Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

[Guest guest]

This is surprising news for me. I had no idea iceberg

lettuce lacked nutritional value and was filled with

carcigens. I've recently started eating romaine

lettuce. Is this acceptable? Any other type lettuce I

should consider? Why do the other lettuce types have

less and/or no carcigens? Thanks Lili

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

>

>This is surprising news for me. I had no idea iceberg

>lettuce lacked nutritional value and was filled with

>carcigens. I've recently started eating romaine

>lettuce. Is this acceptable? Any other type lettuce I

>should consider? Why do the other lettuce types have

>less and/or no carcigens? Thanks Lili

 

 

My friend told me that the doctor said iceberg lettuce is carcinogenic

because in order for it to grow nice the way it does it needs to be

basically bathed in pesticides otherwise it is prime food for insects

because of it's high water content.

 

As far as I know romaine is fine )

 

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[Guest guest]

rawfood , " Abegael Drake " <djrockitgirl@h...>

wrote:

 

> My friend told me that the doctor said iceberg lettuce is

>carcinogenic because in order for it to grow nice the way it does it

>needs to be basically bathed in pesticides otherwise it is prime

>food for insects because of it's high water content.

>as far as I know romaine is fine )

 

Thanks Abegael...romaine it is until I find a few more alternatives

to mix it up a bit. :)Lili

[Guest guest]

Hi I don't eat lettuce. I use spinach. It has a softer, more velvet texture,

and it mixes well with things that lettuce doesn't seem to taste right

with...For example,

1)spinach, oranges, sprouted mung beans, tamari, ginger, rice vinegar, and a

sprinkle of sesame seeds.

2) spinach, apples, oranges, sprouts, rice vinegar, cheyenne papper.

I mix spinach in all day long, because it tends to blend in with everything and

the dark greens are best for your body. I don't own a juicer so I do greens

this way.

Hope this helps on your quest for lettuce. You can buy it in a bag organic or

not, all washed.

May Love prevail, Barbara Pearl

 

 

[Guest guest]

I use spinach instead of lettuce all the time. I don't buy lettuce

anymore because I need the green stuff and I don't juice.

[Guest guest]

I think I once got an overdose of oxalic acid on eating huge quantities of

spinach!

I have forgotten what that did for me but I cut down on it thereafter

 

Peter

 

 

Barbara Jose [pearls25]

18 March 2004 19:20

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

 

Hi I don't eat lettuce. I use spinach. It has a softer, more velvet

texture, and it mixes well with things that lettuce doesn't seem to taste

right with...For example, 1)spinach, oranges, sprouted mung beans, tamari,

ginger, rice vinegar, and a sprinkle of sesame seeds.

2) spinach, apples, oranges, sprouts, rice vinegar, cheyenne papper.

I mix spinach in all day long, because it tends to blend in with everything

and the dark greens are best for your body. I don't own a juicer so I do

greens this way. Hope this helps on your quest for lettuce. You can buy it

in a bag organic or not, all washed.

May Love prevail, Barbara Pearl

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Thanks for the warning...I don't think I'm at the " huge amount " level

yet...I'm pretty new at this! lol Is there a place where I can find out what

would be too much spinach? -Barbara

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Friday, March 19, 2004 2:30 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

I think I once got an overdose of oxalic acid on eating huge quantities of

spinach!

I have forgotten what that did for me but I cut down on it thereafter

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the suggestion Barbara. I spoke with a few people

yesterday who also had good things to say about spinach. I plan to

alternate between spinach and romaine lettuce until I find a few

other alternatives. Would be nice to have at least three or four

choices to have some variety. Lili--- In

rawfood , " Barbara Jose " <pearls25@m...> wrote:

> Hi I don't eat lettuce. I use spinach. It has a softer, more

velvet texture, and it mixes well with things that lettuce doesn't

seem to taste right with...For example,

> 1)spinach, oranges, sprouted mung beans, tamari, ginger, rice

vinegar, and a sprinkle of sesame seeds.

> 2) spinach, apples, oranges, sprouts, rice vinegar, cheyenne

papper.

> I mix spinach in all day long, because it tends to blend in with

everything and the dark greens are best for your body. I don't own a

juicer so I do greens this way.

> Hope this helps on your quest for lettuce. You can buy it in a bag

organic or not, all washed.

> May Love prevail, Barbara Pearl

>

>

[Guest guest]

Yes, here,

 

I ate a lot of it and overall it was a good move. In transition it is hard

to eat too much spinach.

 

Peter

 

 

Hi Thanks for the warning...I don't think I'm at the " huge amount " level

yet...I'm pretty new at this! lol Is there a place where I can find out

what would be too much spinach? -Barbara

 

 

I think I once got an overdose of oxalic acid on eating huge quantities of

spinach!

I have forgotten what that did for me but I cut down on it thereafter

 

Peter

[Guest guest]

Hello Peter and everyone,

 

Hope you are all well and having a wonderful Friday. Peter, is there any

green in particular that you would recommend? I am not a fruit person much at

all but I do like my veggies. Salads I am used to pretty much but I do need to

get my taste buds in better shape. I always said I was not picky but now

thinking about it, I am pretty darned picky What about greens in a blender?

 

Thankyou everyone for all your wonderful info and inspiration.

Hugs,

Tone

 

 

Yes, here,

 

I ate a lot of it and overall it was a good move. In transition it is hard

to eat too much spinach.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I am doing more and more sprouting for greens, there is only so much raw spinach

I can eat. I mix it in a lot of stuff...fruit salad, sprout salad, etc. I am

also mixing a lot of sprouts in too. Working on it, anyways. Thanks for the

help, Peter. -Barbara

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Friday, March 19, 2004 2:40 PM

RE: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

Yes, here,

 

I ate a lot of it and overall it was a good move. In transition it is hard

to eat too much spinach.

 

Peter

 

 

Hi Thanks for the warning...I don't think I'm at the " huge amount " level

yet...I'm pretty new at this! lol Is there a place where I can find out

what would be too much spinach? -Barbara

 

 

I think I once got an overdose of oxalic acid on eating huge quantities of

spinach!

I have forgotten what that did for me but I cut down on it thereafter

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Toni,

 

A fast will sharpen taste. My remark was just to warn about going overboard

on spinach. I think it is not a good idea to become too dependent on any

one food item. Just buy the dark coloured leaves which might even be deep

red as in cabbage.

There are lots of possibilities, kale, cabbage, masses of salads etc.

 

Occasionally I put vegetables through a cutter, That way I get more on a

plate, I chew less and it is less offensive to the meat eaters at the table.

On my own I usually just tear with my hands.

 

Peter

 

 

Toni McCauley [tone102]

19 March 2004 20:59

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

 

Hello Peter and everyone,

 

Hope you are all well and having a wonderful Friday. Peter, is there any

green in particular that you would recommend? I am not a fruit person much

at all but I do like my veggies. Salads I am used to pretty much but I do

need to get my taste buds in better shape. I always said I was not picky but

now thinking about it, I am pretty darned picky What about greens in a

blender?

 

Thankyou everyone for all your wonderful info and inspiration. Hugs, Tone

 

 

Yes, here,

 

I ate a lot of it and overall it was a good move. In transition it is

hard

to eat too much spinach.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Oxalic acid occurs naturally in quite a large number of plants. The human

body also synthesizes oxalic acid from ascorbic acid (Vitamin C). Oxalic

acid may combine with calcium, iron, sodium, magnesium, or potassium to form

less soluble salts known as oxalates. Oxalates also occur naturally in

plants.

 

Since oxalic acid binds with important nutrients, making them

inaccessible to the body, regular consumption of large amounts of foods high

in oxalic acid over a period of weeks to months may result in nutrient

deficiencies, most notably of calcium.

 

Oxalic acid is a strong acid, and is irritating to tissue all by itself.

Extremely high doses are fatal. Oxalates, on the other hand, form tiny

little insoluble crystals with sharp edges, which are also irritating to

tissue. So, high levels of oxalic acid/oxalates in the diet lead to

irritation of the digestive system, and particularly of the stomach and

kidneys. They may also contribute to the formation of kidney stones (the

most common form of kidney stone is composed of calcium oxalate).

 

Foods containing these chemicals may be consumed in moderation. However,

if you suffer from kidney disease, kidney stones, rheumatoid arthritis, or

gout, it is usually recommended that you avoid foods that are high in

oxalates or oxalic acid. Foods generally found on the list include:

chocolate, cocoa, coffee, most berries (especially strawberries and

cranberries), most nuts (especially peanuts), beans, beets, bell peppers,

black pepper, parsley, rhubarb, spinach, Swiss chard, summer squash, sweet

potatoes, and tea.

 

Plant foods with high concentrations of oxalic acid (over 200 ppm)

include (but are not limited to): lamb's-quarter, buckwheat, star fruit,

black pepper, purslane, poppy seeds, rhubarb, tea, spinach, plantains, cocoa

and chocolate, ginger, almonds, cashews, garden sorrel, mustard greens, bell

peppers, sweet potatoes, soybeans, tomatillos, beets and beet greens, oats,

pumpkin, cabbage, green beans, mango, eggplant, tomatoes, lentils, and

parsnips.

 

Info for the preceding paragraph comes from the ARS Phytochemical

Database

 

 

I am doing more and more sprouting for greens, there is only so much raw

spinach I can eat. I mix it in a lot of stuff...fruit salad, sprout salad,

etc. I am also mixing a lot of sprouts in too. Working on it, anyways.

Thanks for the help, Peter. -Barbara

 

 

 

Yes, here,

 

I ate a lot of it and overall it was a good move. In transition it is

hard

to eat too much spinach.

 

Peter

 

 

Hi Thanks for the warning...I don't think I'm at the " huge amount " level

yet...I'm pretty new at this! lol Is there a place where I can find out

what would be too much spinach? -Barbara

 

 

I think I once got an overdose of oxalic acid on eating huge quantities

of

spinach!

I have forgotten what that did for me but I cut down on it thereafter

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Good Morning Everyone,

 

Happy Spring?? It is freezing here Thankyou Peter for your response and

suggestions. This body could use a good fast for many reasons though I don't

want to sharpen these taste buds too much now..ha. I always tear up my salad

into little pieces which makes those around me think I am nuerotic. I just tend

to like it that way. May I ask you what sort of fast would be best or does it

not matter? I am always reading about everyone eating lots of fruit, especially

for breakfast. I guess I could handle some of it a little bit but I do not think

everyday. I do have the mindset though that if I do choose to do something then

I will do it. Now I just need to rid my self of my coffee and cigs, mainly the

latter. Maybe a fast would assist in that one too. Sounds better then a putting

a straight jacket on me and sticking me in the closet for the month As for

the food, I am going to TRY and jot down what I consume to see what my body

likes. I don't eat your typical three meal day and if busy I don't need to eat

at all. Also, do you take any supplements at all? I am not currently but should

since I have an array of issues along with defiencies. I just detest taking

pills. Well, I suppose I need to work on this body of mine.

 

Thankyou so much again

Have a beautiful day

 

love and hugs,

Tone

 

 

Toni,

 

A fast will sharpen taste. My remark was just to warn about going overboard

on spinach. I think it is not a good idea to become too dependent on any

one food item. Just buy the dark coloured leaves which might even be deep

red as in cabbage.

There are lots of possibilities, kale, cabbage, masses of salads etc.

 

Occasionally I put vegetables through a cutter, That way I get more on a

plate, I chew less and it is less offensive to the meat eaters at the table.

On my own I usually just tear with my hands.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Tone,

 

It could be that I am just timid but the length of fast I have taken on

before tends to be twice the duration of the previous. I always to go in

with a day of juicing and exit on the same.

 

A fast relieves you of all craving. It shuts down the digestion. It is easy

to stop all addictions when on a fast. Just keep water, as close to

distilled as you can , eg Evian, and drink that if temptation comes.

 

On a fast I do not take any supplements at all. There is quite a lot to read

up on fasting but it can easily be found on a search engine. There are

doctors who no doubt rightly say that a fast should be supervised by a

doctor. The trouble is finding a doctor who knows anything about fasting.

I take the view that if I get into a mess with a fast then I would dump

myself on the medical profession. However that has never happened. If you

find yourself going dizzy then slow down but whatever happens avoid binging.

It can be outright dangerous on a fast.

 

There are many possible side effects but I have never suffered from any to a

significant degree.

 

Peter

 

 

Toni McCauley [tone102]

20 March 2004 14:31

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

 

Good Morning Everyone,

 

Happy Spring?? It is freezing here Thankyou Peter for your response and

suggestions. This body could use a good fast for many reasons though I don't

want to sharpen these taste buds too much now..ha. I always tear up my salad

into little pieces which makes those around me think I am nuerotic. I just

tend to like it that way. May I ask you what sort of fast would be best or

does it not matter? I am always reading about everyone eating lots of fruit,

especially for breakfast. I guess I could handle some of it a little bit but

I do not think everyday. I do have the mindset though that if I do choose to

do something then I will do it. Now I just need to rid my self of my coffee

and cigs, mainly the latter. Maybe a fast would assist in that one too.

Sounds better then a putting a straight jacket on me and sticking me in the

closet for the month As for the food, I am going to TRY and jot down what

I consume to see what my body likes. I don't eat your typical three meal day

and if busy I don't need to eat at all. Also, do you take any supplements at

all? I am not currently but should since I have an array of issues along

with defiencies. I just detest taking pills. Well, I suppose I need to work

on this body of mine.

 

Thankyou so much again

Have a beautiful day

 

love and hugs,

Tone

 

 

Toni,

 

A fast will sharpen taste. My remark was just to warn about going

overboard

on spinach. I think it is not a good idea to become too dependent on any

one food item. Just buy the dark coloured leaves which might even be deep

red as in cabbage.

There are lots of possibilities, kale, cabbage, masses of salads etc.

 

Occasionally I put vegetables through a cutter, That way I get more on a

plate, I chew less and it is less offensive to the meat eaters at the

table.

On my own I usually just tear with my hands.

 

Peter

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hello everyone again,

 

Peter, thanks again for your response and input. You seem to be very

level headed and if I am being an annoyance please do tell me. LOL You will not

be the first though I really am a kitten I wish I could say where but cannot,

but did read that distilled water should not be consumed. Is distilled,

distilled regardless of the type? Actually after my son used it to mix his vivid

antifreeze into his modded computer, I did not even think twice again. Evian is

distilled?? As I said I am hoping to conquer both addictions and a craving for

sweets though I try and not eat them. More so as I buy my son junk that I do not

favor. I am starting to try and drink more water though. I tend to reach for

that coffee each time I am thirsty and it adds up. Thank the Lord that I do not

like soft drinks much at all. Unfortunately, I do like rice milk. Maybe one day

I can try making nut milk. For now though I do not want to go crazy with all

kinds of nuts and raw sweets until my body transistions. I did that long ago

with Atkins with all the meat and crap that one could eat. Ugh..what was I

thinking! Well, my meat days are well behind me now.

As for the searching and such, I do that beyond and above. I am like a human

search machine. Just difficult when so many different things are being said.

Thankyou so much again.

 

Have a beautiful day

 

Love,

Tone

Tone,

 

It could be that I am just timid but the length of fast I have taken on

before tends to be twice the duration of the previous. I always to go in

with a day of juicing and exit on the same.

 

A fast relieves you of all craving. It shuts down the digestion. It is easy

to stop all addictions when on a fast. Just keep water, as close to

distilled as you can , eg Evian, and drink that if temptation comes.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks Tone for the comment,

 

There is a thesis I have read about distilled water being deficient but I

guess it is bullshit. When you are on a fast you just want to wash waste

away and keep water going through the kidneys. Normally the only water I

drink comes through fruit and so I do not bother myself with the qualities

of it. I am fairly convinced that mineral water is useless as minerals need

to be taken in plant form. That is all part of nature's great plan. The

plants dig down to get the minerals and deliver them. We do not need to run

about adding to them. Cravings also go down with eating green leaves.

 

Peter

 

 

Toni McCauley [tone102]

20 March 2004 21:54

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

 

Hello everyone again,

 

Peter, thanks again for your response and input. You seem to be very

level headed and if I am being an annoyance please do tell me. LOL You will

not be the first though I really am a kitten I wish I could say where but

cannot, but did read that distilled water should not be consumed. Is

distilled, distilled regardless of the type? Actually after my son used it

to mix his vivid antifreeze into his modded computer, I did not even think

twice again. Evian is distilled?? As I said I am hoping to conquer both

addictions and a craving for sweets though I try and not eat them. More so

as I buy my son junk that I do not favor. I am starting to try and drink

more water though. I tend to reach for that coffee each time I am thirsty

and it adds up. Thank the Lord that I do not like soft drinks much at all.

Unfortunately, I do like rice milk. Maybe one day I can try making nut milk.

For now though I do not want to go crazy with all kinds of nuts and raw

sweets until my body transistions. I did that long ago with Atkins with all

the meat and crap that one could eat. Ugh..what was I thinking! Well, my

meat days are well behind me now. As for the searching and such, I do that

beyond and above. I am like a human search machine. Just difficult when so

many different things are being said. Thankyou so much again.

 

Have a beautiful day

 

Love,

Tone

Tone,

 

It could be that I am just timid but the length of fast I have taken on

before tends to be twice the duration of the previous. I always to go in

with a day of juicing and exit on the same.

 

A fast relieves you of all craving. It shuts down the digestion. It is

easy

to stop all addictions when on a fast. Just keep water, as close to

distilled as you can , eg Evian, and drink that if temptation comes.

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:26 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

Thanks Tone for the comment,

 

There is a thesis I have read about distilled water being deficient but I

guess it is bullshit.

 

Hello Peter,

 

Glad to hear back from you. OK, so regular distilled water is good or best

to go with the Evian you mentioned. I tend to drink any kind of bottled water as

long as it is not tap. Perhaps I should be more choosy. Maybe with warm weather

ahead (hopefully) I can re-teach my taste buds to like some fruits. Any

suggestions on those what is best?

OH and am I driving you crazy yet?

 

Thanks so much

Hugs,

Tone xo

 

 

[Guest guest]

Tone,

 

On a fast the distilled is best; Evian is cheaper and good enough.

 

I also think the distinction is tiny

 

Peter

 

 

Toni McCauley [tone102]

21 March 2004 10:46

rawfood

Re: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

 

 

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Sunday, March 21, 2004 4:26 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

Thanks Tone for the comment,

 

There is a thesis I have read about distilled water being deficient but I

guess it is bullshit.

 

Hello Peter,

 

Glad to hear back from you. OK, so regular distilled water is good or

best to go with the Evian you mentioned. I tend to drink any kind of bottled

water as long as it is not tap. Perhaps I should be more choosy. Maybe with

warm weather ahead (hopefully) I can re-teach my taste buds to like some

fruits. Any suggestions on those what is best?

OH and am I driving you crazy yet?

 

Thanks so much

Hugs,

Tone xo

 

 

[Guest guest]

-

Peter Gardiner

rawfood

Sunday, March 21, 2004 5:27 AM

RE: [Raw Food] Re: Iceberg terrible for you??(alternatives?)

 

 

Tone,

 

On a fast the distilled is best; Evian is cheaper and good enough.

 

I also think the distinction is tiny

 

 

a.. Peter, Thankyou so much for the info. I trust what you are saying. I did

a search for the heck of it on distilled water and of course came up with

horrors. Dr. Mercola tends to be first on the list to oppose distilled water.

Death? lol

b.. Ok I will drink it but if you don't hear from this little pesty kitten

again then you know why

Thankyou so much again

 

Hugs,

Tone