to save

> the life

> > of a prostitute?

> >

> >

> >

> > BB

> >

> > Peter

> >

> > -

> >

> > Don <donscott@> Scott

> >

> >

> >

> > Monday, July 23, 2007 5:20 PM

> >

> > RE: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

> National Hot

> > Dog Day

> >

> >

> >

> > We need to attract people to Veganism and I don't think

> taking " sexy " out of

> > the message is going to help. As I said in another post I see the

> way women

> > dress to attract while walking the Wild Animal Park. It's a rare

> woman

> > indeed who doesn't fall prey to sexual advertizing. It's not

their

> fault, of

> > course. Get rid of the TV and it things could change.

> >

> >

> >

> > Let's put the issue of sexism on the back burner until the

killing

> stops.

> > It's a matter of degree. If I can save one animal by putting up a

> picture of

> > a prostitute, I will do it!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> On

> > Behalf Of heartwerk

> > Monday, July 23, 2007 8:48 AM

> >

> > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

> National Hot

> > Dog Day

> >

> >

> >

> > Do you always think that because a number of people do something,

> > everyone else should be looked on in the same way?

> >

> > Presumably because some women are prostitues the rest of the

female

> > population can be considered so, and because some men use

> prostitutes

> > the rest of the male population can be considered that way!

> >

> > Maybe a rethink might be a good idea.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> > <%

> 40> ,

> > " Don Scott " <donscott@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Sex and violence drive most advertising campaigns. My next

> > statement will

> > > probably upset the female crowd but here goes. As long as women

> > paint

> > > themselves up like clowns to attract the opposite sex I have no

> > problem with

> > > this kind of advertizing. When the majority of women stop dying

> > their hair

> > > (two two-tone striped skunk look is now popular) and dressing

up

> as

> > if they

> > > were trying to get someone to buy them dinner then I will

condemn

> > sexist

> > > ads. Until then, we must do whatever is needed to try and stop

the

> > > slaughter. I support PETA and wish females would stop wasting

> money

> > on boob

> > > jobs, makeup, perfume and the accoutrements of sexual

attraction

> > and SPEND

> > > THEIR MONEY ON SAVING LIVES!

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Most females I know just don't realize that men would be

> attracted

> > to them

> > > if they wore khaki's and combat boots. We don't need to be

sold.

> > Ask any guy

> > > leaving a bar at 2PM and he will tell you the same.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>

> > [ <%

> 40> ]

> > On

> > > Behalf Of Peter VV

> > > Saturday, July 21, 2007 12:24 PM

> > > <%

> 40>

> > > Re: PETA and Playboy Playmates Team up for

> > National Hot

> > > Dog Day

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > I seriously doubt if campaigns like this turn people vegan, but

> > probably

> > > would get their attention more than normal people......its

> > appealing to the

> > > base instincts in men isnt it?

> > >

> > > Now if they were vegan as well as models then that would be

> > different, as

> > > they would be able to show that there are vegan models out

there,

> > but I

> > > doubt that they were........

> > >

> > > all I ever find in my salads is insects.............

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > The Valley Vegan...........

> > >

> > > flower child <zurumato@> wrote:

> > >

> > > that is sexist.

> > >

> > > If they are going to use this approach, I don't understand why

> they

> > > can't use real women. Not cartoon-like ones with plastic on

their

> > > chest. The important question would be however, if campaigns

like

> > this

> > > actually turn people vegan?

> > >

> > > <%

> 40>

> > <%

> > 40> ,

> > > Peter VV <swpgh01@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > I admit it, I am a sexist pig hence the following

> > article/photo......

> > > >

> > > > http://www.flickr.com/photos/8206629@N05/847091608

> > > >

> > > > What were two Playboy playmates-wearing nothing but

> > > strategically-placed lettuce leaves-doing earlier today outside

> the

> > > House of Representatives' Rayburn building? Besides handing out

> free

> > > veggie dogs with reps from PETA (People for the Ethical

Treatment

> of

> > > Animals), the self-proclaimed " Lettuce Ladies " were on the Hill

to

> > > counter National Hot Dog Day. Inside Rayburn, the American Meat

> > > Institute celebrated the occasion with assorted Major League

> > baseball

> > > sluggers and congressmen.

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Peter H

> > >

> > > <http://us.i1.yimg.com/us.yimg.com/i/mesg/tsmileys2/47.gif>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > _____

> > >

> > > Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try

> > >

> >

>

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> > Ec2VjA

> > > 21haWwEc2xrA3RhZ2xpbmU> it now.

> > >

> >

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>

>

>

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