and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

[Guest guest]

enemies everywhere!

build yer bunker!

sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket!

 

i think this is from page 142 of the playbook........

 

 

U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear Ties

 

 

By MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPER

Published: September 15, 2007

WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that

the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicit

nuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding the

Syrians in their efforts.

 

Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear

weapons, said that Syria may have a number of " secret suppliers " for a

covert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians were

currently operating inside Syria.

 

His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came

in response to questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria last

week. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targets

the Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed a

blanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting details

about the raid.

 

American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials who

ordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access

has been restricted.

 

Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria were

specialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syria

with missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical

that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program.

 

Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past to

develop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely that

the Syrians could afford such a program or had the technical expertise

to sustain it.

 

The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria is

heightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its

diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. The

Bush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.

Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an

agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for its

decision to dismantle its nuclear program.

 

" We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation, " Mr.

Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department.

" To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to accelerate

the process which we've already engaged in, to achieve

denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. "

 

He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific

explanation from North Korean officials, and added that the issue

" does not change the goal of what we're aiming for. "

 

A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over the

past several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance

flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials were

said to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.

 

North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning

the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited a

North Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling the

Israeli strike " a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonly

violating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing the

regional peace and security. "

 

Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, including

former top Bush administration officials, said that possible

intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid Syria should halt

diplomatic talks with Pyongyang.

 

" It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead with

the six-party process without this being resolved, " said John R.

Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations,

referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. " They are rushing

to finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe for

the president. "

 

 

I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at all

Global warming, radio-active sites

Imperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?

Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the sea

Outside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactions

Your dilemmas are my distractions

I never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressed

And now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam Chomsky

I'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalization

I'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan Youth

I see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horses

[Guest guest]

Ah - so they've finally got round to Syria. There's a surprise...BBPeterOn 17/09/2007, fraggle <

EBbrewpunx wrote:enemies everywhere!build yer bunker!sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket!

i think this is from page 142 of the playbook........U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear TiesBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPERPublished: September 15, 2007WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that

the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicitnuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding theSyrians in their efforts.Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear

weapons, said that Syria may have a number of " secret suppliers " for acovert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians werecurrently operating inside Syria.His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came

in response to questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria lastweek. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targetsthe Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed a

blanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting detailsabout the raid.American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials whoordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access

has been restricted.Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria werespecialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syriawith missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical

that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program.Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past todevelop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely that

the Syrians could afford such a program or had the technical expertiseto sustain it.The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria isheightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its

diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. TheBush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an

agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for itsdecision to dismantle its nuclear program. " We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation, " Mr.Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department.

" To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to acceleratethe process which we've already engaged in, to achievedenuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. " He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific

explanation from North Korean officials, and added that the issue " does not change the goal of what we're aiming for. " A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over thepast several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance

flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials weresaid to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning

the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited aNorth Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling theIsraeli strike " a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonly

violating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing theregional peace and security. " Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, includingformer top Bush administration officials, said that possible

intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid Syria should haltdiplomatic talks with Pyongyang. " It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead withthe six-party process without this being resolved, " said John R.

Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations,referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. " They are rushingto finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe for

the president. " I never thought about the universe, it made me feel smallNever thought about the problems of this planet at allGlobal warming, radio-active sitesImperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No!

Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?Let the whales worry about the poisons in the seaOutside of California, it's foreign policy

I don't want changes, I have no reactionsYour dilemmas are my distractionsI never looked around, never second-guessedThen I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressedAnd now I can't sleep from years of apathy

All because I read a little Noam ChomskyI'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food NationI'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalizationI'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth

I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan YouthI see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forcesI eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horsesTo send an email to -

[Guest guest]

they mentioned em from time to time..but it doesn't seem to stick very well

iran is easier

but...Iran, syria, iraq....all the same to most Americans.....

i have theory about the recent interest in blaming syria, and the spat the US is having with the Iraqi regime...but..we'll see

 

cheers

fraggle

Peter Kebbell Sep 17, 2007 11:44 AM Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

 

 

Ah - so they've finally got round to Syria. There's a surprise...BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle < EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

enemies everywhere!build yer bunker!sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket! i think this is from page 142 of the playbook........U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear TiesBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPERPublished: September 15, 2007WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicitnuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding theSyrians in their efforts.Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear weapons, said that Syria may have a number of "secret suppliers" for acovert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians werecurrently operating inside Syria.His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came in response to questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria lastweek. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targetsthe Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed ablanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting detailsabout the raid.American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials whoordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access has been restricted.Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria werespecialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syriawith missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program.Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past todevelop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely thatthe Syrians could afford such a program or had the technical expertiseto sustain it.The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria isheightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. TheBush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for itsdecision to dismantle its nuclear program."We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation," Mr.Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department. "To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to acceleratethe process which we've already engaged in, to achievedenuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific explanation from North Korean officials, and added that the issue"does not change the goal of what we're aiming for."A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over thepast several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials weresaid to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited aNorth Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling theIsraeli strike "a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonlyviolating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing theregional peace and security."Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, includingformer top Bush administration officials, said that possible intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid Syria should haltdiplomatic talks with Pyongyang."It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead withthe six-party process without this being resolved," said John R. Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations,referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. "They are rushingto finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe forthe president."I never thought about the universe, it made me feel smallNever thought about the problems of this planet at allGlobal warming, radio-active sitesImperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No! Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?Let the whales worry about the poisons in the seaOutside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no reactionsYour dilemmas are my distractionsI never looked around, never second-guessedThen I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressedAnd now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam ChomskyI'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food NationI'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalizationI'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan YouthI see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forcesI eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horsesTo send an email to -

[Guest guest]

They knew they would find a reason (sorry - excuse) eventually!

 

BB

 

Jo

 

-

Peter Kebbell

Monday, September 17, 2007 7:44 PM

Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

Ah - so they've finally got round to Syria. There's a surprise...BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle < EBbrewpunx wrote:

enemies everywhere!build yer bunker!sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket! i think this is from page 142 of the playbook........U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear TiesBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPERPublished: September 15, 2007WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicitnuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding theSyrians in their efforts.Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear weapons, said that Syria may have a number of "secret suppliers" for acovert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians werecurrently operating inside Syria.His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came in response to questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria lastweek. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targetsthe Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed ablanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting detailsabout the raid.American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials whoordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access has been restricted.Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria werespecialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syriawith missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program.Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past todevelop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely thatthe Syrians could afford such a program or had the technical expertiseto sustain it.The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria isheightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. TheBush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for itsdecision to dismantle its nuclear program."We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation," Mr.Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department. "To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to acceleratethe process which we've already engaged in, to achievedenuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific explanation from North Korean officials, and added that the issue"does not change the goal of what we're aiming for."A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over thepast several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials weresaid to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited aNorth Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling theIsraeli strike "a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonlyviolating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing theregional peace and security."Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, includingformer top Bush administration officials, said that possible intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid Syria should haltdiplomatic talks with Pyongyang."It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead withthe six-party process without this being resolved," said John R. Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations,referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. "They are rushingto finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe forthe president."I never thought about the universe, it made me feel smallNever thought about the problems of this planet at allGlobal warming, radio-active sitesImperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No! Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?Let the whales worry about the poisons in the seaOutside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no reactionsYour dilemmas are my distractionsI never looked around, never second-guessedThen I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressedAnd now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam ChomskyI'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food NationI'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalizationI'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan YouthI see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forcesI eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horsesTo send an email to -

[Guest guest]

Hi FraggleI've been generally surprised at how well Syria has been playing the political game with America. I had them down as the country to be invaded straight after Afghanistan, but every time America throws something out to try to start an invasion, Syria seem to somehow act exactly the right way to avoid it. But it's really only a matter of time before the US government gets what it wants and Syria gets invaded!

BBPeterOn 17/09/2007, fraggle <EBbrewpunx wrote:

 

they mentioned em from time to time..but it doesn't seem to stick very well

iran is easier

but...Iran, syria, iraq....all the same to most Americans.....

i have theory about the recent interest in blaming syria, and the spat the US is having with the Iraqi regime...but..we'll see

 

cheers

fraggle

Peter Kebbell Sep 17, 2007 11:44 AM Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

 

 

Ah - so they've finally got round to Syria. There's a surprise...BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle < EBbrewpunx

> wrote:

enemies everywhere!build yer bunker!sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket! i think this is from page 142 of the playbook........

U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear TiesBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPERPublished: September 15, 2007WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicit

nuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding theSyrians in their efforts.Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear weapons, said that Syria may have a number of " secret suppliers " for a

covert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians werecurrently operating inside Syria.His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came in response to questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria last

week. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targetsthe Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed ablanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting detailsabout the raid.

American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials whoordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access has been restricted.Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria were

specialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syriawith missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program.

Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past todevelop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely thatthe Syrians could afford such a program or had the technical expertise

to sustain it.The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria isheightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. The

Bush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for its

decision to dismantle its nuclear program. " We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation, " Mr.Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department. " To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to accelerate

the process which we've already engaged in, to achievedenuclearization of the Korean Peninsula. " He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific explanation from North Korean officials, and added that the issue

" does not change the goal of what we're aiming for. " A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over thepast several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance

flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials weresaid to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning

the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited aNorth Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling theIsraeli strike " a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonlyviolating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing the

regional peace and security. " Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, includingformer top Bush administration officials, said that possible intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid Syria should halt

diplomatic talks with Pyongyang. " It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead withthe six-party process without this being resolved, " said John R. Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations,

referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. " They are rushingto finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe forthe president. " I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small

Never thought about the problems of this planet at allGlobal warming, radio-active sitesImperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No! Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'?

Let the whales worry about the poisons in the seaOutside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no reactionsYour dilemmas are my distractionsI never looked around, never second-guessed

Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressedAnd now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam ChomskyI'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food Nation

I'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalizationI'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan YouthI see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces

I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horsesTo send an email to

-

[Guest guest]

not enough oil....

i think syria is more seen as something to be "dealt" with along the way

Peter Kebbell Sep 17, 2007 11:54 AM Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

 

 

Hi FraggleI've been generally surprised at how well Syria has been playing the political game with America. I had them down as the country to be invaded straight after Afghanistan, but every time America throws something out to try to start an invasion, Syria seem to somehow act exactly the right way to avoid it. But it's really only a matter of time before the US government gets what it wants and Syria gets invaded! BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle <EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:

 

 

they mentioned em from time to time..but it doesn't seem to stick very well

iran is easier

but...Iran, syria, iraq....all the same to most Americans.....

i have theory about the recent interest in blaming syria, and the spat the US is having with the Iraqi regime...but..we'll see

 

cheers

fraggle

 

Peter Kebbell Sep 17, 2007 11:44 AM Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

 

 

 

Ah - so they've finally got round to Syria. There's a surprise...BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle < EBbrewpunx (AT) earthlink (DOT) net > wrote: enemies everywhere!build yer bunker!sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket! i think this is from page 142 of the playbook........ U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear TiesBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPERPublished: September 15, 2007WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicit nuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding theSyrians in their efforts.Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear weapons, said that Syria may have a number of "secret suppliers" for a covert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians werecurrently operating inside Syria.His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came in response to questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria last week. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targetsthe Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed ablanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting detailsabout the raid. American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials whoordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access has been restricted.Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria were specialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syriawith missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program. Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past todevelop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely thatthe Syrians could afford such a program or had the technical expertise to sustain it.The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria isheightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. The Bush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for itsdecision to dismantle its nuclear program."We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation," Mr.Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department. "To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to accelerate the process which we've already engaged in, to achievedenuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific explanation from North Korean officials, and added that the issue "does not change the goal of what we're aiming for."A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over thepast several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials weresaid to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited aNorth Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling theIsraeli strike "a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonlyviolating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing the regional peace and security."Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, includingformer top Bush administration officials, said that possible intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid Syria should halt diplomatic talks with Pyongyang."It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead withthe six-party process without this being resolved," said John R. Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations, referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. "They are rushingto finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe forthe president."I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small Never thought about the problems of this planet at allGlobal warming, radio-active sitesImperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No! Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'? Let the whales worry about the poisons in the seaOutside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no reactionsYour dilemmas are my distractionsI never looked around, never second-guessed Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressedAnd now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam ChomskyI'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food NationI'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalizationI'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan YouthI see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horsesTo send an email to -

[Guest guest]

Bush has friends in Isreal to do his bidding there methinks?

 

The Valley Vegan...........

Peter H

 

 

Peter Kebbell <metalscarab Sent: Monday, 17 September, 2007 7:54:45 PMRe: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

Hi FraggleI've been generally surprised at how well Syria has been playing the political game with America. I had them down as the country to be invaded straight after Afghanistan, but every time America throws something out to try to start an invasion, Syria seem to somehow act exactly the right way to avoid it. But it's really only a matter of time before the US government gets what it wants and Syria gets invaded! BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net> wrote:

 

 

they mentioned em from time to time..but it doesn't seem to stick very well

iran is easier

but...Iran, syria, iraq....all the same to most Americans... ..

i have theory about the recent interest in blaming syria, and the spat the US is having with the Iraqi regime...but. .we'll see

 

cheers

fraggle

 

Peter Kebbell Sep 17, 2007 11:44 AM @gro ups.com Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

 

 

 

Ah - so they've finally got round to Syria. There's a surprise...BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle < EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net > wrote: enemies everywhere!build yer bunker!sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket! i think this is from page 142 of the playbook.... .... U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear TiesBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPERPublished: September 15, 2007WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicit nuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding theSyrians in their efforts.Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear weapons, said that Syria may have a number of "secret suppliers" for a covert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians werecurrently operating inside Syria.His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came in response to

questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria last week. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targetsthe Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed ablanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting detailsabout the raid. American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials whoordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access has been restricted.Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria were specialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syriawith missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program. Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past todevelop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely thatthe Syrians could afford such a program or had the

technical expertise to sustain it.The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria isheightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. The Bush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for itsdecision to dismantle its nuclear program."We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation," Mr.Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department. "To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to accelerate the process which we've already engaged in, to achievedenuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific explanation from North Korean

officials, and added that the issue "does not change the goal of what we're aiming for."A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over thepast several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials weresaid to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited aNorth Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling theIsraeli strike "a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonlyviolating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing the regional peace and security."Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, includingformer top Bush administration officials, said that possible intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid

Syria should halt diplomatic talks with Pyongyang."It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead withthe six-party process without this being resolved," said John R. Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations, referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. "They are rushingto finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe forthe president."I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small Never thought about the problems of this planet at allGlobal warming, radio-active sitesImperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No! Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'? Let the whales worry about the poisons in the seaOutside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no reactionsYour dilemmas are my distractionsI never looked

around, never second-guessed Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressedAnd now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam ChomskyI'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food NationI'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalizationI'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan YouthI see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horsesTo send an email to -unsubscr ibe

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and vice versa........

Peter VV Sep 18, 2007 3:37 PM Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

 

 

 

 

 

Bush has friends in Isreal to do his bidding there methinks?

 

The Valley Vegan...........

Peter H

 

 

Peter Kebbell <metalscarab > Sent: Monday, 17 September, 2007 7:54:45 PMRe: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

Hi FraggleI've been generally surprised at how well Syria has been playing the political game with America. I had them down as the country to be invaded straight after Afghanistan, but every time America throws something out to try to start an invasion, Syria seem to somehow act exactly the right way to avoid it. But it's really only a matter of time before the US government gets what it wants and Syria gets invaded! BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle <EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net> wrote:

 

they mentioned em from time to time..but it doesn't seem to stick very well

iran is easier

but...Iran, syria, iraq....all the same to most Americans... ..

i have theory about the recent interest in blaming syria, and the spat the US is having with the Iraqi regime...but. .we'll see

 

cheers

fraggle

 

Peter Kebbell Sep 17, 2007 11:44 AM @gro ups.com Re: and when you get tired of kicking that iraqi horse

 

 

 

 

Ah - so they've finally got round to Syria. There's a surprise...BBPeter

On 17/09/2007, fraggle < EBbrewpunx@earthlin k.net > wrote: enemies everywhere!build yer bunker!sales of duct tape and plastic sheeting skyrocket! i think this is from page 142 of the playbook.... .... U.S. Official Says Syria May Have Nuclear TiesBy MARK MAZZETTI and HELENE COOPERPublished: September 15, 2007WASHINGTON, Sept. 14 - A State Department official said Friday that the United States had concerns about Syria's involvement in illicit nuclear activities and suggested that North Korea might be aiding theSyrians in their efforts.Andrew Semmel, a top official on countering the spread of nuclear weapons, said that Syria may have a number of "secret suppliers" for a covert nuclear program, and that North Korean technicians werecurrently operating inside Syria.His comments, in an interview with The Associated Press in Rome, came in response to questions about an Israeli airstrike inside Syria last week. Neither Israel nor the United States has confirmed what targetsthe Israeli jets hit, and the government in Jerusalem has imposed ablanket restriction on the Israeli news media from reporting detailsabout the raid. American officials have been similarly tight-lipped, and officials whoordinarily see intelligence reports on such issues say their access has been restricted.Mr. Semmel did not specify whether the technicians in Syria were specialists in nuclear technology; North Korea has long supplied Syriawith missile technology. Some weapons experts said they were skeptical that Syria was in league with North Korea to build a secret program. Damascus is not thought to have made serious efforts in the past todevelop nuclear weapons, and those experts said it was unlikely thatthe Syrians could afford such a program or had the technical expertise to sustain it.The speculation about possible North Korean activities inside Syria isheightening the Bush administration's concern about the future of its diplomatic efforts to dismantle North Korea's nuclear program. The Bush administration's top negotiator for North Korea, Christopher R.Hill, said that the United States still planned to go ahead with an agreement for food and fuel aid to North Korea in exchange for itsdecision to dismantle its nuclear program."We've always been concerned about the issue of proliferation," Mr.Hill told reporters during a news conference at the State Department. "To me, this simply is an important reminder of the need to accelerate the process which we've already engaged in, to achievedenuclearization of the Korean Peninsula."He declined to say whether the United States had sought a specific explanation from North Korean officials, and added that the issue "does not change the goal of what we're aiming for."A Bush administration official said earlier this week that over thepast several weeks, Israel had conducted several aerial surveillance flights over Syria to take pictures of what Israeli officials weresaid to believe could be possible nuclear development installations.North Korea's government took the unusual step of publicly condemning the Israeli strike. The Chinese state-run news agency Xinhua cited aNorth Korean Foreign Ministry official on Tuesday as calling theIsraeli strike "a very dangerous provocation, little short of wantonlyviolating the sovereignty of Syria and seriously harassing the regional peace and security."Some who advocate a hard-line stance toward North Korea, includingformer top Bush administration officials, said that possible intelligence about North Korea's efforts to aid Syria should halt diplomatic talks with Pyongyang."It would be a big mistake for the State Department to push ahead withthe six-party process without this being resolved," said John R. Bolton, a former United States ambassador to the United Nations, referring to the diplomatic talks with North Korea. "They are rushingto finish this and declare victory, which could be a catastrophe forthe president."I never thought about the universe, it made me feel small Never thought about the problems of this planet at allGlobal warming, radio-active sitesImperialistic wrongs and animal rights! No! Why think of all the bad things when life is so good?Why help with an 'am' when there's always a 'could'? Let the whales worry about the poisons in the seaOutside of California, it's foreign policy I don't want changes, I have no reactionsYour dilemmas are my distractionsI never looked around, never second-guessed Then I read some Howard Zinn now I'm always depressedAnd now I can't sleep from years of apathy All because I read a little Noam ChomskyI'm eating vegetation, 'cause of Fast Food NationI'm wearing uncomfortable shoes 'cause of globalizationI'm watching Michael Moore expose the awful truth I'm listening to Public Enemy and Reagan YouthI see no world peace 'cause of zealous armed forces I eat no breath-mints 'cause they're from de-hoofed horsesTo send an email to -unsubscr ibe