Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Hi girls, I have got no menses and that's a huge problem for me as I would like to have a baby. It stopped 10 years ago when I had a lot of stress, did a lot of exercises and was on a low fat diet. Have been eating raw for 4 years now but still no period. Sometimes I doubt if it is the right diet for me to become fertile again, I'm not very big, 1,67 m, 45 Kg or 5,4 feet, 99 pound. Is it a normal wight for a raw foodist women? Do other women with a low body wight still get their period? Does anybody else has got experience with loosing and regaining a normal menstrual cycle? What can I do to get my period back and increase fertility on a raw diet? I'm very greatful for every information and every experience you want to share Leo > Hollie wrote: > > > > Do you honestly consider that we were meant to bleed for days every > month ? > > Yes. > > > I think perhaps we were meant to bleed a little, for a day or two > > Apparently we agree. > > > ------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Hi Leo, I am 160 cm / 44 kg. Still having periods, since being fruitarian without any pain and lighter, even I do sometimes exceptions within the frontiers of vegetarianism. Being just raw foodist I always felt pains the first day. One women eating " normal " told me that she was in her young age after 2 children even 42 kg, without any pain or problem,wiht total regular periods, and than gave birth even to the 3rd child. Nothing is just black or white... Katarina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 Ina Warburg wrote: > What can I do to get my > period back and increase fertility on a raw diet? Well, off the top of my head I'd say eat more calories. Eat more, richer foods. You maybe should consult your doctor about that. You may have a deeper medical problem. Good luck, Laura Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 In my experience, after going raw vegan, my menstruation became very regular and then gradually disappeared. Fertility became very heightened. Fortunately, I'm celibate now, lol. However, women have conceived without ever having menstruated. I was the typical skinny raw vegan when first going raw. That thinness came from lack of absorption. During my long fast, my body repaired my lack of absorption of nutrients, and I was able to gain weight. I began raw eating, with two fruit meals, and one salad meal per day. Now I eat one fruit meal, and one salad meal, most days, and that is basically what I eat. I eat nuts/seeds or avocado with my salad meal usually. If one is very thin, one may need to increase the quantity of food one is eating. Also, there are other factors in health that one needs to observe, besides raw food. I will post an article by Dr. Graham which addresses this subject. If one observes the factors of health, such as adequate rest, sunshine, constant fresh air, exercise, low stress, in addition to eating our compatible diet, then health results. All animals in Nature are fertile throughout their lives, humans are no different. When we regain our health, fertility should result. Zsuzsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 rawfood , ToolPackinMama <laura@l...> wrote: >The anti-woman disgust in such a claim seems pretty obvious. It's >an insult to the entire female sex to class normal mentrual flow as >a " hemorrage " , IMHO. Laura Implying that female raw foodists who explain their reasoning behind lack of menstruation as being " Anti-woman disgust " is extremely harsh. Not quite sure how to respond to that. Lili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 13, 2004 Report Share Posted April 13, 2004 rawfood , " southladogs " <southladogs> wrote: >Ah, the universal mantra, that one should " see a doctor " . However, >I have opted out of following the medical paradigm. There is no >problem, when menstruation ceases naturally, quite the opposite, it >was the pathological condition of toxemia which was the problem. The >solution of the body was menstruation. When the toxemic condition >ceases sufficiently, so does menstruation. I fear that if and when >menstruation ceases naturally for many of the women who are raw, >they will go running to the doctor, who will probably talk them out >of being raw, out of being truly healthy. Zsuzsa I'm still reasearching the valuable information posted the last few days so I've yet to form a definite opinion concerning lack of menstruation and raw foodism. However, it does strike me as odd how many willingly obtain various forms of birth control, such as the Norplant, despite the fact that doctors explain their menstruation could cease completely while utilizing them. Many women have had the norplant for years without having a monthly flow. Yet, lack of menstruation caused by adopting a natural lifestyle change(raw foodism) which improves health in every other manner is questioned if the monthly blood flow stops. Very odd. I will say, if my menstruation stops and I feel great and their doesn't appear to be any underlying medical reasons, I say good riddance...lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Hi Katarina, thanks for your encouraging words. For me it is very important to know that a women can be fertile even on a low body weight. I'm so fed up with the constant pressure of gaining weight. Would you mind telling me how you eat, perhaps I have to improve my diet. love and peace Leo Katarína Hviezdarková wrote: > Hi Leo, > > I am 160 cm / 44 kg. Still having periods, since being fruitarian > without any pain and lighter, even I do sometimes exceptions within > the frontiers of vegetarianism. Being just raw foodist I always felt > pains the first day. > > One women eating " normal " told me that she was in her young age > after 2 children even 42 kg, without any pain or problem,wiht total > regular periods, and than gave birth even to the 3rd child. > > Nothing is just black or white... > > Katarina > > > > ------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Hi Laura, that's what people usually tell me. But I'm sick and tired of trying to gain weight. All winter I ate like an eating machine, all the food in my body made me feel heavy and sick, I even was ill, had high fever a couple of times. All the trouble but my weight almost didn't change. Was always sick after I gained a bit and couldn't eat at all. I would love to relax and just eat how I want. Don't like the thought that we have to have a lot of body fat to be fertile. How about animals. They are quite skinny and haven't got problems. Ina ToolPackinMama wrote: > Ina Warburg wrote: > > > What can I do to get my > > period back and increase fertility on a raw diet? > > Well, off the top of my head I'd say eat more calories. Eat more, > richer foods. > > You maybe should consult your doctor about that. You may have a deeper > medical problem. > > Good luck, > > Laura > > > ------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Hi Zsuzsa How do you know that you ovulate if you haven't got a menstruation? Leo southladogs wrote: > In my experience, after going raw vegan, my menstruation became very > regular and then gradually disappeared. Fertility became very > heightened. Fortunately, I'm celibate now, lol. However, women have > conceived without ever having menstruated. > > I was the typical skinny raw vegan when first going raw. That > thinness came from lack of absorption. During my long fast, my body > repaired my lack of absorption of nutrients, and I was able to gain > weight. > > I began raw eating, with two fruit meals, and one salad meal per > day. Now I eat one fruit meal, and one salad meal, most days, and > that is basically what I eat. I eat nuts/seeds or avocado with my > salad meal usually. > > If one is very thin, one may need to increase the quantity of food > one is eating. Also, there are other factors in health that one > needs to observe, besides raw food. I will post an article by Dr. > Graham which addresses this subject. > > If one observes the factors of health, such as adequate rest, > sunshine, constant fresh air, exercise, low stress, in addition to > eating our compatible diet, then health results. All animals in > Nature are fertile throughout their lives, humans are no different. > When we regain our health, fertility should result. > > Zsuzsa > > > > ------ > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 In a message dated 4/16/2004 7:05:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, BRIKSHALAL writes: we have some women in Nepal of your Ht with 40 to 45 kg of wt who have few chilkderns.my youngest sister is 41kg and have three children,it is possible as long as one is in normal health. Hi, I just wanted to comment that I am 5'8 " and only weigh 103 pounds and am in my 4th month of pregnancy. This is my second child. When I first changed my diet~off grains, dairy and sugars, I dropped to 93 pounds but have gradually gained some back as I've made positive changes to my diet. Regardless of my weight, my health has DRAMATICALLY improved with my diet changes. I am now 100% raw and feel even better everyday! Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 16, 2004 Report Share Posted April 16, 2004 Hi Leo we have some women in Nepal of your Ht with 40 to 45 kg of wt who have few chilkderns.my youngest sister is 41kg and have three children,it is possible as long as one is in normal health. mahendra --- Ina Warburg <ina.warburg wrote: > Hi Katarina, > > thanks for your encouraging words. For me it is very > important to know > that a women can be fertile even on a low body > weight. I'm so fed up > with the constant pressure of gaining weight. Would > you mind telling me > how you eat, perhaps I have to improve my diet. > > love and peace > Leo > > Katarína Hviezdarková wrote: > > Hi Leo, > > > > I am 160 cm / 44 kg. Still having periods, since > being fruitarian > > without any pain and lighter, even I do sometimes > exceptions within > > the frontiers of vegetarianism. Being just raw > foodist I always felt > > pains the first day. > > > > One women eating " normal " told me that she was in > her young age > > after 2 children even 42 kg, without any pain or > problem,wiht total > > regular periods, and than gave birth even to the > 3rd child. > > > > Nothing is just black or white... > > > > Katarina > > > > > > > > > ------ > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2004 Report Share Posted April 17, 2004 I think of you should ask Jinjee at info about her periods, the amount of blood flow, the length of Menstruation periods the before she ate raw and after she eats raw. Other members of the group would also like to know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2004 Report Share Posted April 17, 2004 Ina, The human body is not as stupid as people are. It does not build muscles for a body that is not exercised. If you want to gain weight then take more exercise and do not expect quick results either. Peter Ina Warburg [ina.warburg] 16 April 2004 19:59 rawfood Re: [Raw Food] Menstruation Hi Laura, that's what people usually tell me. But I'm sick and tired of trying to gain weight. All winter I ate like an eating machine, all the food in my body made me feel heavy and sick, I even was ill, had high fever a couple of times. All the trouble but my weight almost didn't change. Was always sick after I gained a bit and couldn't eat at all. I would love to relax and just eat how I want. Don't like the thought that we have to have a lot of body fat to be fertile. How about animals. They are quite skinny and haven't got problems. Ina ToolPackinMama wrote: > Ina Warburg wrote: > > > What can I do to get my > > period back and increase fertility on a raw diet? > > Well, off the top of my head I'd say eat more calories. Eat more, > richer foods. > > You maybe should consult your doctor about that. You may have a > deeper medical problem. > > Good luck, > > Laura > > > ---- > -- > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 17, 2004 Report Share Posted April 17, 2004 rawfood , " Peter Gardiner " <petergardiner@e...> wrote: >It does not build muscles for a body that is not exercised. If you >want to gain weight then take more exercise and do not expect quick >results either. Peter this is an excellent point. It took me a while to realize that the scale is a liar. Scale weight is not as important as muscle to fat ratios. Often those who appear too small are simply lacking muscle. The only way to increase muscle mass is through exercise...preferably weight training, though there are other exercise choices which will increase muscle mass. Contrary to what many believe....weight training does not cause women to bulk and appear masculine, it does just the opposite. It's possible to change your entire body shape and size while weight training without the scale ever budging. Lili Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 This amazes me. May I ask for a primary example of what you eat on a daily basis? I want to get an idea of how you eat - like what foods and stuff. Do you do 3 meals a day or something different? Do you eat just raw foods one at a time, or menu-type meals? Do you do the eat what your body tells you thing, or eat food because you know you need to eat? I have a ton of questions, but will start with these. Mel rawfood , " southladogs " <southladogs> wrote: I fear that if and when > menstruation ceases naturally for many of the women who are raw, > they will go running to the doctor, who will probably talk them out > of being raw, out of being truly healthy. > > Zsuzsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 Mahendra and Sandy, thanks a lot for your post. On this board it's the first time that I find people who think fertility is not all about weight and body fat percentage. Mahendra, the women you are talking about, do they eat normally (have no idea what a normal diet consist of in Nepal). Do they menstruate? Sandy, congratulations, thats great that you are pregnant. Someday I would love to be in this special situation as well. Perhaps you can help me to see a bit clearer. Did you get your period with the low body weight, have you been on the raw diet before, while getting pregnant? Would you please tell me what you eat normally, how much and also how often. Thanks again and take care love Ina FITJUNKIE wrote: > In a message dated 4/16/2004 7:05:57 PM Eastern Standard Time, > BRIKSHALAL writes: > we have some women in Nepal of your Ht with 40 to 45 > kg of wt who have few chilkderns.my youngest sister is > 41kg and have three children,it is possible as long as > one is in normal health. > Hi, > I just wanted to comment that I am 5'8 " and only weigh 103 pounds and am in > my 4th month of pregnancy. This is my second child. When I first > changed my > diet~off grains, dairy and sugars, I dropped to 93 pounds but have > gradually > gained some back as I've made positive changes to my diet. Regardless > of my > weight, my health has DRAMATICALLY improved with my diet changes. I am > now 100% > raw and feel even better everyday! > > Sandy > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 18, 2004 Report Share Posted April 18, 2004 In a message dated 4/18/2004 4:54:29 PM Eastern Standard Time, ina.warburg writes: Did you get your period with the low body weight, have you been on the raw diet before, while getting pregnant? Would you please tell me what you eat normally, how much and also how often. Hi Ina~ I would love to share all I can with you. I am new to the raw diet so I'm not sure how it would relate. I've always had a period and I've always been very underweight. I grew up in a home on the healthy side of things. I was never given sugar or artificial sweeteners, colors etc. My Mom did the best she could at feeding our family with what she knew to be healthy. Even though I grew up on a lot of carrot sticks, I also grew up high protein~lots of cheese, eggs, milk (I never drank water until the last couple of years) and of course meat. I always had a low immune system and was generally a weak kid. My period started at age 14 and I was always a 7 day period girl and never missed one. I went on birth control pills when I got married at age 26. I got deathly ill after taking them for 3 years upon which I finally figured out it was the pill and not some mental stress disorder like the doctors said. My periods were down to about 4 days on the pill. I weighed 115 (5'8 " ) at my highest weight. After graduating from school (with 3 health/nutrition degrees) I got pregnant for the first time without really trying. I had been off birth control for nearly 2 years but was still in school~so highly stressed and not really trying to get pregnant~however no form of BC was used. During my pregnancy I ate very high protein based on the Brewer's diet associated with the Bradley form of Natural Childbirth. And then my life completely changed~not that having a baby doesn't just change you on it's own~but after my son was born, my entire body just shut down. I blamed it on my weight~I always blamed my poor health on my weight. I thought if I could just gain weight I would be healthy and after stuffing myself full of protein and trash food for 9 months so I wouldn't have a low birth weight baby, I realized my health wasn't related to my low weight necessarily. I gained a whoppin 60+ pounds during my pregnancy. I was so proud of my new body and the midwifes didn't say anything because I had been so " underweight " before. Now I was a new mother and nursing, came down with a very severe case of systemic candida and forced to go on a diet that I had never heard about with all my nutritional wisdom. I felt very helpless. I had severe immune function impairment and life was very hard. So one step led to another and I changed my diet completely. I went from 172 pounds (pregnant) to 93 pounds~nursing (still not raw at this point). I gave up wheat and most grains, dairy, all forms of sugar, sweet fruit, any non-organic foods, fermented foods, anything that contained vinegar, etc. ~all the typical yeast diet stuff. I was 93 pounds for atleast a year before i started gaining back. I'm not sure when or where it happened, it just slowly crept back on until I was 103 where I am today. My periods did not return until my son was 19 months old (still nursing). They were rougly 5 days in length. During this time I had read Taking Charge of Your Fertility by Toni Weschler (http://www.tcoyf.com) so I knew more about my cycle and what was going on with it. I skipped a couple periods after that one and then they came back regularly. I traveled alot last fall and it was very hard to stick to my diet (still anti-candida, not raw). We were also in the process of moving and so I gave it up for a few weeks. Once I got settled in my new home and knew where the health food store was that I could depend on, I started back up on my diet. I also wanted to have my hormones tested since I had read some of Dr. Lee's work and sensed a progesterone and possible cortisol issue. So I had the complete panel done through ZRT (http://www.salivatest.com) last December. My results were bad. All my hormones were extremely low. Everything except cortisol which is high in the evenings. They suggested Adrenal Fatigue~which I kinda already knew. So after looking into different things to take and do, I felt my body being led into a fast. So I started a water and lemon fast and went for 3 days in January. This directly led my body into the raw diet. I had bought one of David Wolfe's books and had started browsing through it. It seemed like the next natural transition. I knew I needed to give up the extra starches I had been eating and the meat~they were just slowing down my digestive tract and causing more candida issues. So I just became 100% raw in January after my fast. And it turns out that I had gotten pregnant on the 3rd day of my cleanse/fast. I had been charting so I knew. I had thought that it might be impossible with my low hormones but either it wasn't or the fast helped to stabilize them. I think my low weight and energy has been from lack of absorption of my nutrients. I think my basement membrane has been pretty clogged from my high protein life. Eating raw has been wonderful even though I have just begun and still feel that I don't know a whole lot. I definately have changed my way of thinking since what I was taught in school (you don't even want to know ) So now I am studying to get my doctorate in naturopathy and learn what the real truth is. I always thought my dizziness and low blood sugar attacks were due to my low weight but now I know the truth! My body will gain as I heal and it becomes more efficient at using the nutrients. As I have more energy than I will be able to exercise more and will have a healthier body and possibly some weight gain (not fat~lean tissue!) So now~ I eat only fruit for breakfast~either whole or in my blender. Sometimes I add some flax oil or coconut oil to my smoothies or have apple avocado butter (Ann Wigmore's recipe). I just eat until I'm comfortably full (normally 3-4 fruits or 32 oz smoothie). Lunch is normally almond butter on sprouted bread and possibly saurkraut. Dinner is my salad~HUGE! About 8 cups~greens, non-sweet fruits, oils, soaked nuts, sprouts, olives and avocado, sea vegetables,etc. (I also got this out of Ann Wigmore's book~I think it is called the complete meal salad or something like that). Then if I still want something which I normally don't I will juice a veggie blend. Sometimes I skip my typical lunch and eat my salad for lunch and have a huge 18 ounce veggie juice for dinner. If I have snacks, they are normally the raw flax crax or dried fruits or something like that. Like I said I am just starting. I have a blender that is about to die~a cheap juicer off of QVC that my Mom bought for me and that is it. I don't have a food processor or dehydrator so right now I am just eating what is available! It is working for me. I feel stronger than ever and have been able to do pregnancy yoga through my pregnancy so far! My candida issues are under control so I am looking forward to a much healthier birth this time around! I hope that helps~sorry so long~ask if you have more questions! Sandy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 19, 2004 Report Share Posted April 19, 2004 --- Lili <ladyschaumburg wrote: > rawfood , " southladogs " > <southladogs> > wrote: > However, it does strike> me as odd how > many willingly obtain various forms of birth control, > such as the > Norplant, despite the fact that doctors explain their> menstruation > could cease completely while utilizing them. Many> women have had the > norplant for years without having a monthly flow. Yet, > lack of > menstruation caused by adopting a natural lifestyle change(raw foodism) which improves health in every other manner is questioned if > the monthly blood flow stops. Very odd. Hello list First of all, the reason contraceptive pills, patches and implants work is because they contain pregnancy hormones which trick the female endocrine system into believing the body is in a pregnant state. All such methods of birth control are issued with all kinds of warnings of who should and should not use them and they should not be used for excessively long periods of time by anyone without taking a break from them. For those who think human females don't need to menstruate because all other mammals don't do so need to research the estrus cycles of other species an see if you would rather put up with that. For instance, canines who do not become pregnant during their receptive period do not shed their uterine lining because progesterone levels remain high for the entire length of a normal canine gestational period. So pregnant or not, the canine uterus continues to be bombarded with pregnancy hormones for most of an adult female's lifetime. This is why the incidence of pyometra (quick and deadly uterine infection)and false pregnancy symptoms are so high in canines. Perhaps menstruation is an advancement over this option of keeping a uterus in a near constant pregnancy state, and offers a more years of a healthier reproductive life in a species in which so many years of maternal investment in rearing its young is required. Here are some more links with thoughts on the why of menstruation: http://www.cwhn.ca/resources/menstruation/obsolete.html http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/1996-11/UoM-WWBU-071196.php I really agree that menstruation should not be profuse and problematic. And I do agree that diet and contaminants in the environment are to blame. But I do not think it should be presented on a list like this that cessation of menstruation should be a benefit or normal byproduct of eating a totally raw diet. Just because a few have experienced this does not mean that it could not be a serious problem for some other reader who may just coincidentally experience it. I really wish there were some definite controlled studies out there or something on the horizon because you cannot just hang your hat and your health on theories. There has to be some concrete observations and studies before you can even come remotely close to stating something as a truth. If there are some controlled studies out there, I would welcome someone pointing me to them. Kate Photos: High-quality 4x6 digital prints for 25¢ ph/print_splash Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2004 Report Share Posted April 25, 2004 Ina the normal diet in nepal is cooked rice and lentil with vegtable and fruits.the woman i was talking eats normal nepali diet, but they don`t eat a lot and all the time.they are physically very active, and live very simple and stress free life.yes! they have regular mentruation. mahendra --- Ina Warburg <ina.warburg wrote: > Mahendra and Sandy, thanks a lot for your post. On > this board it's the > first time that I find people who think fertility is > not all about > weight and body fat percentage. > Mahendra, the women you are talking about, do they > eat normally (have no > idea what a normal diet consist of in Nepal). Do > they menstruate? > Sandy, congratulations, thats great that you are > pregnant. > Someday I would love to be in this special situation > as well. > Perhaps you can help me to see a bit clearer. Did > you get your period > with the low body weight, have you been on the raw > diet before, while > getting pregnant? > Would you please tell me what you eat normally, how > much and also how often. > > Thanks again and take care > love > Ina > > > FITJUNKIE wrote: > > In a message dated 4/16/2004 7:05:57 PM Eastern > Standard Time, > > BRIKSHALAL writes: > > we have some women in Nepal of your Ht with 40 to > 45 > > kg of wt who have few chilkderns.my youngest > sister is > > 41kg and have three children,it is possible as > long as > > one is in normal health. > > Hi, > > I just wanted to comment that I am 5'8 " and only > weigh 103 pounds and am in > > my 4th month of pregnancy. This is my second > child. When I first > > changed my > > diet~off grains, dairy and sugars, I dropped to 93 > pounds but have > > gradually > > gained some back as I've made positive changes to > my diet. Regardless > > of my > > weight, my health has DRAMATICALLY improved with > my diet changes. I am > > now 100% > > raw and feel even better everyday! > > > > Sandy > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > > > > > * Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2004 Report Share Posted May 17, 2004 rawfood , " C. Hudson " <cremedemoka> wrote: > I really agree that menstruation should not be profuse > and problematic. So who is the arbiter of whether menstruation is profuse and problematic? I will submit that all menstruation is profuse and problematic, and that if people are going to pick and choose the amount of hemorrhaging they consider acceptable, then I would choose zero. But of course, it is not for us to arbitrarily decide whether or not to menstruate, and how much and when. It is the body which decides, in its infinite wisdom, and in optimal health, it of course chooses not to hemorrhage. > And I do agree that diet and > contaminants in the environment are to blame. But I do > not think it should be presented on a list like this > that cessation of menstruation should be a benefit or > normal byproduct of eating a totally raw diet. Just > because a few have experienced this does not mean that > it could not be a serious problem for some other reader > who may just coincidentally experience it. It does need to be presented. I realize it's difficult for some people to grasp, especially since so many find it difficult or impossible to let go of their allegiance to the medics. Women need to know that hemorrhaging generally stops, when a certain degree of health is achieved, when women have been raw vegan for a period of time. If women wish to run to the medics at that point, it is their choice, and to assume that lack of hemorrhage is " a serious problem " . But I believe one cannot serve two masters--one either follows the path of health, of which raw vegan food is a part, and one becomes healthy; or else one goes running to the medics who will drug them and cut out body parts, which are the modalities of the medical paradigm. The two are incompatible. And actually, if one is determined to hemorrhage, one does not need to resort to putting oneself under the control of the medics. It's much simpler, just revert to eating cooked foods, and the hemorrhaging (menstruation) will start up again. > I really > wish there were some definite controlled studies out > there or something on the horizon because you cannot > just hang your hat and your health on theories. There > has to be some concrete observations and studies before > you can even come remotely close to stating something as > a truth. If there are some controlled studies out > there, I would welcome someone pointing me to them. I don't hang my hat on theories, I trust my body and my experience, and the experience of others. I certainly trust them above " studies " . What are these " studies " and why are there no " studies " of raw vegans? " Studies " are part of the medical profession, which does " studies " which are going to sell drugs and services, they set out to " prove " something which will benefit them. Do not make the mistake of thinking that " studies " are somehow objective or for the benefit of the world or to contribute to knowledge. There will probably never be any medical " studies " of raw vegans, unless it's to try to discredit raw veganism, since there is no vested interest to fund them, and no drug or operation to be " proven " beneficial from them, no potential or real financial gain. Zsuzsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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