evil spawn surfaces again

[Guest guest]

So far I've seen a couple people *recommend* one of the books coming

out of a certain nefarious antivegan organization as " the best book

on food. "

 

Now, based on reviews and interviews with its author that I've read,

I think following its recommendations would be harmful -- eating

lard, for instance, or making secret forays to acquire raw milk, and

I'm sure that's not the worst of it.

 

But do I just sit on my hands and say nothing, since I have not, in

fact, read the book, or do I say, no, nooooooo, it's harmful and

false and if you're interested in real health, you should all be

vegans. (Upon which they'd ignore me, because vegans are just one of

those obscure sects, and, ya know, so extreme.)

 

Seriously, what I'd like to do is recommend a book that is " the best

book on food " and does not merely have a title suggesting it is. Has

anyone read something that they consider to be the best book on food?

Or is everything these days tainted with excusitarianism?

 

[Preemptive note...trying to walk a fine line, avoiding outright

libel and trying not to be too sarcastic. As if.]

[Guest guest]

So I googled a bit and figured out that one book to counter all

this pseudo- " real food " and " nourishing traditions "

bunk might be The Way We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter by Peter

Singer and Jim Mason.

 

Has anyone read it?

[Guest guest]

If you want one that is not vegan then I would suggest reading Patrick

Holford's The Optimum Nutrition Bible.

 

Jo

 

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<yarrow

 

Friday, September 14, 2007 5:18 AM

evil spawn surfaces again

 

 

> So far I've seen a couple people *recommend* one of the books coming

> out of a certain nefarious antivegan organization as " the best book

> on food. "

>

> Now, based on reviews and interviews with its author that I've read,

> I think following its recommendations would be harmful -- eating

> lard, for instance, or making secret forays to acquire raw milk, and

> I'm sure that's not the worst of it.

>

> But do I just sit on my hands and say nothing, since I have not, in

> fact, read the book, or do I say, no, nooooooo, it's harmful and

> false and if you're interested in real health, you should all be

> vegans. (Upon which they'd ignore me, because vegans are just one of

> those obscure sects, and, ya know, so extreme.)

>

> Seriously, what I'd like to do is recommend a book that is " the best

> book on food " and does not merely have a title suggesting it is. Has

> anyone read something that they consider to be the best book on food?

> Or is everything these days tainted with excusitarianism?

>

> [Preemptive note...trying to walk a fine line, avoiding outright

> libel and trying not to be too sarcastic. As if.]

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

[Guest guest]

sadly, i have it, but haven't gotten around to read it yet

its at the bottom of some pile somewhere in my haus....

yarrow Sep 13, 2007 9:52 PM re: evil spawn surfaces again

 

 

 

 

So I googled a bit and figured out that one book to counter all this pseudo-"real food" and "nourishing traditions" bunk might be The Way We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter by Peter Singer and Jim Mason.

 

Has anyone read it?

 

 

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote: sadly, i have it, but haven't gotten around to read it yet its at the bottom of some pile somewhere in my haus.... yarrow Sep 13, 2007 9:52 PM re: evil spawn surfaces again So I googled a bit and figured out that one book to counter all this pseudo-"real food" and "nourishing traditions" bunk might be The Way We Eat: Why Our Food Choices Matter by Peter Singer and Jim Mason. Has anyone read it? I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small Never thought about the problems of this planet at all Global warming, radio-active sites Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No! Why think of all the bad things when life is so good? Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'? Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea Outside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no

reactions Your dilemmas are my distractions I never looked around, never second-guessed Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed And now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam Chomsky I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

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[Guest guest]

I hate when I want to go back to my mail, but I hit "send" instead. Sorry about that. Yarrow, what are the book and organization you referred to? (If you're worried about libel, you can e-mail me personally.) Thanks, Tracyyarrow wrote: So far I've seen a couple people *recommend* one of the books coming out of a certain nefarious antivegan organization as "the best book on food."Now, based on reviews and interviews with its author that I've read,

I think following its recommendations would be harmful -- eating lard, for instance, or making secret forays to acquire raw milk, and I'm sure that's not the worst of it.But do I just sit on my hands and say nothing, since I have not, in fact, read the book, or do I say, no, nooooooo, it's harmful and false and if you're interested in real health, you should all be vegans. (Upon which they'd ignore me, because vegans are just one of those obscure sects, and, ya know, so extreme.)Seriously, what I'd like to do is recommend a book that is "the best book on food" and does not merely have a title suggesting it is. Has anyone read something that they consider to be the best book on food? Or is everything these days tainted with excusitarianism?[Preemptive note...trying to walk a fine line, avoiding outright libel and trying not to be too sarcastic. As if.]

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I know that I have mentioned it a lot lately ( just to try and get Ron to get some facts into his messages ) but the pretty authoratitive Stephen Walsh - Plant Based Nutrition and Health:

Acclaimed by The Sunday Times as an “accomplished data-buster” in debunking spurious nutritional claims by vested interests, the author's background in scientific analysis enables him to analyse data, construct models and optimise choices to get the best possible results. In writing this book he has analysed the results of thousands of studies to produce straightforward recommendations for optimal health at all stages of life. "I am not interested in research for the sake of fine debating points," he says, "but to help people improve their lives." Throughout the book, the emphasis is on support for individual choice rather than any uniform prescription. For those who want a balanced, healthy and enjoyable diet, there are simple guidelines indicating the best approach. For those who want all the details, there are full explanations and a wealth of scientific references. No expensive supplements or exotic foodstuffs are required and everything recommended can be easily and cheaply obtained.

 

The Valley Vegan................

 

Peter H

 

 

"yarrow" <yarrow Sent: Friday, 14 September, 2007 5:18:48 AM evil spawn surfaces again

 

So far I've seen a couple people *recommend* one of the books coming out of a certain nefarious antivegan organization as "the best book on food."Now, based on reviews and interviews with its author that I've read, I think following its recommendations would be harmful -- eating lard, for instance, or making secret forays to acquire raw milk, and I'm sure that's not the worst of it.But do I just sit on my hands and say nothing, since I have not, in fact, read the book, or do I say, no, nooooooo, it's harmful and false and if you're interested in real health, you should all be vegans. (Upon which they'd ignore me, because vegans are just one of those obscure sects, and, ya know, so extreme.)Seriously, what I'd like to do is recommend a book that is "the best book on food" and does not merely have a title suggesting it is. Has anyone read something that they consider to be the best book

on food? Or is everything these days tainted with excusitarianism?[Preemptive note...trying to walk a fine line, avoiding outright libel and trying not to be too sarcastic. As if.]

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book: Real Food

 

organization: weston a price fdn.

 

On the bright side, the book and orgzn. advocate for whole foods

rather than corporate food products with a zillion ingredients. On

the dark side, they are rabidly antivegan and actively spread

misinformation about soyfoods; and, worst, they put dead things in

the center of the plate at every meal, calling it " traditional " food.

 

They seem to be wildly popular in certain circles where vegans can't

get a foot in the door without being shouted out of the room (so it

would do no good to suggest an obviously vegan book) -- permaculture

is the worst.

 

The author of this one was a former manager of farmers' markets -- a

good thing, right? Except that her focus was bringing in more

livestock and dairy farmers, which IIRC was why she got fired (or one

of the reasons).