Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Sorry to respond so long after the original - I've had no time recently so have been saving up posts to reply to. > ---------- > Dr Ian McDonald[sMTP:ian.mcdonald] > > GPs tend to want to shove pills down you. I understand that that's > because they've learnt that patients generally feel happier if they go > away with some pill or otherwise - it's an easy way of pleasing most > patients. > Actually this is not so much a response to Ian's exact words, more a comment on what I've noticed recently. I am surrounded by illness. In my office there are 7 people. One has breast/bone cancer, one woman's father has prostate cancer, another's mother has lung cancer. They are of course all omnivores. The one whose father has prostate cancer has a friend with a husband whose arteries are so furred he keeps having minor heart attacks and strokes. She is complaining that he doesn't smoke, doesn't drink much and is only in his fifties, so what has he done to deserve his condition? Usually I keep quiet, but this time I spoke up, quietly and rationally, about meat and dairy and how neither is a natural food for humans. I concluded by saying that if case histories can be believed, he could radically improve his own health by adopting a vegan diet. " Oh no, " she said. " I don't think he'd do anything that drastic. " I give up. Most people are utterly unwilling to take any kind of responsibility for their own health. They complain about a nanny state, but that's exactly what most of them want - someone to come along, push a pill down their throat and cure all the harm their over-indulgence has done. This same woman thinks I am a crank, because I avoid anything that's been in the dishwasher and I wash my hands after handling self-carbon paper. She will lick her fingers repeatedly while leafing through it. She is constantly at the doctor and has chronic asthma as well as reproductive problems. She eats total crap (some fruit too, but she loves things like Snack-a-Jack - have you SEEN the e numbers?), eats meat and dairy every day, is never well and has the front to ask me whether I'm obsessed with death, because I avoid taking chemicals into my body where possible. She is not unintelligent and I would guess is fairly representative. But oh how I cringe when I hear people moaning about their illnesses when I know bloody well most of them are self-inflicted. Thanks for the rant. Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 " Cathy Jupp (BR) " wrote: > > crank, because I avoid anything that's been in the dishwasher and I wash my Dishwasher? What's the problem there? -- Ian McDonald http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 20, 2001 Report Share Posted November 20, 2001 Cathy It always amazes me, when people ask if I'm a fussy eater - of course I'm a fussy eater - I want proper food not rubbish. I sometimes ask them why they don't care what goes into their bodies! Jo > Actually this is not so much a response to Ian's exact words, more a comment > on what I've noticed recently. I am surrounded by illness. In my office > there are 7 people. One has breast/bone cancer, one woman's father has > prostate cancer, another's mother has lung cancer. They are of course all > omnivores. The one whose father has prostate cancer has a friend with a > husband whose arteries are so furred he keeps having minor heart attacks and > strokes. She is complaining that he doesn't smoke, doesn't drink much and > is only in his fifties, so what has he done to deserve his condition? > Usually I keep quiet, but this time I spoke up, quietly and rationally, > about meat and dairy and how neither is a natural food for humans. I > concluded by saying that if case histories can be believed, he could > radically improve his own health by adopting a vegan diet. " Oh no, " she > said. " I don't think he'd do anything that drastic. " I give up. Most > people are utterly unwilling to take any kind of responsibility for their > own health. They complain about a nanny state, but that's exactly what most > of them want - someone to come along, push a pill down their throat and cure > all the harm their over-indulgence has done. This same woman thinks I am a > crank, because I avoid anything that's been in the dishwasher and I wash my > hands after handling self-carbon paper. She will lick her fingers > repeatedly while leafing through it. She is constantly at the doctor and > has chronic asthma as well as reproductive problems. She eats total crap > (some fruit too, but she loves things like Snack-a-Jack - have you SEEN the > e numbers?), eats meat and dairy every day, is never well and has the front > to ask me whether I'm obsessed with death, because I avoid taking chemicals > into my body where possible. She is not unintelligent and I would guess is > fairly representative. But oh how I cringe when I hear people moaning about > their illnesses when I know bloody well most of them are self-inflicted. > Thanks for the rant. > Cathy > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 Ok, how can intelligent people not see the clear connection between their arteries being plugged up with cholesterol and eating meat/eggs/dairy? When someone has heart disease, do they normally talk to a nutritionist about changing their diet? What is the general consensus in the nutrition community regarding vegetarian/vegan diets and overall health? Dawn , " Cathy Jupp (BR) " <cjbr@s...> wrote: > Sorry to respond so long after the original - I've had no time recently so > have been saving up posts to reply to. > > > ---------- > > Dr Ian McDonald[sMTP:ian.mcdonald@i...] > > > > GPs tend to want to shove pills down you. I understand that that's > > because they've learnt that patients generally feel happier if they go > > away with some pill or otherwise - it's an easy way of pleasing most > > patients. > > > Actually this is not so much a response to Ian's exact words, more a comment > on what I've noticed recently. I am surrounded by illness. In my office > there are 7 people. One has breast/bone cancer, one woman's father has > prostate cancer, another's mother has lung cancer. They are of course all > omnivores. The one whose father has prostate cancer has a friend with a > husband whose arteries are so furred he keeps having minor heart attacks and > strokes. She is complaining that he doesn't smoke, doesn't drink much and > is only in his fifties, so what has he done to deserve his condition? > Usually I keep quiet, but this time I spoke up, quietly and rationally, > about meat and dairy and how neither is a natural food for humans. I > concluded by saying that if case histories can be believed, he could > radically improve his own health by adopting a vegan diet. " Oh no, " she > said. " I don't think he'd do anything that drastic. " I give up. Most > people are utterly unwilling to take any kind of responsibility for their > own health. They complain about a nanny state, but that's exactly what most > of them want - someone to come along, push a pill down their throat and cure > all the harm their over-indulgence has done. This same woman thinks I am a > crank, because I avoid anything that's been in the dishwasher and I wash my > hands after handling self-carbon paper. She will lick her fingers > repeatedly while leafing through it. She is constantly at the doctor and > has chronic asthma as well as reproductive problems. She eats total crap > (some fruit too, but she loves things like Snack-a-Jack - have you SEEN the > e numbers?), eats meat and dairy every day, is never well and has the front > to ask me whether I'm obsessed with death, because I avoid taking chemicals > into my body where possible. She is not unintelligent and I would guess is > fairly representative. But oh how I cringe when I hear people moaning about > their illnesses when I know bloody well most of them are self- inflicted. > Thanks for the rant. > Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 21, 2001 Report Share Posted November 21, 2001 its amazing..veganism is " drastic " clogged arteries leading to strokes and heart attacks, then taking pills for the rest of yer life, having ballons inserted in yer chest, arteries ripped from other parts of yer body and stuck on the heart, bypasses, et al..thats not drastic...eating plants is drastic, infasive chest surgery isn't humans be strange critters fraggle " Dawn Ressel " <dmressel wrote: >Ok, how can intelligent people not see the clear connection between >their arteries being plugged up with cholesterol and eating >meat/eggs/dairy? > >When someone has heart disease, do they normally talk to a >nutritionist about changing their diet? > >What is the general consensus in the nutrition community regarding >vegetarian/vegan diets and overall health? > >Dawn > >, " Cathy Jupp (BR) " <cjbr@s...> wrote: >> Sorry to respond so long after the original - I've had no time >recently so >> have been saving up posts to reply to. >> >> > ---------- >> > Dr Ian McDonald[sMTP:ian.mcdonald@i...] >> > >> > GPs tend to want to shove pills down you. I understand that that's >> > because they've learnt that patients generally feel happier if >they go >> > away with some pill or otherwise - it's an easy way of pleasing >most >> > patients. >> > >> Actually this is not so much a response to Ian's exact words, more >a comment >> on what I've noticed recently. I am surrounded by illness. In my >office >> there are 7 people. One has breast/bone cancer, one woman's father >has >> prostate cancer, another's mother has lung cancer. They are of >course all >> omnivores. The one whose father has prostate cancer has a friend >with a >> husband whose arteries are so furred he keeps having minor heart >attacks and >> strokes. She is complaining that he doesn't smoke, doesn't drink >much and >> is only in his fifties, so what has he done to deserve his >condition? >> Usually I keep quiet, but this time I spoke up, quietly and >rationally, >> about meat and dairy and how neither is a natural food for humans. >I >> concluded by saying that if case histories can be believed, he could >> radically improve his own health by adopting a vegan diet. " Oh >no, " she >> said. " I don't think he'd do anything that drastic. " I give up. >Most >> people are utterly unwilling to take any kind of responsibility for >their >> own health. They complain about a nanny state, but that's exactly >what most >> of them want - someone to come along, push a pill down their throat >and cure >> all the harm their over-indulgence has done. This same woman >thinks I am a >> crank, because I avoid anything that's been in the dishwasher and I >wash my >> hands after handling self-carbon paper. She will lick her fingers >> repeatedly while leafing through it. She is constantly at the >doctor and >> has chronic asthma as well as reproductive problems. She eats >total crap >> (some fruit too, but she loves things like Snack-a-Jack - have you >SEEN the >> e numbers?), eats meat and dairy every day, is never well and has >the front >> to ask me whether I'm obsessed with death, because I avoid taking >chemicals >> into my body where possible. She is not unintelligent and I would >guess is >> fairly representative. But oh how I cringe when I hear people >moaning about >> their illnesses when I know bloody well most of them are self- >inflicted. >> Thanks for the rant. >> Cathy > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Dawn > When someone has heart disease, do they normally talk to a > nutritionist about changing their diet? When my youngest brother in law had heart attacks and an angioplasty, the information he was given on diet was next to nothing. I think they just told him to cut down on saturated fat, but gave no details on how to. They also advised more walking as exercise (speed walking being difficult for a blind-person!). I don't think he saw a nutritionist. Anyway, he telephoned us for advice, and of course we advised him to give up meat etc. completely, and gave him loads of the recipes that we thought he would like. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 22, 2001 Report Share Posted November 22, 2001 Fraggle > its amazing..veganism is " drastic " > clogged arteries leading to strokes and heart attacks, then taking pills for the rest of yer life, having ballons inserted in yer chest, arteries ripped from other parts of yer body and stuck on the heart, bypasses, et al..thats not drastic...eating plants is drastic, infasive chest surgery isn't > humans be strange critters LOL They sure are. It's strange how people ask about what you eat - and then say 'I could never do that'. Jo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2001 Report Share Posted November 23, 2001 In a message dated 11/22/01 10:09:51 AM Pacific Standard Time, Heartwork writes: LOL They sure are. It's strange how people ask about what you eat - and then say 'I could never do that'. Jo yeah...especially yesterday here..the most asked question is always "so, what do you actually eat on thanksgiving?" oh, i usually just go chew on a tree, maybe burp up some old cud, you know sheeesh at least our "traditional" celebration with my friends is vegan friendly, and horribly meat friendly also, but, they try fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 23, 2001 Report Share Posted November 23, 2001 I was lucky. My only thanksgiving meal was an utterly delicious one with friends of my then GF who were raised seventh-day adventist. BTW, any 7th-day adventists on the list? -- Ian McDonald http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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