Not Milk - was re: The Spurious Foundation of Genetic Engineering

[Guest guest]

Sounds to me like Mr. Cohen of notmilk.com has lost his credibility.

I saw an article by him go through group a few months

ago - it caused a heated debate on that list. Many people doubted

the truth of this article and wondered whether his motives are less

than pure.

 

I drink Silk all the time and won't stop drinking it because of a

questionable argument like this. Here's a copy of the article:

 

BILKED BY SILK

 

Dear Friends,

 

I am about to blast SILK marketing reps

for being liars and conducting business

in a manner intended to deceive people.

 

White Wave is a company lacking ethics.

I do not like being lied to. I thought

that Monsanto was the enemy, and

White Wave, the good guy riding a

white horse and wearing a white cowboy

hat. Boy, was I mistaken.

 

When the good guys lie, they cease

being good guys. Buy White Wave

products, and you are actually

supporting the dairy industry.

Read on...

 

I have got to exercise extreme care

about what I write for two reasons.

 

First, if I make up something about any

company or industry, I could be doing

them irreparable harm, and a lawsuit

might result. Damages could destroy all

of my work and jeopardize my family.

 

You can just imagine how the dairy industry

would love to silence the Dairy Education

Board. Fact is, tens of thousands of things

have been posted about milk and dairy

products on this website, and I've yet to

be sued.

 

Now to the deceivers who market SILK.

 

On March 26th, I wrote and posted this column:

 

notmilk/message/521

 

JUST FOR THE RECORD

 

On February 15th, I read a press release issued

by America's largest soymilk processor, SILK.

 

The press release claimed that Good Housekeeping

magazine (GH) performed a blind taste test between

Silk Chocolate Soymilk and Hershey's Chocolate Milk,

and that 100% of the people tasting both products

preferred the soymilk. Here is what I wrote on

the 15th of February:

 

" AMAZING TASTE TEST RESULT

 

Independent taste tests conducted by GH

offered consumers blind tasting of both

chocolate-flavored SILK brand soy milk

and Hershey's chocolate milk.

 

One hundred percent of consumers who tasted

both products preferred the chocolate Silk,

according to Vicky Melen (612-375-8541). "

 

After posting that column, I called GH and

was told that no such consumer test was

performed. What did happen was that GH

food scientists performed their own

in-house taste test. They were the ones

who preferred SILK, NOT consumers.

 

MORE DECEIT

 

Should you still be in possession of a container

of SILK, carefully check the carton.

 

At the bottom, in small print, are the letters

DE. Have you ever heard of DE?

 

Neither have I.

 

The presense of those two initials means that

the product has been produced and processed

by Dairy Equipment. That was a new one for me.

Wouldn't you imagine that the SILK people

could have added that information to their

container? White Wave (they own the SILK line)

did over $80 million dollars in business last

year. They've had bovine proteins in their

soymilk on at least one occasion. Will it

happen again?

 

Well, they warned us with their little DE

insignia. Don't say I didn't warn you too!

 

Robert Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

 

 

, " Jo " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> Hi all

>

> I just received this on another list, and found the link very

interesting.

>

> Jo

>

>

> As you may know Robert Cohen of the Not Milk site has recently

claimed that

> Stephen Walsh is not a doctor and made other defamatory remarks.

The Vegan

> society has made a statement on this and the reasons the NotMilk

site has

> been shutdown (its still there, but cannot be changed by Robert

Cohen).

> Robert Cohen had said that the site had been hacked.

>

> http://www.vegsource.com/articles/vegan_society_walsh_cohen.htm

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Is he correct tho' about the machinery used to make the soya milk ?

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" dmressel " <dmressel

 

Wednesday, February 13, 2002 12:14 AM

Not Milk - was re: The Spurious Foundation of Genetic

Engineering

 

 

> Sounds to me like Mr. Cohen of notmilk.com has lost >>

> BILKED BY SILK

>

> Dear Friends,

>

:

>

> notmilk/message/521

>

> JUST FOR THE RECORD

>

> On February 15th, I read a press release issued

> by America's largest soymilk processor, SILK.

>

>>

> " AMAZING TASTE TEST RESULT

>

> Independent taste tests conducted by GH

> offered consumers blind tasting of both

> chocolate-flavored SILK brand soy milk

> and Hershey's chocolate milk.

>

> One hundred percent of consumers who tasted

> both products preferred the chocolate Silk,

> according to Vicky Melen (612-375-8541). "

>

> After posting that column, I called GH and

> was told that no such consumer test was

> performed. What did happen was that GH

> food scientists performed their own

> in-house taste test. They were the ones

> who preferred SILK, NOT consumers.

>

> MORE DECEIT

>

> Should you still be in possession of a container

> of SILK, carefully check the carton.

>

> At the bottom, in small print, are the letters

> DE. Have you ever heard of DE?

>

> Neither have I.

>

> The presense of those two initials means that

> the product has been produced and processed

> by Dairy Equipment. That was a new one for me.

> Wouldn't you imagine that the SILK people

> could have added that information to their

> container? White Wave (they own the SILK line)

> did over $80 million dollars in business last

> year. They've had bovine proteins in their

> soymilk on at least one occasion. Will it

> happen again?

>

> Well, they warned us with their little DE

> insignia. Don't say I didn't warn you too!

>

> Robert Cohen

> http://www.notmilk.com

>

>

> , " Jo " <Heartwork@b...> wrote:

> > Hi all

> >

> > I just received this on another list, and found the link very

> interesting.

> >

> > Jo

> >

> >

> > As you may know Robert Cohen of the Not Milk site has recently

> claimed that

> > Stephen Walsh is not a doctor and made other defamatory remarks.

> The Vegan

> > society has made a statement on this and the reasons the NotMilk

> site has

> > been shutdown (its still there, but cannot be changed by Robert

> Cohen).

> > Robert Cohen had said that the site had been hacked.

> >

> > http://www.vegsource.com/articles/vegan_society_walsh_cohen.htm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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>

[Guest guest]

That is one of the arguments of the raw fooders. And one that I tend

to agree with. The amount of dirty wasteful " industry " needed to

process wheat, soya milk, etc etc...especially on such a huge scale

is gross, yet really we could just walk about butt naked picking

figs and grunting at each other.

 

 

Dr P.C.Talking *grunt*

 

, " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> Is he correct tho' about the machinery used to make the soya milk ?

> Angie

[Guest guest]

I don't mind the fig -eating and the grunting

-----butt I don't want to frighten people !!!!!

Angie

 

 

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" pctalking " <pctalking

 

Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:43 PM

Re: Not Milk - was re: The Spurious Foundation of

Genetic Engineering

 

 

, yet really we could just walk about butt naked picking

> figs and grunting at each other.

>

>

> Dr P.C.Talking *grunt*

>

> , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> > Is he correct tho' about the machinery used to make the soya milk ?

> > Angie

>

>

>

>

>

> To send an email to -

>

>

[Guest guest]

They use the same equipment - as does nearly every other soy milk

producer. The point is this article disparages Silk (white wave)

when the problem is common to nearly any vegan product.

 

The equipment is cleaned of course, but there's always going to be

trace particles of dairy products in every soy milk made with dairy

equipment. This is not exclusive to Silk, and most vegan products

are made on shared equipment with non-vegan products. It's a fact of

life.

 

, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

> could be fun tho

>

> and yes, silk does use the same equipment to mix soy milk and dairy

products...depends on how sticky ya want to to be i guess

> last i heard, silk was looking to replace their equipment

>

>

> " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

>

> >I don't mind the fig -eating and the grunting

> >-----butt I don't want to frighten people !!!!!

> > Angie

> >

> >

> >-

> > " pctalking " <pctalking@h...>

> >

> >Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:43 PM

> > Re: Not Milk - was re: The Spurious

Foundation of

> >Genetic Engineering

> >

> >

> >, yet really we could just walk about butt naked picking

> >> figs and grunting at each other.

> >>

> >>

> >> Dr P.C.Talking *grunt*

> >>

> >> , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

> >> > Is he correct tho' about the machinery used to make the soya

milk ?

> >> > Angie

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> To send an email to -

> >>

> >>

[Guest guest]

unless you find a vegan company that uses their own equipment

 

i've heard of a few, tho, the names of course escape me at the moment

 

 

" dmressel " <dmressel wrote:

 

>They use the same equipment - as does nearly every other soy milk

>producer. The point is this article disparages Silk (white wave)

>when the problem is common to nearly any vegan product.

>

>The equipment is cleaned of course, but there's always going to be

>trace particles of dairy products in every soy milk made with dairy

>equipment. This is not exclusive to Silk, and most vegan products

>are made on shared equipment with non-vegan products. It's a fact of

>life.

>

>, EBbrewpunx@c... wrote:

>> could be fun tho

>>

>> and yes, silk does use the same equipment to mix soy milk and dairy

>products...depends on how sticky ya want to to be i guess

>> last i heard, silk was looking to replace their equipment

>>

>>

>> " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

>>

>> >I don't mind the fig -eating and the grunting

>> >-----butt I don't want to frighten people !!!!!

>> > Angie

>> >

>> >

>> >-

>> > " pctalking " <pctalking@h...>

>> >

>> >Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:43 PM

>> > Re: Not Milk - was re: The Spurious

>Foundation of

>> >Genetic Engineering

>> >

>> >

>> >, yet really we could just walk about butt naked picking

>> >> figs and grunting at each other.

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Dr P.C.Talking *grunt*

>> >>

>> >> , " Angie Wright " <angiewright@n...> wrote:

>> >> > Is he correct tho' about the machinery used to make the soya

>milk ?

>> >> > Angie

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> To send an email to -

>> >>

>> >>

[Guest guest]

Hey! Stop spying on me at work!

 

Cheers

 

Viv

 

 

 

pctalking [pctalking]

Wednesday, February 13, 2002 2:44 PM

 

Re: Not Milk - was re: The Spurious Foundation of

Genetic Engineering

 

 

That is one of the arguments of the raw fooders. And one that I tend

to agree with. The amount of dirty wasteful " industry " needed to

process wheat, soya milk, etc etc...especially on such a huge scale

is gross, yet really we could just walk about butt naked picking

figs and grunting at each other.

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info I had never considered this

Will plamil be the only one that doesn't then ? It is a vegan company

(those in US probably won't have heard of it ) Do the others all have DE

written on them to show the dairy connection ?

Angie

 

-

" dmressel " <dmressel

 

Wednesday, February 13, 2002 6:17 PM

Re: Not Milk - was re: The Spurious Foundation of

Genetic Engineering

 

 

> They use the same equipment - as does nearly every other soy milk

> producer. The point is this article disparages Silk (white wave)

> when the problem is common to nearly any vegan product.

>

>/

> > >>

> > >>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >To send an email to -

> > >

> > >

[Guest guest]

, " dmressel " <dmressel> wrote:

 

> I drink Silk all the time and won't stop drinking it because of a

> questionable argument like this. Here's a copy of the article:

 

yeah,the article you sent didn't give me reason enough to boycott

Silk...HOWEVER,the fact that 1. There is often dairy found in their

product, 2. They were just bought by one of the largest dairy

companies, and 3. They buy their cocoa from slave labor companies.

I completely boycott Silk. Shame,too,it used to be my favorite

soymilk.

 

Chris X

[Guest guest]

>yet really we could just walk about butt naked picking

> figs and grunting at each other.

 

I thought that was the norm.

 

Jo

 

 

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[Guest guest]

As far as I know Plamil are a purely vegan company, so their products would

not be contaminated.

 

Jo

 

> They use the same equipment - as does nearly every other soy milk

> producer. The point is this article disparages Silk (white wave)

> when the problem is common to nearly any vegan product.

 

 

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