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Hi Everyone,

I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, I see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also involved in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was reading that she is involved in raising funds for "global warming" and is selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to kill cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for "global warming" when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is adding to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they have a lot of "pull" with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the people out there will also write to voice their concerns.

Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS talented; however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving our environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets out of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

Thanks in advance, Gigi veganfitness

 

 

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What bothers me is that she is listed among the " famous vegetarians "

on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on her

personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable exceptions,

of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how " vegetarian " or

" vegan " those people are and whether such issues are really important

to them...

 

, veganfitness wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, I

see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also involved

in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was? reading

that she is involved in raising funds for " global warming " and is

selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

> ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her

company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to kill

cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for " global

warming " when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is adding

to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

> ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they have

a lot of " pull " with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the people

out there will also write to voice their concerns.

> ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS talented;

however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving our

environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets out

of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

> ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness

> ??

>

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[[What bothers me is that she is listed among the " famous vegetarians "

on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on her

personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...]]

 

 

It isn't vegan, but it is perfectly acceptable for vegetarians. Remember,

vegetarians eat dairy. Dairy cows aren't immortal. Even Hindus in India are

allowed to have leather if the cow died of natural causes.

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Wow. I was just thinking about this the

other day as I was trying not to bash my head against the windshield while

driving to work. Fred Grandy, who played “Gopher” on the TV

program “Love Boat” a very long time ago, is a radio commentator in

the Washington D.C. area in the mornings. I listen to

him sometimes with his radio partner. He makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of

the fact that he is a Vegan, which is okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to

give it a rest. So, imagine my surprise back awhile when he did

voice-over radio commercials for a product we have here in the US called “Better

‘n Eggs” which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something-

and how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It might have been

some other similar egg “product”, which is just eggs chemically

altered, but you get my drift. If I didn’t have a life I would

probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired at the moment.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of being_vegan

Saturday, August 25, 2007

9:23 AM

 

Re: Leather

Bracelets

 

 

 

 

 

What bothers me is that she is listed among the

" famous vegetarians "

on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on her

personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable exceptions,

of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how " vegetarian " or

" vegan " those people are and whether such issues are really important

to them...

 

,

veganfitness wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, I

see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also involved

in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was? reading

that she is involved in raising funds for " global warming " and is

selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

> ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her

company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to kill

cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for " global

warming " when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is adding

to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

> ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they have

a lot of " pull " with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the

people

out there will also write to voice their concerns.

> ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS talented;

however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving our

environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets out

of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

> ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness

> ??

>

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I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather and wool but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they didn't buy it new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans when non-veg's see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc.

 

I don't usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a "vegan compassion" t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one day and I couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to me.

 

Do you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became vegan? I haven't seen them.

-ckg Subject: RE: Re: Leather BraceletsTue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

 

 

 

Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was trying not to bash my head against the windshield while driving to work. Fred Grandy, who played “Gopher” on the TV program “Love Boat” a very long time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in the mornings. I listen to him sometimes with his radio partner. He makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a Vegan, which is okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to give it a rest. So, imagine my surprise back awhile when he did voice-over radio commercials for a product we have here in the US called “Better ‘n Eggs” which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something- and how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It might have been some other similar egg “product”, which is just eggs chemically altered, but you get my drift. If I didn’t have a life I would probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired at the moment.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of being_veganSaturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Leather Bracelets

 

 

 

 

What bothers me is that she is listed among the "famous vegetarians"on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on herpersonal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable exceptions,of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how "vegetarian" or"vegan" those people are and whether such issues are really importantto them... , veganfitness wrote:>> Hi Everyone,> ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon ChristieBrinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, Isee that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also involvedin environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was? readingthat she is involved in raising funds for "global warming" and isselling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of thebracelets she sells is made of real leather. > ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to hercompany or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to killcows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for "globalwarming" when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is addingto the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.> ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they havea lot of "pull" with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the peopleout there will also write to voice their concerns. > ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS talented;however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving ourenvironmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets outof other products besides cow or other animal skins.> ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness ?? > > ________> Check Out the new free AIM® Mail -- Unlimited storage andindustry-leading spam and email virus protection.>

 

 

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I expect people feel the same about vegans advertising themselves as

they do about Christians in the street trying to convert people.

 

Jo

 

, " Leslie Davis " <tofuchick

wrote:

>

> I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather and

wool

> but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they

didn't buy

> it new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans

when

> non-veg's see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc. I don't

> usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a " vegan compassion "

> t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one day and I

> couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to

me. Do

> you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became

vegan? I

> haven't seen them.

>

> -

> ckg

>

> RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

> Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

>

> Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was trying

not

> to bash my head against the windshield while driving to work.

Fred

> Grandy, who played " Gopher " on the TV program " Love Boat " a very

long

> time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in

the

> mornings. I listen to him sometimes with his radio partner. He

> makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a Vegan, which

is

> okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to give it a rest. So,

> imagine my surprise back awhile when he did voice-over radio

> commercials for a product we have here in the US called " Better `n

> Eggs " which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something- and

> how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It might have

been

> some other similar egg " product " , which is just eggs chemically

> altered, but you get my drift. If I didn't have a life I would

> probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired at

the

> moment.

>

> Cyn

>

>

--

>

>

 

> On Behalf Of being_vegan

> Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM

>

> Re: Leather Bracelets

>

> What bothers me is that she is listed among the " famous

vegetarians "

> on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on

her

> personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

> But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable

> exceptions,

> of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how " vegetarian " or

> " vegan " those people are and whether such issues are really

important

> to them...

>

> , veganfitness@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

> Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her

site, I

> see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also

> involved

> in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was?

> reading

> that she is involved in raising funds for " global warming " and is

> selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

> bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

> > ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her

> company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to

> kill

> cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for " global

> warming " when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is

adding

> to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

> > ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they

have

> a lot of " pull " with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the

> people

> out there will also write to voice their concerns.

> > ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS

> talented;

> however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving

our

> environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets

> out

> of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

> > ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness@

> > ??

> >

> > ________

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Hi all, I have read some vegans say they will wear the leather that is still in their closet and not buy anymore of it. I do not wear leather anymore and made a conscious decision to give away all of my genuine leather, regardless of how sentimental it was or how much I loved it. I even gave away an almost new Betsey Johnson gorgeous leather belt with red hearts all over that I NEVER wore; to a good friend of mine. The rest of my stuff was given to my twin sister! Now people will not see me with leather and think of me as hypocritical. But, to each his own. That's my take on it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

heartwerk <jo.heartwork

 

Wed, 29 Aug 2007 2:46 am

Re: Leather Bracelets

 

 

 

 

 

I expect people feel the same about vegans advertising themselves as

they do about Christians in the street trying to convert people.

 

Jo

 

, "Leslie Davis" <tofuchick

wrote:

>

> I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather and

wool

> but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they

didn't buy

> it new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans

when

> non-veg's see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc. I don't

> usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a "vegan compassion"

> t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one day and I

> couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to

me. Do

> you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became

vegan? I

> haven't seen them.

>

> -

> ckg

>

> RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

> Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

>

> Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was trying

not

> to bash my head against the windshield while driving to work.

Fred

> Grandy, who played "Gopher" on the TV program "Love Boat" a very

long

> time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in

the

> mornings. I listen to him sometimes with his radio partner. He

> makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a Vegan, which

is

> okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to give it a rest. So,

> imagine my surprise back awhile when he did voice-over radio

> commercials for a product we have here in the US called "Better `n

> Eggs" which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something- and

> how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It might have

been

> some other similar egg "product", which is just eggs chemically

> altered, but you get my drift. If I didn't have a life I would

> probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired at

the

> moment.

>

> Cyn

>

> -------------------------

--

>

>

 

> On Behalf Of being_vegan

> Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM

>

> Re: Leather Bracelets

>

> What bothers me is that she is listed among the "famous

vegetarians"

> on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on

her

> personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

> But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable

> exceptions,

> of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how "vegetarian" or

> "vegan" those people are and whether such issues are really

important

> to them...

>

> , veganfitness@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

> Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her

site, I

> see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also

> involved

> in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was?

> reading

> that she is involved in raising funds for "global warming" and is

> selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

> bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

> > ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her

> company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to

> kill

> cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for "global

> warming" when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is

adding

> to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

> > ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they

have

> a lot of "pull" with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the

> people

> out there will also write to voice their concerns.

> > ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS

> talented;

> however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving

our

> environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets

> out

> of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

> > ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness@

> > ??

> >

> > ________

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I find it so strange that people criticize vegans or vegetarians. We're promoting the end of murder to animals. How can someone criticize that? Logically they can't. But my "vegan guru" -- CompassionateCooks.com -- says we're a mirror to others. Others see us and actually see what they don't like about themselves. But I still find it odd. I grew up eating meat and didn't stop till I was 29 (last November). But when I met someone who was vegetarian, I wasn't all defensive and hating. I admired him for it but figured it'd never work for me.Leslie Davis <tofuchick wrote: I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather and wool but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they didn't buy it new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans when non-veg's see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc. I don't usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a "vegan compassion" t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one day and I couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to me. Do you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became vegan? I haven't seen them. -ckg Subject: RE: Re: Leather

BraceletsTue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400 Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was trying not to bash my head against the windshield while driving to work. Fred Grandy, who played “Gopher” on the TV program “Love Boat” a very long time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in the mornings. I listen to him sometimes with his radio partner. He makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a Vegan, which is okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to give it a rest. So, imagine my surprise back awhile when he did voice-over radio commercials for a product we have here in the US called “Better ‘n Eggs” which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something- and how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he

eats. It might have been some other similar egg “product”, which is just eggs chemically altered, but you get my drift. If I didn’t have a life I would probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired at the moment. Cyn On Behalf Of being_veganSaturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Leather Bracelets What bothers me is that she is listed among the "famous vegetarians"on those many lists, but advertising these

leather bracelets on herpersonal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable exceptions,of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how "vegetarian" or"vegan" those people are and whether such issues are really importantto them... , veganfitness wrote:>> Hi Everyone,> ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon ChristieBrinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, Isee that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also involvedin environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was? readingthat she is involved in raising funds for "global warming" and isselling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of thebracelets she sells is made of real leather. > ?? I am hoping that besides

myself, people will write in to hercompany or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to killcows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for "globalwarming" when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is addingto the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.> ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they havea lot of "pull" with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the peopleout there will also write to voice their concerns. > ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS talented;however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving ourenvironmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets outof other products besides cow or other animal skins.> ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness ?? > > ________>

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I just realized that I still own two leather items...a belt from

Austria and hiking boots. I haven't worn either of them in well over

20 years. I've got some donating to do! Thanks! LOL

 

 

 

, veganfitness wrote:

>

>

> ?? Hi all, I have read some vegans say they will wear the leather

that is still in their closet and not buy anymore of it. I do not

wear leather anymore and made a conscious decision to give away all

of my genuine leather, regardless of how sentimental it was or how

much I loved it. I even gave away an almost new Betsey Johnson

gorgeous leather belt with red hearts all over that I NEVER wore; to

a good friend of mine. The rest of my stuff was given to my twin

sister! Now people will not see me with leather and think of me as

hypocritical. But, to each his own. That's my take on it.

>

 

> heartwerk <jo.heartwork

>

> Wed, 29 Aug 2007 2:46 am

> Re: Leather Bracelets

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

I expect people feel the same about vegans advertising themselves

as

>

> they do about Christians in the street trying to convert people.

>

>

>

> Jo

>

>

>

> , " Leslie Davis " <tofuchick@>

>

> wrote:

>

> >

>

> > I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather

and

>

> wool

>

> > but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they

>

> didn't buy

>

> > it new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans

>

> when

>

> > non-veg's see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc. I

don't

>

> > usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a " vegan

compassion "

>

> > t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one day and I

>

> > couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to

>

> me. Do

>

> > you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became

>

> vegan? I

>

> > haven't seen them.

>

> >

>

> > -

>

> > ckg

>

> >

>

> > RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

>

> > Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

>

> >

>

> > Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was

trying

>

> not

>

> > to bash my head against the windshield while driving to work.

>

> Fred

>

> > Grandy, who played " Gopher " on the TV program " Love Boat " a

very

>

> long

>

> > time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in

>

> the

>

> > mornings. I listen to him sometimes with his radio partner. He

>

> > makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a Vegan,

which

>

> is

>

> > okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to give it a rest. So,

>

> > imagine my surprise back awhile when he did voice-over radio

>

> > commercials for a product we have here in the US called " Better

`n

>

> > Eggs " which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something-

and

>

> > how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It might have

>

> been

>

> > some other similar egg " product " , which is just eggs chemically

>

> > altered, but you get my drift. If I didn't have a life I would

>

> > probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired

at

>

> the

>

> > moment.

>

> >

>

> > Cyn

>

> >

>

> > -------------------------

>

> --

>

> >

>

> >

>

>

>

> > On Behalf Of being_vegan

>

> > Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM

>

> >

>

> > Re: Leather Bracelets

>

> >

>

> > What bothers me is that she is listed among the " famous

>

> vegetarians "

>

> > on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on

>

> her

>

> > personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

>

> > But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable

>

> > exceptions,

>

> > of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how " vegetarian "

or

>

> > " vegan " those people are and whether such issues are really

>

> important

>

> > to them...

>

> >

>

> > , veganfitness@ wrote:

>

> > >

>

> > > Hi Everyone,

>

> > > ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

>

> > Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her

>

> site, I

>

> > see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also

>

> > involved

>

> > in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was?

>

> > reading

>

> > that she is involved in raising funds for " global warming " and

is

>

> > selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

>

> > bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

>

> > > ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to

her

>

> > company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical

to

>

> > kill

>

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Nope, he was going on and on about being a

Vegan and then the commercial kept airing during the same broadcast about these

“eggs” being the ONLY eggs he will eat.  And, they are not Vegan

egg substitute; they are eggs that I can only call chemically altered –

cholesterol has been reduced or something.  But he is funny at any rate, keeps

me awake during my 1 ½ hour drive to work and 1 ½ hour drive home. I am NOT eco-friendly,

I admit, but you have to go where the job is.  I am a LARGE lady who drives a

VERY small car, however.  I haven’t heard him do one of these commercials

lately.  Perhaps someone blasted him about it.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of Leslie Davis

Wednesday, August 29, 2007

1:13 AM

 

RE: Re:

Leather Bracelets

 

 

 

 

 

 

I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather and wool

but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they didn't buy

it new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans when non-veg's

see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc.

 

 

 

 

 

I don't usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a " vegan

compassion " t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one

day and I couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to

me.

 

 

 

 

 

Do you think Fred Grandy

made those commercials before he became vegan? I haven't seen them.

 

 

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RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

 

 

Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was trying

not to bash my head against the windshield while driving to work. Fred

Grandy, who played “Gopher” on the TV program “Love

Boat” a very long time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in the mornings.

I listen to him sometimes with his radio partner. He makes a BIG FAT

HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a Vegan, which is okay, but come on,

sometimes one needs to give it a rest. So, imagine my surprise back awhile

when he did voice-over radio commercials for a product we have here in the US

called “Better ‘n Eggs” which is eggs with the cholesterol

removed or something- and how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he

eats. It might have been some other similar egg “product”,

which is just eggs chemically altered, but you get my drift. If I

didn’t have a life I would probably email him and blast him, but I am

just too damn tired at the moment.

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of being_vegan

Saturday, August 25, 2007

9:23 AM

 

Re: Leather

Bracelets

 

 

 

 

 

What

bothers me is that she is listed among the " famous vegetarians "

on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on her

personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable exceptions,

of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how " vegetarian " or

" vegan " those people are and whether such issues are really important

to them...

 

,

veganfitness wrote:

>

> Hi Everyone,

> ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, I

see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also involved

in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was? reading

that she is involved in raising funds for " global warming " and is

selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

> ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her

company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to kill

cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for " global

warming " when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is adding

to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

> ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they have

a lot of " pull " with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the

people

out there will also write to voice their concerns.

> ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS talented;

however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving our

environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets out

of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

> ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness

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I think you've struck the main difference between those who will never go vegan, and those who are just waiting for their brains to get the message! People only tend to get defensive if they perceive what they're seeing as a threat to themselves - i.e. if they did what they really felt they should, then it would mean thinking about things. Those people who actually like thinking may perceive veganism as something unusual or odd, but will take it in their stride, and begin thinking about it!!

 

BB

Peter

 

-

Tracy H.

Wednesday, August 29, 2007 7:39 PM

RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

 

I find it so strange that people criticize vegans or vegetarians. We're promoting the end of murder to animals. How can someone criticize that? Logically they can't. But my "vegan guru" -- CompassionateCooks.com -- says we're a mirror to others. Others see us and actually see what they don't like about themselves.

 

But I still find it odd. I grew up eating meat and didn't stop till I was 29 (last November). But when I met someone who was vegetarian, I wasn't all defensive and hating. I admired him for it but figured it'd never work for me.Leslie Davis <tofuchick wrote:

 

 

 

I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather and wool but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they didn't buy it new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans when non-veg's see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc.

 

I don't usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a "vegan compassion" t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one day and I couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to me.

 

Do you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became vegan? I haven't seen them.

-ckg Subject: RE: Re: Leather BraceletsTue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

 

 

 

Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was trying not to bash my head against the windshield while driving to work. Fred Grandy, who played “Gopher” on the TV program “Love Boat” a very long time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in the mornings. I listen to him sometimes with his radio partner. He makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a Vegan, which is okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to give it a rest. So, imagine my surprise back awhile when he did voice-over radio commercials for a product we have here in the US called “Better ‘n Eggs” which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something- and how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It might have been some other similar egg “product”, which is just eggs chemically altered, but you get my drift. If I didn’t have a life I would probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired at the moment.

 

Cyn

 

 

 

 

 

On Behalf Of being_veganSaturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM Subject: Re: Leather Bracelets

 

 

 

 

What bothers me is that she is listed among the "famous vegetarians"on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on herpersonal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable exceptions,of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how "vegetarian" or"vegan" those people are and whether such issues are really importantto them... , veganfitness wrote:>> Hi Everyone,> ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon ChristieBrinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, Isee that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also involvedin environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was? readingthat she is involved in raising funds for "global warming" and isselling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of thebracelets she sells is made of real leather. > ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to hercompany or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to killcows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for "globalwarming" when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is addingto the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.> ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they havea lot of "pull" with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the peopleout there will also write to voice their concerns. > ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS talented;however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving ourenvironmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets outof other products besides cow or other animal skins.> ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness ?? > > ________> Check Out the new free AIM® Mail -- Unlimited storage andindustry-leading spam and email virus protection.>

 

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I think I know the type of " egg-like " substance you mean, sounds like

some stuff my dad had to eat.

 

Once again, he's a public personality, and a lot of people will get

their concept of a vegan from him, and that's a mixed message if he's

promoting anything related to eggs.

 

I used to drive a Jeep...talk about not eco-friendly. <grin> It bit

the dust so right now I'm on bike and foot until I decide what to do

for a car. I have thought about a small car, but I run into a huge

problem of not enough leg room! LOL I've read about various hybrids

and even a new Hummer that's supposed to be solar/algae that actually

puts oxygen back into the air even at rest. It's not due out for

quite a while though, so unless I move to a place with public

transit, I may have to do something else. Winter cold and ice aren't

exactly my favorite things. LOL

 

I've heard about DC traffic! My daughter lived there for a term,

living in Maryland but working in DC. She could take buses and walk

2 miles and get to work in less time than her roomate who drove into

DC.

 

I think it's tough to be eco-friendly on many levels. Sometimes just

to function we have to weigh options. I'm trying, without success,

to convince the owner of the complex I live in to do basic recycling.

 

, " ckg " <cynthiaandtheothers

wrote:

>

> Nope, he was going on and on about being a Vegan and then the

commercial

> kept airing during the same broadcast about these " eggs " being the

ONLY eggs

> he will eat. And, they are not Vegan egg substitute; they are eggs

that I

> can only call chemically altered – cholesterol has been reduced or

> something. But he is funny at any rate, keeps me awake during my 1

½ hour

> drive to work and 1 ½ hour drive home. I am NOT eco-friendly, I

admit, but

> you have to go where the job is. I am a LARGE lady who drives a

VERY small

> car, however. I haven't heard him do one of these commercials

lately.

> Perhaps someone blasted him about it.

>

>

>

> Cyn

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

On

> Behalf Of Leslie Davis

> Wednesday, August 29, 2007 1:13 AM

>

> RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

>

>

>

> I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear leather and

wool but

> justify it by saying they bought it used. I get that they didn't

buy it

> new, however it seems to just make it harder for other vegans when

non-veg's

> see this and think it's ok to wear leather, etc.

>

>

>

> I don't usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a " vegan

compassion "

> t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one day and I

couldn't

> believe the nasty looks and comments that were made to me.

>

>

>

> Do you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became

vegan? I

> haven't seen them.

>

> -

> ckg

>

> RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

> Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

>

> Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was trying

not to

> bash my head against the windshield while driving to work. Fred

Grandy, who

> played " Gopher " on the TV program " Love Boat " a very long time ago,

is a

> radio commentator in the Washington D.C. area in the mornings. I

listen to

> him sometimes with his radio partner. He makes a BIG FAT HAIRY

DEAL of the

> fact that he is a Vegan, which is okay, but come on, sometimes one

needs to

> give it a rest. So, imagine my surprise back awhile when he did

voice-over

> radio commercials for a product we have here in the US

called " Better `n

> Eggs " which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or something- and

how

> WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It might have been

some other

> similar egg " product " , which is just eggs chemically altered, but

you get my

> drift. If I didn't have a life I would probably email him and

blast him,

> but I am just too damn tired at the moment.

>

> Cyn

>

>

>

> _____

>

>

>

On

> Behalf Of being_vegan

> Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM

>

> Re: Leather Bracelets

>

> What bothers me is that she is listed among the " famous vegetarians "

> on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on her

> personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

> But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable

exceptions,

> of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how " vegetarian " or

> " vegan " those people are and whether such issues are really

important

> to them...

>

> @gro <%40>

ups.com,

> veganfitness@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

> Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, I

> see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also

involved

> in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was?

reading

> that she is involved in raising funds for " global warming " and is

> selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

> bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

> > ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her

> company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to

kill

> cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for " global

> warming " when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is

adding

> to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

> > ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they

have

> a lot of " pull " with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the

people

> out there will also write to voice their concerns.

> > ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS

talented;

> however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving our

> environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets

out

> of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

> > ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness@

> > ??

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When my daughter went veg, she decided to " share " the concept with

all of her young friends. Some liked the idea, but their parents

sure didn't! My daughter ended up letting the moms talk to me, still

can't thank her enough for giving out our number to hostile, rude,

and quite vocal moms! As I listened to their rants, I realized that

they mostly seemed scared, or threatened. It seemed that they felt

their child was telling them that the food they made was " wrong " so

they took it deeper, like the child was saying the parent

was " wrong " . The more vehement the child's reaction the more flak

I'd hear from the parent, ie one kid went so far as to say meat was

evil, and the parent yelled at me that we thought she was evil.

 

Usually by the time the parent stopped yelling at me to breathe I'd

jump in and compliment them on doing such a great job raising a child

who thought for herself and wanted to do such a kind thing for

helpless animals. <grin>

 

I noticed the same sorts of attitudes with my extended family as

well. My daughter and I are still not included in any " family "

events because they claim we wouldn't be comfortable. I suspect it's

because we remind them, solely through our actions, that there is a

kinder choice and they aren't making that choice.

 

I wish that criticism was all we got around here though. My daughter

and I have been through some openly hostile attacks.

 

, " Tracy H. " <denise_h22 wrote:

>

> I find it so strange that people criticize vegans or vegetarians.

We're promoting the end of murder to animals. How can someone

criticize that? Logically they can't. But my " vegan guru " --

CompassionateCooks.com -- says we're a mirror to others. Others see

us and actually see what they don't like about themselves.

>

> But I still find it odd. I grew up eating meat and didn't stop

till I was 29 (last November). But when I met someone who was

vegetarian, I wasn't all defensive and hating. I admired him for it

but figured it'd never work for me.

>

> Leslie Davis <tofuchick wrote:

> I've always been a bit miffed at those vegans who wear

leather and wool but justify it by saying they bought it used. I get

that they didn't buy it new, however it seems to just make it harder

for other vegans when non-veg's see this and think it's ok to wear

leather, etc.

>

> I don't usually broadcast that I'm vegan, but I do have a " vegan

compassion " t-shirt. I forgot and wore it to the grocery store one

day and I couldn't believe the nasty looks and comments that were

made to me.

>

> Do you think Fred Grandy made those commercials before he became

vegan? I haven't seen them.

>

>

> -

> ckg

>

> RE: Re: Leather Bracelets

> Tue, 28 Aug 2007 18:04:40 -0400

>

> Wow. I was just thinking about this the other day as I was

trying not to bash my head against the windshield while driving to

work. Fred Grandy, who played " Gopher " on the TV program " Love Boat "

a very long time ago, is a radio commentator in the Washington D.C.

area in the mornings. I listen to him sometimes with his radio

partner. He makes a BIG FAT HAIRY DEAL of the fact that he is a

Vegan, which is okay, but come on, sometimes one needs to give it a

rest. So, imagine my surprise back awhile when he did voice-over

radio commercials for a product we have here in the US

called " Better `n Eggs " which is eggs with the cholesterol removed or

something- and how WHENEVER HE EATS EGGS, that is what he eats. It

might have been some other similar egg " product " , which is just eggs

chemically altered, but you get my drift. If I didn't have a life I

would probably email him and blast him, but I am just too damn tired

at the moment.

>

> Cyn

>

>

>

>

>

On Behalf Of being_vegan

> Saturday, August 25, 2007 9:23 AM

>

> Re: Leather Bracelets

>

>

> What bothers me is that she is listed among the " famous

vegetarians "

> on those many lists, but advertising these leather bracelets on her

> personal website doesn't sound very vegetarian to me...

> But I guess it's just the typical thing (with some notable

exceptions,

> of course) about celebrities: you rarely know how " vegetarian " or

> " vegan " those people are and whether such issues are really

important

> to them...

>

> , veganfitness@ wrote:

> >

> > Hi Everyone,

> > ?? I was reading some celebrity gossip and fell upon Christie

> Brinkley's website. (christiebrinkley.com). Upon reading her site, I

> see that she is not only beautiful and an artist, but is also

involved

> in environmental issues and cares about global warming. I was?

reading

> that she is involved in raising funds for " global warming " and is

> selling bracelets for $5.00 a piece. Unfortunately, all of the

> bracelets she sells is made of real leather.

> > ?? I am hoping that besides myself, people will write in to her

> company or her sponsors and make notice that it is not logical to

kill

> cows for their skins and sell real leather bracelets for " global

> warming " when we all KNOW that killing cows for their skins is

adding

> to the ruining of the world and adding to global warming, etc.

> > ?? I have already written to PETA re: this matter because they

have

> a lot of " pull " with celebrities. I am hoping that a lot of the

people

> out there will also write to voice their concerns.

> > ?? Putting that aside, I still think she means well and IS

talented;

> however, killing cows for their skins is hypocritical to saving our

> environmental. Please let her know that she can make her bracelets

out

> of other products besides cow or other animal skins.

> > ? Thanks in advance, Gigi?? veganfitness@

> > ??

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