Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Hi all, I am new to the list, and very excited about participating in the discusstions. Alghouth, I have been a vegetarian for 8 years, I have recently decided to try being a vegan. I have some practical questions and thought you might be able to help me. 1. When eating out, is it OK to eat vegetarian sandwiches? Wouldn't the bread contain milk or butter? How do most of you deal with this situation. 2. In terms of salad dressing, I understand that ceaser, ranch and the like have milk. How about italian and vinagrete, I assume these are ok.... 3. Do the food labels always say when dairy products are included? Can they omit that? Is there anywhere to go where there is a list of things that are truly vegan and those that are not? Thanks a bunch in advance, Rafaella New! SBC Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Hi Rafaella > I am new to the list, and very excited about participating in the discusstions. Welcome > 1. When eating out, is it OK to eat vegetarian sandwiches? Wouldn't the bread contain milk or butter? How do most of you > deal with this situation. It's hard to tell - generally "mass produced" bread doesn't contain any dairy products, but there is no guarantee! > 2. In terms of salad dressing, I understand that ceaser, ranch and the like have milk. How about italian and vinagrete, I > assume these are ok.... I can't help you here, I don't like any salad dressings, so never bothered to find out! > 3. Do the food labels always say when dairy products are included? Can they omit that? Is there anywhere to go where > there is a list of things that are truly vegan and those that are not? There's different rules in different countries, so it depends where you're based. In the UK, ingredients lists must contain everything which constitutes more than a certain percentage of the product (I think it's 2%?) - so it is always possible that there is something unfriendly in the product which isn't listed. There are some very good producers who label their products as suitable for vegans, and generally if something is labelled suitable for vegetarians and doesn't have anything nasty in the ingredients list, it's a fairly safe bet that it's OK! Of course, there's lots of wonderful names for things which come from animal products such as lactose, whey, shellac, etc. etc. to keep your eyes open for! In the UK, there is a book called "The Animal Free Shopper" which lists a vast number of products where the manufacturers are willing to guarantee that nothing from animals is involved in the production of the items. Unfortunately, it has to rely on producers of goods to respond to their questions, and therefore it's not fully comprehensive, but it is pretty good anyway! I hope that helps. BB Peter ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 salutations and welcome first off, where are u located? if its in england i really can't comment here in the states..most breads are ok...especially artisan breads. its the white wonder bread crap you have to watch out fer as fer labels...here across the pond, they can label something as " natural flavoring " and that could be anything from dirt to rat droppings to whey... the most important thing to remember...ASK! don't be afraid to ask..if yer at a resturant, tell em you are alergic to dairy er something, and you need to know wot it is cooked in, wot the ingredients are, etc i generally tell em i'm veg and make sure they understand i can't eat dairy " i;m allergic " (which is true, i am now!) and to make sure they didn't cook the soup in like chicken stock er some crap cheers and good luck fraggle Rafaella Chuahy <rchuahy wrote: > >Hi all, > >I am new to the list, and very excited about participating in the discusstions. > >Alghouth, I have been a vegetarian for 8 years, I have recently decided to try being a vegan. > >I have some practical questions and thought you might be able to help me. > >1. When eating out, is it OK to eat vegetarian sandwiches? Wouldn't the bread contain milk or butter? How do most of you deal with this situation. > >2. In terms of salad dressing, I understand that ceaser, ranch and the like have milk. How about italian and vinagrete, I assume these are ok.... > >3. Do the food labels always say when dairy products are included? Can they omit that? Is there anywhere to go where there is a list of things that are truly vegan and those that are not? > >Thanks a bunch in advance, > >Rafaella > > > > > >New! SBC Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Peter, Thank you for the comments. It definetly helps. By the way I live in the U.S. (Washington, DC). Regards, Rafaella , " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: > Hi Rafaella > > > I am new to the list, and very excited about participating in the discusstions. > > Welcome > > > 1. When eating out, is it OK to eat vegetarian sandwiches? Wouldn't the bread contain milk or butter? How do most of you > > deal with this situation. > > It's hard to tell - generally " mass produced " bread doesn't contain any dairy products, but there is no guarantee! > > > 2. In terms of salad dressing, I understand that ceaser, ranch and the like have milk. How about italian and vinagrete, I > > assume these are ok.... > > I can't help you here, I don't like any salad dressings, so never bothered to find out! > > > 3. Do the food labels always say when dairy products are included? Can they omit that? Is there anywhere to go where > > there is a list of things that are truly vegan and those that are not? > > There's different rules in different countries, so it depends where you're based. In the UK, ingredients lists must contain everything which constitutes more than a certain percentage of the product (I think it's 2%?) - so it is always possible that there is something unfriendly in the product which isn't listed. There are some very good producers who label their products as suitable for vegans, and generally if something is labelled suitable for vegetarians and doesn't have anything nasty in the ingredients list, it's a fairly safe bet that it's OK! Of course, there's lots of wonderful names for things which come from animal products such as lactose, whey, shellac, etc. etc. to keep your eyes open for! > > In the UK, there is a book called " The Animal Free Shopper " which lists a vast number of products where the manufacturers are willing to guarantee that nothing from animals is involved in the production of the items. Unfortunately, it has to rely on producers of goods to respond to their questions, and therefore it's not fully comprehensive, but it is pretty good anyway! > > I hope that helps. > > BB > Peter > > > --- > Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. > Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). > Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 >as fer labels...here across the pond, they can label something as " natural >flavoring " and that could be anything from dirt to rat droppings to whey... I keep hearing about the US being worse than us for having the ubiquitous 'natural flavoring', but what's the difference between that and the 'flavourings' you get listed on UK labels. Equally anonymous. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 >How about italian and vinagrete, I assume these are ok.... Like Peter I'm not a dressing person, but vinegarette is just olive oil and vinegar. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Are you a nudist then!? Yes I know that was a bad joke. Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists]11 July 2002 22:46 Subject: Re: New to the List: From Vegetarian to VeganLike Peter I'm not a dressing person Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Where ever you go you need to be concerned about what's in the things you eat. Don't assume. Read the label. - Rafaella Chuahy Wednesday, July 10, 2002 9:54 PM New to the List: From Vegetarian to Vegan Hi all, I am new to the list, and very excited about participating in the discusstions. Alghouth, I have been a vegetarian for 8 years, I have recently decided to try being a vegan. I have some practical questions and thought you might be able to help me. 1. When eating out, is it OK to eat vegetarian sandwiches? Wouldn't the bread contain milk or butter? How do most of you deal with this situation. 2. In terms of salad dressing, I understand that ceaser, ranch and the like have milk. How about italian and vinagrete, I assume these are ok.... 3. Do the food labels always say when dairy products are included? Can they omit that? Is there anywhere to go where there is a list of things that are truly vegan and those that are not? Thanks a bunch in advance, Rafaella New! SBC Dial - 1st Month Free & unlimited access To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 maybe he is an undressing man er maybe he wears suits, not dresses *giggle* fraggle " Lesley Dove " <Lesley wrote: >Are you a nudist then!? > >Yes I know that was a bad joke. > >Lesley > > > Mavreela [nec.lists] > 11 July 2002 22:46 > > Re: New to the List: From Vegetarian to Vegan > > > > Like Peter I'm not a dressing person > > Michael > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 >er maybe he wears suits, not dresses Well if that were the choice... gee 'aint social gender typing grand. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 11, 2002 Report Share Posted July 11, 2002 Rafaella Chuahy wrote: > > Hi all, > > I am new to the list, and very excited about participating in the > discusstions. > > Alghouth, I have been a vegetarian for 8 years, I have recently > decided to try being a vegan. > > I have some practical questions and thought you might be able to help > me. I see you're getting answers to your questions, so let me wish you luck. And not to worry about every last detail. -- Ian McDonald http://www.mcdonald.me.uk/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 read and educate yerself!! and take yer time!!! get a book on animal ingredients..like " animal ingredients a-z " check out the PETA website good luck cheers fraggle " rchuahy " <rchuahy wrote: >Peter, >Thank you for the comments. It definetly helps. By the way I live in >the U.S. (Washington, DC). >Regards, >Rafaella > >, " Peter " <Snowbow@b...> wrote: >> Hi Rafaella >> >> > I am new to the list, and very excited about participating in the >discusstions. >> >> Welcome >> >> > 1. When eating out, is it OK to eat vegetarian sandwiches? >Wouldn't the bread contain milk or butter? How do most of you >> > deal with this situation. >> >> It's hard to tell - generally " mass produced " bread doesn't contain >any dairy products, but there is no guarantee! >> >> > 2. In terms of salad dressing, I understand that ceaser, ranch >and the like have milk. How about italian and vinagrete, I >> > assume these are ok.... >> >> I can't help you here, I don't like any salad dressings, so never >bothered to find out! >> >> > 3. Do the food labels always say when dairy products are >included? Can they omit that? Is there anywhere to go where >> > there is a list of things that are truly vegan and those that are >not? >> >> There's different rules in different countries, so it depends where >you're based. In the UK, ingredients lists must contain everything >which constitutes more than a certain percentage of the product (I >think it's 2%?) - so it is always possible that there is something >unfriendly in the product which isn't listed. There are some very >good producers who label their products as suitable for vegans, and >generally if something is labelled suitable for vegetarians and >doesn't have anything nasty in the ingredients list, it's a fairly >safe bet that it's OK! Of course, there's lots of wonderful names for >things which come from animal products such as lactose, whey, >shellac, etc. etc. to keep your eyes open for! >> >> In the UK, there is a book called " The Animal Free Shopper " which >lists a vast number of products where the manufacturers are willing >to guarantee that nothing from animals is involved in the production >of the items. Unfortunately, it has to rely on producers of goods to >respond to their questions, and therefore it's not fully >comprehensive, but it is pretty good anyway! >> >> I hope that helps. >> >> BB >> Peter >> >> >> --- >> Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >> Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >> Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 > > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Bad, but very cute ! -- jojo - Lesley Dove Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:52 PM RE: New to the List: From Vegetarian to Vegan Are you a nudist then!? Yes I know that was a bad joke. Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists]11 July 2002 22:46 Subject: Re: New to the List: From Vegetarian to VeganLike Peter I'm not a dressing person MichaelTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 It might have been a bad joke, but it still made me laugh!! Hannah >Are you a nudist then!? >Yes I know that was a bad joke. >Lesley Mavreela [nec.lists] 11 July 2002 22:46 Re: New to the List: From Vegetarian to Vegan Like Peter I'm not a dressing person Michael To send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 > It might have been a bad joke, but it still made me laugh!! Y'know people laughing at the idea of me being nude isn't doing good for my confidence. Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 no, we are laughing..with you..yeah..thats it.. you ever have that reoccuring dream that you go to work naked? no, me neither, but i keep waiting for it... fraggle Mavreela <nec.lists wrote: > >> It might have been a bad joke, but it still made me laugh!! > >Y'know people laughing at the idea of me being nude isn't doing good for my >confidence. > >Michael > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 LOL - I don't think it was personal :-) Jo > > Y'know people laughing at the idea of me being nude isn't doing good for my > confidence. > > Michael > > > > To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 Hey Fraggle - did you say you are waiting to dream about Michael going to work naked :-) Jo > you ever have that reoccuring dream that you go to work naked? > no, me neither, but i keep waiting for it... --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 no but thanx fer puttin that in my head.... *cringes* maybe i'll dream of naked cats lurking in bushes eating birds and sneering at us and our laws... fraggle " Heartwork " <Heartwork wrote: >Hey Fraggle - did you say you are waiting to dream about Michael going to >work naked :-) > >Jo > >> you ever have that reoccuring dream that you go to work naked? >> no, me neither, but i keep waiting for it... > > > >--- >Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.372 / Virus Database: 207 - Release 20/06/02 > > > >To send an email to - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 12, 2002 Report Share Posted July 12, 2002 >no >but thanx fer puttin that in my head.... >*cringes* Cringes? It gets better and better for me around here! Michael Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 I missed this one when it was first posted, but I'll give it a go now. I'm relatively new at being totally vegan, but I've had to avoid dairy/eggs for a long time so I'm pretty good at the ingredient-avoiding thing. Maybe this will help you make the transition more easily. - Muffy > 1. When eating out, is it OK to eat vegetarian sandwiches? Wouldn't the bread contain milk or butter? How do most of you deal with this situation. Because I'm also allergic to dairy/eggs in addition to being vegan, I don't take any chances when eating out. If nobody can tell me for sure what's in the food, I don't eat it. Also, you have to ask VERY specifically that nothing animal-related come in contact with your food, such as the restaurant's grill not being wiped and still having butter on it when your food is cooked. I will know after I've eaten if they actually respected my preferences, so if I become ill I usually don't go back to that restaurant. Most of the time if you tell them you "can't" eat something instead of "won't", you'll get better results! > 2. In terms of salad dressing, I understand that ceaser, ranch and the like have milk. How about italian and vinagrete, I assume these are ok.... In general, I think Italian dressing and vinagrette are ok. I read the label on everything I buy, just in case there are sneaky ingredients. At restaurants when I'm not sure about their dressings, I use salsa on top of my salad or eat it plain. Again, if I accidentally eat something non-vegan, I will not only be betraying my beliefs but I'll also be sick. So I'm really careful. > 3. Do the food labels always say when dairy products are included? Can they omit that? Is there anywhere to go where there is a list of things that are truly vegan and those that are not? I've found that in the US, a lot of products are beginning to be labeled specially for allergic individuals, such as "contains eggs" or "contains dairy". Sometimes the label will say that the product "could contain traces of" substances. When I'm not sure what an ingredient is, I go home and look it up before buying the product. So fair I've never become ill after eating something with nothing non-vegan listed on the label, so I assume that the labels are accurate. Of course, there are some substances that are animal-derived that I don't react to, so I can't be 100% sure. I'm careful and I do the best I can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 13, 2002 Report Share Posted July 13, 2002 Poor Michael! Okay, everyone needs to stop making jokes at the expense of Michael's naked body! -- jojo - Mavreela Friday, July 12, 2002 2:44 PM Re: New to the List: From Vegetarian to Vegan >no>but thanx fer puttin that in my head....>*cringes*Cringes? It gets better and better for me around here!MichaelTo send an email to - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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