Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Hi Peter, yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit .... To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM Re: Opinions Hi Werner > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period. Except, apparently, honey? ;-) Or have they changed the way that's produced recently? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Werner - what is an insect if not an animal? It is not a plant. It does have a face, stomach, reproductive organs, respiratory system - much the same as other animals. Some people consider that fish are okay for veggies to eat. They seem to think they are not animals! Jo ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat honey! P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might consider not using it! Janey Hi Peter, yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit .... To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM Re: Opinions Hi Werner > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period. Except, apparently, honey? ;-) Or have they changed the way that's produced recently? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Haha! I've just sent a message about this after reading Peter's post -- but I still had unread mails. Anyway, we agree on this Jo -- sorry I didn't read your mail first! LOL! Janey x - Jo Saturday, April 20, 2002 3:07 PM Re: Re: Opinions Werner - what is an insect if not an animal? It is not a plant. It does have a face, stomach, reproductive organs, respiratory system - much the same as other animals. Some people consider that fish are okay for veggies to eat. They seem to think they are not animals! Jo ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 In a message dated 4/20/02 1:29:00 PM Pacific Daylight Time, veganmunkee writes: << why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat honey.... it's his body, his choice... casey >> i'm not bitter, i'm sweeeeeeet hahahahah but, honey tain't vegan, sooooo come winter time, ol mr beekeeper(or miss, lets not be sexist..) lets a good portion of his bees starve, cuz, otherwise, they'd use up all that precious honey...as long as queenie is alive, and a few workers, hey, they can start again come spring now, have i entirely removed it from my diet...probably not...but...we is all trying the best we can... *shrug* and, the his body comment, hmmm..on that not, i'm gonna go eat some lil kids, its my body and all..i wonder if they squirm ..... *evil smile* fraggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat honey.... it's his body, his choice... casey > " Janey " <janey > > >Re: Re: Opinions >Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:18:00 +0100 > >What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are >living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat >honey! > >P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail >package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might >consider not using it! > >Janey > > > Hi Peter, > yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But >I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even >heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit .... > To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate. > Werner. > > ---- > > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM > > Re: Opinions > > Hi Werner > > > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period. > > Except, apparently, honey? ;-) > > Or have they changed the way that's produced recently? > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 > > To send an email to >- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 >why is everyone so bitter??Because we're vegans? I had to laugh - that was my very first thought!!! Seems we vegans like to hone those debate techniques don't we - always gotta be prepared for those dingy mainstreamers comments - hahahaha!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 >why is everyone so bitter?? Because we're vegans? >geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat >honey.... Can he be a vegan and eat cows too? Or pigs? Or turkey? Or sheep? Or goats? Or rabbits? Or chickens...? Well you get the gist. >it's his body No, it's the bees body (many are killed in commercial honey manufacture). >his choice... No, he doesn't get to decide what behavior is vegan, that comes from the society of language users and they consider honey not vegan. He can eat honey or be a vegan, not both. And as this is a vegan list I think everyone has the right to be bitter. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 >>why is everyone so bitter?? I'm a vegan and I'm not bitter. Maybe everyone else is just doing it wrong... ;)p _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 That's true Michael. I don't think anyone (this is not directed at Werner!) can claim to be vegan *but* eat meat/dairy/honey etc. There are always people who make exceptions but still call themselves vegan. Like I said earlier, I get equally annoyed when people claim to be vegetarian but eat fish or *a little chicken*. I saw Gaby Roslin on *Celebrity Ready Steady Cook* once and she said she was a vegetarian. I became interested in the programme until she then said she ate fish!!!!!! I could have screamed! She said that on national tv so probably anyone who didn't eat meat but just ate fish (as a lot of people do as a preference), must have thought *hey, I must be vegetarian too*! You can't compromise. Either you are a vegan or not. There's no room for *buts*. If you eat living creatures, then you're not! Janey x > No, he doesn't get to decide what behavior is vegan, that comes from the > society of language users and they consider honey not vegan. > > He can eat honey or be a vegan, not both. And as this is a vegan list I > think everyone has the right to be bitter. > > Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Casey > why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat > honey.... it's his body, his choice... but he is calling himself a vegan. Vegans do not eat honey. It looks bad for real vegans. Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Janey, you are missing something in this argument. No, I don't eat birds or fish and neither do I eat bees, only their vomit. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:18:13 AM Re: Re: Opinions What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat honey! P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might consider not using it! Janey Hi Peter, yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit .... To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM Re: Opinions Hi Werner > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period. Except, apparently, honey? ;-) Or have they changed the way that's produced recently? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 About time somebody sees the light. I basically eat whatever keeps me alive ... as in no salt, no fat, no refined sugar and no grains. And I don't call myself anything ... I just eat for my health ... period. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 03:28:56 PM Re: Re: Opinions why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat honey.... it's his body, his choice...casey>"Janey" <janey> >>Re: Re: Opinions>Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:18:00 +0100>>What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are >living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat >honey!>>P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail >package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might >consider not using it!>>Janey>>> Hi Peter,> yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But >I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even >heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit ....> To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate.> Werner.>> ---->> > Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM> > Re: Opinions>> Hi Werner>> > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period.>> Except, apparently, honey? ;-)>> Or have they changed the way that's produced recently?>> BB> Peter>>> ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02>> To send an email to >- >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 last time before I go to bed... I do not call myself a vegan ... why would I. If I did ... that was a mistake or error on my part. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 05:50:29 PM Re: Re: Opinions Casey> why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let himeat> honey.... it's his body, his choice...but he is calling himself a vegan. Vegans do not eat honey. It looks badfor real vegans.Jo---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 <I've been vegan for about 7 years now and the last two years, I was 100% raw eating only fruits and vegies. But now-a-days, I eat some cooked vegies. I love baked potatoes. I eat no sugar, salt, fat or grains ... only fruits and vegies. I will eat raw honey...> Werner Hi Werner, well in your above post you said you were both vegan and eat honey. You actually said you were *vegan* (!!!) but now you're saying you're not???! And as well as saying you're a vegan, you also post on a vegan list, so it would be natural for us to assume therefore, that eating honey is not in accordance with your *vegan* diet! We're only answering on the information you gave us. Janey x - Werner Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:00 AM Re: Re: Opinions About time somebody sees the light. I basically eat whatever keeps me alive ... as in no salt, no fat, no refined sugar and no grains. And I don't call myself anything ... I just eat for my health ... period. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 03:28:56 PM Re: Re: Opinions why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat honey.... it's his body, his choice...casey>"Janey" <janey> >>Re: Re: Opinions>Sat, 20 Apr 2002 17:18:00 +0100>>What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are >living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat >honey!>>P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail >package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might >consider not using it!>>Janey>>> Hi Peter,> yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But >I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even >heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit ....> To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate.> Werner.>> ---->> > Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM> > Re: Opinions>> Hi Werner>> > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period.>> Except, apparently, honey? ;-)>> Or have they changed the way that's produced recently?>> BB> Peter>>> ---> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).> Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02>> To send an email to >- >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Yes, you did call yourself a vegan. Also you post on a vegan list ... so it was only natural that we all reacted when you said you ate honey. We were just commenting on what you said Werner. Janey x - Werner Sunday, April 21, 2002 12:08 AM Re: Re: Opinions last time before I go to bed... I do not call myself a vegan ... why would I. If I did ... that was a mistake or error on my part. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 05:50:29 PM Re: Re: Opinions Casey> why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let himeat> honey.... it's his body, his choice...but he is calling himself a vegan. Vegans do not eat honey. It looks badfor real vegans.Jo---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 No Werner, I'm not missing anything in the argument, I think you are. Do you eat eggs??? They come from chickens. Same difference. Janey x Janey, you are missing something in this argument. No, I don't eat birds or fish and neither do I eat bees, only their vomit. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:18:13 AM Re: Re: Opinions What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat honey! P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might consider not using it! Janey Hi Peter, yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit .... To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM Re: Opinions Hi Werner > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period. Except, apparently, honey? ;-) Or have they changed the way that's produced recently? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Exactly! You can't distinguish between living creatures. Some people bragg to me that they *only eat chicken*. And I think *so what*?! Why is it okay to eat chicken, but not pigs or poultry??? Why do chickens deserve to die?! The same thing is happening here - Werner thinks its okay to eat bee vomit, so why doesn't he drink cow's milk or eat chicken's eggs? I just don't see the difference. Janey x > So, what's the difference between 'bee vomit' and 'cow milk' then? > They're both products made by the animal (only difference is in type > of " nutrient " ). Bees make honey for a purpose (storage for winter), > as cows do with milk (feeding offspring)... And in terms of it being > part of the agri-business industry, there can be just as much harm > done to bees than to cows in the production process. > > JLB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Werner To produce honey the queen bee has her wings clipped so she cannot fly off and make a hive somewhere else. The nutrient rich baby food (honey) is then stolen and nutrient free sugar water is substituted for the babies to eat. I don't think this is a fair thing to do to an animal. I also think that it is responsible for the escalating death toll of bees. How can they survive if they are constantly under nourished. Jo Janey, you are missing something in this argument. No, I don't eat birds or fish and neither do I eat bees, only their vomit. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:18:13 AM Re: Re: Opinions What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat honey! P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might consider not using it! Janey Hi Peter, yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit .... To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM Re: Opinions Hi Werner > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period. Except, apparently, honey? ;-) Or have they changed the way that's produced recently? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 ....but you did on several occasions. I do not call myself a vegan ... why would I. If I did ... that was a mistake or error on my part. Werner. To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 well i've read on a lot of vegan sites that basically honey is and isn't vegan to each person.....i personally see it your way...that a TRUE vegan will not eat honey..i don't eat honey... but...i don't think that he should not be able to call himself vegan if he eat's honey ...that my own opinion...sorry to cause an argument... casey >Mavreela <nec.lists > > >Re: Re: Opinions >Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:52:26 +0100 > > > >why is everyone so bitter?? > >Because we're vegans? > > >geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat > >honey.... > >Can he be a vegan and eat cows too? Or pigs? Or turkey? Or sheep? Or >goats? Or rabbits? Or chickens...? Well you get the gist. > > >it's his body > >No, it's the bees body (many are killed in commercial honey manufacture). > > >his choice... > >No, he doesn't get to decide what behavior is vegan, that comes from the >society of language users and they consider honey not vegan. > >He can eat honey or be a vegan, not both. And as this is a vegan list I >think everyone has the right to be bitter. > >Michael > _______________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 > " Jo " <Heartwork > > >Re: Re: Opinions >Sat, 20 Apr 2002 23:46:29 +0100 > >Casey > > > why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him >eat > > honey.... it's his body, his choice... > >but he is calling himself a vegan. Vegans do not eat honey. It looks bad >for real vegans. > >Jo > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 > i know i understand.... a lot of people look at me weird when i give a list of things i will never eat and honey is the last one usually...they go..what's wrong with honey? and i say...i just don't believe it's right...so i'm on the same page as all of you...i dunno... it's just like i said in a message i just posted...i've read on numerous sites that some do and some don't consider honey to be vegan..i believe honey should not be eaten by me (a vegan)... that's my choice..i understand everyones debates... casey _______________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 > " Werner " <mejda6 > > >Re: Re: Opinions >Sat, 20 Apr 2002 18:08:23 -0500 (Central Daylight Time) > >last time before I go to bed... >I do not call myself a vegan ... why would I. If I did ... that was a >mistake or error on my part. >Werner. > >---- > > >Saturday, April 20, 2002 05:50:29 PM > >Re: Re: Opinions > >Casey > > > why is everyone so bitter?? geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him >eat > > honey.... it's his body, his choice... > >but he is calling himself a vegan. Vegans do not eat honey. It looks bad >for real vegans. > >Jo > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hey! I actually *didn't* know the queens wings were clipped. I am so impressed, Jo. I usually have more bug-related knowledge in my noggin than any non-entomologist-type-human needs to know... And once again, Jo (I really need to start reading all the posts before I start spouting off) I apologize for being a copy cat. --jojo - Jo Sunday, April 21, 2002 2:44 AM Re: Re: Opinions Werner To produce honey the queen bee has her wings clipped so she cannot fly off and make a hive somewhere else. The nutrient rich baby food (honey) is then stolen and nutrient free sugar water is substituted for the babies to eat. I don't think this is a fair thing to do to an animal. I also think that it is responsible for the escalating death toll of bees. How can they survive if they are constantly under nourished. Jo Janey, you are missing something in this argument. No, I don't eat birds or fish and neither do I eat bees, only their vomit. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:18:13 AM Re: Re: Opinions What's with this *animal* word? Do you eat birds and fish then? Bees are living creatures and they are exploited for their honey. Vegans don't eat honey! P.S. I did try to snip this e-mail before sending it, but Werner's e-mail package won't allow me to do this. Another reason Werner why you might consider not using it! Janey Hi Peter, yes ... I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? I've even heard honey being labeled as bee spit or vomit .... To me, it is just a concentrated carbohydrate. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 06:52:29 AM Re: Opinions Hi Werner > vegan is a person that consumes no animal products .... period. Except, apparently, honey? ;-) Or have they changed the way that's produced recently? BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Casey I think he shouldn't call himself vegan if he eats honey because if he does restaurants will expect to be able to include honey in vegan meals. Then when a real vegan goes along for a meal he might end up being given a meal containing honey. Jo -- " All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. " - Arthur Schopenhauer - " casey thompson " <veganmunkee Sunday, April 21, 2002 11:51 PM Re: Re: Opinions > well i've read on a lot of vegan sites that basically honey is and isn't > vegan to each person.....i personally see it your way...that a TRUE vegan > will not eat honey..i don't eat honey... but...i don't think that he should > not be able to call himself vegan if he eat's honey ...that my own > opinion...sorry to cause an argument... > > casey > > > >Mavreela <nec.lists > > > > > >Re: Re: Opinions > >Sat, 20 Apr 2002 21:52:26 +0100 > > > > > > >why is everyone so bitter?? > > > >Because we're vegans? > > > > >geez...if werner wants to eat honey let him eat > > >honey.... > > > >Can he be a vegan and eat cows too? Or pigs? Or turkey? Or sheep? Or > >goats? Or rabbits? Or chickens...? Well you get the gist. > > > > >it's his body > > > >No, it's the bees body (many are killed in commercial honey manufacture). > > > > >his choice... > > > >No, he doesn't get to decide what behavior is vegan, that comes from the > >society of language users and they consider honey not vegan. > > > >He can eat honey or be a vegan, not both. And as this is a vegan list I > >think everyone has the right to be bitter. > > > >Michael > > > > > > > _______________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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