where is all the acceptance?

[Guest guest]

I agree with the one person on here that wrote about the problem

with all the negativity on recipes. We get it. Some of you do not

like recipes. In such an unkind and unsupportive world, I like to go

here for support. Why is it that several times a week I hear about

how I am not eating raw b/c I am doing recipes. I am trying to

transition twin 2 year olds b/c my life was too hectic to learn more

about raw foods until now. I think I am doing a good job, as are

many others that I read about. I want my children to eat healthy

from here on out with raw foods. People in the world tell me how I

need meat, to gain weight, to stop nursing, to do this and do that.

Why can we not just support each other here. We understand about

eating in the natural form. No juicing, dehydrating, etc. But yes

orange juice gets made, almond butter, and applesauce happen here.

But I am no less than the ones of you who eat in the natural form.

Unless you are transitioning other people, i.e. husband and kids,

you can eat what you want and not worry about family members.

Personally I want my family to go along for the ride. I want

everyone healthy. I remember hearing about all the acceptance and

love and higher spirituality that you gain from eating raw and

living foods. I'm looking for it on this group for support. I guess

I'll leave this group and go look somewhere else if it does continue

to make me feel like we are not as good as the rest of you.

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " drmelmatthew " <drmelmatthew>

wrote:

> I agree with the one person on here that wrote about the problem

> with all the negativity on recipes. We get it. Some of you do not

> like recipes. In such an unkind and unsupportive world, I like to

go

> here for support.......... I guess

> I'll leave this group and go look somewhere else if it does

continue

> to make me feel like we are not as good as the rest of you.

 

Christina here ~~~

 

I don't know to whom I am writing, but I hope you won't leave. Far

more of us ARE tolerant than are not. When we encounter strong

opinions that appear to be critical of what we are doing, just let it

run off your back like water. Raising twins is a whole job of it's

own.

 

Please keep writing, asking questions, sharing with us. We can learn

from you HOW to feed two-year olds in a healthy way AND still

maintain your sanity!!! I raised FIVE children, all born within ten

years of one another.

 

We all do the best we can, even when we think our way is the ONLY

way. We just continue to offer support where it is welcome. And let

the rest go.

 

Bright Blessings,

 

Christina

[Guest guest]

Do your recipes. Don't listen to those don't utilize such

food combining and food preparation.

Being raw is what is important.

 

If you are doing raw, rejoice in that and let the naysayers

say their nays; all the while you can rejoice in your recipes.

 

tev

 

drmelmatthew <drmelmatthew wrote:

I agree with the one person on here that wrote about the problem

with all the negativity on recipes. We get it. Some of you do not

like recipes. In such an unkind and unsupportive world, I like to go

here for support. Why is it that several times a week I hear about

how I am not eating raw b/c I am doing recipes. I am trying to

transition twin 2 year olds b/c my life was too hectic to learn more

about raw foods until now. I think I am doing a good job, as are

many others that I read about. I want my children to eat healthy

from here on out with raw foods. People in the world tell me how I

need meat, to gain weight, to stop nursing, to do this and do that.

Why can we not just support each other here. We understand about

eating in the natural form. No juicing, dehydrating, etc. But yes

orange juice gets made, almond butter, and applesauce happen here.

But I am no less than the ones of you who eat in the natural form.

Unless you are transitioning other people, i.e. husband and kids,

you can eat what you want and not worry about family members.

Personally I want my family to go along for the ride. I want

everyone healthy. I remember hearing about all the acceptance and

love and higher spirituality that you gain from eating raw and

living foods. I'm looking for it on this group for support. I guess

I'll leave this group and go look somewhere else if it does continue

to make me feel like we are not as good as the rest of you.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

isn't the whole point of this list anyway to learn how to eat raw or

incorporate more raw foods into our diet? and isn't part of tat learning

how to " cook " raw so we aren't bored with the usual salads & the like?

 

Megan Milligan

 

 

-

 

Do your recipes. Don't listen to those don't utilize such

food combining and food preparation.

Being raw is what is important.

 

If you are doing raw, rejoice in that and let the naysayers

say their nays; all the while you can rejoice in your recipes.

 

tev

[Guest guest]

rawfood , tev treowlufu <goraw808> wrote:

> Do your recipes. Don't listen to those don't utilize such

> food combining and food preparation.

> Being raw is what is important.

 

Being raw AND in a healthy way is important. I believe that a cooked

diet can be much healthier than many raw ones, so, since this is a

raw forum, I feel it a responsible thing to remind everyone that

recipes are stepping stones to the ideal - all fresh & whole, out of

hand. There is everthing supportive in mentioning this.

 

> If you are doing raw, rejoice in that and let the naysayers

> say their nays; all the while you can rejoice in your recipes.

>

> tev

 

It may seem like one is a merely naysayer to say one's nays, yet only

in a personal sense if readers decide that the writer lacks empathy.

Stating facts like our bodies are not meant to eat recipes is

entirely different from withholding support towards people who don't

to jump from the SAD diet to the purest form of raw food eating. I

doubt that members here have this intolerance. In fact, I find that

the cleaner our bodies are and the better we eat (and I am not taling

raw necessarily), the more loving we are capable of being toward

others.

 

Please do not take members' dislike for recipes as a form of

unsupportiveness. I am one who does not do recipes. My body rejects

them now and so it should as they are not nutritionally sound. As our

bodies get clean, they will just tell us this.

 

I think I am doing a good job, as are

> many others that I read about. I want my children to eat healthy

> from here on out with raw foods. People in the world tell me how I

> need meat, to gain weight, to stop nursing, to do this and do that.

> Why can we not just support each other here.

 

Drmelmatthew, in friendship, might I offer this to you: instead of

thinking you are doing a " good job, " perhaps you might look at your

present way as meeting your exact needs for your situation. In this

way, you, too, can free yourself from judgement of self and anyone

else here. I eat all raw but that does not mean I do a good job at

it. Another way I think of how I eat and approach others is that I

need to eat in my way, and everyone else needs to eat in theirs. When

I get this accepance from others, I am free not to ponder what anyone

else should be doing with their diet, I am just free to care about

them and answer their questions when I have something to contribute.

 

I have been reading and learning here a long time and don't feel as

you do about this group. But a bad vibe is something I take seriously

in my own life, so, you have to do what you need to. The topic of

accepance and support is valid here and I thank you for giving me the

opportunity to review how my messages might be coming across.

 

Miko

PS Please read my response to the other person who gave you feedback

about this topic. I haven't written it yet, but I am planning to

comment.

[Guest guest]

Megan,

 

It takes skill to relay support of one another and the delivery of

facts in this medium where we cannot see one another's expressions or

hear the inflections of voices. To my benefit to practise this skill!

 

Anyhow, to your message:

 

I would say, yes, to the first part only. Eating raw in and of itself

can lead to worse consequences than including some cooked foods in

your diet. So, if a person craves a little more than leaves and

fruits, I think discussions about what the body is telling us by this

would be more helpful health wise and more supportive/teaching than

some emotionally and physically (temporarily) satisfying raw recipe

that is still causing the body much stress in processing it.

 

I do feel supportive to guide with truths such as this, not just

saying let's just find the raw solutions in the name of raw, or let's

avoid cooked just so we know we're still raw, for example. Or, our

fat ratios are off the charts but no matter, I am still raw. It is

for the sake of health that there might seem to be such opposition to

the raw recipes. I don't think it means a lack of support, rather a

knowledge sharing. It's good to know that some of these recipes are

hard on the body and that future holds simpler things - but not today

for many forum member. When I look back at my food journals from a

year ago my jaw drops at my raw food preferences - but I also

remember loving the new lifestyle and being a gourmet. Then I got a

cholesterol check and I said, okay, time to fast and then clean

house, baby!

 

When looking to the raw diet to be healthy, our positions in life

often have to dictate how quickly this occurs, and other factors,

too. There is no shame in that; we are all very much alike. I would

encourage some of you to assess your readiness to be raw completely

instead of plunging into raw recipes day after day. It takes a lot of

work either way to keep track of your protein, fat and carb intake

but being responsible for your health is worth that.

 

For those who are searching and craving: Look into all the solutions

you can find (we've just scratched the surface here), and know one

day you get there, 100% raw - then help the new friends up the

mountain but always share nature's laws. That's what I am trying to

do. I don't know everything but there are some fundamentals.

Everything else is just my opinion based on having been useful in my

personal nutritional journey.

 

Miko

 

rawfood , " Megan Milligan " <yasminduran@c...>

wrote:

> isn't the whole point of this list anyway to learn how to eat raw or

> incorporate more raw foods into our diet? and isn't part of tat

learning

> how to " cook " raw so we aren't bored with the usual salads & the

like?

>

> Megan Milligan

[Guest guest]

In what way is a cooked diet much healthier than a raw one?

 

Please enlighten me?

 

Peter

 

 

Being raw AND in a healthy way is important. I believe that a cooked

diet can be much healthier than many raw ones, so, since this is a

raw forum, I feel it a responsible thing to remind everyone that

recipes are stepping stones to the ideal - all fresh & whole, out of

hand. There is everything supportive in mentioning this.

[Guest guest]

Sure Peter, no problem. But my typing is slow, I,m drunk, Not.

 

Peace, labobiourousluy,

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

Rich,

 

Jog me again with the thread in the morning. ...acceptance of what?

 

Peter

 

 

Sure Peter, no problem. But my typing is slow, I,m drunk, Not.

 

Peace, labobiourousluy,

 

Rich

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

>

> In what way is a cooked diet much healthier than a raw one?

 

Maybe he means the ones that are really out of balance and are

heavily fat laden. The sort of thing Fred Patenaude talks about in

his 'Raw Secrets' book like overloading on nuts, avocadoes etc.

 

Just a guess, I have no idea!!!

 

Hugs,

 

Elisabeth=)

[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Miko (Kobasigawa) Nelson "

<miko_nelson@h...> wrote:

> Drmelmatthew, in friendship, might I offer this to you: instead of

> thinking you are doing a " good job, " perhaps you might look at your

> present way as meeting your exact needs for your situation. In this

> way, you, too, can free yourself from judgement of self and anyone

> else here. I eat all raw but that does not mean I do a good job at

> it.

 

I think she IS doing a great job! I'm sure you meant this kindly,

but it wasn't very encouraging!=(

 

Mel, keep up the good work and try not to let others bother you too

much. Make progress at your own pace and start from where you are

now. What works for one, doesn't always work for another.

 

Hugs,

 

Elisabeth=)

[Guest guest]

A truly amazing response to my question, Elisabeth!

 

Not for what you say which is reasonable but rather for the absence of the

response of cooks of the world. One might expect every dietician in the

world who supports a steamed leaf or a slice of toast, with or without some

spread, to swoop in and enlighten me...

 

Instead, just a great silence. It might make some wonder whether cooking

food does improve it.

 

Peter

 

 

Elisabeth Braun [elisabeth.braun]

13 March 2004 23:59

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] where is all the acceptance?

 

 

 

rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...>

wrote:

>

> In what way is a cooked diet much healthier than a raw one?

 

Maybe he means the ones that are really out of balance and are

heavily fat laden. The sort of thing Fred Patenaude talks about in

his 'Raw Secrets' book like overloading on nuts, avocadoes etc.

 

Just a guess, I have no idea!!!

 

Hugs,

 

Elisabeth=)

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Lena,

 

Well said! Diet, like life, is a path. Any one point on that path is

an important step on the path. When one person is " farther ahead " on

the path, it makes a point " further back " on someone else's path no

less valuable or important. It is rare to find someone who goes

directly from a standard American diet to a raw vegan organic mono

diet. Patience, understanding, and encouragement are valuable

attributes in helping others on their paths. For people to successful

in their dietary changes, they need to be ready for and happy with

their changes (IMO.)

 

Jeff

 

 

>There is no one ideal, to which the ideals of others

>pale in comparison. There is nothing whatsoever

> " supportive " in presenting such a condenscending

>belief. There are many people who disagree with your

>ideal, which is merely one more " ideal " out of many.

[Guest guest]

My lack of prompt replies is due to being busy fulfilling my goals

here in life. Writing in this forum is my treat after tasks have been

completed. I prefer to write without time constraints affecting

thoughts shared here. Right now is not one such time, yet I feel that

the subject matter in the last few messages warrant a timely response.

 

So, Peter, I have been silent yes. I have a child and practice guitar

every chance I get, then get exercise and fresh air. I like being a

participant here and in life both.

 

As far as the ideal, I would like to expound here. Yes, I agree with

Lena/Jeff, I believe in the importance of my fellow person's path to

be equal the importance of my own. I am glad to confirm this belief

with you. I have stated this very thing in past posts myself directly

and indirectly. And, in fact, I did not go " directly from a standard

American diet to a raw vegan organic mono " one myself and, therefore

have the ability to empathize firsthand in these matters.

 

Here in the real world, my friends include a wide variety of

alternative diets and I still prepare cooked and raw recipes for them

regularly and without a second thought. I have never had such a tight

and caring network of friends in my life. We appreciate one another's

insights on nutrition and take interest in how our life's paths take

to new heights and highs. I am about fun and relationships.

 

I try to model my attitude about raw after my hero, Victoria

Boutenko, which, perhaps because of her authority status, does not

offend members here. She is able to say that the ideal I share here

is indeed what humans were meant for optimum health and have this

message taken as one of love and support for her fellow person. I

share in hopes to be of a blessing to those who find in me a kindred

spirit.

 

I expect to be seen as condescending as much as any other possible

description. I would like you to consider that I might oftentimes

agree with your stances whilst maintaining mine.

 

Going to join my family in the rest of this weekend!

 

Miko

 

 

rawfood , Jeff Rogers <jeff@s...> wrote:

When one person is " farther ahead " on

> the path, it makes a point " further back " on someone else's path no

> less valuable or important. It is rare to find someone who goes

> directly from a standard American diet to a raw vegan organic mono

> diet. Patience, understanding, and encouragement are valuable

> attributes in helping others on their paths. For people to

successful

> in their dietary changes, they need to be ready for and happy with

> their changes (IMO.)

>

> Jeff

 

> >There is no one ideal, to which the ideals of others

> >pale in comparison. There is nothing whatsoever

> > " supportive " in presenting such a condenscending

> >belief. There are many people who disagree with your

> >ideal, which is merely one more " ideal " out of many.

[Guest guest]

I personally am not a recipe man; but if

others find joy and delight in making raw recipes

I think they should do so with gusto, and not

be disparaged by others who do not share their

recipe mania. Perhaps recipes may also reveal to

the rawker food combing. Who knows.

 

Maybe recipe-using behavior is brain exercise for

some people. Or maybe food preparation via recipes

is part of their " theology " or culture.

 

Your questions are answered with: sure, sure.

 

regards,

 

tev

 

Megan Milligan <yasminduran wrote:

isn't the whole point of this list anyway to learn how to eat raw or

incorporate more raw foods into our diet? and isn't part of tat learning

how to " cook " raw so we aren't bored with the usual salads & the like?

 

Megan Milligan

 

 

The experience of dynamic religious living transforms the mediocre individual

into a personality of idealistic power. Religion ministers to the progress of

all through fostering the progress of each individual, and the progress of each

is augmented through the achievement of all. [The Urantia Book: 1094:1]

 

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