Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I pick up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him approach anyone. Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to the population. It takes quite a bit of housekeeping to prevent my allergies from flaring up, but I do enjoy my pets. Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, even cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in the neighborhood is affected. But to outlaw pets seems kind of extreme. Maybe a better solution would be to include all pets in the 'leash law' that's commonly applied to dogs. A person should be able to control whether they're going to be in contact with animals or not. Just my thoughts on pet responsibility... - Muffy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 I very much agree with you. Pets should not be a problem to others if you are a truly responsible pet owner (and you sound like you are). As I said before, my kitties are indoor cats. Most animal experts agree that it is MUCH better for the animal if they stay indoors. There are just too many risks for the cat to go outside (especially in a crowded neighboorhood). I used to feel guilty about keeping them inside, becuase one of them really wanted to go outside all the time. I did some research on it, and it made me feel much better. PETA's website has some info. on cat care, and I recommend it to anyone with questions. My cats are fixed so they won't add to the population problem, and I do let them outside on a balcony (only when I am watching to make sure they don't jump or fall off, and they are trained to use a leash and sometimes I take them out to a field across the street where it is nice and quite and they seem to like that (although I do get some strange looks). They have never used the bathroom outside, but if they did, I would clean it up. Hannah James & Muffy Caldwell 7/11/02 12:27 AM Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility >> As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I pick up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him approach anyone. Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to the population. It takes quite a bit of housekeeping to prevent my allergies from flaring up, but I do enjoy my pets. Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, even cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in the neighborhood is affected. But to outlaw pets seems kind of extreme. Maybe a better solution would be to include all pets in the 'leash law' that's commonly applied to dogs. A person should be able to control whether they're going to be in contact with animals or not. Just my thoughts on pet responsibility... - Muffy To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 In case anyone is intrested in the subject, here is an article PETA has about keeping indoor cats--it's one of the things I read when doing research to help me decide to keep my kitties safe inside. http://www.peta.org/liv/animaltimes/ATfall00/cats.html (If my link dosn't work, you can go to the PETA site and use the search box, type in INDOOR CATS, and that should take you to the article). Hannah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 i agree outlawin em would be wrong but, not sure how it is in other places, but tooo often " pets " are thought of as disposable here...dogs are chained outside all day, left to wander, cats are something that occassionally are fed on the front porch and left to their own devices most of the time, etc and, if something is wrong with em, off they go to the pound...er are stuck in a sack and left on the side of the road.... not sure if leash laws would work fer cats...there are a lot of cats... maybe a loooooong educational project to explain to folks the facts... fraggle " James & Muffy Caldwell " <jmc62701 wrote: > As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat >doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I pick >up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him approach anyone. >Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to the population. It >takes quite a bit of housekeeping to prevent my allergies from flaring up, >but I do enjoy my pets. > Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, even >cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in the >neighborhood is affected. But to outlaw pets seems kind of extreme. Maybe >a better solution would be to include all pets in the 'leash law' that's >commonly applied to dogs. A person should be able to control whether >they're going to be in contact with animals or not. > >Just my thoughts on pet responsibility... > - Muffy > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Muffy > As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat > doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I pick > up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him approach anyone. > Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to the population. One of my friends has three cats. She has made a large area adjoining the house, which is made from chicken wire. There is a big rabbit hutch with blankets in it, food, water toys, litter box. She leaves the small window open for them so that they can go indoors when they want to. They are happy, safe, contented cats, and they cannot kill birds or make a mess for other people. My friend loves her cats very much, and I can appreciate their finer points because they are not being a nuisance. > Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, even > cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in the > neighborhood is affected. But to outlaw pets seems kind of extreme. Maybe > a better solution would be to include all pets in the 'leash law' that's > commonly applied to dogs. A person should be able to control whether > they're going to be in contact with animals or not. > > Just my thoughts on pet responsibility... I agree. Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 My dog runs loose in the park , as do I ! What kind of life is it for a dog to be constrained by the speed of its owner . It renminds me of slaves on leashes. I'm glad I live in the UK . Most dogs run free and bother each other if they wish !!! I bother people all the time I like to chat . Its called being sociable and my dog copies my habits and chats to the humans /dogs also . Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I pick up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him approach anyone. Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to the population. It takes quite a bit of housekeeping to prevent my allergies from flaring up, but I do enjoy my pets. Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, even cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in the neighborhood is affected. But to outlaw pets seems kind of extreme. Maybe a better solution would be to include all pets in the 'leash law' that's commonly applied to dogs. A person should be able to control whether they're going to be in contact with animals or not. --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 05/06/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my apartment either Heartwork [Heartwork] 11 July 2002 19:21 Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat > doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I > pick up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him > approach anyone. Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to > the population. > Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, > even cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in > the neighborhood is affected. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 depends are you goin to beat small children with loaves of bread? if so, probably not... i called truce..so, i'm done... til someone drags my hairy butt back into it again.... fraggle " Angie Wright " <angiewright wrote: >I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my >apartment either > >Angie > > >Heartwork [Heartwork] >11 July 2002 19:21 > >Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > > > >> As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat >> doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I >> pick up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him >> approach anyone. Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to >> the population. > >> Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, >> even cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in >> the neighborhood is affected. > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Yes, you must stay locked indoors. We can't have you being a nuisance to others now can we?! Janey x > I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my > apartment either > > Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 don't make me take off my belt you two cuz then my pants would fall down... good thing i wear more then one belt " Janey " <janey wrote: >Yes, you must stay locked indoors. We can't have you being a nuisance to >others now can we?! > >Janey >x > > >> I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my >> apartment either >> >> Angie > > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Pants means something else in England! I hope they won't be falling down!!! :-) Janey x > > don't make me take off my belt you two > > cuz then my pants would fall down... > > good thing i wear more then one belt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Angie > I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my > apartment either If you are not legally responsible for your actions, you will have to be accompanied by somebody who is whenever you go into " public " . If you were a nuisance and not legally responsible for your actions, you will be put into a hospital and not let out into public. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Hi all > Pants means something else in England! I hope they won't be falling down!!! > :-) OMG - first Michael, now Fraggle - we're turning into a vegan naturists list. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 well..its either that er my vegan S & M club.. as sson as i figure out how to put up pix in ..muhahahahhahahaha fraggle " Peter " <Snowbow wrote: >Hi all > >> Pants means something else in England! I hope they won't be falling >down!!! >> :-) > >OMG - first Michael, now Fraggle - we're turning into a vegan naturists >list. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 > I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my > apartment either Quite possibly :-) Jo --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Oh dear then people will never get to know what an unfriendly human hating person I am . What will I do with myself if I can't go out and bother people ! Janey [janey] 12 July 2002 22:13 Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility Yes, you must stay locked indoors. We can't have you being a nuisance to others now can we?! Janey x > I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my > apartment either > > Angie To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 I expect I am a bother to some people . Those who don't like the way I dress / speak /look/ but then I don't always like the way others are --too loud maybe . Lots of people in Nottingham particularly don't like the beggars .They have been removed . I don't like bald heads but they haven't been removed yet . Obviously I'm not as vociferous as those opposed to beggars Peter [snowbow] 12 July 2002 23:26 Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my > apartment either If you are not legally responsible for your actions, you will have to be accompanied by somebody who is whenever you go into " public " . If you were a nuisance and not legally responsible for your actions, you will be put into a hospital and not let out into public. BB Peter --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 great..now angie wants to remove me or is it ok, cuz i have a tail? where shall i be removed to? do we get choices? i'd like to be removed to costa rica please fraggle " Angie Wright " <angiewright wrote: >I expect I am a bother to some people . Those who don't like the way I >dress / speak /look/ but then I don't always like the way others are >--too loud maybe . Lots of people in Nottingham particularly don't like >the beggars .They have been removed . I don't like bald heads but they >haven't been removed yet . Obviously I'm not as vociferous as those >opposed to beggars >Angie > > >Peter [snowbow] >12 July 2002 23:26 > >Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > > >Angie > >> I'm often a bother to people . Dpoes that mean I shouldn't leave my >> apartment either > >If you are not legally responsible for your actions, you will have to be >accompanied by somebody who is whenever you go into " public " . If you >were a nuisance and not legally responsible for your actions, you will >be put into a hospital and not let out into public. > >BB >Peter > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 That's the coolest idea! Your friend sounds like the best cat mama in the world - Muffy - " Heartwork " <Heartwork Thursday, July 11, 2002 1:21 PM Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > One of my friends has three cats. She has made a large area adjoining the > house, which is made from chicken wire. There is a big rabbit hutch with > blankets in it, food, water toys, litter box. She leaves the small window > open for them so that they can go indoors when they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 I'm afraid to let my dog loose anywhere. Since he's a hunting hound breed, I'm afraid he'll get on a trail and be long gone before I can catch him. Poor puppy. People here don't like other peoples' dogs, anyway. - Muffy - " Angie Wright " <angiewright Thursday, July 11, 2002 7:07 PM RE: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > My dog runs loose in the park , as do I ! What kind of life is it for a > dog to be constrained by the speed of its owner . > > It renminds me of slaves on leashes. I'm glad I live in the UK . Most > dogs run free and bother each other if they wish !!! I bother people all > the time I like to chat . Its called being sociable and my dog copies my > habits and chats to the humans /dogs also . > > Angie > > Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > > > As far as pet ownership, I'd consider myself responsible. My cat > doesn't leave the apartment, so she isn't a bother to anyone else. I > pick up after my dog, and when I'm walking him I don't let him approach > anyone. Both pets have been fixed, so they're not adding to the > population. It takes quite a bit of housekeeping to prevent my > allergies from flaring up, but I do enjoy my pets. > Personally, I don't think any pet should be allowed to run loose, > even cats. For the pet's own good, as well as so that no one else in > the neighborhood is affected. But to outlaw pets seems kind of extreme. > Maybe a better solution would be to include all pets in the 'leash law' > that's commonly applied to dogs. A person should be able to control > whether they're going to be in contact with animals or not. > > > --- > > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 05/06/2002 > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Cats need exercise! They need to run, to climb trees. No!!! - they shouldn't be cooped indoors or in outside pens. Its cruel! Janey x > > > One of my friends has three cats. She has made a large area adjoining the > > house, which is made from chicken wire. There is a big rabbit hutch with > > blankets in it, food, water toys, litter box. She leaves the small window > > open for them so that they can go indoors when they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Cats have a great chance of getting killed outdoors. Are you saying that they'd be better off dead than to stay safe inside? My cat never goes out and he's as happy as he could be. - " Janey " <janey Saturday, July 13, 2002 3:35 AM Re: Digest Number 395 - pet responsibility > > Cats need exercise! They need to run, to climb trees. No!!! - they > shouldn't be cooped indoors or in outside pens. Its cruel! > > Janey > x > > > > > > One of my friends has three cats. She has made a large area adjoining > the > > > house, which is made from chicken wire. There is a big rabbit hutch > with > > > blankets in it, food, water toys, litter box. She leaves the small > window > > > open for them so that they can go indoors when they want to. > > > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2002 Report Share Posted July 14, 2002 What sad people , but its their loss . Some people over here don't like dogs either but I 've always found those who don't like animals to have something lacking in their personalities . Those who like animals and try to relate to them /appreciate them , are imo, much nicer people ----and nicer to other human beings too I understand that you can't let him off the lead if he will run off . But all dogs are hunters and most don't go far from the " owner " especially when very young . I have always found that a dog new to me always stays close at first ( once it realises it lives with me -obviously a recue dog wouldn't be let off straight away in case it tried to return to its previous owner!!!! ) You know your dog best and the rotten miserable neihbours that you sadly have to live near . My comiserations to you - I'm afraid to let my dog loose anywhere. Since he's a hunting hound breed, I'm afraid he'll get on a trail and be long gone before I can catch him. Poor puppy. People here don't like other peoples' dogs, anyway. - Muffy - F --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.370 / Virus Database: 205 - Release 05/06/2002 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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