Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someone could advise. I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers to stop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terror attacks in London & Glasgow: If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unless you make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give them your personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by the civil rights group Liberty: The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes (eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets You do not have to give your name or address. You do not have to explain why you are there. You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are not required to be actively compliant. You are allowed to "go limp" as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply. There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search. You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph or record you (although you cannot wear a mask). Women can not be touched by male police during these searches. Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force. Note the time & the events preceding the search. Note the specific wording used by the police to explain their authority to search. Ask police for the reason that they are searching you. Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you? check out: www.liberty-human-rights.org.ukPeter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Hi PeterOne other thing - they are obliged to provide you with a " receipt " to state you have been searched, including a date, time and reason. Check before they search you that they have the necessary paperwork with them to provide the receipt - if they don't, they can't search you. Also, the police can not prevent you taking photographs (although, they can attempt to hide their faces) - useful if they try to keep their identities secret (which is also an illegal act). From experience, I'd recommend getting the officer's name and number before they attempt to search you, because if they refuse to give it, they are acting illegally and you can refuse to be searched until they provide legal identification of their status as police officers ( i.e. including their name and number).BBPeterOn 28/07/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someone could advise. I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers to stop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terror attacks in London & Glasgow: If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unless you make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give them your personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by the civil rights group Liberty: The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes (eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets You do not have to give your name or address. You do not have to explain why you are there. You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are not required to be actively compliant. You are allowed to " go limp " as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply. There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search. You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph or record you (although you cannot wear a mask). Women can not be touched by male police during these searches. Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force. Note the time & the events preceding the search. Note the specific wording used by the police to explain their authority to search. Ask police for the reason that they are searching you. Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you? check out: www.liberty-human-rights.org.ukPeter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Thanks Peter, these are good points, however a lot of intimidation by the boys in blue sometimes makes you forget these points, especially if they try and get you on your own. The Valley Vegan................Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Hi PeterOne other thing - they are obliged to provide you with a "receipt" to state you have been searched, including a date, time and reason. Check before they search you that they have the necessary paperwork with them to provide the receipt - if they don't, they can't search you. Also, the police can not prevent you taking photographs (although, they can attempt to hide their faces) - useful if they try to keep their identities secret (which is also an illegal act). From experience, I'd recommend getting the officer's name and number before they attempt to search you, because if they refuse to give it, they are acting illegally and you can refuse to be searched until they provide legal identification of their status as police officers ( i.e. including their name and number).BBPeter On 28/07/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 (AT) talk21 (DOT) com> wrote: Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someone could advise. I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers to stop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terror attacks in London & Glasgow: If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unless you make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give them your personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by the civil rights group Liberty: The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes (eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets You do not have to give your name or address. You do not have to explain why you are there. You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are not required to be actively compliant. You are allowed to "go limp" as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply. There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search. You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph or record you (although you cannot wear a mask). Women can not be touched by male police during these searches. Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force. Note the time & the events preceding the search. Note the specific wording used by the police to explain their authority to search. Ask police for the reason that they are searching you. Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you? check out: www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Hi PeterIndeed - they will also often threaten to arrest you if you don't give them your name and address. It's only ever happened to me once, and I took their collar number and told them that if they wanted my name and address they would have to arrest me, and in order to arrest me they'd need grounds or find themselves being sued for wrongful arrest... and failure to give your name and address is not grounds for arrest! BBPeterOn 28/07/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: Thanks Peter, these are good points, however a lot of intimidation by the boys in blue sometimes makes you forget these points, especially if they try and get you on your own. The Valley Vegan................ Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: Hi PeterOne other thing - they are obliged to provide you with a " receipt " to state you have been searched, including a date, time and reason. Check before they search you that they have the necessary paperwork with them to provide the receipt - if they don't, they can't search you. Also, the police can not prevent you taking photographs (although, they can attempt to hide their faces) - useful if they try to keep their identities secret (which is also an illegal act). From experience, I'd recommend getting the officer's name and number before they attempt to search you, because if they refuse to give it, they are acting illegally and you can refuse to be searched until they provide legal identification of their status as police officers ( i.e. including their name and number).BBPeter On 28/07/07, Peter VV < swpgh01 wrote: Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someone could advise. I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers to stop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terror attacks in London & Glasgow: If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unless you make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give them your personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by the civil rights group Liberty: The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes (eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets You do not have to give your name or address. You do not have to explain why you are there. You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are not required to be actively compliant. You are allowed to " go limp " as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply. There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search. You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph or record you (although you cannot wear a mask). Women can not be touched by male police during these searches. Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force. Note the time & the events preceding the search. Note the specific wording used by the police to explain their authority to search. Ask police for the reason that they are searching you. Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you? check out: www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Peter H Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I thought that under section 6 of the CJA the police had a right to ask for your details and where you are going, what you are doing. Surely they could frisk you under section 44 of the Terrorism Act and get your details under section 6 of the CJA! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someone could advise. > > I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers to stop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terror attacks in London & Glasgow: > > If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unless you make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give them your personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by the civil rights group Liberty: > The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes (eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets > You do not have to give your name or address. > You do not have to explain why you are there. > You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are not required to be actively compliant. You are allowed to " go limp " as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply. > There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search. > You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph or record you (although you cannot wear a mask). > Women can not be touched by male police during these searches. > Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force. > Note the time & the events preceding the search. > Note the specific wording used by the police to explain their authority to search. > Ask police for the reason that they are searching you. Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you? > check out: www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk > > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Hi Peter I know they don't like being photographed, because they look most uncomfortable when you do :-) BB Jo , " Peter Kebbell " <metalscarab wrote: > > Hi Peter > > One other thing - they are obliged to provide you with a " receipt " to state > you have been searched, including a date, time and reason. Check before they > search you that they have the necessary paperwork with them to provide the > receipt - if they don't, they can't search you. > > Also, the police can not prevent you taking photographs (although, they can > attempt to hide their faces) - useful if they try to keep their identities > secret (which is also an illegal act). From experience, I'd recommend > getting the officer's name and number before they attempt to search you, > because if they refuse to give it, they are acting illegally and you can > refuse to be searched until they provide legal identification of their > status as police officers (i.e. including their name and number). > > BB > Peter > > On 28/07/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > > > Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someone could > > advise. > > > > > > I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers to stop and > > search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terror attacks in London & > > Glasgow: > > > > If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you > > have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unless you make it clear > > you know them. They may try & get you to give them your personal details, & > > they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here > > are some pointers provided by the civil rights group Liberty: > > The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes (eg: > > jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets > > You do not have to give your name or address. > > You do not have to explain why you are there. > > You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are not required to be > > actively compliant. You are allowed to " go limp " as passive resistance > > during the search if you do not wish to comply. > > There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search. > > You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph or record you > > (although you cannot wear a mask). > > Women can not be touched by male police during these searches. > > Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police > > force. > > Note the time & the events preceding the search. > > Note the specific wording used by the police to explain their authority > > to search. > > Ask police for the reason that they are searching you. Specifically, are > > they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or > > inconvenience you? > > check out: > > *www.liberty-human- rights.org.uk*<http://uk.f867.mail./ym/www.liberty-human- rights.org.uk> > > > > > > > > Peter H > > > > ------------------------------ > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up > > for your free account today<http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://uk.docs./mail/ winter07.html>. > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 We were stopped when driving to hunt sab once. We had a dozen or so police circling us to search our car and ask where we were going, what we were doing. I took the mick a bit by showing my sandwiches, but it was scary. Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: > > Thanks Peter, these are good points, however a lot of intimidation by the boys in blue sometimes makes you forget these points, especially if they try and get you on your own. > > The Valley Vegan................ > > Peter Kebbell <metalscarab wrote: > Hi Peter > > One other thing - they are obliged to provide you with a " receipt " to state you have been searched, including a date, time and reason. Check before they search you that they have the necessary paperwork with them to provide the receipt - if they don't, they can't search you. > > Also, the police can not prevent you taking photographs (although, they can attempt to hide their faces) - useful if they try to keep their identities secret (which is also an illegal act). From experience, I'd recommend getting the officer's name and number before they attempt to search you, because if they refuse to give it, they are acting illegally and you can refuse to be searched until they provide legal identification of their status as police officers ( i.e. including their name and number). > > BB > Peter > > On 28/07/07, Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote: Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someone could advise. > > I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers to stop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terror attacks in London & Glasgow: > > If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unless you make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give them your personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by the civil rights group Liberty: > The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes (eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets > You do not have to give your name or address. > You do not have to explain why you are there. > You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are not required to be actively compliant. You are allowed to " go limp " as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply. > There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search. > You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph or record you (although you cannot wear a mask). > Women can not be touched by male police during these searches. > Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force. > Note the time & the events preceding the search. > Note the specific wording used by the police to explain their authority to search. > Ask police for the reason that they are searching you. Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you? > check out: > www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk > > > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your free account today. > Peter H > > > > > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less, sign up for your freeaccount today. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Hi JoNo - under section 6 of the CJA they have the right to stop and search, but not to take any personal details. They also have the right to prevent access to, or exit from a particular area when they have invoked the CJA, but until they actually arrest you, you are not required to give name and address. The only exception is if you are driving a car, in which case the driver is obliged to give their details under the Road Traffic Act - but no-one else in the car is under any obligation! Incidentally, it is also not illegal to give a nickname rather than a real name when arrested - the stipulation is that it must be a name by which you are known. Only if you are charged are you required to give your legal name. BBPeterOn 30/07/07, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I thought that under section 6 of the CJA the police had a right toask for your details and where you are going, what you are doing.Surely they could frisk you under section 44 of the Terrorism Act andget your details under section 6 of the CJA! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someonecould advise. >> I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers tostop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terrorattacks in London & Glasgow:>> If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unlessyou make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give themyour personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by thecivil rights group Liberty:> The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes(eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets > You do not have to give your name or address.> You do not have to explain why you are there.> You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are notrequired to be actively compliant. You are allowed to " go limp " as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply.> There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search.> You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph orrecord you (although you cannot wear a mask). > Women can not be touched by male police during these searches.> Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force.> Note the time & the events preceding the search. > Note the specific wording used by the police to explain theirauthority to search.> Ask police for the reason that they are searching you.Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you?> check out: www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk>>> Peter H>>>> > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,sign up for your freeaccount today.>To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Hi Peter I see. I'll have to try to remember that. BBJo - Peter Kebbell Monday, July 30, 2007 11:09 AM Re: Re: Know your rights ( in the UK) Hi JoNo - under section 6 of the CJA they have the right to stop and search, but not to take any personal details. They also have the right to prevent access to, or exit from a particular area when they have invoked the CJA, but until they actually arrest you, you are not required to give name and address. The only exception is if you are driving a car, in which case the driver is obliged to give their details under the Road Traffic Act - but no-one else in the car is under any obligation! Incidentally, it is also not illegal to give a nickname rather than a real name when arrested - the stipulation is that it must be a name by which you are known. Only if you are charged are you required to give your legal name. BBPeter On 30/07/07, heartwerk <jo.heartwork wrote: I thought that under section 6 of the CJA the police had a right toask for your details and where you are going, what you are doing.Surely they could frisk you under section 44 of the Terrorism Act andget your details under section 6 of the CJA! Jo , Peter VV <swpgh01 wrote:>> Sorry, I dont know how this differs in the U.S.A, maybe someonecould advise. >> I posted this due to the Police pushing for invasive powers tostop and search in Cardiff ( where I work ) following the terrorattacks in London & Glasgow:>> If youre stopped & searched under Section 44 of the Terrorism Act 2000 you have specific & clear rights that cops will ignore unlessyou make it clear you know them. They may try & get you to give themyour personal details, & they may attempt to photograph you they are not allowed to do either. Here are some pointers provided by thecivil rights group Liberty:> The police can only give you a pat down, remove outer clothes(eg: jacket, hat) search your bags, & have you empty your pockets > You do not have to give your name or address.> You do not have to explain why you are there.> You are not allowed to flee the search, but you are notrequired to be actively compliant. You are allowed to "go limp" as passive resistance during the search if you do not wish to comply.> There is no permission to collect DNA data during the search.> You do not have to comply with any attempt to photograph orrecord you (although you cannot wear a mask). > Women can not be touched by male police during these searches.> Make notes about the officers searching you - name, number, & police force.> Note the time & the events preceding the search. > Note the specific wording used by the police to explain theirauthority to search.> Ask police for the reason that they are searching you.Specifically, are they searching for terrorists or are they simply trying to deter, delay, or inconvenience you?> check out: www.liberty-human-rights.org.uk>>> Peter H>>>> > Mail is the world's favourite email. Don't settle for less,sign up for your freeaccount today.>To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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