Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Hello everyone, I just joined the group although I have been reading all of the e-mails my mom gets for a while now. ( Mary Ellen is my mother.) I am 19, married to a man that would rather shoot himself in the head than eat a raw fruit or vegtable, and I have an ornary little 1 year old. ( Hebe Punky) I have the same story as her when it comes to how I became a raw vegan. I started out just a vegetarian and then became a vegan and then just a few weeks ago, a " raw " vegan. I do not have quite as much will power as my mommy though and I had a piece of pizza the other night. I felt horrible about it and I'm sure I won't be doing it again. I had my husband and his horrible mother telling me that if I eat so good then how could one little piece of pizza hurt anything... I hadn't eaten pizza in so long and with them taunting me, I gave in. IT TOTALLY WASN " T WORTH IT!! I felt guilty all night and all the next day. Does anyone else do this? My mom is like " Mrs Will Power " and would never do such a thing. ( Oh the look of horror she gave me when I told her) I live in Ohio, I could never live away from my mom, she is the FUNNIEST person ever! I really want to live in a warm place like California or something though, where there is always a plethera of fresh fruits and veggies available. I really dislike Ohio. BORING! I joined the group so that maybe I will have more support and hopefully won't have another pizza incident!! ThanX! -Angie _______________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Stay with it Angie, In a bar, a discussion about alcoholics will go down like a lead balloon. Same with people on a standard diet. They are addicted to the stuff and do not even know it. It is cultural to discuss food, score points, share and all sorts at the table. It is a tough problem. I find the best is to keep the subject off food but if it is forced, give a little better than you get like " Have another dead, decomposing, little fury animal to feed all those microbes nagging you. Then change the subject. Next time the subject comes up say something about constipation and food putrefying in the gut after 36 hours of course for meat that can sit in the gut for five days and more with a stink... and change the subject. Gradually you will gain the high ground and people will accept you and keep off jokes about rabbit food. When that one comes up I bang on about bird food as that is what grains are. I suppose each to his own method but I have abandoned the scorn and silly justifications of other about the nutritional value of cooked mixed-up food, long ago and seldom get bothered by it any more. I notice that towards the end of a dinner party the meat eater are half asleep. Hope this helps Peter Angie Sines [momofhebe] 07 April 2004 16:26 Rawfood [Raw Food] Intro (Angie) Hello everyone, I just joined the group although I have been reading all of the e-mails my mom gets for a while now. ( Mary Ellen is my mother.) I am 19, married to a man that would rather shoot himself in the head than eat a raw fruit or vegtable, and I have an ornary little 1 year old. ( Hebe Punky) I have the same story as her when it comes to how I became a raw vegan. I started out just a vegetarian and then became a vegan and then just a few weeks ago, a " raw " vegan. I do not have quite as much will power as my mommy though and I had a piece of pizza the other night. I felt horrible about it and I'm sure I won't be doing it again. I had my husband and his horrible mother telling me that if I eat so good then how could one little piece of pizza hurt anything... I hadn't eaten pizza in so long and with them taunting me, I gave in. IT TOTALLY WASN " T WORTH IT!! I felt guilty all night and all the next day. Does anyone else do this? My mom is like " Mrs Will Power " and would never do such a thing. ( Oh the look of horror she gave me when I told her) I live in Ohio, I could never live away from my mom, she is the FUNNIEST person ever! I really want to live in a warm place like California or something though, where there is always a plethera of fresh fruits and veggies available. I really dislike Ohio. BORING! I joined the group so that maybe I will have more support and hopefully won't have another pizza incident!! ThanX! -Angie _______________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 7, 2004 Report Share Posted April 7, 2004 Welcome Angie! This is Angie's mom and I just want to say what a wonderful person Angie really is! She is a great mom to my granddaughter and she makes the best salads every single day and shares them with me. Oh! And she makes these really yummy almond butter balls that are " raw " . She brings alot of joy to my life with her vivacious personality and her words of encouragement. I just love her to pieces! Of course, I'm prejudice, giving birth to her and all. he he he. Peace, ~*~Mary Ellen~*~ - Angie Sines Rawfood Wednesday, April 07, 2004 10:25 AM [Raw Food] Intro (Angie) Hello everyone, I just joined the group although I have been reading all of the e-mails my mom gets for a while now. ( Mary Ellen is my mother.) I am 19, married to a man that would rather shoot himself in the head than eat a raw fruit or vegtable, and I have an ornary little 1 year old. ( Hebe Punky) I have the same story as her when it comes to how I became a raw vegan. I started out just a vegetarian and then became a vegan and then just a few weeks ago, a " raw " vegan. I do not have quite as much will power as my mommy though and I had a piece of pizza the other night. I felt horrible about it and I'm sure I won't be doing it again. I had my husband and his horrible mother telling me that if I eat so good then how could one little piece of pizza hurt anything... I hadn't eaten pizza in so long and with them taunting me, I gave in. IT TOTALLY WASN " T WORTH IT!! I felt guilty all night and all the next day. Does anyone else do this? My mom is like " Mrs Will Power " and would never do such a thing. ( Oh the look of horror she gave me when I told her) I live in Ohio, I could never live away from my mom, she is the FUNNIEST person ever! I really want to live in a warm place like California or something though, where there is always a plethera of fresh fruits and veggies available. I really dislike Ohio. BORING! I joined the group so that maybe I will have more support and hopefully won't have another pizza incident!! ThanX! -Angie _______________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 Welcome Angie.... and share that recipe your Mom just told us about! peace nikki Welcome Angie! This is Angie's mom and I just want to say what a wonderful person Angie really is! She is a great mom to my granddaughter and she makes the best salads every single day and shares them with me. Oh! And she makes these really yummy almond butter balls that are " raw " . She brings alot of joy to my life with her vivacious personality and her words of encouragement. I just love her to pieces! Of course, I'm prejudice, giving birth to her and all. he he he. Peace, ~*~Mary Ellen~*~ --- Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.618 / Virus Database: 397 - Release 3/9/2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 give a little better than you get >like " Have another dead, decomposing, little fury animal to feed all those >microbes nagging you. Then change the subject. Next time the subject comes >up say something about constipation and food putrefying in the gut after 36 >hours of course for meat that can sit in the gut for five days and more >with >a stink... and change the subject. Peter, This is great stuff!! I cannot wait to use this on my mother in law who thinks that I am " depriving " her little grand-daughter of nourishment by giving her only raw foods. She is really one to talk about nourishment, when my husband was a baby he was allergic to formula, so she gave him jello packets mixed with water!! Now I don't know everything about nutrition, but I'm pretty sure that that is not good!! I think I might print out what you wrote and hang it on my wall for her to read, over and over. Thanx alot!! -Angie _______________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar – get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2004 Report Share Posted April 8, 2004 Standard meat eater think you get no proteins from vegetables. What they do not know is that proteins from meat can be broken down into amino acids and then built into proteins suitable for the human body. This of course is a whole lot of work for the body and a load on the pancreas. Green vegetables have all the essential amino acids of which there are eight or nine and the body can make the rest. The only item that springs to mind to watch and watch it carefully is Vitamin B12. Whilst some people obtain it from the food they eat and even make it themselves, others do not. B12 is a sort of fungus which is only needed in the smallest quantities. A bad deficiency can build up in a child and cause serious nerve and brain damage. The answer is to get a blood check about once a year to make sure and obviously get a supplement if need be. After a few years you should get to know where you and your children stand. Peter. Try adding " cuddly " and " lambkins " for variety Angie Sines [momofhebe] 08 April 2004 13:56 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Intro (Angie) give a little better than you get >like " Have another dead, decomposing, little fury animal to feed all >those microbes nagging you. Then change the subject. Next time the >subject comes up say something about constipation and food putrefying >in the gut after 36 hours of course for meat that can sit in the gut >for five days and more with a stink... and change the subject. Peter, This is great stuff!! I cannot wait to use this on my mother in law who thinks that I am " depriving " her little grand-daughter of nourishment by giving her only raw foods. She is really one to talk about nourishment, when my husband was a baby he was allergic to formula, so she gave him jello packets mixed with water!! Now I don't know everything about nutrition, but I'm pretty sure that that is not good!! I think I might print out what you wrote and hang it on my wall for her to read, over and over. Thanx alot!! -Angie _______________ FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar - get it now! http://toolbar.msn.com/go/onm00200415ave/direct/01/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Peter, I read somewhere that you can get enough B12 if you don't wash your veggies before you wash them. ( Only if they're organic, or home-grown.) Is this true? Do have any other suggestions of how too keep enough B12 in a child? I don't want Hebe to get brain damage, I've grown quite found of her the way she is. The article I was reading the other day was about how bad the raw food diet is and how we NEED animal products, but I know that this isn't true. It was a very scary article and it made me want to eat some cheese or something!!! But yeah that's what it was about, B12 deficency. There was people that used to be on the raw food diet saying how really bad things happened to their children from the lack of B12 and that they would never go back to the diet agian!! I guess too bad for them. -Angie > >The only item that springs to mind to watch and watch it carefully is >Vitamin B12. Whilst some people obtain it from the food they eat and even >make it themselves, others do not. B12 is a sort of fungus which is only >needed in the smallest quantities. A bad deficiency can build up in a child >and cause serious nerve and brain damage. The answer is to get a blood >check about once a year to make sure and obviously get a supplement if need >be. After a few years you should get to know where you and your children >stand. > >Peter. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Angie, I think the musk on grapes has B12 and it settles on plants. Such makes washing everything a sure fire way of missing out on this source. Sometimes I wonder what things are grown in but I tend not to bother washing most of what I eat. I think that with a child there are more risks than for adults. I think people tend to worry too much about germs. Others are free to disagree. Peter Angie Sines [momofhebe] 09 April 2004 14:45 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Intro (Angie) Peter, I read somewhere that you can get enough B12 if you don't wash your veggies before you wash them. ( Only if they're organic, or home-grown.) Is this true? Do have any other suggestions of how too keep enough B12 in a child? I don't want Hebe to get brain damage, I've grown quite found of her the way she is. The article I was reading the other day was about how bad the raw food diet is and how we NEED animal products, but I know that this isn't true. It was a very scary article and it made me want to eat some cheese or something!!! But yeah that's what it was about, B12 deficency. There was people that used to be on the raw food diet saying how really bad things happened to their children from the lack of B12 and that they would never go back to the diet agian!! I guess too bad for them. -Angie > >The only item that springs to mind to watch and watch it carefully is >Vitamin B12. Whilst some people obtain it from the food they eat and >even make it themselves, others do not. B12 is a sort of fungus which >is only needed in the smallest quantities. A bad deficiency can build >up in a child and cause serious nerve and brain damage. The answer is >to get a blood check about once a year to make sure and obviously get a >supplement if need be. After a few years you should get to know where >you and your children stand. > >Peter. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2004 Report Share Posted April 9, 2004 Yeah I agree, but I have always been a bit of a germ-a-phob , I'm trying to get over it. -Angie > >Angie, > >I think the musk on grapes has B12 and it settles on plants. Such makes >washing everything a sure fire way of missing out on this source. >Sometimes >I wonder what things are grown in but I tend not to bother washing most of >what I eat. I think that with a child there are more risks than for >adults. >I think people tend to worry too much about germs. Others are free to >disagree. > >Peter > > > > > > > > _______________ Persistent heartburn? Check out Digestive Health & Wellness for information and advice. http://gerd.msn.com/default.asp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 So much worry about B 12 deficiency! ...can you tell me where the elephant o cow obtain su B12? You know very well. B 12 deficiency is one of the tricks of medical science to scare the folk and fill their pockets...at least with frequent checking out of B 12 nivel,but nowbody knows how much do you need it.Brain damege and others " problems " can be quit well from another sources...but the scaring peaple will pay and the doctors leave tham not only with money deficiency but also with the B12 deficiency.But seriously:statistick show us,that the peaple eating meat have more deficiency of B 12 than rawfoodist. Jozef Peter Gardiner <petergardiner wrote: Angie, I think the musk on grapes has B12 and it settles on plants. Such makes washing everything a sure fire way of missing out on this source. Sometimes I wonder what things are grown in but I tend not to bother washing most of what I eat. I think that with a child there are more risks than for adults. I think people tend to worry too much about germs. Others are free to disagree. Peter Angie Sines [momofhebe] 09 April 2004 14:45 rawfood RE: [Raw Food] Intro (Angie) Peter, I read somewhere that you can get enough B12 if you don't wash your veggies before you wash them. ( Only if they're organic, or home-grown.) Is this true? Do have any other suggestions of how too keep enough B12 in a child? I don't want Hebe to get brain damage, I've grown quite found of her the way she is. The article I was reading the other day was about how bad the raw food diet is and how we NEED animal products, but I know that this isn't true. It was a very scary article and it made me want to eat some cheese or something!!! But yeah that's what it was about, B12 deficency. There was people that used to be on the raw food diet saying how really bad things happened to their children from the lack of B12 and that they would never go back to the diet agian!! I guess too bad for them. -Angie > >The only item that springs to mind to watch and watch it carefully is >Vitamin B12. Whilst some people obtain it from the food they eat and >even make it themselves, others do not. B12 is a sort of fungus which >is only needed in the smallest quantities. A bad deficiency can build >up in a child and cause serious nerve and brain damage. The answer is >to get a blood check about once a year to make sure and obviously get a >supplement if need be. After a few years you should get to know where >you and your children stand. > >Peter. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 --- Angie Sines <momofhebe wrote:, " I don't want Hebe to get brain damage, I've grown quite found of her the way she is. " Angie, Obviously raw food is good for the sense of humor, amongst other things. : ) You might consider giving her a B12 supplement just to ease your mind. Rufus Tax Center - File online by April 15th http://taxes./filing.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2004 Report Share Posted April 10, 2004 >>Obviously raw food is good for the sense of humor, >amongst other things. : ) > I agree! >You might consider giving her a B12 supplement just to >ease your mind. > >Rufus > I think I will, I do worry alot. thanX!! -Angie > > > Tax Center - File online by April 15th >http://taxes./filing.html _______________ Watch LIVE baseball games on your computer with MLB.TV, included with MSN Premium! http://join.msn.com/?page=features/mlb & pgmarket=en-us/go/onm00200439ave/direct/0\ 1/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Jozef I agree that most medical doctors give a lot of time to making money and that there is a lot of selling of potions and tests to just that end. Such has been going on for thousands of years. At the same time a mountain of science has risen. B12 deficiency happens on rare occasions. When it does it can be catastrophic for children and do irreversible damage in adults. Vegetarians are known for it. I happily pay a few shillings to the medics to get confirmation that my extremely limited diet supplies test points of about 100 markers that the medics think worth testing. As time goes passing all the tests I bother less frequently but diagnosis in the past has been useful both on a standard diet and in transition. And I have had a mild B12 deficiency. Elephants and cows get their B12 from eating unwashed vegetation. It settles on the grass and on the leaves. Peter So much worry about B 12 deficiency! ...can you tell me where the elephant o cow obtain su B12? You know very well. B 12 deficiency is one of the tricks of medical science to scare the folk and fill their pockets...at least with frequent checking out of B 12 nivel,but nowbody knows how much do you need it.Brain damege and others " problems " can be quit well from another sources...but the scaring peaple will pay and the doctors leave tham not only with money deficiency but also with the B12 deficiency.But seriously:statistick show us,that the peaple eating meat have more deficiency of B 12 than rawfoodist. Jozef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2004 Report Share Posted April 11, 2004 Jozef, Thanks for the information, very useful, I'll leave the worrying to the flesh-eaters. -Angie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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