Guest guest Posted September 13, 2007 Report Share Posted September 13, 2007 i've heard of this ad, and heard it on the radio where they were discussing it... but haven't seen it somehow i doubt it'll play in the bay area... LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN OF FREEDOM’S WATCH Tuesday, September 11, 2007 Posted by Jim Hightower Listen to this Commentary A TV ad that makes an emotional appeal for viewers to back Bush’s war in Iraq is running in some 20 states. A veteran who lost both legs in that war is featured, and he closes with this powerful plea: “It’s no time for politics.†Strong stuff! But the ad loses all of its punch when you learn that this is not a message from a veteran’s group, but a blatant political pitch orchestrated and funded by a new front group run by old Bush political hacks. Masquerading as a grassroots outfit under the name “Freedom’s Watch,†this bunch of White House insiders is headed by Ari Fleischer, George W’s former PR flack, who was salesman-in-chief for pushing America into this disastrous war of occupation. Millions of dollars have been put into this promotional blitz by about a dozen Bush fundraisers, including shopping mall magnate Mel Sembler, macaroni manufacturer Anthony Gioia, Grocery baron Howard Leach, and Sands casino chief Sheldon Adelson. The group is targeting Republican members of congress whose support for Bush’s war is wavering. Using Karl Rovian, thuggish tactics, the group questions the patriotism of all who stand up to Bush. Such dissenters are accused of wanting “to cut and run.†While the wounded vet in their ad says “It’s no time for politics,†Freedom’s Watch is nothing but politics. In its ads, viewers are urged to “Call your Congressman,†and a toll-free number is provided. Only – the number doesn’t connect you to congress. Instead, a Freedom’s Watch operator answers and immediately asks if you support Bush’s rationales for his war. If you say no, the operator politely refers you to the group’s website… and hangs up on you! Only people who agree with Bush are connected to congress. Freedom’s Watch is not about freedom at all – it’s about Bush propaganda and political manipulation. Is that what our soldiers are fighting for in Iraq? “Freedom’s Watch,†www.sourcewatch.org “Ari Fleischer’s misleading message,†www.salon.com, August 24, 2007 “In latest twist, former Bush spokesman blames Carter for Iran,†www.rawstory.com, August 23, 2007 “Pro-War group launches $15 million ad blitz,†www.politico.com, August 22, 2007 “Welcome to Freedom’s Watch,†www.freedomswatch.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Fraggle, thanks for sending this! I'd been meaning to look into who was supporting Freedom's Watch. I hear those ads on the radio all the time (Chicago news/talk channel) and hate them. The announcer sounds like he's going to cry and the world will come to an end if we pull out of Iraq. Tracyfraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: i've heard of this ad, and heard it on the radio where they were discussing it...but haven't seen itsomehow i doubt it'll play in the bay area...LOOK BEHIND THE CURTAIN OF FREEDOM’S WATCHTuesday, September 11, 2007Posted by Jim HightowerListen to this CommentaryA TV ad that makes an emotional appeal for viewers to back Bush’s war in Iraq is running in some 20 states. A veteran who lost both legs in that war is featured, and he closes with this powerful plea: “It’s no time for politics.†Strong stuff! But the ad loses all of its punch when you learn that this is not a message from a veteran’s group, but a blatant political pitch orchestrated and funded by a new front group run by old Bush political hacks. Masquerading as a grassroots outfit under the name “Freedom’s Watch,†this bunch of White House insiders is headed by Ari Fleischer, George W’s former PR flack, who was salesman-in-chief for pushing America into this disastrous war of occupation. Millions of dollars have been put into this promotional blitz by about a dozen Bush fundraisers, including shopping mall magnate Mel Sembler, macaroni manufacturer Anthony Gioia, Grocery baron Howard Leach, and Sands casino chief Sheldon Adelson.The group is targeting Republican members of congress whose support for Bush’s war is wavering. Using Karl Rovian, thuggish tactics, the group questions the patriotism of all who stand up to Bush. Such dissenters are accused of wanting “to cut and run.†While the wounded vet in their ad says “It’s no time for politics,†Freedom’s Watch is nothing but politics. In its ads, viewers are urged to “Call your Congressman,†and a toll-free number is provided. Only – the number doesn’t connect you to congress. Instead, a Freedom’s Watch operator answers and immediately asks if you support Bush’s rationales for his war. If you say no, the operator politely refers you to the group’s website… and hangs up on you! Only people who agree with Bush are connected to congress.Freedom’s Watch is not about freedom at all – it’s about Bush propaganda and political manipulation. Is that what our soldiers are fighting for in Iraq?“Freedom’s Watch,†www.sourcewatch.org “Ari Fleischer’s misleading message,†www.salon.com, August 24, 2007“In latest twist, former Bush spokesman blames Carter for Iran,†www.rawstory.com, August 23, 2007“Pro-War group launches $15 million ad blitz,†www.politico.com, August 22, 2007“Welcome to Freedom’s Watch,†www.freedomswatch.org/ Shape in your own image. Join our Network Research Panel today! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 here's more sorry, its a long one and i still can't beleive the audacity of Bush to raise the specter of Vietnam...that we shouldn't have left... tho..i guess, he has a point, i mean, not once while he was in the Guard in texas (well..awol from it..) did the vietcong attack dallas.....shows he's a hero... *shakes head and sobs quietly* read something about the repugs and the presidential election, and some woman interviewed was talking how she doesn't support Gulianni, and wants Thompson because he supports torture... where do they get these people???? and peter vv wonders why i think the way i do we're all freakin doomed President Bush's scheduled prime time address tonight culminates a carefully orchestrated public relations campaign to win support for the continuation of the war in Iraq. The campaign began in August when a group called Freedom's Watch headed by President Bush's former spokesperson Ari Fleischer began airing pro-war television commercials. We speak with John Stauber of of the Center for Media & Democracy and PR Watch. [includes rush transcript] President Bush's prime time address before the nation tonight culminates a carefully orchestrated public relations campaign to win support for the continuation of the war in Iraq. The campaign began in August when a group called Freedom's Watch headed by President Bush's former spokesperson Ari Fleischer began airing pro-war television commercials. Then, President Bush flew to Iraq for an unannounced visit where he met with Iraqi leaders at a U.S. military base in Anbar province. On the eve of Sept. 11th, General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker testified before Congress. Then they appeared exclusively on Fox News in what the network described as a "briefing for America." To talk more about the Bush administration's public relations campaign, John Stauber, founder of the Center for Media & Democracy and PR Watch, joins us in Madison Wisconsin. John Stauber, founder of the Center for Media & Democracy and PR Watch. He is author of several books, including "The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq." RUSH TRANSCRIPT This transcript is available free of charge. However, donations help us provide closed captioning for the deaf and hard of hearing on our TV broadcast. Thank you for your generous contribution. Donate - $25, $50, $100, more... JUAN GONZALEZ: President Bush's prime time address before the nation tonight culminates a carefully orchestrated public relations campaign to win support for the continuation of the war in Iraq. The campaign began in August, when a group called Freedom's Watch, headed by President Bush's former spokesperson Ari Fleischer, began airing pro-war television commercials. Then, President Bush flew to Iraq for an unannounced visit where he met with Iraqi leaders at a US military base in Anbar province. On the eve of September 11th, General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker testified before Congress. Then they appeared exclusively on Fox News in what the network dubbed as a "briefing for America." AMY GOODMAN: To talk more about the Bush administration's public relations campaign, John Stauber joins us now in Madison, Wisconsin, founder of the Center for Media and Democracy and PR Watch. He’s author of several books, including The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq. Welcome to Democracy Now!, John. Talk about the President’s pro-war PR campaign. JOHN STAUBER: Well, it was, of course, five years ago that President Bush launched his real pre-war pro-war PR campaign on the anniversary of 9/11. And what we’ve seen over the last two months is another brilliant campaign using deception and nonexistent links between Iraq and 9/11, and now, something new, raising the specter of American defeat in Vietnam and the carnage that he says resulted from leaving Vietnam, to really hold his Republican supporters in the Congress behind his policy, a policy that’s been quite transparent from day one: the President intends to keep US troops in Iraq for as long as he's in office. What we’ve seen over the last month is the emergence of a new White House front group called Freedom's Watch, headed up, as you mentioned, by Ari Fleischer, the former White House PR flak, who was on duty in the White House in the selling of the war in 2002, 2003. He jumped ship when things were starting to go badly in June of ’03, but he’s back with a vengeance lending his name to this Freedom’s Watch. They’re sort of the latest of a number of Republican front groups, along with Vets for Freedom, Move America Forward. These are organizations that are holding pro-war rallies. They’re running TV advertisements. Freedom's Watch alone is going to spend $10 million to $20 million over a month's time running pro-war ads that use wounded Iraq veterans and equate winning the war in Iraq with the terror attacks of 9/11. And this is, in effect -- AMY GOODMAN: Let’s go to a clip. John, we’re going to go to a clip of one of those ads right now. FREEDOM’S WATCH AD: Congress was right to vote to fight terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. I reenlisted after 9/11, because I don’t want my sons to see what I saw. I want them to be free and safe. I know what I lost. I also know that if we pull out now, everything I’ve given in sacrifice will mean nothing. They attacked us, and they will again. They won't stop in Iraq. We are winning on the ground and making real progress. It's no time to quit. It's no time for politics. AMY GOODMAN: An excerpt of the ad that Ari Fleischer, the former Bush White House spokesperson, is working with. Juan? JUAN GONZALEZ: John, this ad, once again, the repeated attempt to link the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon to Iraq, and this generic “they†attacked us; could you comment on that? JOHN STAUBER: Well, Juan, of course, anyone who is watching the broadcast saw the video and saw the image of jets hitting the Twin Towers, but they also saw the speaker's lack of lower legs. This is a severely wounded Iraq vet. And this ploy of linking Saddam Hussein and Iraq to 9/11 has worked as one of the three really big lies that originally sold this war. Of course, there is absolutely no truth to that and no truth to the other two big lies, that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction or that Saddam was in league with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. And yet, as recently as this Monday, the New York Times/CBS poll showed that one of three Americans believe today that Saddam was personally behind the 9/11 attacks. 27% of Democrats, 40% of Republicans believe Saddam did 9/11. And just over a year ago, a Harris survey showed that half of all Americans believe that the weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Huge falsehoods. And yet, this is what Americans are believing. And this, I think, is really the card that the President and the pro-war lobby plays so well: we have to stay in Iraq because these are the guys who did 9/11. JUAN GONZALEZ: And how is it possible, in your estimation, given the enormous amount of news media that exists in this country, that these myths continue to prevail in people's minds, in so many people's minds? JOHN STAUBER: Well, we’ve got to blame the mainstream news media. Of course, at the Center for Media and Democracy and on your program and in your reporting, we knew before the March 20, 2003 attack on Iraq that there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11 or Saddam and al-Qaeda and almost certainly there were no weapons of mass destruction. And yet, this information was censored out of the mainstream media. The mainstream media really delivered the big lie by censoring out the opponents and critics of the war and repeating over and over these falsehoods. And then what happened was this. Most Americans get most of their news from television. And in April of 2003 and early May of 2003, Americans literally saw the weapons of mass destruction being discovered, because these embedded reporters, whether we’re talking Judith Miller at the New York Times, other major print media, the three networks, PBS, all wanted to be the first to break the story that the troops they were with discovered the weapons of mass destruction. So, as we point out in The Best War Ever, Americans actually saw the weapons discovered. They read about the discovery of the weapons. Of course, every one of those stories was 100% wrong, but Americans were promised by the President, the Vice President, that they were there, the media delivered them, and the media has never corrected or fixed this big lie that’s fixed in the minds of Americans. AMY GOODMAN: John, can you talk about the Petraeus hearings? JOHN STAUBER: The Petraeus hearings really are a dog and pony show. Unfortunately, it’s pretty easy to predict what’s going to happen. Not much has changed in Congress or in the White House. It's really been a game of chicken, with the Democrats gambling that by lighting a fire under select Republicans they could break enough of them free that they would vote with Harry Reid and Pelosi on beginning some sort of withdrawal from Iraq. But that clearly hasn't happened. And General Petraeus has been the perfect person for the Bush administration, because that same New York Times/CBS survey showed that overwhelmingly six of ten Americans look to Petraeus and other commanders to take charge of Iraq, and those are the people who they think are best equipped to end the war. Now, who is General Petraeus? He’s an employee of the White House. The White House is really hiding behind not just Petraeus and the commanders, but these front groups they’ve created, like Vets for Freedom and like Freedom's Watch, that push forth pro-war neoconservative Iraq vets. AMY GOODMAN: As we talk about the Petraeus hearings, I wanted to clay a clip from Comedy Central’s Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Harper’s magazine’s Ken Silverstein credited Stewart with providing far away the best analysis of what Petraeus said. JON STEWART: The general raises a key point. We keep hearing from President Bush how the surge is meeting its military objectives, but we need more time. Well, yesterday, the good general was whistling a different tune. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: The military objectives of the surge are, in large measure, being met. It will take time. JON STEWART: My god! The President’s been right the whole time! Even down to the details. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: US Marines and Special Operation forces have been striking terrible blows against al-Qaeda. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: Coalition and Iraqi forces have dealt significant blows to al-Qaeda. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Anbar province was al-Qaeda's base in Iraq and was written off by many as lost. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: A year ago the province was assessed as lost. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: The consequences of withdrawal would be disastrous. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: A premature drawdown of our forces would likely have devastating consequences. JON STEWART: Wow! I bet they’re friends on MySpace. AMY GOODMAN: That’s right. Jon Stewart, Daily Show. Petraeus, Bush, Petraeus, Bush. Last comment, John Stauber, even the language. JOHN STAUBER: Yeah. I mean, this, again, is quite transparent, and the White House understands that by putting its message in the mouth of Petraeus, that's going to best resonate with the American public. That’s its lobby campaign, and unfortunately it appears to be working within Congress. AMY GOODMAN: Well, John Stauber, I want to thank you very much for being with us. John Stauber, who heads up prwatch.org and the Center for Media and Democracy. "Tracy H." Sep 14, 2007 1:38 PM Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Fraggle, thanks for sending this! I'd been meaning to look into who was supporting Freedom's Watch. I hear those ads on the radio all the time (Chicago news/talk channel) and hate them. The announcer sounds like he's going to cry and the world will come to an end if we pull out of Iraq. Tracy Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group New business? Get new customers. List your web site in Search. 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Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 8:50:56 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... here's more sorry, its a long one and i still can't beleive the audacity of Bush to raise the specter of Vietnam...that we shouldn't have left... tho..i guess, he has a point, i mean, not once while he was in the Guard in texas (well..awol from it..) did the vietcong attack dallas.....shows he's a hero... *shakes head and sobs quietly* read something about the repugs and the presidential election, and some woman interviewed was talking how she doesn't support Gulianni, and wants Thompson because he supports torture... where do they get these people???? and peter vv wonders why i think the way i do we're all freakin doomed President Bush's scheduled prime time address tonight culminates a carefully orchestrated public relations campaign to win support for the continuation of the war in Iraq. The campaign began in August when a group called Freedom's Watch headed by President Bush's former spokesperson Ari Fleischer began airing pro-war television commercials. We speak with John Stauber of of the Center for Media & Democracy and PR Watch. [includes rush transcript] President Bush's prime time address before the nation tonight culminates a carefully orchestrated public relations campaign to win support for the continuation of the war in Iraq. The campaign began in August when a group called Freedom's Watch headed by President Bush's former spokesperson Ari Fleischer began airing pro-war television commercials. Then, President Bush flew to Iraq for an unannounced visit where he met with Iraqi leaders at a U.S. military base in Anbar province. On the eve of Sept. 11th, General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker testified before Congress. Then they appeared exclusively on Fox News in what the network described as a "briefing for America." To talk more about the Bush administration' s public relations campaign, John Stauber, founder of the Center for Media & Democracy and PR Watch, joins us in Madison Wisconsin. John Stauber, founder of the Center for Media & Democracy and PR Watch. He is author of several books, including "The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq." RUSH TRANSCRIPT This transcript is available free of charge. However, donations help us provide closed captioning for the deaf and hard of hearing on our TV broadcast. Thank you for your generous contribution. Donate - $25, $50, $100, more... JUAN GONZALEZ: President Bush's prime time address before the nation tonight culminates a carefully orchestrated public relations campaign to win support for the continuation of the war in Iraq. The campaign began in August, when a group called Freedom's Watch, headed by President Bush's former spokesperson Ari Fleischer, began airing pro-war television commercials. Then, President Bush flew to Iraq for an unannounced visit where he met with Iraqi leaders at a US military base in Anbar province. On the eve of September 11th, General David Petraeus and Ambassador Ryan Crocker testified before Congress. Then they appeared exclusively on Fox News in what the network dubbed as a "briefing for America." AMY GOODMAN: To talk more about the Bush administration' s public relations campaign, John Stauber joins us now in Madison, Wisconsin, founder of the Center for Media and Democracy and PR Watch. He’s author of several books, including The Best War Ever: Lies, Damned Lies and the Mess in Iraq. Welcome to Democracy Now!, John. Talk about the President’s pro-war PR campaign. JOHN STAUBER: Well, it was, of course, five years ago that President Bush launched his real pre-war pro-war PR campaign on the anniversary of 9/11. And what we’ve seen over the last two months is another brilliant campaign using deception and nonexistent links between Iraq and 9/11, and now, something new, raising the specter of American defeat in Vietnam and the carnage that he says resulted from leaving Vietnam, to really hold his Republican supporters in the Congress behind his policy, a policy that’s been quite transparent from day one: the President intends to keep US troops in Iraq for as long as he's in office. What we’ve seen over the last month is the emergence of a new White House front group called Freedom's Watch, headed up, as you mentioned, by Ari Fleischer, the former White House PR flak, who was on duty in the White House in the selling of the war in 2002, 2003. He jumped ship when things were starting to go badly in June of ’03, but he’s back with a vengeance lending his name to this Freedom’s Watch. They’re sort of the latest of a number of Republican front groups, along with Vets for Freedom, Move America Forward. These are organizations that are holding pro-war rallies. They’re running TV advertisements. Freedom's Watch alone is going to spend $10 million to $20 million over a month's time running pro-war ads that use wounded Iraq veterans and equate winning the war in Iraq with the terror attacks of 9/11. And this is, in effect -- AMY GOODMAN: Let’s go to a clip. John, we’re going to go to a clip of one of those ads right now. FREEDOM’S WATCH AD: Congress was right to vote to fight terrorism in Iraq and Afghanistan. I reenlisted after 9/11, because I don’t want my sons to see what I saw. I want them to be free and safe. I know what I lost. I also know that if we pull out now, everything I’ve given in sacrifice will mean nothing. They attacked us, and they will again. They won't stop in Iraq. We are winning on the ground and making real progress. It's no time to quit. It's no time for politics. AMY GOODMAN: An excerpt of the ad that Ari Fleischer, the former Bush White House spokesperson, is working with. Juan? JUAN GONZALEZ: John, this ad, once again, the repeated attempt to link the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon to Iraq, and this generic “they” attacked us; could you comment on that? JOHN STAUBER: Well, Juan, of course, anyone who is watching the broadcast saw the video and saw the image of jets hitting the Twin Towers, but they also saw the speaker's lack of lower legs. This is a severely wounded Iraq vet. And this ploy of linking Saddam Hussein and Iraq to 9/11 has worked as one of the three really big lies that originally sold this war. Of course, there is absolutely no truth to that and no truth to the other two big lies, that Saddam had weapons of mass destruction or that Saddam was in league with Osama bin Laden and al-Qaeda. And yet, as recently as this Monday, the New York Times/CBS poll showed that one of three Americans believe today that Saddam was personally behind the 9/11 attacks. 27% of Democrats, 40% of Republicans believe Saddam did 9/11. And just over a year ago, a Harris survey showed that half of all Americans believe that the weapons of mass destruction were found in Iraq. Huge falsehoods. And yet, this is what Americans are believing. And this, I think, is really the card that the President and the pro-war lobby plays so well: we have to stay in Iraq because these are the guys who did 9/11. JUAN GONZALEZ: And how is it possible, in your estimation, given the enormous amount of news media that exists in this country, that these myths continue to prevail in people's minds, in so many people's minds? JOHN STAUBER: Well, we’ve got to blame the mainstream news media. Of course, at the Center for Media and Democracy and on your program and in your reporting, we knew before the March 20, 2003 attack on Iraq that there was no connection between Saddam and 9/11 or Saddam and al-Qaeda and almost certainly there were no weapons of mass destruction. And yet, this information was censored out of the mainstream media. The mainstream media really delivered the big lie by censoring out the opponents and critics of the war and repeating over and over these falsehoods. And then what happened was this. Most Americans get most of their news from television. And in April of 2003 and early May of 2003, Americans literally saw the weapons of mass destruction being discovered, because these embedded reporters, whether we’re talking Judith Miller at the New York Times, other major print media, the three networks, PBS, all wanted to be the first to break the story that the troops they were with discovered the weapons of mass destruction. So, as we point out in The Best War Ever, Americans actually saw the weapons discovered. They read about the discovery of the weapons. Of course, every one of those stories was 100% wrong, but Americans were promised by the President, the Vice President, that they were there, the media delivered them, and the media has never corrected or fixed this big lie that’s fixed in the minds of Americans. AMY GOODMAN: John, can you talk about the Petraeus hearings? JOHN STAUBER: The Petraeus hearings really are a dog and pony show. Unfortunately, it’s pretty easy to predict what’s going to happen. Not much has changed in Congress or in the White House. It's really been a game of chicken, with the Democrats gambling that by lighting a fire under select Republicans they could break enough of them free that they would vote with Harry Reid and Pelosi on beginning some sort of withdrawal from Iraq. But that clearly hasn't happened. And General Petraeus has been the perfect person for the Bush administration, because that same New York Times/CBS survey showed that overwhelmingly six of ten Americans look to Petraeus and other commanders to take charge of Iraq, and those are the people who they think are best equipped to end the war. Now, who is General Petraeus? He’s an employee of the White House. The White House is really hiding behind not just Petraeus and the commanders, but these front groups they’ve created, like Vets for Freedom and like Freedom's Watch, that push forth pro-war neoconservative Iraq vets. AMY GOODMAN: As we talk about the Petraeus hearings, I wanted to clay a clip from Comedy Central’s Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Harper’s magazine’s Ken Silverstein credited Stewart with providing far away the best analysis of what Petraeus said. JON STEWART: The general raises a key point. We keep hearing from President Bush how the surge is meeting its military objectives, but we need more time. Well, yesterday, the good general was whistling a different tune. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: The military objectives of the surge are, in large measure, being met. It will take time. JON STEWART: My god! The President’s been right the whole time! Even down to the details. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: US Marines and Special Operation forces have been striking terrible blows against al-Qaeda. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: Coalition and Iraqi forces have dealt significant blows to al-Qaeda. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: Anbar province was al-Qaeda's base in Iraq and was written off by many as lost. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: A year ago the province was assessed as lost. PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: The consequences of withdrawal would be disastrous. GEN. DAVID PETRAEUS: A premature drawdown of our forces would likely have devastating consequences. JON STEWART: Wow! I bet they’re friends on MySpace. AMY GOODMAN: That’s right. Jon Stewart, Daily Show. Petraeus, Bush, Petraeus, Bush. Last comment, John Stauber, even the language. JOHN STAUBER: Yeah. I mean, this, again, is quite transparent, and the White House understands that by putting its message in the mouth of Petraeus, that's going to best resonate with the American public. That’s its lobby campaign, and unfortunately it appears to be working within Congress. AMY GOODMAN: Well, John Stauber, I want to thank you very much for being with us. John Stauber, who heads up prwatch.org and the Center for Media and Democracy. "Tracy H." Sep 14, 2007 1:38 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Fraggle, thanks for sending this! I'd been meaning to look into who was supporting Freedom's Watch. I hear those ads on the radio all the time (Chicago news/talk channel) and hate them. The announcer sounds like he's going to cry and the world will come to an end if we pull out of Iraq. Tracy Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group New business? Get new customers. 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Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea Outside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no reactions Your dilemmas are my distractions I never looked around, never second-guessed Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed And now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam Chomsky I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses Answers - Get better answers from someone who knows. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs.............. sorry! The Valley Vegan............ Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 Because, you are still alive, have a job, have loads of people who care about you, have a partner, have a roof over your head, have cash in your pocket, you have all your limbs and senses, ......and above all else your a vegan. Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 9:23:18 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs........ ...... sorry! The Valley Vegan....... ..... Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 you really don't want me to respond to those...trust me.......... the worlds a mess, and i take all of it to heart... maybe i just like high blood pressure Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:30 PM Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Because, you are still alive, have a job, have loads of people who care about you, have a partner, have a roof over your head, have cash in your pocket, you have all your limbs and senses, ......and above all else your a vegan. Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 9:23:18 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs........ ...... sorry! The Valley Vegan....... ..... Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 All I am saying is theres a lot of people a lot worse off than you. Sure you have problems, we all do, but there are millions of people with far bigger problems in this world. And yes the world is run by a bunch of monkeys, al we can do is use our vote, and vote with our lifestyles. Now snap out of it, Dont make me put on a few stone, work out for 6 months, and teach you a lesson! Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 10:16:10 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you really don't want me to respond to those...trust me.......... the worlds a mess, and i take all of it to heart... maybe i just like high blood pressure Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:30 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Because, you are still alive, have a job, have loads of people who care about you, have a partner, have a roof over your head, have cash in your pocket, you have all your limbs and senses, ......and above all else your a vegan. Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 9:23:18 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs........ ...... sorry! The Valley Vegan....... ..... Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 you diddle butt.. i know there's tons with worse problems then me... thats MY POINT i could give two rats butts about my problems... yer always going off on me having no faith in humanity...and, well..look around my friend... i have no reason to really.... as we spiral down and down.,... so..yer going to wear rocks and give me homework? silly welshies and their weight thingee....stone...two bob for a quid....tally ho.... Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 5:21 PM Re: kicking that iraqi horse... All I am saying is theres a lot of people a lot worse off than you. Sure you have problems, we all do, but there are millions of people with far bigger problems in this world. And yes the world is run by a bunch of monkeys, al we can do is use our vote, and vote with our lifestyles. Now snap out of it, Dont make me put on a few stone, work out for 6 months, and teach you a lesson! Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 10:16:10 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you really don't want me to respond to those...trust me.......... the worlds a mess, and i take all of it to heart... maybe i just like high blood pressure Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:30 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Because, you are still alive, have a job, have loads of people who care about you, have a partner, have a roof over your head, have cash in your pocket, you have all your limbs and senses, ......and above all else your a vegan. Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 9:23:18 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs........ ...... sorry! The Valley Vegan....... ..... Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 14, 2007 Report Share Posted September 14, 2007 At 3:50 PM -0400 9/14/07, fraggle wrote: AMY GOODMAN: As we talk about the Petraeus hearings, I wanted to clay a clip from Comedy Central's Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Harper's magazine's Ken Silverstein credited Stewart with providing far away the best analysis of what Petraeus said. >> Yeah, these days I find the only news I trust is the news I catch on the Daily Show (when I happen to be at a neighbor's house when it's on). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 15, 2007 Report Share Posted September 15, 2007 LOL You twonk, Look at it this way, either we evolve or devolve, what the hell difference you make to mankind aint worth diddly squat, so pass me a beer, and we will put the world to rights, o.k.? The Valley Vegan................. p.s. metric system? what metric system........... Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 10:49:55 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you diddle butt.. i know there's tons with worse problems then me... thats MY POINT i could give two rats butts about my problems... yer always going off on me having no faith in humanity...and, well..look around my friend... i have no reason to really.... as we spiral down and down.,... so..yer going to wear rocks and give me homework? silly welshies and their weight thingee....stone. ..two bob for a quid....tally ho.... Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 5:21 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... All I am saying is theres a lot of people a lot worse off than you. Sure you have problems, we all do, but there are millions of people with far bigger problems in this world. And yes the world is run by a bunch of monkeys, al we can do is use our vote, and vote with our lifestyles. Now snap out of it, Dont make me put on a few stone, work out for 6 months, and teach you a lesson! Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 10:16:10 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you really don't want me to respond to those...trust me.......... the worlds a mess, and i take all of it to heart... maybe i just like high blood pressure Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:30 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Because, you are still alive, have a job, have loads of people who care about you, have a partner, have a roof over your head, have cash in your pocket, you have all your limbs and senses, ......and above all else your a vegan. Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 9:23:18 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs........ ...... sorry! The Valley Vegan....... ..... Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2007 Report Share Posted September 17, 2007 twonk? well...i was the robot twonky in a game of robo rally the other week (fine board game, if you can find it...) Peter VV Sep 15, 2007 6:10 AM Re: kicking that iraqi horse... LOL You twonk, Look at it this way, either we evolve or devolve, what the hell difference you make to mankind aint worth diddly squat, so pass me a beer, and we will put the world to rights, o.k.? The Valley Vegan................. p.s. metric system? what metric system........... Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 10:49:55 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you diddle butt.. i know there's tons with worse problems then me... thats MY POINT i could give two rats butts about my problems... yer always going off on me having no faith in humanity...and, well..look around my friend... i have no reason to really.... as we spiral down and down.,... so..yer going to wear rocks and give me homework? silly welshies and their weight thingee....stone. ..two bob for a quid....tally ho.... Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 5:21 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... All I am saying is theres a lot of people a lot worse off than you. Sure you have problems, we all do, but there are millions of people with far bigger problems in this world. And yes the world is run by a bunch of monkeys, al we can do is use our vote, and vote with our lifestyles. Now snap out of it, Dont make me put on a few stone, work out for 6 months, and teach you a lesson! Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 10:16:10 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you really don't want me to respond to those...trust me.......... the worlds a mess, and i take all of it to heart... maybe i just like high blood pressure Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:30 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Because, you are still alive, have a job, have loads of people who care about you, have a partner, have a roof over your head, have cash in your pocket, you have all your limbs and senses, ......and above all else your a vegan. Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 9:23:18 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs........ ...... sorry! The Valley Vegan....... ..... Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2007 Report Share Posted September 18, 2007 bored games more like! any beer involved? The Valley Vegan............ Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx Sent: Monday, 17 September, 2007 5:01:20 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... twonk? well...i was the robot twonky in a game of robo rally the other week (fine board game, if you can find it...) Peter VV Sep 15, 2007 6:10 AM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... LOL You twonk, Look at it this way, either we evolve or devolve, what the hell difference you make to mankind aint worth diddly squat, so pass me a beer, and we will put the world to rights, o.k.? The Valley Vegan....... ......... . p.s. metric system? what metric system...... ..... Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 10:49:55 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you diddle butt.. i know there's tons with worse problems then me... thats MY POINT i could give two rats butts about my problems... yer always going off on me having no faith in humanity...and, well..look around my friend... i have no reason to really.... as we spiral down and down.,... so..yer going to wear rocks and give me homework? silly welshies and their weight thingee....stone. ..two bob for a quid....tally ho.... Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 5:21 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... All I am saying is theres a lot of people a lot worse off than you. Sure you have problems, we all do, but there are millions of people with far bigger problems in this world. And yes the world is run by a bunch of monkeys, al we can do is use our vote, and vote with our lifestyles. Now snap out of it, Dont make me put on a few stone, work out for 6 months, and teach you a lesson! Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 10:16:10 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... you really don't want me to respond to those...trust me.......... the worlds a mess, and i take all of it to heart... maybe i just like high blood pressure Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:30 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Because, you are still alive, have a job, have loads of people who care about you, have a partner, have a roof over your head, have cash in your pocket, you have all your limbs and senses, ......and above all else your a vegan. Peter H fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net>@gro ups.comFriday, 14 September, 2007 9:23:18 PMRe: kicking that iraqi horse... should i wait while you give me a reason not to be? Peter VV Sep 14, 2007 1:17 PM @gro ups.com Re: kicking that iraqi horse... Stop being such a doom merchant, mr mangled legs........ ...... sorry! The Valley Vegan....... ..... Peter H I don't want Recent Activity 2 New Members 1 New Photos 1 New DatabaseVisit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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