Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Hi Werner > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? You can't just re-define words in the English language because you want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as "organized being endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion" (Concise OED). You can no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because Bees are animals. Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it doesn't work that way. The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that all vegans are OK eating honey. Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop calling yourself vegan! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 HOORAY!!!!!!!!!! Thanks Peter. Its true that people who claim to be vegan but eat honey give us true vegans a bad name. Its just as annoying as vegetarians who eat fish. They are not vegetarian! Janey x - Peter Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:23 PM Honey??? Hi Werner > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? You can't just re-define words in the English language because you want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as "organized being endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion" (Concise OED). You can no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because Bees are animals. Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it doesn't work that way. The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that all vegans are OK eating honey. Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop calling yourself vegan! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 > Peter wrote: > > Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are > actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - > it doesn't work that way. Or - and this I have heard - that fish is not really an animal. (Oh, many a time I have enjoyed a pleasant country walk through fields of *fish*, I don't think.) > The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, and > then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for > the true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now > believe that all vegans are OK eating honey. > > Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop calling > yourself vegan! Seconded. As far as I know, there isn't a word for an almost-vegan who makes exceptions for, say, eggs kept from well-treated pet ducks. (Or farm sanctuary wool, except that vegan is defined by diet so someone could theoretically wear leather and still be vegan.) I think there needs to be a word for it, so that people who do that can describe themselves without making life harder for us. I wouldn't say that honey-eating vegans give vegans a bad name, because the case against beekeeping isn't IMHO quite as overwhelming as the case against eating cow's milk, and the hypocrisy isn't quite as obvious. When I told a then colleague I was vegan, she asked whether I took honey, for that was the mark of a " real " vegan. (She lives in a big flatshare with a couple of them.) It's much easier to take the biscuit out of people who eat dead animals and claim to be vegetarian. They do muddy the waters, which is a pain in the you know where. So they shouldn't call themselves vegans. How about this: " vegarian " ? Phonetically, midway between " vegan " and " vegetarian " . > BB > Peter -- Ian McDonald http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 Ian I think as vegans are 'strict vegetarian' maybe honey eating vegans should call themselves 'fairly strict vegetarians' - just a thought. Jo > As far as I know, there isn't a word for an almost-vegan who makes > exceptions for, say, eggs kept from well-treated pet ducks. (Or farm > sanctuary wool, except that vegan is defined by diet so someone could > theoretically wear leather and still be vegan.) I think there needs to > be a word for it, so that people who do that can describe themselves > without making life harder for us. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 20, 2002 Report Share Posted April 20, 2002 According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect ... not an animal. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM Honey??? Hi Werner > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? You can't just re-define words in the English language because you want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as "organized being endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion" (Concise OED). You can no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because Bees are animals. Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it doesn't work that way. The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that all vegans are OK eating honey. Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop calling yourself vegan! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Hi Werner, I've copied below what Jo said about insects. They are living creatures after all EVEN THOUGH a dictionary (!!!) doesn't describe them as an animal! LOL! I've never heard of insect eating vegans, have you?! Janey x what is an insect if not an animal? It is not a plant. It does have a face, stomach, reproductive organs, respiratory system - much the same as other animals. Some people consider that fish are okay for veggies to eat. They seem to think they are not animals! Jo According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect ... not an animal. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM Honey??? Hi Werner > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? You can't just re-define words in the English language because you want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as "organized being endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion" (Concise OED). You can no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because Bees are animals. Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it doesn't work that way. The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that all vegans are OK eating honey. Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop calling yourself vegan! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Oh come on Werner - admit when you are wrong! I understand that the chocolate covered locusts and ants are pretty good, do you eat those as well:? Jo According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect ... not an animal. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM Honey??? Hi Werner > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? You can't just re-define words in the English language because you want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as "organized being endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion" (Concise OED). You can no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because Bees are animals. Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it doesn't work that way. The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that all vegans are OK eating honey. Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop calling yourself vegan! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Werner Look up the word "Insect". According to your own beloved Websters, it is "any of numerous small invertebrate *****animals*****" You can't just ignore this very simple fact or redifine the language. BTW, any chance you could do something about your e-mail programme, as a lot of people (myself included) can not snip anything out! Peter - Werner Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:55 PM Re: Honey??? According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect ... not an animal. Werner. ---- Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM Honey??? Hi Werner > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? You can't just re-define words in the English language because you want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as "organized being endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion" (Concise OED). You can no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because Bees are animals. Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it doesn't work that way. The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that all vegans are OK eating honey. Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop calling yourself vegan! BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 21, 2002 Report Share Posted April 21, 2002 Hi Janey I think that the dictionary states that the bee is an insect - which is correct. It doesn't state that an insect ~isn't~ an animal! If you go on to check 'insect' in the dictionary it states that an insect is an animal. Which is what we all knew anyway, isn't it? Jo I've copied below what Jo said about insects. They are living creatures after all EVEN THOUGH a dictionary (!!!) doesn't describe them as an animal! LOL! I've never heard of insect eating vegans, have you?! ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 i do believe he admitted he was wrong for calling himself vegan.... this is getting soo crazy...vegans are very defensive.... i'm not so defensive... lol...wow.. casey > " Jo " <Heartwork > > >Re: Honey??? >Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:13:01 +0100 > >Oh come on Werner - admit when you are wrong! > >I understand that the chocolate covered locusts and ants are pretty good, >do you eat those as well:? > >Jo > > > According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect ... >not an animal. > Werner. > > ---- > > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM > > Honey??? > > Hi Werner > > > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I >always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? > > You can't just re-define words in the English language because you >want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as " organized being >endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion " (Concise OED). You can >no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because >Bees are animals. > > Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are >actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it >doesn't work that way. > > The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, >and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the >true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that >all vegans are OK eating honey. > > Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop >calling yourself vegan! > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 > > > To send an email to >- > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 thanks...lol...and yeah i agree..all the way... casey as for me... i'll feed and taking care of 5 ferrets, 3 guinea pigs and a fish...lol... i think i'm helping animals lives a little bit LOL casey > " jojo " <tofujojo > > >Re: Honey??? >Sun, 21 Apr 2002 19:25:56 -0700 > >Casey, you are *so* cute . > > I see everybody's point of view, too. I just think the more >vegans/vegetarians there are, the better. And for everyone else, if that's >not important to them, than I hope that something else is (e.g. feeding the >hungry, building libraries, habitat-for-humanity, etc...) For all our >sakes. It *is* frustrating when people are confused by what vegetarianism >or veganism actually is. And it *is* frustrating when people claim to be >something when they are not. But there are far worse things to get upset >about... > >--jojo > >- > " casey thompson " <veganmunkee > >Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:09 PM >Re: Honey??? > > > > i do believe he admitted he was wrong for calling himself vegan.... this >is > > getting soo crazy...vegans are very defensive.... i'm not so >defensive... > > lol...wow.. > > casey > > > > > > > " Jo " <Heartwork > > > > > > > > >Re: Honey??? > > >Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:13:01 +0100 > > > > > >Oh come on Werner - admit when you are wrong! > > > > > >I understand that the chocolate covered locusts and ants are pretty >good, > > >do you eat those as well:? > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect >... > > >not an animal. > > > Werner. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM > > > > > > Honey??? > > > > > > Hi Werner > > > > > > > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I > > >always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? > > > > > > You can't just re-define words in the English language because >you > > >want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as " organized being > > >endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion " (Concise OED). You >can > > >no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan >because > > >Bees are animals. > > > > > > Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are > > >actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - >it > > >doesn't work that way. > > > > > > The problem is that because you are defining yourself as >vegan, > > >and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for >the > > >true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe >that > > >all vegans are OK eating honey. > > > > > > Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop > > >calling yourself vegan! > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: >06/03/02 > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > >- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Casey, you are *so* cute . I see everybody's point of view, too. I just think the more vegans/vegetarians there are, the better. And for everyone else, if that's not important to them, than I hope that something else is (e.g. feeding the hungry, building libraries, habitat-for-humanity, etc...) For all our sakes. It *is* frustrating when people are confused by what vegetarianism or veganism actually is. And it *is* frustrating when people claim to be something when they are not. But there are far worse things to get upset about... --jojo - " casey thompson " <veganmunkee Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:09 PM Re: Honey??? > i do believe he admitted he was wrong for calling himself vegan.... this is > getting soo crazy...vegans are very defensive.... i'm not so defensive... > lol...wow.. > casey > > > > " Jo " <Heartwork > > > > > >Re: Honey??? > >Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:13:01 +0100 > > > >Oh come on Werner - admit when you are wrong! > > > >I understand that the chocolate covered locusts and ants are pretty good, > >do you eat those as well:? > > > >Jo > > > > > > According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect .... > >not an animal. > > Werner. > > > > ---- > > > > > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM > > > > Honey??? > > > > Hi Werner > > > > > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I > >always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? > > > > You can't just re-define words in the English language because you > >want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as " organized being > >endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion " (Concise OED). You can > >no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan because > >Bees are animals. > > > > Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are > >actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it > >doesn't work that way. > > > > The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, > >and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for the > >true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe that > >all vegans are OK eating honey. > > > > Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop > >calling yourself vegan! > > > > BB > > Peter > > > > > > --- > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release 06/03/02 > > > > > > To send an email to > >- > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 we had a ferret named chloe...she was a lil terror...she liked to hide things in the couch..... alas, an ex runned off with her.... oh well...story of me life its ok, ferrets are illegal to keep in california anyways....so, i'm not a villianous lawbreaker anymore, well, at least on that account *innocent smile* soon, soon, i will build a pond in my postage size backyard, and there will be fish, glorious fish, and hopefully it will attract froggies and other amphibians...if only i can keep the neighborhood bully raccoons away... fraggle *el presidente grande(in waiting)* " jojo " <tofujojo wrote: > > - > casey thompson > > Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:03 PM > Re: Honey??? > > > > thanks...lol...and yeah i agree..all the way... > > casey > > as for me... i'll feed and taking care of 5 ferrets, 3 guinea pigs and a > fish...lol... i think i'm helping animals lives a little bit LOL > > casey > > Ferrets are neat-o-mosquito! Do they steal your stuff and hide it? One of my college buddies had one and it would find her leather wallet -- no matter where she hid it -- and steal it! > > LOL. Serves her right for having a leather wallet, eh? > > What kind of fishie do you have? > > --jojo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 Hi Jojo I am not upset, just putting a point of view. Jo -- " All truth passes through 3 stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. " - Arthur Schopenhauer - " jojo " <tofujojo Monday, April 22, 2002 3:25 AM Re: Honey??? > Casey, you are *so* cute . > > I see everybody's point of view, too. I just think the more > vegans/vegetarians there are, the better. And for everyone else, if that's > not important to them, than I hope that something else is (e.g. feeding the > hungry, building libraries, habitat-for-humanity, etc...) For all our > sakes. It *is* frustrating when people are confused by what vegetarianism > or veganism actually is. And it *is* frustrating when people claim to be > something when they are not. But there are far worse things to get upset > about... > > --jojo > > - > " casey thompson " <veganmunkee > > Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:09 PM > Re: Honey??? > > > > i do believe he admitted he was wrong for calling himself vegan.... this > is > > getting soo crazy...vegans are very defensive.... i'm not so defensive... > > lol...wow.. > > casey > > > > > > > " Jo " <Heartwork > > > > > > > > >Re: Honey??? > > >Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:13:01 +0100 > > > > > >Oh come on Werner - admit when you are wrong! > > > > > >I understand that the chocolate covered locusts and ants are pretty good, > > >do you eat those as well:? > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect > ... > > >not an animal. > > > Werner. > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM > > > > > > Honey??? > > > > > > Hi Werner > > > > > > > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I > > >always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? > > > > > > You can't just re-define words in the English language because > you > > >want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as " organized being > > >endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion " (Concise OED). You > can > > >no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan > because > > >Bees are animals. > > > > > > Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are > > >actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - it > > >doesn't work that way. > > > > > > The problem is that because you are defining yourself as vegan, > > >and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for > the > > >true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe > that > > >all vegans are OK eating honey. > > > > > > Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop > > >calling yourself vegan! > > > > > > BB > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: 06/03/02 > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > >- > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 - casey thompson Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:03 PM Re: Honey??? thanks...lol...and yeah i agree..all the way... caseyas for me... i'll feed and taking care of 5 ferrets, 3 guinea pigs and a fish...lol... i think i'm helping animals lives a little bit LOL casey Ferrets are neat-o-mosquito! Do they steal your stuff and hide it? One of my college buddies had one and it would find her leather wallet -- no matter where she hid it -- and steal it! LOL. Serves her right for having a leather wallet, eh? What kind of fishie do you have? --jojo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 22, 2002 Report Share Posted April 22, 2002 - <EBbrewpunx Monday, April 22, 2002 8:47 AM RE: Re: Honey??? > we had a ferret named chloe...she was a lil terror...she liked to hide things in the couch..... > alas, an ex runned off with her.... > oh well...story of me life <snip> > soon, soon, i will build a pond in my postage size backyard, and there will be fish, glorious fish, and hopefully it will attract froggies and other amphibians...if only i can keep the neighborhood bully raccoons away... > fraggle > *el presidente grande(in waiting)* Fraggle, Just curious, here; are you going with fish this time as they are harder for spiteful lovers to run off with ? LOL. Sorry -- couldn't resist. Bad jojo -- very, very bad jojo... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 23, 2002 Report Share Posted April 23, 2002 Well, good then -- I'm glad I hope you don't think I was singling you out, though, Jo. I just meant the argument in general was getting a bit heated. --jojo - " Jo " <Heartwork Monday, April 22, 2002 8:48 AM Re: Honey??? > Hi Jojo > > I am not upset, just putting a point of view. > > Jo > > -- > " All truth passes through 3 stages. > First, it is ridiculed. > Second, it is violently opposed. > Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. " > - Arthur Schopenhauer > > - > " jojo " <tofujojo > > Monday, April 22, 2002 3:25 AM > Re: Honey??? > > > > Casey, you are *so* cute . > > > > I see everybody's point of view, too. I just think the more > > vegans/vegetarians there are, the better. And for everyone else, if > that's > > not important to them, than I hope that something else is (e.g. feeding > the > > hungry, building libraries, habitat-for-humanity, etc...) For all our > > sakes. It *is* frustrating when people are confused by what vegetarianism > > or veganism actually is. And it *is* frustrating when people claim to be > > something when they are not. But there are far worse things to get upset > > about... > > > > --jojo > > > > - > > " casey thompson " <veganmunkee > > > > Sunday, April 21, 2002 4:09 PM > > Re: Honey??? > > > > > > > i do believe he admitted he was wrong for calling himself vegan.... this > > is > > > getting soo crazy...vegans are very defensive.... i'm not so > defensive... > > > lol...wow.. > > > casey > > > > > > > > > > " Jo " <Heartwork > > > > > > > > > > > >Re: Honey??? > > > >Sun, 21 Apr 2002 10:13:01 +0100 > > > > > > > >Oh come on Werner - admit when you are wrong! > > > > > > > >I understand that the chocolate covered locusts and ants are pretty > good, > > > >do you eat those as well:? > > > > > > > >Jo > > > > > > > > > > > > According to Websters Dictionary ... a bee is still an insect > > ... > > > >not an animal. > > > > Werner. > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > > > > > Saturday, April 20, 2002 11:46:42 AM > > > > > > > > Honey??? > > > > > > > > Hi Werner > > > > > > > > > I've heard all the arguments pro and con about honey. But I > > > >always thought a bee was an insect, rather than an animal? > > > > > > > > You can't just re-define words in the English language because > > you > > > >want to call yourself vegan. An animal is defined as " organized being > > > >endowed with life, sensation, and voluntary motion " (Concise OED). You > > can > > > >no more be a honey-eating vegan than you can a milk-drinking vegan > > because > > > >Bees are animals. > > > > > > > > Next thing people will be saying that they drink milk, but are > > > >actually vegan because they don't consider cows to be animals. Sorry - > it > > > >doesn't work that way. > > > > > > > > The problem is that because you are defining yourself as > vegan, > > > >and then publicly eating an animal product, you make it much harder for > > the > > > >true vegans - because any restaurant you have been in will now believe > > that > > > >all vegans are OK eating honey. > > > > > > > > Please, for the sake of the true vegans in the world - stop > > > >calling yourself vegan! > > > > > > > > BB > > > > Peter > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > > > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > > > > Version: 6.0.332 / Virus Database: 186 - Release Date: > 06/03/02 > > > > > > > > > > > > To send an email to > > > >- > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 they don't steal my stuff much...my big boy...maynard...used to steal my sneakers all the time...that's about it...they mostly just take their toys and treat boxes and cans and tubes..and steal them...and try to eat em all...but usually they can't get em open...or i catch em in the act...lol...they are great though..... they're names are (3 boys)maynard- almost 1.5 years, zeke, crow- both about 4 months, (and 2 girls) mandarin- almost 4, and paz- 1.5 years. my fishy is an african cichlid..he's a really nice orange that matches my car color exactly...so i named him chevelle and my piggies for fun.... Ino, Artu, and Kanobi...all girls..ino is the youngest.. casey > " jojo " <tofujojo > > >Re: Honey??? >Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:14:02 -0700 > > > - > casey thompson > > Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:03 PM > Re: Honey??? > > > > thanks...lol...and yeah i agree..all the way... > > casey > > as for me... i'll feed and taking care of 5 ferrets, 3 guinea pigs and a > fish...lol... i think i'm helping animals lives a little bit LOL > > casey > > Ferrets are neat-o-mosquito! Do they steal your stuff and hide it? One >of my college buddies had one and it would find her leather wallet -- no >matter where she hid it -- and steal it! > > LOL. Serves her right for having a leather wallet, eh? > > What kind of fishie do you have? > > --jojo _______________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 24, 2002 Report Share Posted April 24, 2002 You have a Chevelle! That is so cool. I love ugly/bad cars. And it's bright orange, too. I am so jealous. Your babies all sound very cool. --jojo - casey thompson Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:11 PM Re: Honey??? they don't steal my stuff much...my big boy...maynard...used to steal my sneakers all the time...that's about it...they mostly just take their toys and treat boxes and cans and tubes..and steal them...and try to eat em all...but usually they can't get em open...or i catch em in the act...lol...they are great though..... they're names are (3 boys)maynard- almost 1.5 years, zeke, crow- both about 4 months, (and 2 girls) mandarin- almost 4, and paz- 1.5 years.my fishy is an african cichlid..he's a really nice orange that matches my car color exactly...so i named him chevelle :)and my piggies for fun.... Ino, Artu, and Kanobi...all girls..ino is the youngest.. casey>"jojo" <tofujojo> >>Re: Honey???>Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:14:02 -0700>>> -> casey thompson> > Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:03 PM> Re: Honey???>>>> thanks...lol...and yeah i agree..all the way...>> casey>> as for me... i'll feed and taking care of 5 ferrets, 3 guinea pigs and a> fish...lol... i think i'm helping animals lives a little bit LOL>> casey>> Ferrets are neat-o-mosquito! Do they steal your stuff and hide it? One >of my college buddies had one and it would find her leather wallet -- no >matter where she hid it -- and steal it!>> LOL. Serves her right for having a leather wallet, eh? >> What kind of fishie do you have?>> --jojo_______________Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.comTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2002 Report Share Posted April 25, 2002 lol...my car is neither ugly nor bad.... it does need a tune up though....and i'm getting a new window put in..(mine is duct taped plastic..) because someone smashed mine and stole my stereo.... also needs new interior...rips in some places...but i covered my seats with leopard printed seat covers ...so it just looks bad ass... casey > " jojo " <tofujojo > > >Re: Honey??? >Tue, 23 Apr 2002 22:30:29 -0700 > >You have a Chevelle! That is so cool. I love ugly/bad cars. And it's >bright orange, too. I am so jealous. Your babies all sound very cool. > >--jojo > - > casey thompson > > Tuesday, April 23, 2002 7:11 PM > Re: Honey??? > > > they don't steal my stuff much...my big boy...maynard...used to steal my > sneakers all the time...that's about it...they mostly just take their >toys > and treat boxes and cans and tubes..and steal them...and try to eat em > all...but usually they can't get em open...or i catch em in the > act...lol...they are great though..... they're names are (3 >boys)maynard- > almost 1.5 years, zeke, crow- both about 4 months, (and 2 girls) >mandarin- > almost 4, and paz- 1.5 years. > > my fishy is an african cichlid..he's a really nice orange that matches >my > car color exactly...so i named him chevelle > > and my piggies for fun.... Ino, Artu, and Kanobi...all girls..ino is the > youngest.. > > > casey > > > > " jojo " <tofujojo > > > > > >Re: Honey??? > >Mon, 22 Apr 2002 11:14:02 -0700 > > > > > > - > > casey thompson > > > > Sunday, April 21, 2002 6:03 PM > > Re: Honey??? > > > > > > > > thanks...lol...and yeah i agree..all the way... > > > > casey > > > > as for me... i'll feed and taking care of 5 ferrets, 3 guinea pigs >and a > > fish...lol... i think i'm helping animals lives a little bit LOL > > > > casey > > > > Ferrets are neat-o-mosquito! Do they steal your stuff and hide it? >One > >of my college buddies had one and it would find her leather wallet -- >no > >matter where she hid it -- and steal it! > > > > LOL. Serves her right for having a leather wallet, eh? > > > > What kind of fishie do you have? > > > > --jojo > > > > > _______________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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