Guest guest Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been convicted of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over his friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state did not. Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian idealism and practice. For shame --Chuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2001 Report Share Posted November 27, 2001 resistsociety999 wrote: > > One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been convicted > of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over his > friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state did > not. > Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian > idealism and practice. For shame The US prison system. " Throw them away and forget about them. " Ugh. Worse, it's not going to help him stay off heroin. If he's a Buddhist, does freedom of conscience give him any rights to stay, say, veggie at least? -- Ian McDonald http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 veggie in jail means lotsa carrot sticks..... Dr Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald wrote: > > >resistsociety999 wrote: >> >> One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been convicted >> of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over his >> friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state did >> not. >> Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian >> idealism and practice. For shame > >The US prison system. " Throw them away and forget about them. " Ugh. > >Worse, it's not going to help him stay off heroin. > >If he's a Buddhist, does freedom of conscience give him any rights to >stay, say, veggie at least? > >-- >Ian McDonald > >http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html >http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov >http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 If some hunt took heroin and ran me over and hurt me bad, no way would I forgive!!! >resistsociety999 > > > Horrible news >Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:03:10 -0000 > >One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been convicted >of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over his >friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state did >not. >Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian >idealism and practice. For shame > > >--Chuck > _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Of course you see, everyone was on heroin besides me and Tom. Ken and Mike were GOOD friends, almost family. Ken had to back his car out of veronica's driveway because her mom was coming home soon and we had to get ready to leave. Ken warned the group that he wasn't fit to drive about 20 minutes prior to him backing out of the driveway. Mike, who passed out almost into the grass next to the pavement at the end of the driveway, was unseen by us all because it's a large driveway and the street light didn't produce enough light for us to see clearly down the end of the driveway. We were all hanging out on the porch while Ken went to back the car out of the drive way. After we left there we were going to go to the park in the community to avoid driving much. Ken wasn't in no shape to drive but he backed out of the driveway nonetheless where he went a little too fast and swerved a bit off into the grass, catching mike underneath of the car and dragged him back onto the pavement. He was burned by the muffler, and his face got smashed up (but it healed after a month or so). Mike knew that it was an accident, thus, he forgave. You should be more considerate when revoking someone the right to your friendship Cheers! E//A --Chuck. -- In , " slg edith " <slgedith@h...> wrote: > If some hunt took heroin and ran me over and hurt me bad, no way would I > forgive!!! > > > >resistsociety999 > > > > > > Horrible news > >Tue, 27 Nov 2001 21:03:10 -0000 > > > >One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been convicted > >of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over his > >friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state did > >not. > >Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian > >idealism and practice. For shame > > > > > >--Chuck > > > > > _______________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 See, Ken went a little further than veganism. He was a bhuddist that practiced a lot of ghandian ideals. He wouldn't use bug spray, wouldn't intentionally step on any insects, wouldn't dare support factory farming, wore a gauze mask when there were a lot of insects in the air and so forth. And what makes him a fruitarian is the fact that he wouldn't eat any vegetable that resulted in the entire killing of the plant, rather he ate harvest fruits where it didn't kill the plant. You could only imagine how he felt about running Mike over. When Mike was in the hospital Ken was a wreck, so distraught I couldn't believe it was the same Ken. Did the courts know this? no, they just punished, punished, punished. REgardless of Mikes not wanting to press charges. Stupid sods Cheers! E//A --Chuck , EBbrewpunx@c... wrote: > veggie in jail means lotsa carrot sticks..... > > Dr Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald@i...> wrote: > > > > > > >resistsociety999 wrote: > >> > >> One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been convicted > >> of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over his > >> friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state did > >> not. > >> Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian > >> idealism and practice. For shame > > > >The US prison system. " Throw them away and forget about them. " Ugh. > > > >Worse, it's not going to help him stay off heroin. > > > >If he's a Buddhist, does freedom of conscience give him any rights to > >stay, say, veggie at least? > > > >-- > >Ian McDonald > > > >http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html > >http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov > >http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs > > > > > >To send an email to - > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2001 Report Share Posted November 28, 2001 Hi Folks > >The US prison system. " Throw them away and forget about them. " Ugh. > >Worse, it's not going to help him stay off heroin. > >If he's a Buddhist, does freedom of conscience give him any rights to > >stay, say, veggie at least? Something that has always baffled me - many people in prison have violent tendencies (I know this isn't the case with what we're talking about, but in general) - so, why do they insist on feeding people meat laced with steroids which will only help to encourage those tendencies????? BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.303 / Virus Database: 164 - Release 24/11/01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Peter wrote: > > Something that has always baffled me - many people in prison have violent > tendencies (I know this isn't the case with what we're talking about, but in > general) - so, why do they insist on feeding people meat laced with steroids > which will only help to encourage those tendencies????? > > BB > Peter > Surely, Peter, it's obvious that prison governors don't agree with you that the steriods in meat encourage that aggression? (Prison is an expensive way of making bad people worse. I mean, if the US prison service wanted to stop completing messing things up, there are other places to start.) -- Ian McDonald http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 This is a most unfortunate situation - all around. However, I thought I'd mention - in the US prisoners have the right to request special dietary meals on the grounds of religion. If his fruitarian choices are encompassed in his religion, they may accommodate him. Not sure. He may have to go to straight veganism. Also, it's very sad to me that your friend cares so much about hurting any living thing - even plants - enough to be a fruitarian. However, he seems to have little regard for his own safety and health if he's using heroin. A self-destructive fruitarian does little to add good karma to the world. I'm not judging - I'm simply very sad for him. As for his friend forgiving him for running him over - he'd be a little hypocritical not to. In his shape - drugged up etc., the situation could have easily been reversed. I'm not trying to be inflammatory - just speaking my mind. Dawn , Dr Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald@i...> wrote: > > > resistsociety999 wrote: > > > > One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been convicted > > of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over his > > friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state did > > not. > > Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian > > idealism and practice. For shame > > The US prison system. " Throw them away and forget about them. " Ugh. > > Worse, it's not going to help him stay off heroin. > > If he's a Buddhist, does freedom of conscience give him any rights to > stay, say, veggie at least? > > -- > Ian McDonald > > http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html > http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov > http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2001 Report Share Posted November 29, 2001 Speaking your mind is always good.. Unless you're Emma Goldman Well, Ken wasn't a " heroin user " . He smoked herbs, but I'm quite sure that was his first time using heroin and he only snorted half of a pill. He was just a light weight I guess. Mike had snorted 2 whole (raw) pills of heroin and had about a six pack of beer in him. So yeah, the situation could have easily been reversed, good point. Let's not down Kenny for trying heroin, I've heard enough of this myself. These kids that are so eager to attack you simply for trying out something new. Last summer In baltimore I tried heroin, I snorted a full pill and I felt great. I'll never do it again because I'm consciously aware of the profound addiction levels. " Neophobia is, I'll say, never wise to possess; Idiophobia is just something that possesses me. " ~Isaac Mour'is (Neophobia- afraid of something new) (idiophobia- dread of ignorance, stupidity, and closed-mindedness in others) Cheers! E//A --Chuck , " Dawn Ressel " <dmressel> wrote: > This is a most unfortunate situation - all around. > > However, I thought I'd mention - in the US prisoners have the right > to request special dietary meals on the grounds of religion. If his > fruitarian choices are encompassed in his religion, they may > accommodate him. Not sure. He may have to go to straight veganism. > > Also, it's very sad to me that your friend cares so much about > hurting any living thing - even plants - enough to be a fruitarian. > However, he seems to have little regard for his own safety and health > if he's using heroin. A self-destructive fruitarian does little to > add good karma to the world. I'm not judging - I'm simply very sad > for him. > > As for his friend forgiving him for running him over - he'd be a > little hypocritical not to. In his shape - drugged up etc., the > situation could have easily been reversed. > > I'm not trying to be inflammatory - just speaking my mind. > > Dawn > > , Dr Ian McDonald <ian.mcdonald@i...> wrote: > > > > > > resistsociety999 wrote: > > > > > > One of my good buddhist friends Ken has just recently been > convicted > > > of causing life threatening injury while intoxicated: He ran over > his > > > friend mike when he was on heroin. Mike forgave him but the state > did > > > not. > > > Now that he has a year in prison he has to abandon his fruitarian > > > idealism and practice. For shame > > > > The US prison system. " Throw them away and forget about them. " Ugh. > > > > Worse, it's not going to help him stay off heroin. > > > > If he's a Buddhist, does freedom of conscience give him any rights > to > > stay, say, veggie at least? > > > > -- > > Ian McDonald > > > > http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/alternative.html > > http://travel.to/startrekcolony - Star Trek: Colony site & .mov > > http://www.tardis.ed.ac.uk/~type40/who-rpg.html - Dr. Who RPGs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2001 Report Share Posted November 30, 2001 In a message dated 11/29/01 6:02:36 AM Pacific Standard Time, dmressel writes: However, I thought I'd mention - in the US prisoners have the right to request special dietary meals on the grounds of religion. If his fruitarian choices are encompassed in his religion, they may accommodate him. Not sure. He may have to go to straight veganism. have the right..maybe...is it enforced? *rofl* not bloody well likely... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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