Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 Ok, so I'm going to my parents ranch in Texas for a week on Friday. I've never been there, but I've seen pictures. My parents got a lil wacked out after they hit 55 and decided to build a ranch. My parents are from CHICAGO, and then after that they moved to Scottsdale Az (very very ritzy area). Ok so picture the whole Beverly Hillbillies thing, but backwards...that's my parents. So, Anyways, I've seen pictures. In the pictures of their ranch there are a couple of cows. The cows have a HUGE area to graze, and a barn they can enter/leave at their own will. The cows pretty much do their own gig. So I asked my mom " What are you going to do with the cows? Are they just like pets or what? " She replied: " Nothing right now, but when we get more we will sell them off. " I kinda freaked out. I told her that I think it's horrible that these cows are used to huge spaces, and pretty much being pets and then they are going to be sold and end up in crates where they will barely be able to move. She replied " No, you are thinking of veal. " I said " No mom, they do this to all the cows, dairy cows included " . She said " I don't want to talk about this right now, when you have a hobby you need to be able to pay for it. " Ok so her hobby is abusing animals?? I mean we aren't talking about people who cannot afford to have PET cows, if she so chose and even still what the heck kind of hobby is raising cows to send them off to be killed??? The only reason why I'm going is cuz my dad isn't in the best of health, he hasn't been for many years. He's a vietnam vet, was a navy seal, and has seen and done quite a bit of stuff that hasn't been good on his body. I'm seriously worried that he won't be around much longer and I'd hate to have skipped seeing him only to hear that I'll be seeing him at his funeral. My kids have never really met him, and really, he's a pretty cool guy and I really want my dad to meet my kids and vice versa. My sisters are also going to be there next week and I haven't seen my neice since she was 2 (she's 6 now) and I haven't seen my nephew for 2 years. But I don't know what to do! I cannot keep my mouth shut about the future of these " pets " but I'm afraid it's going to make a huge issue and ruin the whole visit. What do you all think I should do? Not go? Go and attempt to educate? (if so how??) Or just Go and keep my vegan mouth shut? My parents have always thought my passion for animals was a bit " odd " so I'm thinking anything I try to do will just have them sluffing it off as the ramblings of a bleeding heart. Any Advice?? Talisman ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Mommy to Matthew and Sean Owner mom2boys @ Have a son?? Come join us!!! ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2001 Report Share Posted December 18, 2001 HI, I'm quite new to the board, haven't posted much yet. My family's a little like yours in some ways. And, I live with them. Something I can't really control right now. I'm on dissability, and about to go back to school. So, it's really the only way I see of making it. My father has an emu farm, raises dogs, and has a collection of cats. In his spare time he hunts and fishes. He's a very strong advocate of the NRA(National Rifle Association). I usually speak my mind as a vegan, and it always ends up in a fight that he wins, because I just give up and shut up. I get cut down every time I pick up a vegetable, or cook vegan food...which is every meal. All they eat is rice, gravy, and meat. And it's the only lifestyle they condone.It's a hard way of life for any vegan. Very hard to tolerate at times. Most of my time is spent in pain or anger. I always speak my mind. I will never not say anything, and never conform to my families way of life. But, that's just me. I will also always love my family no matter what. You shouldn't have to sacrifice your personal beliefs for your families. But, these are just my thoughts.It may be a little different, with your fathers health. Just follow your heart. --- Talisman wrote: > Ok, so I'm going to my parents ranch in Texas for a > week on Friday. I've > never been > there, but I've seen pictures. My parents got a lil > wacked out after they > hit 55 and > decided to build a ranch. My parents are from > CHICAGO, and then after that > they > moved to Scottsdale Az (very very ritzy area). Ok so > picture the whole > Beverly > Hillbillies thing, but backwards...that's my > parents. > > So, Anyways, I've seen pictures. In the pictures of > their ranch there are a > couple of > cows. The cows have a HUGE area to graze, and a barn > they can enter/leave at > their own will. The cows pretty much do their own > gig. > > So I asked my mom "What are you going to do with the > cows? Are they just > like pets or what?" She replied: "Nothing right now, > but when we get more we > will sell them off." I kinda freaked out. I told her > that I think it's > horrible that these cows are used to huge spaces, > and pretty much being pets > and then they are going to be sold and end up in > crates where they will > barely be able to move. She replied "No, you are > thinking of veal." I said > "No mom, they do this to all the cows, dairy cows > included". She said "I > don't want to talk about this right now, when you > have a hobby you need to > be able to pay for it." > > Ok so her hobby is abusing animals?? I mean we > aren't talking about people > who cannot afford to have PET cows, if she so chose > and even still what the > heck kind of hobby is raising cows to send them off > to be killed??? > > The only reason why I'm going is cuz my dad isn't in > the best of health, he > hasn't been for many years. He's a vietnam vet, was > a navy seal, and has > seen and done quite a bit of stuff that hasn't been > good on his body. I'm > seriously worried that he won't be around much > longer and I'd hate to have > skipped seeing him only to hear that I'll be seeing > him at his funeral. My > kids have never really met him, and really, he's a > pretty cool guy and I > really want my dad to meet my kids and vice versa. > My sisters are also going > to be there next week and I haven't seen my neice > since she was 2 (she's 6 > now) and I haven't seen my nephew for 2 years. > > But I don't know what to do! I cannot keep my mouth > shut about the future of > these "pets" but I'm afraid it's going to make a > huge issue and ruin the > whole visit. > > What do you all think I should do? Not go? Go and > attempt to educate? (if so > how??) Or just Go and keep my vegan mouth shut? My > parents have always > thought my passion for animals was a bit "odd" so > I'm thinking anything I > try to do will just have them sluffing it off as the > ramblings of a bleeding > heart. > > Any Advice?? > > Talisman > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mommy to Matthew and Sean > Owner mom2boys @ > Have a son?? Come join us!!! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 I think you should go,and not make an issue of it...however,I'd suggest bringing along some literature about the horrors cows go through on factory farms and whatnot,and maybe leaving it there for them when you leave. And continuing to educate them about it as much as possible...but don't do it while you're there and ruin the visit. Chris X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 Hi Talisman, I really sympathize with you as I had a similar experience recently. I was invited to lunch by my sister and mother who i haven't seen for a while, so I agreed to go on condition that we go to this vegan restaurant. They agreed but when I got there after a long trip over London, my sister changed her mind and wanted to go and eat Turkey at the "standard" restaurant. as you can imagine I was very annoyed about this and especially with my mother who hadn't told me about the change of plans. I went , but had an argument with my sister and refused to sit with her and watch her eat a dead animal. I left the restaurant because I couldn't stand the digusting smell and my mother took me to the vegan restaurant followed by my sister who after me ranting and raving saw the error of her ways. I'm not saying she's vegan now , far from it, but I've sent her some imformation and an introduction explaining about factory farming and veganism and hopefully this will help as previously she had no contact with vegans and was very ignorant. I think this is the best approach , just try to educate them and show them pictures and give them some literature on why they shouldn't eat meat.why they shouldn't eat meat. - Talisman Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:44 PM A Dilema (Kinda sensitive topic, sorry) Ok, so I'm going to my parents ranch in Texas for a week on Friday. I'venever beenthere, but I've seen pictures. My parents got a lil wacked out after theyhit 55 anddecided to build a ranch. My parents are from CHICAGO, and then after thattheymoved to Scottsdale Az (very very ritzy area). Ok so picture the wholeBeverlyHillbillies thing, but backwards...that's my parents.So, Anyways, I've seen pictures. In the pictures of their ranch there are acouple ofcows. The cows have a HUGE area to graze, and a barn they can enter/leave attheir own will. The cows pretty much do their own gig.So I asked my mom "What are you going to do with the cows? Are they justlike pets or what?" She replied: "Nothing right now, but when we get more wewill sell them off." I kinda freaked out. I told her that I think it'shorrible that these cows are used to huge spaces, and pretty much being petsand then they are going to be sold and end up in crates where they willbarely be able to move. She replied "No, you are thinking of veal." I said"No mom, they do this to all the cows, dairy cows included". She said "Idon't want to talk about this right now, when you have a hobby you need tobe able to pay for it."Ok so her hobby is abusing animals?? I mean we aren't talking about peoplewho cannot afford to have PET cows, if she so chose and even still what theheck kind of hobby is raising cows to send them off to be killed???The only reason why I'm going is cuz my dad isn't in the best of health, hehasn't been for many years. He's a vietnam vet, was a navy seal, and hasseen and done quite a bit of stuff that hasn't been good on his body. I'mseriously worried that he won't be around much longer and I'd hate to haveskipped seeing him only to hear that I'll be seeing him at his funeral. Mykids have never really met him, and really, he's a pretty cool guy and Ireally want my dad to meet my kids and vice versa. My sisters are also goingto be there next week and I haven't seen my neice since she was 2 (she's 6now) and I haven't seen my nephew for 2 years.But I don't know what to do! I cannot keep my mouth shut about the future ofthese "pets" but I'm afraid it's going to make a huge issue and ruin thewhole visit.What do you all think I should do? Not go? Go and attempt to educate? (if sohow??) Or just Go and keep my vegan mouth shut? My parents have alwaysthought my passion for animals was a bit "odd" so I'm thinking anything Itry to do will just have them sluffing it off as the ramblings of a bleedingheart.Any Advice??Talisman~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Mommy to Matthew and SeanOwner mom2boys @ Have a son?? Come join us!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 the last message was from Kim and was sent before I had a chance to finish it. - Talisman Tuesday, December 18, 2001 8:44 PM A Dilema (Kinda sensitive topic, sorry) Ok, so I'm going to my parents ranch in Texas for a week on Friday. I'venever beenthere, but I've seen pictures. My parents got a lil wacked out after theyhit 55 anddecided to build a ranch. My parents are from CHICAGO, and then after thattheymoved to Scottsdale Az (very very ritzy area). Ok so picture the wholeBeverlyHillbillies thing, but backwards...that's my parents.So, Anyways, I've seen pictures. In the pictures of their ranch there are acouple ofcows. The cows have a HUGE area to graze, and a barn they can enter/leave attheir own will. The cows pretty much do their own gig.So I asked my mom "What are you going to do with the cows? Are they justlike pets or what?" She replied: "Nothing right now, but when we get more wewill sell them off." I kinda freaked out. I told her that I think it'shorrible that these cows are used to huge spaces, and pretty much being petsand then they are going to be sold and end up in crates where they willbarely be able to move. She replied "No, you are thinking of veal." I said"No mom, they do this to all the cows, dairy cows included". She said "Idon't want to talk about this right now, when you have a hobby you need tobe able to pay for it."Ok so her hobby is abusing animals?? I mean we aren't talking about peoplewho cannot afford to have PET cows, if she so chose and even still what theheck kind of hobby is raising cows to send them off to be killed???The only reason why I'm going is cuz my dad isn't in the best of health, hehasn't been for many years. He's a vietnam vet, was a navy seal, and hasseen and done quite a bit of stuff that hasn't been good on his body. I'mseriously worried that he won't be around much longer and I'd hate to haveskipped seeing him only to hear that I'll be seeing him at his funeral. Mykids have never really met him, and really, he's a pretty cool guy and Ireally want my dad to meet my kids and vice versa. My sisters are also goingto be there next week and I haven't seen my neice since she was 2 (she's 6now) and I haven't seen my nephew for 2 years.But I don't know what to do! I cannot keep my mouth shut about the future ofthese "pets" but I'm afraid it's going to make a huge issue and ruin thewhole visit.What do you all think I should do? Not go? Go and attempt to educate? (if sohow??) Or just Go and keep my vegan mouth shut? My parents have alwaysthought my passion for animals was a bit "odd" so I'm thinking anything Itry to do will just have them sluffing it off as the ramblings of a bleedingheart.Any Advice??Talisman~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Mommy to Matthew and SeanOwner mom2boys @ Have a son?? Come join us!!!~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 go with the soft sell approach don't go all out and get angry, especially around the holidays, it probably won't change anything, and everyone will just get angry and you'll feel guilty later 1. its a great learning experince fer yer kids.. " see, isn't this animal nice... " ..then, when you go tot he supermarket you can point out wot others do to the cows 2. bring yer folks " food revolution " or a simialr book, leave it around..don't preach, just say, " i care " and such dunno if this helps er not (my folks are avowed meat eaters, and i'm sending them food revolution fer the holidays...hahahahhahahaa) cheers fraggle Talisman <talisman wrote: >Ok, so I'm going to my parents ranch in Texas for a week on Friday. I've >never been >there, but I've seen pictures. My parents got a lil wacked out after they >hit 55 and >decided to build a ranch. My parents are from CHICAGO, and then after that >they >moved to Scottsdale Az (very very ritzy area). Ok so picture the whole >Beverly >Hillbillies thing, but backwards...that's my parents. > >So, Anyways, I've seen pictures. In the pictures of their ranch there are a >couple of >cows. The cows have a HUGE area to graze, and a barn they can enter/leave at >their own will. The cows pretty much do their own gig. > >So I asked my mom " What are you going to do with the cows? Are they just >like pets or what? " She replied: " Nothing right now, but when we get more we >will sell them off. " I kinda freaked out. I told her that I think it's >horrible that these cows are used to huge spaces, and pretty much being pets >and then they are going to be sold and end up in crates where they will >barely be able to move. She replied " No, you are thinking of veal. " I said > " No mom, they do this to all the cows, dairy cows included " . She said " I >don't want to talk about this right now, when you have a hobby you need to >be able to pay for it. " > >Ok so her hobby is abusing animals?? I mean we aren't talking about people >who cannot afford to have PET cows, if she so chose and even still what the >heck kind of hobby is raising cows to send them off to be killed??? > >The only reason why I'm going is cuz my dad isn't in the best of health, he >hasn't been for many years. He's a vietnam vet, was a navy seal, and has >seen and done quite a bit of stuff that hasn't been good on his body. I'm >seriously worried that he won't be around much longer and I'd hate to have >skipped seeing him only to hear that I'll be seeing him at his funeral. My >kids have never really met him, and really, he's a pretty cool guy and I >really want my dad to meet my kids and vice versa. My sisters are also going >to be there next week and I haven't seen my neice since she was 2 (she's 6 >now) and I haven't seen my nephew for 2 years. > >But I don't know what to do! I cannot keep my mouth shut about the future of >these " pets " but I'm afraid it's going to make a huge issue and ruin the >whole visit. > >What do you all think I should do? Not go? Go and attempt to educate? (if so >how??) Or just Go and keep my vegan mouth shut? My parents have always >thought my passion for animals was a bit " odd " so I'm thinking anything I >try to do will just have them sluffing it off as the ramblings of a bleeding >heart. > >Any Advice?? > >Talisman >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >Mommy to Matthew and Sean >Owner mom2boys @ >Have a son?? Come join us!!! >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 My personal philosophy is to value animal life, but not over another human being. If that means keeping your mouth shut to make your visit with your father as pleasant as possible (for him), so be it. I'm very sad for the whole situation. Unfortunately, this might be one of your last visits with your father. You do not want to have any regrets. My advice would be to let the issue go for now. Perhaps later you can have a better opportunity to press the issue with your mother. It sounds as if she's the one with the so called " hobby, " but maybe I'm misreading this. You could mail her some animal rights awareness literature after you leave. I personally wouldn't press the issue at all related to this visit. Hope this helps, Dawn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 Why are you on disability ? and why does your father keep having a go at you every time you prepare your meal ? He should mind his own business How old are you ? Do you have to live at home ? It seems to me that you already have difficulties He shouldn't add to them !!!! Angie - Jessica Guillory Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:32 PM Re: A Dilema (Kinda sensitive topic, sorry) HI, I'm quite new to the board, haven't posted much yet. My family's a little like yours in some ways. And, I live with them. Something I can't really control right now. I'm on dissability, and about to go back to school. So, it's really the only way I see of making it. My father has an emu farm, raises dogs, and has a collection of cats. In his spare time he hunts and fishes. He's a very strong advocate of the NRA(National Rifle Association). I usually speak my mind as a vegan, and it always ends up in a fight that he wins, because I just give up and shut up. I get cut down every time I pick up a vegetable, or cook vegan food...which is every meal. All they eat is rice, gravy, and meat. And it's the only lifestyle they condone.It's a hard way of life for any vegan. Very hard to tolerate at times. Most of my time is spent in pain or anger. I always speak my mind. I will never not say anything, and never conform to my families way of life. But, that's just me. I will also always love my family no matter what. You shouldn't have to sacrifice your personal beliefs for your families. But, these are just my thoughts.It may be a little different, with your fathers health. Just follow your heart. --- Talisman wrote: > Ok, so I'm going to my parents ranch in Texas for a > week on Friday. I've > never been > there, but I've seen pictures. My parents got a lil > wacked out after they > hit 55 and > decided to build a ranch. My parents are from > CHICAGO, and then after that > they > moved to Scottsdale Az (very very ritzy area). Ok so > picture the whole > Beverly > Hillbillies thing, but backwards...that's my > parents. > > So, Anyways, I've seen pictures. In the pictures of > their ranch there are a > couple of > cows. The cows have a HUGE area to graze, and a barn > they can enter/leave at > their own will. The cows pretty much do their own > gig. > > So I asked my mom "What are you going to do with the > cows? Are they just > like pets or what?" She replied: "Nothing right now, > but when we get more we > will sell them off." I kinda freaked out. I told her > that I think it's > horrible that these cows are used to huge spaces, > and pretty much being pets > and then they are going to be sold and end up in > crates where they will > barely be able to move. She replied "No, you are > thinking of veal." I said > "No mom, they do this to all the cows, dairy cows > included". She said "I > don't want to talk about this right now, when you > have a hobby you need to > be able to pay for it." > > Ok so her hobby is abusing animals?? I mean we > aren't talking about people > who cannot afford to have PET cows, if she so chose > and even still what the > heck kind of hobby is raising cows to send them off > to be killed??? > > The only reason why I'm going is cuz my dad isn't in > the best of health, he > hasn't been for many years. He's a vietnam vet, was > a navy seal, and has > seen and done quite a bit of stuff that hasn't been > good on his body. I'm > seriously worried that he won't be around much > longer and I'd hate to have > skipped seeing him only to hear that I'll be seeing > him at his funeral. My > kids have never really met him, and really, he's a > pretty cool guy and I > really want my dad to meet my kids and vice versa. > My sisters are also going > to be there next week and I haven't seen my neice > since she was 2 (she's 6 > now) and I haven't seen my nephew for 2 years. > > But I don't know what to do! I cannot keep my mouth > shut about the future of > these "pets" but I'm afraid it's going to make a > huge issue and ruin the > whole visit. > > What do you all think I should do? Not go? Go and > attempt to educate? (if so > how??) Or just Go and keep my vegan mouth shut? My > parents have always > thought my passion for animals was a bit "odd" so > I'm thinking anything I > try to do will just have them sluffing it off as the > ramblings of a bleeding > heart. > > Any Advice?? > > Talisman > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mommy to Matthew and Sean > Owner mom2boys @ > Have a son?? Come join us!!! > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2001 Report Share Posted December 19, 2001 I'm 30. He does it because he thinks everyone should kill animals for food. And he can't stand it , that I won't. I agree he should mind his own business. I don't tell him he should stop eating meat,and he shouldn't tell me to eat it.It's mental disability, because of medication I'm on,and my family just adds to it...I can't stay on a job.It is only temperarily. I have to live in his home to pay my medical bills.I will be changing schools in about a year,and will live elsewhere. --- Angie Wright wrote: > Why are you on disability ? and why does your > father keep having a go at you every time you > prepare your meal ? He should mind his own business > How old are you ? Do you have to live at home ? It > seems to me that you already have difficulties He > shouldn't add to them !!!! Angie > - > Jessica Guillory > > Tuesday, December 18, 2001 10:32 PM > Re: A Dilema (Kinda > sensitive topic, sorry) > > > HI, I'm quite new to the board, haven't posted > much yet. My family's a little like yours in some > ways. And, I live with them. Something I can't > really control right now. I'm on dissability, and > about to go back to school. So, it's really the only > way I see of making it. My father has an emu farm, > raises dogs, and has a collection of cats. In his > spare time he hunts and fishes. He's a very strong > advocate of the NRA(National Rifle Association). I > usually speak my mind as a vegan, and it always ends > up in a fight that he wins, because I just give up > and shut up. I get cut down every time I pick up a > vegetable, or cook vegan food...which is every meal. > All they eat is rice, gravy, and meat. And it's the > only lifestyle they condone.It's a hard way of life > for any vegan. Very hard to tolerate at times. Most > of my time is spent in pain or anger. I always speak > my mind. I will never not say anything, and never > conform to my families way of life. But, that's just > me. I will also always love my family no matter > what. You shouldn't have to sacrifice your personal > beliefs for your families. But, these are just my > thoughts.It may be a little different, with your > fathers health. Just follow your heart. --- Talisman > wrote: > Ok, so I'm going to my parents ranch in > Texas for a > week on Friday. I've > never been > > there, but I've seen pictures. My parents got a lil > > wacked out after they > hit 55 and > decided to > build a ranch. My parents are from > CHICAGO, and > then after that > they > moved to Scottsdale Az > (very very ritzy area). Ok so > picture the whole > > Beverly > Hillbillies thing, but backwards...that's > my > parents. > > So, Anyways, I've seen pictures. > In the pictures of > their ranch there are a > > couple of > cows. The cows have a HUGE area to > graze, and a barn > they can enter/leave at > their > own will. The cows pretty much do their own > gig. > > > So I asked my mom "What are you going to do with > the > cows? Are they just > like pets or what?" She > replied: "Nothing right now, > but when we get more > we > will sell them off." I kinda freaked out. I > told her > that I think it's > horrible that these > cows are used to huge spaces, > and pretty much > being pets > and then they are going to be sold and > end up in > crates where they will > barely be able > to move. She replied "No, you are > thinking of > veal." I said > "No mom, they do this to all the > cows, dairy cows > included". She said "I > don't > want to talk about this right now, when you > have a > hobby you need to > be able to pay for it." > > Ok > so her hobby is abusing animals?? I mean we > aren't > talking about people > who cannot afford to have PET > cows, if she so chose > and even still what the > > heck kind of hobby is raising cows to send them off > > to be killed??? > > The only reason why I'm going > is cuz my dad isn't in > the best of health, he > > hasn't been for many years. He's a vietnam vet, was > > a navy seal, and has > seen and done quite a bit > of stuff that hasn't been > good on his body. I'm > > seriously worried that he won't be around much > > longer and I'd hate to have > skipped seeing him > only to hear that I'll be seeing > him at his > funeral. My > kids have never really met him, and > really, he's a > pretty cool guy and I > really want > my dad to meet my kids and vice versa. > My sisters > are also going > to be there next week and I haven't > seen my neice > since she was 2 (she's 6 > now) and > I haven't seen my nephew for 2 years. > > But I > don't know what to do! I cannot keep my mouth > shut > about the future of > these "pets" but I'm afraid > it's going to make a > huge issue and ruin the > > whole visit. > > What do you all think I should do? > Not go? Go and > attempt to educate? (if so > how??) > Or just Go and keep my vegan mouth shut? My > > parents have always > thought my passion for animals > was a bit "odd" so > I'm thinking anything I > try > to do will just have them sluffing it off as the > > ramblings of a bleeding > heart. > > Any Advice?? > > > Talisman > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Mommy to > Matthew and Sean > Owner mom2boys @ > > Have a son?? Come join us!!! > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 > ---------- > dmressel[sMTP:dmressel] > > > My personal philosophy is to value animal life, but not over another > human being. .. .. .. I have admiration for the spirit of this sentiment, but I personally DO value an animal's life more highly than a human being's hurt feelings, which is what we're talking about here (as opposed to valuing an animal's life above a human's life - she's not planning to kill her parents to save the cows!). At the same time I don't think that going in with all guns blazing is going to persuade anyone to act ethically. My best suggestion would be to write a long letter to your parents, telling them exactly how you feel and why - maybe include some general AR stuff so that they get an idea of the extent of abuse that they probably know nothing about at the moment. To write the letter in advance means that you'll be able to plan what you want to say and be rational, rather than reacting with hurt and anger as you might during a conversation on the subject. Tell them of your dilemma, how you love them but hate what they're proposing to do, how you are devastated by the thought that those cows are going to suffer so because of their actions and how you have no choice but to act to try to save them. Then go to your parents' place, be gentle, love them and show them that you do. Then, when you're leaving, leave the letter for them to read together without you. The best idea I can come up with. Good luck a million times. Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 If the father was in good health, this would be a totally different scenario. I would say argue till you're blue in the face if you want. Sorry to say, but if the father is in such poor health, we should be taking a very serious attitude about it. Obviously no one is going to kill their parents to save the cows! A last visit is not something you want to muck up. I stand by my earlier comments. Keep quiet with the Dad and work on the Mom later. Writing a letter is a good suggestion. , " Cathy Jupp (BR) " <cjbr@s...> wrote: > > > > ---------- > > dmressel[sMTP:dmressel] > > > > > > My personal philosophy is to value animal life, but not over another > > human being. > . > . > . > I have admiration for the spirit of this sentiment, but I personally DO > value an animal's life more highly than a human being's hurt feelings, which > is what we're talking about here (as opposed to valuing an animal's life > above a human's life - she's not planning to kill her parents to save the > cows!). > > At the same time I don't think that going in with all guns blazing is going > to persuade anyone to act ethically. My best suggestion would be to write a > long letter to your parents, telling them exactly how you feel and why - > maybe include some general AR stuff so that they get an idea of the extent > of abuse that they probably know nothing about at the moment. To write the > letter in advance means that you'll be able to plan what you want to say and > be rational, rather than reacting with hurt and anger as you might during a > conversation on the subject. Tell them of your dilemma, how you love them > but hate what they're proposing to do, how you are devastated by the thought > that those cows are going to suffer so because of their actions and how you > have no choice but to act to try to save them. Then go to your parents' > place, be gentle, love them and show them that you do. Then, when you're > leaving, leave the letter for them to read together without you. > > The best idea I can come up with. Good luck a million times. > > Cathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2001 Report Share Posted December 20, 2001 Jessica you have my sympathy You are stuck between a rock and a hard place ! If you could get away from the bullying your mental health would improve He should not be having a go at you all the time in your fragile state whats the matter with the man is he trying to tip you over the edge? Angie - Jessica Guillory Wednesday, December 19, 2001 10:15 PM Re: A Dilema (Kinda sensitive topic, sorry) I'm 30. He does it because he thinks everyone should kill animals for food. And he can't stand it , that I won't. I agree he should mind his own business. I don't tell him he should stop eating meat,and he shouldn't tell me to eat it.It's mental disability, because of medication I'm on,and my family just adds to it...I can't stay on a job.It is only temperarily. I have to live in his home to pay my medical bills.I will be changing schools in about a year,and will live elsewhere. --- Angie Wright wrote: > Why are you on disability ? and why does your > father keep having a go > > CLICK HERE to search > 600,000 scholarships! > > http://us.click./Pv4pGD/4m7CAA/ySSFAA/PVjolB/TM > > > ---~-> > > > To send an email to > > - > > Your use > of is subject to > > > > > > > > Click to to Charlottecaffey > > > > > > > Check out Shopping and Auctions for > all of your holiday gifts! > To send an email to > - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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