Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 jesus lived of course, he was probably a zealot or essene..or maybe even really king of the jews...but, hey, that's neither here nor there...folks believe in all sorts of things.... " Angie Wright " <angiewright wrote: >I wish god/jesus would get his act together and sort them out now . But of course he won't because imo he's just a figment of someones imagination > >Angie > - > Simon pJones > > Wednesday, March 06, 2002 10:45 AM > christianity > > > Angie, > If your talking about catholicism and all the churches that follow it deceptions,It's not surprising that the world is in the state it is, The vatican has used Christianity to disguise it's sun- worshipping teachings, which it has done to steer people away from the truth, The first thing it did was change the Sabbath- day to the sun- worshipping day, Sunday, > Without going on to much, Jesus is quoted as never rebuking anyone who admitted they did thing wrong and wanted to turn from doing wrong,only those who pretended to be righteous and misled people,I think if Jesus was alive to-day he would go into the churches and point out to the priests and the so called leaders, their deceptions like he did in the days of his earthly life! > ps I think the priests and church leaders are misled themselves, > simon, > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 > Yup ... this is why the 7th day adventists are vegan. Go them. Just to point out, 7th Day Adventists aren't vegan, they are vegetarian. According to my friend who is an Adventist and whose mother is a minister, or whatever the adventists call clergy, The vegetarianism has nothing to do with the Biblical rules, it is a " health code " that it suggested to those who practice Adventism. You do *not* have to be a vegetarian to be an Adventist, but they strongly suggest it due to it being a healthier lifestyle. This is also why " orthodox " Adventists don't own TV's, don't go to the movie's and don't smoke/drink. Talisman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Of course its all gods fault He /she/it has a lot of explaining to do!!! - Peter Monday, March 04, 2002 5:31 PM Re: christianity Hi Simon Just one question.... > Also remembering we were made imperfect ,because if we weren't we would have been able to resist wrong doing So, what you're saying is that there is no such thing as personal responsibility - it's all God's fault? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 christianity was horribly fractured when it first started out...but, only the group later to be called catholic actually cared, arians and coptics and such could have cared less ...... that was winnowed away rather quickly tho, as the church in rome pushed itself as the Catholic church(one, only), and punished all other scions as heretical...at one point, i guess around 600AD, arianism was much more prevalent then wot became known as catholicism... fraggle Dr Ian McDonald <ian wrote: > > >> Peter wrote: >> >> 2 more points - firstly, at this period in the history of >> Christianity, there was only one " church " - as a Christian you were >> either a follower of the church, or a heretic - the splits didn't >> start to appear in the factions until a long time after this. >> Secondly, Sun worship pre-dates Christianity by several millenia for >> one very obvious reason - the sun is what gives us life on a daily >> basis! >> > >Are you sure? Arianism and Athanasianism was just one of the many splits >of the time, I thought? Christianity was so fragmented in its first >millenium that Islam was, for its first few decades, thought of as a >denomination of Christianity. > >-- >Ian McDonald > >http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 i wasn't made..i was a budding from a hop plant...... " Simon pJones " <simonpjones wrote: >Peter, >We weren't made perfect, but maybe we were made to become perfect, but have failed miserably so far, >Simon > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 " Jehovah, i'm home! " " oh St Peter, i caused a plague in egypt again! " " jehovah! you got some 'splainin' to do! " " waaaah! " *rofl* " Angie Wright " <angiewright wrote: >Of course its all gods fault He /she/it has a lot of explaining to do!!! > >Angie > - > Peter > > Monday, March 04, 2002 5:31 PM > Re: christianity > > > Hi Simon > > Just one question.... > > > Also remembering we were made imperfect ,because if we weren't we would have been able to resist wrong doing > > So, what you're saying is that there is no such thing as personal responsibility - it's all God's fault? > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Hi Simon > One of the reasons I go with Christianity more than other beliefs is it's advocation of one almighty power that created this > existence with the purpose of everything that has the breath of life in it, to have a relationship with it which is based on love, > When there are many gods it does create confusion I don't see that - there are many people, but that isn't particularly confusing! :-) > The trouble I have with a male/female God is how do you relate to that, neither male or female might be a better belief, A spirit of > love as a spirit is neither male or female, I believe Bibles should refer to God as God not he, Maybe a translation could be printed > like that! I agree with you there - I see divinity as not having gender. I go with the theory that "man made God in his own image"! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Hi Ian > Are you sure? Arianism and Athanasianism was just one of the many splits > of the time, I thought? Christianity was so fragmented in its first > millenium that Islam was, for its first few decades, thought of as a > denomination of Christianity. Because the " church " wasn't particularly powerful, they couldn't do much about Christians who didn't agree with the official view - so to that extent there was a wide variety of beliefs - but even so, there was " official " doctrine and heresy! And yes, Arianism was only one of the recognised / named heresies. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Hi Simon > The only point I will dispute with you, is the sun-worship,although Christianity has nothing to do with sun-worship,Constantine's > leadership in the 4th century corrupted Christianity by underlining it with sun-worship, first of all by changing the Sabbath -day to > the Pagan sun-worshipping day and by bring in statues and idols to worship ,in St Peters in Rome, there is a statue of Mary > lovingly holding, not baby Jesus in her arms but the sun with a face on it, there is much more evidents of the vaticans, any thing > else but Christian beliefs< I think you're misinterpreting a lot of Catholicism here. Yes, there are aspects drawn from ancient sun-worshipping religions in Christianity (I mean, December 25th - rebirth of the sun / son????), but this does not mean that Catholics have any sun worship - it is the outer imagery only. The church (as with every religion) borrowed hugely from other religions to encourage conversion - it's why most churches are built on ancient sacred sites, and why they all face East. Problem is, the people who built the churches didn't know the real reason they face east. It's interesting you pick on "sun worship", but completely ignore the other pre-Chrisitian aspects, such as the adoption of Mary to placate Goddess worshippers (with the inclusion of Lady chapels, etc.) It is also interesting that John Toland, who *was* a sun worshipping Christian also despised the Catholic church for it's abuse of the "true" teachings. If there had been any sun worship, he'd have hardly criticised the church in this way! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Hi Simon > We weren't made perfect, but maybe we were made to become perfect, but have failed miserably so far, Interesting thought - but isn't it still a removal of personal responsibility, no matter how it's phrased? Fundamentally it comes down to the belief that because something "greater" made us the way we are, we can't help doing bad things. In my mind that leads on to a "why bother trying to improve" attitude. Probably just as well I don't believe in a "higher power" :-) BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Hi Fraggle > jesus lived Y'know, it's always dangerous to make comments like this with me around :-) There is some dispute about that statement! > of course, he was probably a zealot or essene..or maybe even really king of the jews > ...but, hey, that's neither here nor there...folks believe in all sorts of things.... I tend to think (if he existed) he was an Essene initiate who wasn't accepted as a permanent member of the community. Now, John the Baptist was almost certainly originally an Essene who had moved away from the exclusive nature of Essenism, so it's possible that Jesus' Essene influence comes from him. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 ....also, do you mean that if you weren't frightened of going to Hell, you might just murder someone, or commit one of the other sins? Jo Just one question.... > Also remembering we were made imperfect ,because if we weren't we would have been able to resist wrong doing So, what you're saying is that there is no such thing as personal responsibility - it's all God's fault? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2002 Report Share Posted March 6, 2002 Fraggle >>>> why do you have to believe any " other worldly being " had to create anything? > why can't we be happy that it is here, and not squander it? > not knockin whether you believe in an old white bearded guy, some omnipotent face in heaven, a guy with furry pants and horns, a fat smiling fellow, or wotever..i just never have figured out why folks put sooooo much in having to believe that there is a " divine " plan , or someone is up there, or over there, or hanging out in some grove > its like folks need to believe something bigger is out there... >>>> isn't the world, our lifes, the universe in all its intricacies enough?? > just asking Indeed it is. Incidentally, that's why I like 'hanging out in groves'. It is so beautiful to be amongst the trees, with the Moon shining through, feeling the air on your face, listening to the owls, foxes and deer, smelling the damp earth, etc. etc. ... why am I sitting at this computer? Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.324 / Virus Database: 181 - Release 14/02/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Simon, read your bible again ... for it says "... let us create man in our image." Now tell me who is the "us" in that line from the bible? Clearly, there is more than one god, but people and the church tried to change the original bible to fit the political needs of the day. Even the gods had wars amongst themselves ... always trying to gain more for themselves and you wonder why we are always at war with each other. By the way, our so called bible is nothing but a short version of the older Sumerian texts ... copied almost verbatim. In Health ... Werner. - Simon pJones Wednesday, March 06, 2002 8:23 AM Christianity One of the reasons I go with Christianity more than other beliefs is it's advocation of one almighty power that created this existence with the purpose of everything that has the breath of life in it, to have a relationship with it which is based on love, When there are many gods it does create confusion, The trouble I have with a male/female God is how do you relate to that, neither male or female might be a better belief, A spirit of love as a spirit is neither male or female, I believe Bibles should refer to God as God not he, Maybe a translation could be printed like that! Sp, To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Questions to ask christians When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this? I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as it suggests in Exodus21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense. Lev. 25:44 states that I may buy slaves from the nations that are around us.A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans but not Canadians. Can you clarify? I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself? A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination(Lev. 10:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Lev. 20:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Chris X Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2002 Report Share Posted March 7, 2002 Peter, We weren't made perfect, but maybe we were made to become perfect, but have failed miserably so far, Simon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2002 Report Share Posted March 9, 2002 hey chris, aren't there like ten more " points " in this thing? i remember it being longer fraggle In a message dated 3/7/02 12:23:49 AM Pacific Standard Time, XBobaFettX writes: << Questions to ask christians When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind him that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. How should I deal with this? >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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